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I got my fanatic badge today! :DD
03:20
@SergeStroobandt I think you have a higher chance on getting answer on Ask Ubuntu chat room
 
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05:01
lol just ran into this with no context
@Feeds Onebox, the sustainable alternative to nobox
 
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07:36
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For the 10000th time... so why isn't it posted here..... meh.
Probably some RNG in play. Smokey throws a dice, if 1-3, post here. If not, post only in charcoal.
Isn't there a delay?
07:54
Hey :) Is this the right place to get some help when I have technical difficulties with this website?
@Tinkeringbell should be 5 minutes, spam was 20 minutes old when I reported.
@ShadowTheKidWizard 5 minutes from when? Being posted, or being manually reported in Charcoal? ;-)
@Tinkeringbell oh, that's a good question. lol
But it wasn't posted here even 5 minutes after my own report, so 100% broken.
It was just lost in the void.
@undefined not really.
@ShadowTheKidWizard ohh I'm sorry. Do you might know where I might can get some help?
Depends what you mean by "technical difficulties", if there is a bug on SE side, you can start a bug report on the site.
@undefined well, you can tell what's wrong, no harm in that, but there's a good chance we won't be able to help.
08:00
@ShadowTheKidWizard I wanted to vote in the workplace moderator election but I cant cast my vote because it does not work. I can't drag the names in the list and also nothing happens when I click on them
it feels like they dont want all users being able to vote?
@starball how did you find it?? :P
@undefined no
It's either a bug, or something on your side. Open the dev console (F12 probably) and look for client side errors.
@ShadowTheKidWizard maybe they made it only usable with new computers? Mine is not that new
@undefined no.
I just voted, and voted from old computers too. Something on your side most likely blocking required JS.
What browser you have? What OS?
@ShadowTheKidWizard here is a screenshot with the errors I get: postimg.cc/ThjrHYj6
@undefined looks like unsupported browser, yes. Your browser doesn't support required JS.
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Q: Which browsers are officially supported, and what else do I need?

EarlzWhich browsers are officially supported by Stack Exchange? Also, what else is needed in order to use every feature of the site? Return to FAQ index

08:09
@ShadowTheKidWizard I'm at work and using my work computer. Its a client served from a Windows Server 2003 SP2 and I'm using the latest FireFox available for this OS. Its FireFox ESL 52.9.0
See the above, and install a browser that is supported, then you should be able to vote. @unde
but in the past I was able to vote
@undefined SE keeps upgrading the code over time, to make it more elegant and efficient.
@ShadowTheKidWizard I cant run an other browser on this OS
@ShadowTheKidWizard and to break backward compatibility?
thats not kind
@undefined well you can still do the basic things like voting on posts, posting, etc. But yeah, the "bonus" features requires a supported browser.
08:14
@ShadowTheKidWizard no voting on posts does not work
@undefined you can try and browse the site on your phone, and vote for the elections from the phone.
@ShadowTheKidWizard hm yes, good idea. Haven't thought about that
@undefined yeah, personally I find it less comfortable, fat fingers and all, but it should work. They greatly improved the responsive design over the last few years.
(i.e. the user experience should be the same on any device.)
they better should have improved backward compatibility. I dont understand why they dont care about that when they update/upgrade the code. But I guess thats an other, mostly irrelevant discussion.
thank you for your help :)
BTW, you're not alone, ESR caused quite a lot of bugs, but your case now is different as it's old version of ESR.
Jan 31, 2018 at 22:22, by rene
Firefox ESR seems to be the common factor in those reports
@undefined you're welcome!
Think they tried to explain the reasoning here, so worth reading:
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Q: We're Migrating our JavaScript

Benjamin HodgsonTL;DR: We’re making a substantial repayment on our JavaScript technical debt. Apologies in advance for any bugs as we work through it! An administrative note: Rather than posting bug reports as answers to this post, in this case we'd prefer you to post a separate question for each bug you find. ...

