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Journeyman Geek

GOOD MORNING! trips falls and spills coffee all over @forestdistrustsStackExchange

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:o

Journeyman Geek

(before you ask, its clearly a very big mug)

12:22 AM

@JourneymanGeek no its not :p

Journeyman Geek

@DialFrost Hoe do you know?

ARE YOU JUDGING MY MUG?

@JourneymanGeek GOOD MORNING! trips, falls and spills HCL all over @JourneymanGeek

@JourneymanGeek er

Journeyman Geek

ah, just like my wit.

also

/me had @DialFrost charged with animal abuse.

@JourneymanGeek whattt? why :/

what'd I do?

the forest animals? D:

12:27 AM

but all I did was spill a little HCL...

Journeyman Geek

/me also needs @DialFrost to fill up an environmental impact statement

@JourneymanGeek b...but...

Journeyman Geek

/me also needs a form 11284b annex C version 5

forest distrusts StackExchange

1:03 AM

Bureaucracy.

1:35 AM

@ShadowTheKidWizard Weight of 0 should mean new reasons that haven't yet obtained a weight, which is distinct from experimental reasons (which aren't posted here). Do you have a link to the message?

In theory new reasons would get posted here once they've obtained a weight, regardless of what that weight is, since IIRC the only criteria is "at least one non-experimental reason", so it's at least arguably not a bug.

hiya Ryan

okay, I lied, this room has more complex criteria: github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/blob/master/rooms.yml#L427

if I understand correctly, there are a few reasons denylisted and then beyond that anything that's not experimental-only and not deleted after a couple minutes gets posted. Not sure what "metatavern" is as a rule though.

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Journeyman Geek

2:47 AM

@forestdistrustsStackExchange Its a fate worse than death

an eternity of forms and paperwork. Damnation would be a relief

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5:26 AM

@SmokeDetector still up

@SmokeDetector still up

5:44 AM

stackoverflow.blog/2022/11/21/…

6:09 AM

flag-pls spam undisclosed affiliation sqa.stackexchange.com/a/50752

flag-pls spam on a spree fitness.stackexchange.com/a/45625

flag-pls spam plagiarized with spam link added webmasters.stackexchange.com/a/140926

also Insignia and Pxin Smokey reports above are still up

6:27 AM

@Feeds Nobox with a chance of… the state of onebox in 2022

6:49 AM

flag-pls spam travel.stackexchange.com/questions/177635/…

7:13 AM

Loads of spam flagged, nothing poofed though :(

Shadow The Kid Wizard

8:02 AM

@RyanM which message, with the weight of 0?

@tripleee flagged, still up

@tripleee kaboom

@tripleee already gone

@MetaAndrewT. nobox better that misleading box with wrong authors

@DialFrost I miss the morning trains

@ShadowTheKidWizard ur taking the train where?

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@DialFrost Tavern

Express train, 600-800mph

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Shadow The Kid Wizard

@tripleee kapoof

@DialFrost maybe @SPA can explain better than me about the morning trains, or even @rene.

(who actually use trains IRL many times ;))

8:18 AM

@RyanM that's my mistake

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@tripleee k, you beat smokey on this one

@ShadowTheKidWizard their crowded

sorry, I was impatient ... didn't notice the second reason wasn't experimental

@tripleee np :)

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Mithical you're forgiven. ;)

@Luuklag nah, they just end up crashing.

8:45 AM

@Tinkeringbell those were internet reports.

Had the opportunity to check firsthand during weekend.

didn't saw any mayor bug or crash.

@ShadowTheKidWizard SPA?

Performance is average most of the time, not as bad as some reported. Some bugs are clearly fabricated to. For example the "shuttering" walking animation someone reported in the first cave is clearly an effect of tapping the stealth button (that is not active yet but stops the walk animation anyway), while the "invisible walls" are nothing more that the game preventing you from running past the legendary...

other things are sadly true.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@DialFrost that's our local pony.

@Tinkeringbell the overworld texture quality is indeed quite pathetic compared to Breath of the Wild - a launch title. And don't even try comparing the game to Xenoblade...

@SPArcheon I've seen some bad rendering a few times, like footsteps not lining up with the stairs, shoes going through a roof, or the landscape texture being weird when a battle starts/finishes. Nothing really major either.

8:50 AM

Remember - the switch can run the Witcher 3 decently enough.

For now, I'm mostly peeved that I asked the nurse at the pokemon center where to go next, and she sent me to a gym that throws a lvl 28 pokemon at you, while I only have a badge for pokemon up to lvl 25 yet :/

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Witcher 3 has tons of display bugs.

So, I will have to do some cheating today and figure out if there's a walkthrough yet, and which gym to go to next.

@SPArcheon rumor says that it's due to a tight deadline...

