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2:14 AM
@JourneymanGeek one of co-workers actually has that type of pup and his wife brought it into work today - so freaking adorable
 
2:25 AM
@LinkBerest ya but super rare
 
that's why it was so awesome to get to pet one today :)
and all because I mentioned having a chat about terriers the night before (last night)
 
 
3 hours later…
5:42 AM
!!/coffee
 
@202324 brews a cup of Macchiato for @202324
 
6:22 AM
morning
 
@LinkBerest soft or rough fur? 😀
 
@Magisch @JourneymanGeek You around? This need flagging
 
@LinkBerest Our office has a havanese dog in it, a coworker adopted him and brings him to work regularly to socialize him since his previous owners didn't look after him much and yelled at him a lot
 
@BelovedFool not really. Will take a look when I can :/
 
:/ Thanks anyway
 
6:26 AM
@BelovedFool I put one on it
will be some time until someone gets to it though
 
So sorry. Having a dumpster fire at work
 
@Magisch Yeah, I know :/ I was hoping that we could remove it before the person it's addressed to read it
@JourneymanGeek Arf, those are never fun...
I guess that, at least, you are paid to handle them, though
 
@BelovedFool :/
 
Its not too bad. But after the way this week has been, I think I am reverting to a few bad habit :/
 
the notification is still there and shows a preview of the comment, even if it's gotten rid of
 
6:29 AM
!!/tea @JourneymanGeek
 
(I've had fizzy drinks all three days I worked this week)
 
@Magisch Yeah, but it's the last sentence who bugs me the most, so this won't be visible
 
Stuff isn't really good for me
 
@JourneymanGeek :/ Sending love to your way <3
@JourneymanGeek Also, have some cute dogs:
 
At least I got a full night's sleep
@BelovedFool hah. I lack sleep cause my geriatric terrier is too proud to go in paper ;p
 
6:33 AM
@JourneymanGeek So, not a good idea to post dogs picture? ^^'
 
@BelovedFool that kind of attack needs to stop.
@Tinkeringbell are you back in the trenches?
 
@BelovedFool naw he is fine 😄
 
@JourneymanGeek would you consider stepping back up to moderate mse?
 
@YvetteColomb Yeah, and the upvotes makes me sick :/
 
@JourneymanGeek Yeah. Our Labrador has had an upset stomach over last weekend. The mess stank like hell, but I cleaned it all up with love. It's rough when things like this happen, you only want your pets to be happy and healthy.
 
6:36 AM
@BelovedFool someone needs to start warning and suspending people
 
@YvetteColomb You are preaching an already convinced ^^
@YvetteColomb But yeah, I don't wonder how many more "rude" flags it will take to actually kick out all those "not nice" people
 
MSE is a wold of hurt and stress. JMG needs and deserves a break, not more of it.
 
@Snow it was a question to JMG - he can always say no.
 
Iirc, comment flags don't have any permanent effect on the affected accounts, do they?
 
@BelovedFool is Tinkeringbell back?
 
6:39 AM
@YvetteColomb eh. I'm open to coming back if needed.
 
@YvetteColomb I just care for my friend.
 
too many helpful rude /unkind comment flags raises an auto flag, but it requires a moderator to action it
 
@YvetteColomb I don't want to talk for her
Also, the comment is gone \o/
 
I've asked but I am neither pressing for not do I want anyone to press for an answer
 
@JourneymanGeek Thats terrierble
 
6:40 AM
@Snow ofc! and so do I. It's an unhappy situation for all concerned, that's for sure :(
 
I can do nearly enough good as a plebian as a patrician 😄
 
@JourneymanGeek You asked the Team to return you mean?
 
I asked also fwiw
they said to wait until they've rolled out the new mod reinstatement process
we can use a contact form and ask that way
CMs will review it and say yay or nay
 
@JourneymanGeek you'll need to ping @Catija about this. It should only take two CMs to reinstate a mod.
 
6:42 AM
I think the lack of response is being snowed under
 
At the same time I realize it's messy and really should give the community team their space
 
The resquest might have been buried somewhere.
 
@JourneymanGeek ikr! it's hard. I've been emailing Tim and feel dreadful guilt. But I've been honestly offering to take some of the load.
@Snow yep. That's what I reckon is happening all over the place - and then people feel hurt for not hearing back when it's really not personal this time
 
@YvetteColomb well true but I mostly don't want to add to the stress
 
Too many emails of good intent can also end up being a bad thing...
 