That broke many things in old browsers ^
08:24
@ShadowTheKidWizard that or the fact that they didn't include fallback options. I had a similar issue on the firefox/mozilla doc/help pages. Reached out to them, they apologized and implemented a backward compatibility / fallback option for older browsers
@undefined SE's latest 3 versions of the main browsers or best effort
as far as support goes
@JourneymanGeek ya thats not kind
@JourneymanGeek yeah, that's what I told. But they got a point, there are sites that support even old browsers.
08:27
@ShadowTheKidWizard I feel like that's feedback in the sense of 'this is something I use in the mobile app that isn't well supported'
IMO, the basic things like posting and voting on posts should be kept working even in old browsers. All the rest, I'm fine with having it working only in supported browsers.
@undefined Its always been like that and well - there's gotta be a cut off somewhere
@ShadowTheKidWizard I used to have a netscape on OS/2 install...
@JourneymanGeek and?
You could post on SE on that? ;)
@ShadowTheKidWizard no way in hell it'll work :D
there's a reasonable level of support
@JourneymanGeek no there should not. The web should be accessible and usable even with older browsers. but I feels like this discussing is going nowhere. We just see things in a different way. And thats fine
08:30
@undefined if you ask nicely and document the issue properly SE might fix it. SE might fix stuff on a slightly older browser
but there's a lot of tech debt if you're insisting that web sites work on every older browser
and to an extent 2003 is... very EOL too?
@JourneymanGeek 'every' is a far stretch. but the 52.9. version is the latest version for many older Windows Versions. So in my opinion its an important version to support at least in a kinda working way
@undefined windows versions that are also unsupported
by MS
from wiki - it looks like support for windows 2003 R2 ended more than 10 years ago
2017 if you're looking at extended support
yes, of course. Some people cant run newer Windows on their machines and/or they must use what they are given at work and so on.
there might be people running windows 98 still too
Well you can still browse the site while at work. You have no business voting in elections while at work, that's something you can do in your private time on your private machine.
08:37
personally I just feel its very important to keep the web as accessible as possible and that include older browsers too
Safety is a thing too. I wouldn't want to be doing online purchases on an older non supported browser and non-supported OS.
@Tinkeringbell no I only do SE and IRC at work
But I dont want to start a big discussion. I think its totally fine to have different point of views
If you don't want a discussion, you probably shouldn't start by sharing your own points of view in a chatroom. It's not like these are places where you can dump your thoughts then tell everyone else not to interact with them because you don't want to discuss.
@Tinkeringbell all I meant was that I dont want to cause any trouble. Not to 'forbid' a discussion
@JourneymanGeek I have Windows 95 at work.
08:44
@ShadowTheKidWizard its punishment for poor performance?
@JourneymanGeek yuup.
Instead of slapping with a stick, bad employee gets to work with it for a week.
:-D
I love to work with the Server 2003
@undefined so you are here now browsing with the old browser?
This means it does support some features of SE.
Also, did you vote from your phone?
@ShadowTheKidWizard yes, some features are still supported. I think all the things they haven't changed yet
@undefined haha good point, chat wasn't changed in like 1000 years. ;)
08:46
if they touch it they break it for older browsers ^^
chat's kinda neglected
I like that
@ShadowTheKidWizard I have a SEDE query to find "thanks I edited" reply-to-feedback comments. Right now I'm going through the highest scored posts which have such comments and flagging the feedback comments as NLN. Since the reply comments qualify for auto-delete, I don't flag those until I see the feedback comment has been deleted (to keep that context for others who help flag the feedback comment first)
But we have coffee!
!!/coffee undefined
@ShadowTheKidWizard brews a cup of jQuery for @undefined
08:47
its on my list of things to bug people about if there's an opportunity
@ShadowTheKidWizard haha thanks
@starball ohh. lol, so you get to find some unexpected things. :D
@starball uhh, I generally discourage tool assisted flagging
@ShadowTheKidWizard yes I did, it worked flawlessly
@undefined how you handle the ping sounds? Don't they make your coworkers stare in horror? ;)
08:48
@ShadowTheKidWizard oh there is a sound? I dont have sound attached to my client
@undefined yay!
@undefined rofl! Yeah there is a sound, very loud and very strange.
@JourneymanGeek oh. what's the rationale?
@starball to some extent - I'd much rather people flag stuff they come across. Some people go too far and basically fill up the queues, and there's a risk we may miss more important things
@ShadowTheKidWizard I would only hear this mainboard speaker beep. thats the only sound my client can do
if its autodeleted comments - eh, I guess but generally other comments need clean up too
08:49
Sep 16 at 12:55, by Spevacus
Oh my gosh. I had the volume on my laptop at maximum. It's early, I've barely turned the lights on, I'm sipping my coffee... That ping almost gave me a heart attack.
so it's to prevent flooding those with mod tools with work?
@ShadowTheKidWizard I really have never heard that sound. I should try at home
@starball and risking missing more 'important' stuff
@undefined as you see above, it can even be dangerous! :D
@undefined sure, when you're at home come here and ask for some pings.
Or you can actually use Smokey to get ping, just run a command.
@JourneymanGeek like R/A and unfriendly/unkind? I also saw some meta posts about plagiarism flags.
08:51
!!/alive
@ShadowTheKidWizard Watching this endless list of new questions never gets boring
@ShadowTheKidWizard thats kind, thanks. I'll be at home in like 8 hours, tho
@starball hmm If you organically come across them, yes
Plagiarism flags will be hard to automate
I meant "what's the 'important' stuff?"
@starball so.. there was this guy who was basically flagging profanity in flags (cool) ... 20 at a time. And included spelling mistakes
the flagging generally was fine
@starball R/A and such, and 'wierd' things that needs eyes
08:54
I see. Thanks for giving me that perspective. Are there any meta posts where other people with mod privileges give their thoughts on this subject?