(don't mind me, I only read from Tweeter timeline)

@Tinkeringbell that say, what REALLY annoys me is that the animations for distant object are "cutted" so that they use few frames.

As a result, if someone is walking a little away from you... the have horrible shuttering....

this happens even when docked

8:55 AM

Haven't really noticed that yet. I am annoyed at the gym tests... do you mind spoilers?

How far in are you?

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@MetaAndrewT. is Tweeter the next generation of Twitter? Is it better?

@Tinkeringbell should be really easy to do. Go to the first "city" before the school. Go to the pokemon center. If you look past the center in the direction of the school, some characters usually walk the road. Look at the leg animation of the distant ones.

You will notice it is not as fluid as it would normally be, because the game skips frames when an object is distant enough.

On some pokemon with no legs this is barely noticeable but on walking humans this is quite bad

I'll take a look tonight, if I find time to play :)

Things like that don't usually bother me too much though.

What does bother me is that asking the game 'where next' sends you from step 1 to step 5 to step 9, skipping everything level appropriate in between.

That's just really, really bad.

And I think the catchrate is ridiculously high. I never missed a single one...

Takes away all the 'suspense'

@Tinkeringbell has to be as brain dead as possible because they think the player base is just kids and also that kids are stupid and inferior to an adult.

They also removed the "set" battle mode (where you could not switch - so more strategy was required) and gave you auto battle (with exp share too... so send lev 100 gift pokemon from wonder gift on auto and have the lev 1 get the exp)

Terra Type... cool crystal effect...

9:10 AM

I liked the autobattle function for 'normal' usage though. Takes a way a tiny bit of the grind of levelling up, leaves a bit more room for exploring :)

Especially since the game sent me in the wrong direction, so I'm now way overleveled for step 2-7 of the game XD

I spend quite some time 'grinding' experience because I thought I had to.

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Yeah the terestal thing doesn't really appeal to me either. Looks cute but doesn't seem to do much besides give e.g. fire-type moves a bonus.

other than that... seems a nice way to make stab bonus even more overpowered.

@Tinkeringbell Is there any way to bring Shedinja in the game via Home?

Probably later, I don't think it has a connection to home yet, that was supposed to come in 2023.

(what I saw).

@ShadowTheKidWizard blame autocarrot...

9:17 AM

@Tinkeringbell Shedinja (Wonder Guard) => Terastallized to Electric -> Hold Air Balloon...

Will they realize what that means before it is too late?

XD I'm not usually that much into optimizing... though I do have a pretty good mew and shaymin in Diamond that I'd love to bring over to Violet :)

@Tinkeringbell that is not optimizing, that is giving the mon basically full invulnerability to anything but damage over time...

So, why's that bad? it's a game :P

I doubt the other NPCs will file complaints about you if you do that.

@Tinkeringbell other players online will ;P. Easy to counter, yep... but only if you foresee it.

On the plus side, if you stall it out you should win if the battle score is based on the total remaining HP since it only has one

I have no clue how the online play works, to be honest I don't really play that.

9:27 AM

That said, the thing about T poses during fade-to-black screen after a cutscene DOES happen, saw it firsthand.

@ShadowTheKidWizard ah

Not very common but still bad it made it to the released game

9:43 AM

@SPArcheon I must admit I haven't paid attention to that.

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since I saw this one posted a lot, I kept my eyes open to see if it would happen.

It does.

It is not an emulation bug, this happens on a regular switch.

Oh well. Looks like they're just really busy with morning gymnastics ;)

Shadow The Kid Wizard

10:09 AM

@SPArcheon the bad quality/resolution is because of the way the screenshot (?) was taken, or is this actually how the game looks like?

@ShadowTheKidWizard picture, and also it was during a fade-to-black thing so it is brighten up.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

hmm

Oh, it's "Back to Black", that's why it was familiar.

So there's some display bug?

The point is that as the screen fades to black after the cutscene you can see the characters in T-Pose for a second (if you know blender you know what T pose is, if not... it is the default pose of a model when not animated)

very unpolished.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@SPArcheon someone didn't want to spend money on QA in the company, no big deal.

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Shadow The Kid Wizard

10:13 AM

I wish my character in FF14 could dance so nicely though, it's headache to get new emotes or dance moves. @SPA

@ShadowTheKidWizard if you can't see it, try brightening your screen.

They started T posing | Pokémon Scarlet and Violet

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@SPArcheon I don't know what I'm looking for, so that won't help.

I see characters doing some sport.

hiya shadw

Shadow The Kid Wizard

ello ial rost

@ShadowTheKidWizard lmao

Shadow The Kid Wizard

10:15 AM

:D

@SPArcheon the movie itself shows nothing special. I must be missing something very basic, but meh... too much to read probably.