6:43 AM
fwiw @JourneymanGeek I'd like to see you back.
 
And I imagine the team have a TON of emails to process.
 
@Snow ofc
@JourneymanGeek the site really needs to be cleaned up with a strict hand. What do you think?
@BelovedFool ?
 
@YvetteColomb not really strict
Its not just about beating up the bad guys
Its also about giving folks something they can trust
 
Set a good example, be consistent in moderation, be strict but fair...
In other words, not a "crusade"
 
^
The hard parts about things like this is folks who have bad intent want an overreaction
 
6:46 AM
@JourneymanGeek not really strict, just clear message of what is allowed and what is not. Like this chat room has been managed
@JourneymanGeek oh there's plenty of stirrers enjoying this - for sure
 
@YvetteColomb I've done a terrible job on that. Its mostly been mags and rene
 
@YvetteColomb I'm definitively not against that. I would love is the policy on MSE was as strict as it is on IPS (interpersonnal skills). On IPS, arguing on comment is strickly forbiden. Comments are only for asking clarification or suggest improvement. If you disagree with an answer, you write your own and that's it (and answers are also very strickly moderated)
 
they've been great
@BelovedFool informally there is
 
the humiliating thing is - we look like idiots to the outside world. You know what I mean?
 
Especially on announcements
 
6:47 AM
ideally a mod convinces the bad guys its not worth it and drags people with good intentions and bad actions back to not making bad actions
 
@YvetteColomb We didn't set the fire ;)
 
@BelovedFool yeh that's a good idea
 
@BelovedFool That seems a little too... "totalitarian" to me.
 
@BelovedFool MSE is different from that. MSE has lots of discussion
 
@Magisch honestly? The trick is to make the good folks feel safe
 
6:48 AM
Meta sites are basically discussion central.
 
and the bad guys bored.
they'll move on to the next place
 
The tag [discussion] exists there for a reason
 
@Cerbrus That's how you create a safe space. But I understand how/why people could scream at this idea ^^
 
its a discussion platform, not really a normal SE site. Of course people are going to discuss in comments. Usually this works out semi-fine but if the volume is increased tenfold as is right now that ceases to work
 
THe terrible thing is after a while you see trouble everywhere
 
6:48 AM
@BelovedFool Safe for who?
 
@Magisch the sheer volume is the problem
 
@Cerbrus For everyone
 
@JourneymanGeek oh it's the users who are burning the place down. People can disagree, but people still need to be held accountable for the pile on. There's only so much pointing the finger at the network that can excuse or justify the mess that is on the site tbh
 
@YvetteColomb uhm. I disagree
 
@BelovedFool I don't agree
 
6:49 AM
@Cerbrus I know
 
tbh I partly stopped participating on IPS because I haven't the faintest clue how I can participate there atm with all the rules for answers and comments
 
@YvetteColomb SE staff had a big hand in this mess...
 
@YvetteColomb most of these users weren't active a few months ago
 
@JourneymanGeek that 100 times that! It should be part of the CoC
 
I could probably learn them again but i don't have the energy for it
 
6:49 AM
@JourneymanGeek ofc you do, most of the active meta userbase diagrees :)
 
@YvetteColomb I don't really believe in COCs
 
@YvetteColomb "make the good folks feel safe"? How do you make a rule out of that?
 
they're feel good garbage that is written by well meaning folks.
 
@Magisch The trick is: "do not comment" and "backup (with personal experience or external sources) everything you say"
 
You build culture by setting an example
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6:50 AM
agree, but in a site so big - it needs to be in black and white
 
Nope
 
it's hard managing a site so nbig
 
Gray area is how a community thrives
Black & white is basically how coorporate management works. You're either with us, or against us.
No, I disagree
So you're against us
 
black and white - as in ink on paper
 
Ooow
That's something different xD
 
6:52 AM
you can't go with extremes either way if you have a really diverse community (as we do)
 
@BelovedFool part of the problem is pile on.
 
there are people from so many different cultures here the standards of polite discourse are in part completly incompatible so a middle ground has to be created somewhere.
 