@starball I'd say voting rings and weird voting patterns, sometimes ordinary user can spot something off and report by a flag.
Are flags visible to people with mod tool privileges? Or only to diamond moderators?
Do the mods get something like a flag review queue UI where they can filter flag types? If so, couldn't they just filter out my NLN flags to focus on those more important things?
@starball only diamond mods
@starball Well vaguely but we do want to clear all if possible
ok thanks
@JourneymanGeek I'm interested hear what you'd think on this: What if there were just enough users doing coordinated tool-assisted flagging that the flags don't have to bother the mods? I anticipate you'd be wary of whether those users are doing the right thing, but what if they were users you know and trust to generally do the right thing?
09:14
@starball it adds up
:D
can you elaborate? I don't understand what you mean.
elaborate/re-phrase
@starball unless you're trickling flags over say 2-3 a day with one user it'll add up
smokey is different since most of the time its 'obviously' bad stuff and we never see it
right- but what if there were three users correctly flagging the exact same non-auto-delete comments? In that case, unless the comments have upvotes, they'd never go into the diamond mod queues, right?
to be clear, I mean three separate people- no sock puppets
@starball the correctness is an important thing
of course!
09:18
and whether its critical
do you mean "whether it's critical that that comment gets removed"?
stuff that's rude/offensive I guess
ok. That's a good point. I'll probably spend some more time in the near future experimenting with ways to search for those kinds of comments / reading up on some prior art.
09:39
Time to fix the report, need to add pages in the PDF version when there are many items. Wish my luck!
the other thing is - flagging is a 'side' activity to the usual work of Q&A - if you're doing a SEDE query things to flag, you're taking it too seriously ._.
@JourneymanGeek I disagree. Choosing to spend your time on flagging instead of posting is fine, assuming the flags are valid of course. It's important to keep the site clean, and many people avoid the "headache" involved in flagging.
@ShadowTheKidWizard I didn't say 'don't' . I said 'don't take it as the main thing to do on a site'
@JourneymanGeek but why not? What's the harm in taking it as the main thing to do?
Some people find it easier or more intriguing to flag, instead of answer or ask questions.
@ShadowTheKidWizard in a practical sense - you're not using the site or practically contributing. You're treating it as basically one of those clicker games
09:51
@JourneymanGeek again, I disagree. People who take flagging seriously don't see this as a game, and it's as helpful to the site, overall, as posting and reviewing.
I'm not one of those, but I do have respect for those who are and can see their point of view.
@ShadowTheKidWizard you also have never seen the extremes of what people do
@JourneymanGeek of course, but I'm talking about the non-extreme cases, like what @starball describes doing.
@ShadowTheKidWizard using a SEDE query to find stuff to flag counts as an extreme case to me
@JourneymanGeek I see. Well, so you can decline such flags on the sites you moderate, sure, but I believe other mods/sites will accept such flags and handle them.
@ShadowTheKidWizard and others might not.
and I've had someone who would basically clear his flag quota every single day
on what was obviously tool assisted flagging
and its annoying
So the best advice I can give is 'don't'
10:00
@JourneymanGeek pity, but it's fine to disagree, and I do believe flagging is important to keep sites clean. By discouraging people from flagging, you keep crap/trash live on the site, in the long run.
@ShadowTheKidWizard flag all the fresh and organic trash you want
If you don't think users should use all their flags every day, better start a feature request. ;)
@ShadowTheKidWizard they should be able if needed
I'm saying "using SEDE queries to find stuff to flag is something I'd discourage"
@JourneymanGeek why should we care how people find what to flag? Some might use Google, some might just browse tons of posts/comments looking for bad stuff. End result is they flag bad things.
@ShadowTheKidWizard or middling things
10:05
@ShadowTheKidWizard End result is a bit more than that, often ;)
Things don't stop with the flag.
@JourneymanGeek depends what they flag, of course.
@Tinkeringbell meaning?
@ShadowTheKidWizard A thing being flagged isn't 'an end result'. The flag being (in)correctly handled is.
So e.g. someone flags comments that can be auto-deleted, but it leaves a broken comment thread: That's an unwanted end result, the flag is incorrectly handled in that case.
Someone only flags one comment without looking at the rest? A mod needs to step in to judge all the comments. The flag is not the 'end' result.
Well maybe better take all of this into some new meta discussion? Couldn't find something decent.
Meh. Usually, it suffices to tell someone doing that 'you're being annoying and with the amount of flags you're raising, we're missing out on handling more important stuff, cut it out'.
Or tell them to at least flag everything in a comment thread, not just the auto-deletable/detectable stuff.
Hello everyone - I have a social network related question - is it safe to ask it here?
10:13
The internet is never safe.
@Tinkeringbell perfect! Incoming question ...
But if you mean 'is it okay/topical to ask it here' well, realize the users here aren't likely to be subject matter experts that can answer your question, but (some exceptions aside, probably) it won't get you banned.
Depends what social network...... :D
Like one or two people I'm dabbling in Mastodon, and it has a feature that lets you embed a link in external sites that you link to from your profile to "verify" that you own those externals.
I never heard about "Mastodon" until yesterday, what's the big fuss over it?
10:17
I've linked to my SO profile, and I wondered if there was a way to get the link into my SO profile so Mastodon will be able to verify - I think it's not possible.
@ShadowTheKidWizard I think there's a lot of birds flying south for the winter
@martinclayton my bird has died, I'm deleting my Twitter profile soon.
But I'm not going to try alternatives.
@ShadowTheKidWizard As am I, and Mastodon seems to be a common first port (perch?) of call
I do wish any alternative the best of luck though. Twitter should be shut down and buried deep in the pages of history.
I need to see if there's any crochet pictures on there that I didn't post on Ravelry yet.
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Q: Add a Mastodon link in addition to Twitter?

