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starball

2:59 AM

I got my fanatic badge today! :DD

Meta Andrew T.

3:20 AM

@SergeStroobandt I think you have a higher chance on getting answer on Ask Ubuntu chat room

starball

5:01 AM

lol just ran into this with no context

Journeyman Geek

5:34 AM

@JNat stackexchange.com/users/23313744/zackwang?tab=accounts one more for the backlog

Feeds

5:50 AM

stackoverflow.blog/2022/11/09/…

Journeyman Geek

@Feeds Onebox, the sustainable alternative to nobox

Shadow The Kid Wizard

7:36 AM

...

For the 10000th time... so why isn't it posted here..... meh.

Probably some RNG in play. Smokey throws a dice, if 1-3, post here. If not, post only in charcoal.

Tinkeringbell

Isn't there a delay?

undefined

7:54 AM

Hey :) Is this the right place to get some help when I have technical difficulties with this website?

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Tinkeringbell should be 5 minutes, spam was 20 minutes old when I reported.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheKidWizard 5 minutes from when? Being posted, or being manually reported in Charcoal? ;-)

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Tinkeringbell oh, that's a good question. lol

But it wasn't posted here even 5 minutes after my own report, so 100% broken.

It was just lost in the void.

@undefined not really.

undefined

@ShadowTheKidWizard ohh I'm sorry. Do you might know where I might can get some help?

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Depends what you mean by "technical difficulties", if there is a bug on SE side, you can start a bug report on the site.

@undefined well, you can tell what's wrong, no harm in that, but there's a good chance we won't be able to help.

undefined

8:00 AM

@ShadowTheKidWizard I wanted to vote in the workplace moderator election but I cant cast my vote because it does not work. I can't drag the names in the list and also nothing happens when I click on them

it feels like they dont want all users being able to vote?

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@starball how did you find it?? :P

@undefined no

It's either a bug, or something on your side. Open the dev console (F12 probably) and look for client side errors.

undefined

@ShadowTheKidWizard maybe they made it only usable with new computers? Mine is not that new

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@undefined no.

I just voted, and voted from old computers too. Something on your side most likely blocking required JS.

What browser you have? What OS?

undefined

@ShadowTheKidWizard here is a screenshot with the errors I get: postimg.cc/ThjrHYj6

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@undefined looks like unsupported browser, yes. Your browser doesn't support required JS.

221

Q: Which browsers are officially supported, and what else do I need?

Which browsers are officially supported by Stack Exchange? Also, what else is needed in order to use every feature of the site? Return to FAQ index

undefined

8:09 AM

@ShadowTheKidWizard I'm at work and using my work computer. Its a client served from a Windows Server 2003 SP2 and I'm using the latest FireFox available for this OS. Its FireFox ESL 52.9.0

Shadow The Kid Wizard

See the above, and install a browser that is supported, then you should be able to vote. @unde

undefined

but in the past I was able to vote

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@undefined SE keeps upgrading the code over time, to make it more elegant and efficient.

undefined

@ShadowTheKidWizard I cant run an other browser on this OS

@ShadowTheKidWizard and to break backward compatibility?

thats not kind

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@undefined well you can still do the basic things like voting on posts, posting, etc. But yeah, the "bonus" features requires a supported browser.

undefined

8:14 AM

@ShadowTheKidWizard no voting on posts does not work

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@undefined you can try and browse the site on your phone, and vote for the elections from the phone.

undefined

@ShadowTheKidWizard hm yes, good idea. Haven't thought about that

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@undefined yeah, personally I find it less comfortable, fat fingers and all, but it should work. They greatly improved the responsive design over the last few years.

(i.e. the user experience should be the same on any device.)

undefined

they better should have improved backward compatibility. I dont understand why they dont care about that when they update/upgrade the code. But I guess thats an other, mostly irrelevant discussion.
thank you for your help :)

Shadow The Kid Wizard

BTW, you're not alone, ESR caused quite a lot of bugs, but your case now is different as it's old version of ESR.

Jan 31, 2018 at 22:22, by rene

Firefox ESR seems to be the common factor in those reports

@undefined you're welcome!