@Magisch it's impossible to keep everyone happy, even in a smaller more collected group - let alone a global site like this
 
In that regard, I think the more rules you write, the more opportunity you're creating for loopholes. It's really simple. "Be nice", and trust moderators to enforce that.
@YvetteColomb That's something I can agree on
 
@YvetteColomb that's kinda got us in this mess
 
6:54 AM
@YvetteColomb That's why we delete answers who basically say the same thing. It had been said one, no need to said it more, just use your upvote
 
@Cerbrus feints lol
 
Consider Jeff's first rule
"Don't be a dick"
 
@BelovedFool agree
 
That became be nice.
 
@JourneymanGeek Kinda sexist, if you ask me ;-)
 
6:54 AM
Jeff could hardly be accused of subtility ;p
 
hehe no he couldn't
I like Jeff - he's authentic
what you see is what you get type of authentic
 
jeff's primary advantage was he never came across as corporate in any way
 
exactly!
 
it seemed as if jeff was one of us who coincidentally happened to run the site
 
It's just... The more you tell people how to write, the less free people feel to express (valid?) concerns in fear of being reprimanded for writing it the wring way.
 
6:56 AM
so we overlooked a lot of imperfections
 
I have to do some work. I'll pop in later. good to chat folks
 
@YvetteColomb See you :)
 
57 messages moved to Chimney
 
Hm, if I were to say: "See you later, guys!", would that still be okay? The new CoC doesn't really mention a case like that
 
sure why not
 
7:01 AM
guys -> guy -> male
 
you're not mandated to always be gender neutral, it's just encouraged
you can even without going against the coc use default he for everyone, but the CMs would rather you didn't
 
@Cerbrus I personally don't really like it. It as if you were saying goodbye to everyone but me, but I understand people use it in a gender neutral way (even if it isn't). So, I prefer "folks" more
 
Just to be clear, I'm not trying to troll, it's just that it's confusing
 
the only actual mandate is when corrected follow that for the time being
 
@Magisch I don't think you can call it encouraged if there's consequences for not doing it
 
7:04 AM
there isn't
read the FAQ again. The only thing there's consequences for is continuing to not respect pronouns after someone asked you to directly
 
@BelovedFool But what if I were to tell you that that greeting applied to -everyone- in the room? That I truly don't care what someone is / identifies as? Could you accept that I have no ill intentions when using that sentence?
Not to single you out, but it helps to get an opinion
 
@Cerbrus A part of my brain could, but my feeling wouldn't. So I would still feel like you are saying goodbye to everyone but me, even if I know it's not your intent
 
Ooh, I hadn't really thought about it that way yet
Knowing and feeling are separate things...
 
Glad I could help you realize that :)
 
Well shit, now I have to reconsider all my opinions
 
7:08 AM
Haha x)
 
Better then being stuck holding them forever :)
 
The funny thing is, that line clicked with me because I know what that's like...
I've had a period where I'd consistently fall off a specific horse at a specific type of hurdle, when jumping. One time, I nearly poked my eye out with a steel beam...
Suffice to say, I was shitting bricks when going for that type of hurdle, every time...
 
@Magisch I read through it again, if you look at Q5 it says it starts with a warning, I think a warning is still a consequence since it's an av into more severe repercussions
 
While I knew the horse and I could do it... You still doubt yourself
 
@Cerbrus That's very understandable
I have anxiety issues. So, I really often feel stuff that are definitively false (no, you won't die by just coming out of your apartment)
 
7:12 AM
@BelovedFool are you at those moments aware that those feelings are (possibly) related to the anxiety issues?
 
@Cerbrus Most of the time, I'm definitively aware. Some times, I also have anxiety and have no idea what I'm afraid of
 
That must be frustrating as hell
 
Yeah, thankfully taking medication helps a lot
 
Good :-)
 
yep understanding something on an intellectual level is different from the emotional reactions we may get. I can understand on an intellectual level why people get upset with some of my posts and comments. I can see why they're upset and feel like I'm dismissing them or dictating to them. At the same time I feel hurt at times by the things people say, even though I know they are also defending the site for similar reasons to me. We have different perspectives. 1/2
 