Though "T-pose" sounds like body position with hands up in the air in front of the body, which is what they are doing. So not sure about blender and defaults, it looks nice.

@ShadowTheKidWizard I said it before. If you look at the last frames as the screen fades to black, you will notice that for a split second the characters take the pose from my previous brighten-up screenshot.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@SPArcheon I don't have tools to show YouTube frame by frame.

Someone should use such tools, and record it.

(for a better chance for people like me to understand ;))

@ShadowTheKidWizard screen above. Already done, and also brighten up so you can see it better.

as for blender...

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You usually put the character in T Pose during work because it is easier

"A pose" is also very common.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@SPArcheon lots of errors. ;)

@Dial you know Blender?

@ShadowTheKidWizard uh ya?

Shadow The Kid Wizard

10:27 AM

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@Tinkeringbell more important spoiler if you don't want to waste time by the end of the game. It is not plot related, but some may yet be annoyed. If you want to know about this call me in the old room we once made (really, nothing plot related, but because of the game main gimmik you can waste time grinding exp for nothing...)

Eh, it's okay, you can just say it here?

Not going to hunt down a really old room for it :P

You played the entire game already, or read about this somewhere? If it's the latter you can also just share a link? :P

@Tinkeringbell to be fair that is an option right... let me find it.

As I said, is more of "don't waste your time" than "spoiling plot"

I don't care much about spoilers, I just looked up the entire list of things to do and in which order :P

@Tinkeringbell this should be it

reddit.com/r/PokemonScarletViolet/comments/z0qfao/…

I think it should be clear enough...

10:35 AM

Heh. That's a good tip :)

otherwise, it is even more spelled out HERE.

reddit.com/r/PokemonScarletViolet/comments/z0jt1p/comment/…

I will probably have forgotten it and enjoy grinding/training anyways, but whatever :)

there is a little difference but... constant switching is not probably worth it

I'll see what I end up doing. I'm nowhere near that part of the game yet. Some people have probably done nothing but gaming this weekend to get that far!

10:55 AM

@Tinkeringbell You severely underestimate the ability of some - probably even MOST - of the players to ruin their experience.

Skip dialogues, skip cutscenes, go as fast as they can, gotta be first completing the game and...

Now what?

Eh, playing a game as fast as possible is a goal for some, and I do enjoy watching speedruns from time to time :P

And in a sense it's nice that they do, because otherwise I still wouldn't know where to go next in the game ;)

@Tinkeringbell Yes but you speed run AFTER you completed the game, and usually you want to speedrun a platformer, and fps etc....Not a plot based jrpg...

anyway, on a sidenote, I am really enjoying the goat simulator 3...

Nord The Lofty Wizard

I think I played the first goat simulator. Was fun, but never finished it

@NordTheLoftyWizard didn't had an ending to be fair

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Nord The Lofty Wizard

I see, I guess that was mostly a sandbox?

11:00 AM

@NordTheLoftyWizard yep. New one has a sort of plot.

Nord The Lofty Wizard

Interesting. I guess I'll try the other one when I have time

@SPArcheon More than the pokemon game? :P

Then go play that, and let the other game be for what it s.

@Tinkeringbell goat simulator is something you play to just laugh, not really plot/lore based :P

so it is best to not play too much in a go.

Journeyman Geek

11:51 AM

@JNat BOGO for the backlog stackexchange.com/users/17153438/brijesh-kumar?tab=accounts stackexchange.com/users/26343663/…

12:14 PM

Hiya

In class again sigh

Any of yall watch silence of the lambs?

I've read the book, wasn't a fan.

Journeyman Geek

Well obviously, its a book, not a fan.

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Things are going back into balance :)

@DialFrost meta.stackexchange.com/questions/362493/…

generally? SE's heart shrunk 2 sizes and they went full grinch :D

(maybe a little unfair but it feels like an accurate way to describe the period of retrenchments and other unpleasant things going on ._.)

12:34 PM

@JourneymanGeek lmaooo

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2:36 PM

these two are still up, any new flaggers around? flag-pls spam cseducators.stackexchange.com/questions/7289/…; softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/16764/…

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4:14 PM

Squinting at a graph is fine for getting a rough idea of the answer, but if you want to pretend to know it exactly, you neeed statistics.

4:49 PM

@Feeds reminds me of some weird dev that once asked me to find the difference between two.... memory dumps.

Replied that they should just view the two pictures as a stereogram and watch which letters float above the page.

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6:38 PM

ok, let's get this party started... aahahah

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Shadow The Kid Wizard

hey why only JMG

waiting for own turn

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there ya go ahahah

Shadow The Kid Wizard

yay!

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yayyy 🎉

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