Think they tried to explain the reasoning here, so worth reading:

76

Q: We're Migrating our JavaScript

TL;DR: We’re making a substantial repayment on our JavaScript technical debt. Apologies in advance for any bugs as we work through it! An administrative note: Rather than posting bug reports as answers to this post, in this case we'd prefer you to post a separate question for each bug you find. ...

discussion javascript announcements

That broke many things in old browsers ^

@all plz-flag-or-vtd blatant NAA.

undefined

8:24 AM

@ShadowTheKidWizard that or the fact that they didn't include fallback options. I had a similar issue on the firefox/mozilla doc/help pages. Reached out to them, they apologized and implemented a backward compatibility / fallback option for older browsers

Journeyman Geek

@undefined SE's latest 3 versions of the main browsers or best effort

Shadow The Kid Wizard

waffles

Journeyman Geek

as far as support goes

undefined

@JourneymanGeek ya thats not kind

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek yeah, that's what I told. But they got a point, there are sites that support even old browsers.

Journeyman Geek

8:27 AM

@ShadowTheKidWizard I feel like that's feedback in the sense of 'this is something I use in the mobile app that isn't well supported'

Shadow The Kid Wizard

IMO, the basic things like posting and voting on posts should be kept working even in old browsers. All the rest, I'm fine with having it working only in supported browsers.

Journeyman Geek

@undefined Its always been like that and well - there's gotta be a cut off somewhere

@ShadowTheKidWizard I used to have a netscape on OS/2 install...

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek and?

You could post on SE on that? ;)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard no way in hell it'll work :D

there's a reasonable level of support

undefined

@JourneymanGeek no there should not. The web should be accessible and usable even with older browsers. but I feels like this discussing is going nowhere. We just see things in a different way. And thats fine

Journeyman Geek

8:30 AM

@undefined if you ask nicely and document the issue properly SE might fix it. SE might fix stuff on a slightly older browser

but there's a lot of tech debt if you're insisting that web sites work on every older browser

and to an extent 2003 is... very EOL too?

undefined

@JourneymanGeek 'every' is a far stretch. but the 52.9. version is the latest version for many older Windows Versions. So in my opinion its an important version to support at least in a kinda working way

Journeyman Geek

@undefined windows versions that are also unsupported

by MS

from wiki - it looks like support for windows 2003 R2 ended more than 10 years ago

2017 if you're looking at extended support

undefined

yes, of course. Some people cant run newer Windows on their machines and/or they must use what they are given at work and so on.

Journeyman Geek

there might be people running windows 98 still too

Tinkeringbell

Well you can still browse the site while at work. You have no business voting in elections while at work, that's something you can do in your private time on your private machine.

undefined

8:37 AM

personally I just feel its very important to keep the web as accessible as possible and that include older browsers too

Tinkeringbell

Safety is a thing too. I wouldn't want to be doing online purchases on an older non supported browser and non-supported OS.

undefined

@Tinkeringbell no I only do SE and IRC at work

But I dont want to start a big discussion. I think its totally fine to have different point of views

Tinkeringbell

If you don't want a discussion, you probably shouldn't start by sharing your own points of view in a chatroom. It's not like these are places where you can dump your thoughts then tell everyone else not to interact with them because you don't want to discuss.

undefined

@Tinkeringbell all I meant was that I dont want to cause any trouble. Not to 'forbid' a discussion

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek I have Windows 95 at work.

Journeyman Geek

8:44 AM

@ShadowTheKidWizard its punishment for poor performance?

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek yuup.

Instead of slapping with a stick, bad employee gets to work with it for a week.

:-D

undefined

I love to work with the Server 2003

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@undefined so you are here now browsing with the old browser?

This means it does support some features of SE.