7:15 AM
Mental issues are weird... And imo hard to relate to
 
So having the logic is one thing, also having the basic emotional need to belong socially is another. We all have the basic animal need to belong and be a part of the community. Our primitive brains require this to survive. So when people are met with a load of downvotes or comments disagreeing - a part of the brain can go "boing" "I'm being shut out of the group. I'm vulnerable. a sabre tooth tiger is gonna eat me. help" That's what we're struggling with. 2/2
 
@Cerbrus Definitively true. I would have no idea what it's actually is to have depression or anxiety if I didn't have those both. I would think of them as just "feeling low" or "being a little stressed" (I use to think that, I was definitively wrong)
 
and one more bit :)
 
@YvetteColomb "We all have the basic animal need to belong and be a part of the community." Some people more than others though.
 
so while we have big fat frontal lobes that we can use to reason, we all have emotional baggage - it's impossible not to. We all have pasts. We all have different cultures. we are taught that being professional is being "unemotional and all logic" But we are still animals with base emotions, instincts and needs and these need to be acknowledged on some level so we can then use our frontal lobes - otherwise we're left dealing with the emotions. Obviously it's more complex than 3 chat comments
 
7:21 AM
@YvetteColomb we are taught that being professional is being "unemotional and all logic" That differs a lot per culture
 
@Cerbrus yes and know. It's still deep down in every person's primitive self. It's just people don't always acknowledge it and it's more obvious when it's threatened. So by taking unpopular stances for eg puts an individual at odds with the wider community and threatens that position more. Taking a popular stance reinforces that belonging. So the underlying primitive need - being met - is not as obvious.
@Cerbrus ofc - it's hard to provide a summary in 3 comments, it's an idea
yeh some cultures if you don't use please thank you and salutations you're rude
 
@Cerbrus Oh, do you know a culture where it's not the case? I know the level of "unemotional" vary, but I always thought that every culture had this idea
 
others it's like - you're wasting my time and being insincere
 
ah damnit. I missed a good chunk of an interesting conversation ;p
 
@BelovedFool Well, in my experience, in Dutch culture, some level of emotion is fine if you are very excited or absolutely hate an idea
 
7:24 AM
so it's really difficult to navigate - cultural differences , religious differences, gender differences, position within the family, the actual family culture, disabilities, emotional issues, past trauma the list is endless
 
As long as you back it up with some facts
 
@YvetteColomb so, at the risk of ... very broad generalisations
 
@BelovedFool So, we basically agree there.
 
@JourneymanGeek well ofc - it's impossible to discuss without some generalisations
The things I like about the "Dutch" (generalisation) is they are direct - but at times it can feel brutal lmao!
 
the 'western' - well I suppose anglo saxon, and even french way of dealing with conflict, and the chinese way or indian way of dealing with conflict can be very different
 
7:25 AM
@YvetteColomb It's a blessing and a curse
 
@Cerbrus Oh yeah, I live in France and I was once schooled for not showing enough emotion... (I'm on the autism spectrum, displaying correctly my emotion isn't really my strong suit)
 
We don't trust people who sugarcoat what they're trying to say.
 
@Cerbrus I don't sugar coat stuff
 
dutch culture is a bit like german culture except more direct
 
I worked with a Dutch girl, she'd married an Aussie guy with Dutch parents. She was so blunt to a point she was considered rude. I knew her welll enough to talk to her about it and she said - "yeh my husband tells me the same thing"
 
7:26 AM
@Magisch German culture is way more strict in hierarchy
 
that is changing
 
but since my community is tiny and knows everyone else, we tend to consider what we say. Also the drama can get brutal.
 
@JourneymanGeek yep please elaborate - this is interesting
 
or rather has changed for the younger generation
 
@Cerbrus interestingly I was born more into a culture like that - which is why I'm a bit agist - expect the youth to respect the elders.
 
7:27 AM
@YvetteColomb for chinese - generally there's a concept of giving and showing face
 
our elders would like to say we no longer respect any authority but it's mostly manifested in preference for flat leadership structures
 
Mutual respect is really important
 
The funny thing, calling a Dutch person rude for their directness can be considered as very offensive
 
@JourneymanGeek I once saw a graphic about that, it was very interesting but I really don't think I will be able to find it back again
 
@JourneymanGeek what do you mean by giving and showing face?
 