JDBTwitter isn't going anywhere any time soon, but there has been quite an exodus and Mastodon is quickly growing as a popular alternative. This may be a bit early (Mastodon could still prove to be a flash in the pan), but I wanted to bring it up for consideration. A little healthy competition would...

@martin ^
10:20
For Mastodon to be able to verify a link it needs to see rel="me" on the a tag
@ShadowTheKidWizard Yeah, that's links from SO to Masto, I'm interested in the reverse
@martinclayton so you need to ask this on their forums/meta.
@martinclayton verify as in adding a blue "V"? Just pay $8 monthly and you're all good. ;)
Actually that's the only decision Musk made that I'm happy with.
This will boost spam and trash on Twitter in such a scale, that people wouldn't be able to ignore it.
Hopefully, leading to its early demise.
News this morning was that the blue one would be payed for, but there would be a grey one for verification ;)
Yeah, could've just introduced the gray one as payed for :P
@ShadowTheKidWizard I could ask on Mastodon, but it will need SO expertise on here I suspect. The question is: Can I embed functioning link like <a rel="me" href="https://mastodon.world/@foximax">Mastodon</a> in my SE profile?
10:24
And gold one, for which you pay $1000 every month, for no gain whatsoever.
And you know... present the full plan instead of make everyone panic with 'blue ticks will lose their value and nothing will replace them'
Forgive the self-promo...
@martinclayton nope.
This requires change in the codebase, and based on the staff answer on the question I linked above, this won't happen.
@martinclayton no worry, not going to harass you on Mastodon. Only here. :D
@ShadowTheKidWizard Thanks - I suspected as much, pretty sure if you could embed such links it would be open to abuse.
... Now over to Mastodon to see if I can embed SO flair ...
@martinclayton well that's just an image so can't see why not.
But you can embed flair of every user, no way to verify it's really yours.
embedding Jon Skeet flair :D
10:34
@martinclayton I think this was talked about on another thread
Spammer's avatar is cut off, how to tell them?
I think 'no' and the profiles only support the same commonmark + extensions everywhere else does
@ShadowTheKidWizard where?
@JourneymanGeek here.
waiting for munch sounds
ah
their ava is no longer cut off
@JourneymanGeek awesome! You're a very kind man. :D
10:38
"I've fixed the crack in your wall with a discriminate application of high explosive. Technically there's no crack any more"
@JourneymanGeek exactly ;)
@JourneymanGeek I will search.
@martinclayton you're not going to have much luck
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Q: Add a Mastodon link in addition to Twitter?