Also, did you vote from your phone?

undefined

@ShadowTheKidWizard yes, some features are still supported. I think all the things they haven't changed yet

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@undefined haha good point, chat wasn't changed in like 1000 years. ;)

undefined

8:46 AM

if they touch it they break it for older browsers ^^

Journeyman Geek

chat's kinda neglected

undefined

I like that

starball

@ShadowTheKidWizard I have a SEDE query to find "thanks I edited" reply-to-feedback comments. Right now I'm going through the highest scored posts which have such comments and flagging the feedback comments as NLN. Since the reply comments qualify for auto-delete, I don't flag those until I see the feedback comment has been deleted (to keep that context for others who help flag the feedback comment first)

Shadow The Kid Wizard

But we have coffee!

!!/coffee undefined

SmokeDetector

@ShadowTheKidWizard brews a cup of jQuery for @undefined

Journeyman Geek

8:47 AM

its on my list of things to bug people about if there's an opportunity

undefined

@ShadowTheKidWizard haha thanks

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@starball ohh. lol, so you get to find some unexpected things. :D

Journeyman Geek

@starball uhh, I generally discourage tool assisted flagging

undefined

@ShadowTheKidWizard yes I did, it worked flawlessly

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@undefined how you handle the ping sounds? Don't they make your coworkers stare in horror? ;)

undefined

8:48 AM

@ShadowTheKidWizard oh there is a sound? I dont have sound attached to my client

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@undefined yay!

@undefined rofl! Yeah there is a sound, very loud and very strange.

starball

@JourneymanGeek oh. what's the rationale?

Journeyman Geek

@starball to some extent - I'd much rather people flag stuff they come across. Some people go too far and basically fill up the queues, and there's a risk we may miss more important things

undefined

@ShadowTheKidWizard I would only hear this mainboard speaker beep. thats the only sound my client can do

Journeyman Geek

if its autodeleted comments - eh, I guess but generally other comments need clean up too

Shadow The Kid Wizard

8:49 AM

Sep 16 at 12:55, by Spevacus

Oh my gosh. I had the volume on my laptop at maximum. It's early, I've barely turned the lights on, I'm sipping my coffee... That ping almost gave me a heart attack.

starball

so it's to prevent flooding those with mod tools with work?

undefined

@ShadowTheKidWizard I really have never heard that sound. I should try at home

Journeyman Geek

@starball and risking missing more 'important' stuff

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@undefined as you see above, it can even be dangerous! :D

@undefined sure, when you're at home come here and ask for some pings.

Or you can actually use Smokey to get ping, just run a command.

starball

@JourneymanGeek like R/A and unfriendly/unkind? I also saw some meta posts about plagiarism flags.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

8:51 AM

!!/alive

SmokeDetector

@ShadowTheKidWizard Watching this endless list of new questions never gets boring

undefined

@ShadowTheKidWizard thats kind, thanks. I'll be at home in like 8 hours, tho

Journeyman Geek

@starball hmm If you organically come across them, yes

Plagiarism flags will be hard to automate

starball

I meant "what's the 'important' stuff?"

Journeyman Geek

@starball so.. there was this guy who was basically flagging profanity in flags (cool) ... 20 at a time. And included spelling mistakes

the flagging generally was fine

@starball R/A and such, and 'wierd' things that needs eyes

starball

8:54 AM

I see. Thanks for giving me that perspective. Are there any meta posts where other people with mod privileges give their thoughts on this subject?

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@starball I'd say voting rings and weird voting patterns, sometimes ordinary user can spot something off and report by a flag.

starball

Are flags visible to people with mod tool privileges? Or only to diamond moderators?

Do the mods get something like a flag review queue UI where they can filter flag types? If so, couldn't they just filter out my NLN flags to focus on those more important things?

Journeyman Geek

@starball only diamond mods

@starball Well vaguely but we do want to clear all if possible

starball

ok thanks

@JourneymanGeek I'm interested hear what you'd think on this: What if there were just enough users doing coordinated tool-assisted flagging that the flags don't have to bother the mods? I anticipate you'd be wary of whether those users are doing the right thing, but what if they were users you know and trust to generally do the right thing?