7:28 AM
Ah
 
We're proud of how "to the point" we are
 
I personally found you get along best with everybody with a bit of code switching
 
You don't make the other person embarassed
 
@YvetteColomb Never argue in public, always smile,
 
@Cerbrus no wonder we've been clashing. Wow. This is good to know. I've been offending you
 
7:28 AM
or feel like they are put down
at any close
 
@YvetteColomb No shit
 
THink of it as full contact politelness
At the razor's edge of conflict
 
@Cerbrus lol I didn't know what I was doing that was the biggest cause of upset - aside from complaining ofc
 
Not all chinese are like that though
 
@YvetteColomb There are other aspects as well, but let's not get into that.
 
7:29 AM
and practically they can be informal, and rude too ;p
 
I feel dealing with american culture is hardest for me
 
My own culture is... well
 
@JourneymanGeek so even in an extremely heated scene the people will be super polite? Nod, acknowledge each other etc?
 
I'm utterly incapable of sounding bubbly and happy in person
 
@Cerbrus one aspect per day is good
 
7:29 AM
@Magisch They feel so fake...
 
@YvetteColomb it never gets heated
 
digestible
@JourneymanGeek yep! I get it
@Magisch oh I relate best to theUS and British cultures - our culture was based on those
 
I can do professional, I can do direct, I can do reserved/respectful, I can't really do happy when I'm not
 
@JourneymanGeek ok so now for anglo saxon, french and Indian please
 
Indian - well I'm speaking for my own
 
7:31 AM
so if you get emotional with a Chinese person (disclaimer generalistaion) it's like causing a scene and really bad
 
We're a tiny community where everyone knows eash other
 
@YvetteColomb In public, yea
 
and we're a mix of nice people and complete sociopaths
 
In private... dunno
 
from the few times I had direct interaction with chinese people that seems to be generally correct
even in an open confrontation the worst you'll see is staring daggers while still being unflinchingly polite
 
7:32 AM
hm it's interesting
 
Te term we use is "We slip needles in bananas". We're subtle to a fault, and sometimes a little confusingly wierd.
 
The nice ones are super nice. THe bad ones are bad
 
@Magisch is sarcasm allowed?
 
I wouldn't have dared
 
7:33 AM
@JourneymanGeek so it's hard to get to the heart of the issue? there's a lot of niceness icing around the cake of the problem
 
@YvetteColomb well yes
we have layers
Also we're small and insular and sometimes oblivious
we never make a scene thoughh
 
Just how rude must the Dutch then seem, as we basically discarded all our layers to reveal the perfectly imperfect core... :P
 
(we will totally arrange for you to have an accident however)
 
@JourneymanGeek hm
 
I really like dutch people because there's usually no extra effort I have to put in to understand social cues
 
7:36 AM
scenes are not uncommon here - within limits though
 
@YvetteColomb ah, but see
Americans can be confrontational
as can the french
 
if you're being annoying they'll tell you directly
 
@Magisch Yay! :D
@Magisch And that get's people in trouble a lot ;)
 
@JourneymanGeek yeh so are we - but there's got to be disclaimers to them- like parameters
@Tinkeringbell are you actively moderating? we heard you were on a break
 
@YvetteColomb and the whole grand guestures and shock and awe thing?
 
7:37 AM
Specifically because I have to put in substantial emotional energy to understand social cues usually, via trial and error, because I have no intuition about them at all
 
@Tinkeringbell Oi, nederlander :D
 
@JourneymanGeek your community likes that? So the romantic display or gift of generosity or as a host
 
@Cerbrus Môgge!
 
@YvetteColomb we don't do that
 
@YvetteColomb Sshhh, don't shy the parrot away :p
 
7:38 AM
@JourneymanGeek "and the whole grand guestures and shock and awe thing" what are you refering to there?
 
@YvetteColomb oh in terms of how americans do things ;p
it seems
(YES I AM GROSSLY GENERALISING!)
 
@BelovedFool I want to know if the parrot is moderating and the parrot needs to answer me - as anyone else asking
@JourneymanGeek ofc - but there's also truths in these.
 
@YvetteColomb eh, she dosen't need to answer anyone
@YvetteColomb its not about what its said, its about how its said
and how long a game you play
 
my social mannerisms probably come across as quite stilted which is because my actual thought process is way too direct and incongrous to be just spelled out
 
@JourneymanGeek in American culture?
 