JDBTwitter isn't going anywhere any time soon, but there has been quite an exodus and Mastodon is quickly growing as a popular alternative. This may be a bit early (Mastodon could still prove to be a flash in the pan), but I wanted to bring it up for consideration. A little healthy competition would...

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@JourneymanGeek Thanks!
10:54
@JourneymanGeek why did you delete his comments?
@ShadowTheKidWizard cause the post was edited and it no longer made sense
 
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11:55
@Tinkeringbell planning to buy Scarlet / Violet?
Already preordered violet :)
Yesterday XD
@Tinkeringbell Remind me to ask you what you think about the clothing / character customization if the rumors are true.
I will love to hear your opinion about the "now females will have to wear pants only" idiocy...
12:13
Heh. You may ask but it's unlikely I will use the clothing feature much. I didn't in Arceus, only used it once or twice to make something that looked less uniformed. I think I'm wearing a hoodie and some pants, with sneakers, that's good enough for me :P
12:53
@Tinkeringbell to be fair Arceus default clothes are decent enough, if you remove the hat.
Yeah, just not really 'my style' ;)
Sword defaults... aren't that great. And the "bowtie school uniform" from Scarlet/Violet trailers are "bleargh" imho.
I have a copy of sword/shield, I just went with the default.
I didn't play that one all that much though, not sure why. I think I was just busy and then picked up playing Arceus.
yep, but default Gloria looks like this (assuming you choose the female trainer)
Scarlet Violet looks like this...
so now by default you are stuck looking as one of the school type NPC trainer from the previous games :P
13:10
;) I'm not that concious about looks. It's just a puppet I'm controlling, it isn't me :P
If I can make that puppet more aesthetically pleasing, fine. If not, fine too ;)
@SPArcheon is this "find the differences" game?
My kids love it. :D
My dentist has ceiling tiles with that game. It says there are 10, I swear each room only has 9.
@Tinkeringbell something something giasfclfebrehber
14:22
@SPArcheon o/ Have you attempted training models with SD? I've been watching some videos and I would really enjoy having a lot of free time to mess with that stuff :)
Smoke Detector has training models?!
sdc training
:(
@curious stable diffusion ?
@JourneymanGeek yup!
@ShadowTheKidWizard Stable Diffusion
that AI art thing
I walked a total of 28km today
Stable Diffusion can even brew imaginary beverages :P
14:25
was fine when I was walking, but now its random owwies ._.
I bet!
Oh I've been doing this route once a week
I played some Beat Saber after months of not using it and I couldn't even point at stuff without cringing yesterday
@JourneymanGeek and you don't usually get sore?
but I've been occationally venturing further down the route, and route goes from rubberised path to gravel to... what looks like compacted construction debris
@curious not this bad
and I did maybe 30-40 min extra?
quite funny tho, there was a bunch of school girls. One group was HELLO! so I HELLOed back. Another group was like "We're supposed to be bonding, we need to bond more than the rest of them" ._. and dogs. And monkeys. and a baby squirrel :D
@curious not at all
that is a model someone made.
14:31
@JourneymanGeek monkeys! That's something we don't see here :)
We have uhm.... exotic.. frosted grass this morning
@curious part of the path goes through a nature reserve and those are native here
@JourneymanGeek Are they used to humans?
Vaguely
But it's discouraged
There's incidents where a troupe of them raided an apartment block 😅
And I kinda believe in leaving wild animals a wide berth
14:46
@JourneymanGeek sounds like you're having fun while walking. :D
@JourneymanGeek monkeys? I remember stories here about them causing trouble in India.
15:02
I visited a few temples in Indonesia and our guide always said to watch out for our belongings because monkeys tend to take them :)
 
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@JourneymanGeek try to smelt the debris. If they are ancient enough you may get some netherite scraps...
17:13
in The Bridge on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 28 mins ago, by Newly Opened Proposals for Entertainment
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YouTubers

Proposed Q&A site for those who have a YouTube channel and want tips, ideas, and inspiration.

Currently in definition.

can we get LDShadowLady for mod if that is approved?
18:08
Huh, people still try to create new sites, that's noble.

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