Journeyman Geek

9:14 AM

@starball it adds up

:D

starball

can you elaborate? I don't understand what you mean.

elaborate/re-phrase

Journeyman Geek

@starball unless you're trickling flags over say 2-3 a day with one user it'll add up

smokey is different since most of the time its 'obviously' bad stuff and we never see it

starball

right- but what if there were three users correctly flagging the exact same non-auto-delete comments? In that case, unless the comments have upvotes, they'd never go into the diamond mod queues, right?

to be clear, I mean three separate people- no sock puppets

Journeyman Geek

@starball the correctness is an important thing

starball

of course!

Journeyman Geek

9:18 AM

and whether its critical

starball

do you mean "whether it's critical that that comment gets removed"?

Journeyman Geek

stuff that's rude/offensive I guess

starball

ok. That's a good point. I'll probably spend some more time in the near future experimenting with ways to search for those kinds of comments / reading up on some prior art.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

9:39 AM

Time to fix the report, need to add pages in the PDF version when there are many items. Wish my luck!

Journeyman Geek

the other thing is - flagging is a 'side' activity to the usual work of Q&A - if you're doing a SEDE query things to flag, you're taking it too seriously ._.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek I disagree. Choosing to spend your time on flagging instead of posting is fine, assuming the flags are valid of course. It's important to keep the site clean, and many people avoid the "headache" involved in flagging.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard I didn't say 'don't' . I said 'don't take it as the main thing to do on a site'

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek but why not? What's the harm in taking it as the main thing to do?

Some people find it easier or more intriguing to flag, instead of answer or ask questions.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard in a practical sense - you're not using the site or practically contributing. You're treating it as basically one of those clicker games

Shadow The Kid Wizard

9:51 AM

@JourneymanGeek again, I disagree. People who take flagging seriously don't see this as a game, and it's as helpful to the site, overall, as posting and reviewing.

I'm not one of those, but I do have respect for those who are and can see their point of view.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard you also have never seen the extremes of what people do

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek of course, but I'm talking about the non-extreme cases, like what @starball describes doing.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard using a SEDE query to find stuff to flag counts as an extreme case to me

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek I see. Well, so you can decline such flags on the sites you moderate, sure, but I believe other mods/sites will accept such flags and handle them.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard and others might not.

and I've had someone who would basically clear his flag quota every single day

on what was obviously tool assisted flagging

and its annoying

So the best advice I can give is 'don't'

Shadow The Kid Wizard

10:00 AM

@JourneymanGeek pity, but it's fine to disagree, and I do believe flagging is important to keep sites clean. By discouraging people from flagging, you keep crap/trash live on the site, in the long run.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard flag all the fresh and organic trash you want

Shadow The Kid Wizard

If you don't think users should use all their flags every day, better start a feature request. ;)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard they should be able if needed

I'm saying "using SEDE queries to find stuff to flag is something I'd discourage"

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek why should we care how people find what to flag? Some might use Google, some might just browse tons of posts/comments looking for bad stuff. End result is they flag bad things.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard or middling things

Tinkeringbell

10:05 AM

@ShadowTheKidWizard End result is a bit more than that, often ;)

Things don't stop with the flag.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek depends what they flag, of course.

@Tinkeringbell meaning?

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheKidWizard A thing being flagged isn't 'an end result'. The flag being (in)correctly handled is.

So e.g. someone flags comments that can be auto-deleted, but it leaves a broken comment thread: That's an unwanted end result, the flag is incorrectly handled in that case.

Someone only flags one comment without looking at the rest? A mod needs to step in to judge all the comments. The flag is not the 'end' result.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Well maybe better take all of this into some new meta discussion? Couldn't find something decent.

Tinkeringbell

Meh. Usually, it suffices to tell someone doing that 'you're being annoying and with the amount of flags you're raising, we're missing out on handling more important stuff, cut it out'.

Or tell them to at least flag everything in a comment thread, not just the auto-deletable/detectable stuff.

martin clayton

Hello everyone - I have a social network related question - is it safe to ask it here?

Tinkeringbell

10:13 AM

The internet is never safe.

martin clayton

@Tinkeringbell perfect! Incoming question ...

Tinkeringbell

But if you mean 'is it okay/topical to ask it here' well, realize the users here aren't likely to be subject matter experts that can answer your question, but (some exceptions aside, probably) it won't get you banned.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Depends what social network...... :D

martin clayton

Like one or two people I'm dabbling in Mastodon, and it has a feature that lets you embed a link in external sites that you link to from your profile to "verify" that you own those externals.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

I never heard about "Mastodon" until yesterday, what's the big fuss over it?

martin clayton

10:17 AM

I've linked to my SO profile, and I wondered if there was a way to get the link into my SO profile so Mastodon will be able to verify - I think it's not possible.

@ShadowTheKidWizard I think there's a lot of birds flying south for the winter

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@martinclayton my bird has died, I'm deleting my Twitter profile soon.

But I'm not going to try alternatives.

martin clayton

@ShadowTheKidWizard As am I, and Mastodon seems to be a common first port (perch?) of call

Shadow The Kid Wizard

I do wish any alternative the best of luck though. Twitter should be shut down and buried deep in the pages of history.

Tinkeringbell

I need to see if there's any crochet pictures on there that I didn't post on Ravelry yet.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

0

Q: Add a Mastodon link in addition to Twitter?

Twitter isn't going anywhere any time soon, but there has been quite an exodus and Mastodon is quickly growing as a popular alternative. This may be a bit early (Mastodon could still prove to be a flash in the pan), but I wanted to bring it up for consideration. A little healthy competition would...

feature-request social-networking

@martin ^

martin clayton

10:20 AM

For Mastodon to be able to verify a link it needs to see rel="me" on the a tag

@ShadowTheKidWizard Yeah, that's links from SO to Masto, I'm interested in the reverse

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@martinclayton so you need to ask this on their forums/meta.

@martinclayton verify as in adding a blue "V"? Just pay $8 monthly and you're all good. ;)

Actually that's the only decision Musk made that I'm happy with.

This will boost spam and trash on Twitter in such a scale, that people wouldn't be able to ignore it.

Hopefully, leading to its early demise.

Tinkeringbell

News this morning was that the blue one would be payed for, but there would be a grey one for verification ;)

Shadow The Kid Wizard

rofl

So silly.

Tinkeringbell

Yeah, could've just introduced the gray one as payed for :P

martin clayton

@ShadowTheKidWizard I could ask on Mastodon, but it will need SO expertise on here I suspect. The question is: Can I embed functioning link like <a rel="me" href="https://mastodon.world/@foximax">Mastodon</a> in my SE profile?

Shadow The Kid Wizard

10:24 AM

And gold one, for which you pay $1000 every month, for no gain whatsoever.

Tinkeringbell

And you know... present the full plan instead of make everyone panic with 'blue ticks will lose their value and nothing will replace them'

martin clayton

Forgive the self-promo...

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@martinclayton nope.

This requires change in the codebase, and based on the staff answer on the question I linked above, this won't happen.

@martinclayton no worry, not going to harass you on Mastodon. Only here. :D

martin clayton

@ShadowTheKidWizard Thanks - I suspected as much, pretty sure if you could embed such links it would be open to abuse.

... Now over to Mastodon to see if I can embed SO flair ...

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@martinclayton well that's just an image so can't see why not.

But you can embed flair of every user, no way to verify it's really yours.

embedding Jon Skeet flair :D

Journeyman Geek

10:34 AM

@martinclayton I think this was talked about on another thread

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Spammer's avatar is cut off, how to tell them?

Journeyman Geek

I think 'no' and the profiles only support the same commonmark + extensions everywhere else does

@ShadowTheKidWizard where?

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek here.

waiting for munch sounds

Journeyman Geek

ah

their ava is no longer cut off

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek awesome! You're a very kind man. :D

Journeyman Geek

10:38 AM

"I've fixed the crack in your wall with a discriminate application of high explosive. Technically there's no crack any more"

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek exactly ;)

Feeds

'Barack Obama is much less likely than the average cat to jump in and out of cardboard boxes for fun' is low precision, but I'm not sure about the accuracy.

martin clayton

@JourneymanGeek I will search.

Journeyman Geek

@martinclayton you're not going to have much luck

moment

0

Q: Add a Mastodon link in addition to Twitter?

Twitter isn't going anywhere any time soon, but there has been quite an exodus and Mastodon is quickly growing as a popular alternative. This may be a bit early (Mastodon could still prove to be a flash in the pan), but I wanted to bring it up for consideration. A little healthy competition would...

feature-request social-networking

see the history of this

+

martin clayton

@JourneymanGeek Thanks!

Shadow The Kid Wizard

10:54 AM

@JourneymanGeek why did you delete his comments?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard cause the post was edited and it no longer made sense

SPArcheon

11:55 AM

@Tinkeringbell planning to buy Scarlet / Violet?

Tinkeringbell

Already preordered violet :)

Yesterday XD

SPArcheon

@Tinkeringbell Remind me to ask you what you think about the clothing / character customization if the rumors are true.

I will love to hear your opinion about the "now females will have to wear pants only" idiocy...

Tinkeringbell

12:13 PM

Heh. You may ask but it's unlikely I will use the clothing feature much. I didn't in Arceus, only used it once or twice to make something that looked less uniformed. I think I'm wearing a hoodie and some pants, with sneakers, that's good enough for me :P

SPArcheon

12:53 PM

@Tinkeringbell to be fair Arceus default clothes are decent enough, if you remove the hat.

Tinkeringbell

Yeah, just not really 'my style' ;)

SPArcheon

Sword defaults... aren't that great. And the "bowtie school uniform" from Scarlet/Violet trailers are "bleargh" imho.

Tinkeringbell

I have a copy of sword/shield, I just went with the default.

I didn't play that one all that much though, not sure why. I think I was just busy and then picked up playing Arceus.

SPArcheon

yep, but default Gloria looks like this (assuming you choose the female trainer)

Scarlet Violet looks like this...

so now by default you are stuck looking as one of the school type NPC trainer from the previous games :P

Tinkeringbell

1:10 PM

;) I'm not that concious about looks. It's just a puppet I'm controlling, it isn't me :P

If I can make that puppet more aesthetically pleasing, fine. If not, fine too ;)

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@SPArcheon is this "find the differences" game?

My kids love it. :D

Tinkeringbell

My dentist has ceiling tiles with that game. It says there are 10, I swear each room only has 9.

SPArcheon

@Tinkeringbell something something giasfclfebrehber

tripleee

1:38 PM

flag-pls spam sports.stackexchange.com/questions/28469/…

curious

2:22 PM

@SPArcheon o/ Have you attempted training models with SD? I've been watching some videos and I would really enjoy having a lot of free time to mess with that stuff :)

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Smoke Detector has training models?!

sdc training

:(

Journeyman Geek

@curious stable diffusion ?

curious

@JourneymanGeek yup!

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard Stable Diffusion

that AI art thing

I walked a total of 28km today

curious

Stable Diffusion can even brew imaginary beverages :P

Journeyman Geek

2:25 PM

was fine when I was walking, but now its random owwies ._.

curious

I bet!

Journeyman Geek

Oh I've been doing this route once a week

curious

I played some Beat Saber after months of not using it and I couldn't even point at stuff without cringing yesterday

@JourneymanGeek and you don't usually get sore?

Journeyman Geek

but I've been occationally venturing further down the route, and route goes from rubberised path to gravel to... what looks like compacted construction debris

@curious not this bad

and I did maybe 30-40 min extra?

quite funny tho, there was a bunch of school girls. One group was HELLO! so I HELLOed back. Another group was like "We're supposed to be bonding, we need to bond more than the rest of them" ._. and dogs. And monkeys. and a baby squirrel :D

SPArcheon

@curious not at all

that is a model someone made.

curious

2:31 PM

@JourneymanGeek monkeys! That's something we don't see here :)

We have uhm.... exotic.. frosted grass this morning

Journeyman Geek

@curious part of the path goes through a nature reserve and those are native here

curious

@JourneymanGeek Are they used to humans?

Journeyman Geek