7:40 AM
@YvetteColomb yup
and sometimes people seem so... impatient ;p
 
that's a good observation
 
I just found this about conflict and cultural differences : twitter.com/barakkassar/status/730352778141302784/photo/…
 
same over here. People pull rank on experience
 
ah
I can't do that on SE. I'm surrounded by smarter and braver people
and there's that too
 
I've had one guy telling me he's been building CMS-es for 20 years so he knows best how the UI should work.
 
7:41 AM
most Indians put a lot of store on uhm
 
@BelovedFool that's fantastic
 
what you studied, where you work...
 
Meanwhile, he's a back-ender and doesn't know TypeScript or LESS...
 
I don't but I'm a disgrace :D
I BRING DISHONOUR UPON MY COW. maybe THE COW.
 
I found this and it's very interesting and highlights how damaging it is to ignore people.
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Q: Dealing with somebody who's ignoring my very existence

TinkeringbellBackground I have a group of friends, and we've known each other for about 7 years now. We once all were colleagues. One of these friends, Alice, has an autism spectrum disorder. This friend got fired from our workplace. During the period when she was in between jobs and had limited money availa...

 
7:43 AM
In programming, the first 3/4th of your experience is only relevant for processes, not for implementations :P
 
@YvetteColomb That also explains why most people of the network find me rude ^^' (but I'm working on that, it's not for nothing that my favorite site is "interpersonal skills")
 
@BelovedFool yep
 
@YvetteColomb on the other had, eh.
 
@YvetteColomb Thats one of my personal weaknesses
 
@Magisch what is?
@JourneymanGeek que?
 
7:44 AM
I low key absolutely hate being ignored. It makes me way sadder and madder then it should
 
MSE's kind of a stressful thing now
 
Its worth respecting folks space
(cause that literally looks like you're calling out tink, and that's not really fair to her)
 
I have to keep telling myself it's unintentional most of the time and to keep calm but it does a number on my anxiety
 
@Magisch I'm used to being invisible.
 
7:45 AM
@Cerbrus I get so stuck up on UI I try the KISS method to design but it's always ugly to me
 
I'm actually saying I hate being ignored, particularly when it's by someone I need to communicate with. It's destructive and in it's own way pushes me out of the room and off the site. There's only two mods on the site and this is the first time I've seen one in here for a long while. So being ignored by that mod is not ok
it's not like ignoring @Shadow.. :D
 
@YvetteColomb you also have a bit of a history with her - so... eh, leave her alone please
She totally has the right to come here , and well hang out without getting pestered about actual work that she might not be ready to handle yet
 
Alright, I need to go. You people are way too distracting :p
 
Oh look! A plane!
 
11 mins ago, by Yvette Colomb
@Tinkeringbell are you actively moderating? we heard you were on a break
that is a reasonable question.
yeh I g2g too
 
7:49 AM
Maybe she wants to decide when she talks about that.
 
Yup. I totally have to insist on giving MSE mods some space
 
!!/tea
 
@user58 brews a cup of chamomile tea for @user58
 
*sips tea* ....looks like another day of tea and rice cakes for me, whee.
 
7:52 AM
@JourneymanGeek erm the only exception I have with that - is everyone is entitled to the same respect and space. The lack of moderation of the site is causing people to be piled on and people are not respecting their space. And all hell breaks out when I've asked for my space - both on the site and in chat. So there needs to be some honest two way respect there.
 
Oh, and toast. Mustn't forget the toast.
 
also you keep answering for another person.
 
chamomile tea, bleh, Yorkshire tea gold is where it's at
 
@YvetteColomb Maybe that other person doesn't want to have that discussion...
 
I might not have completely made myself clear ._.
 
7:53 AM
I've actually been sticking with lemon ginger for the most part.
 
oh lemon ginger is good
 
Oh, back to the tea puns. This is the perfect opportuni-tea
 
so is chai with heavy cream and honey
 
Oh, no. Last time was tearable.
 
@Trasiva ^ I'm learning, sensei
 
7:54 AM
is this comment ok
Now that's nice. All our comments were removed and people are already drawing conclusions without context. Of course, Yvette (who was there and remembers the deleted comments) gets to spin that her way, with only Robert left here as the voice of reason. What a mess. — Frédéric Hamidi 10 hours ago
also why was I banned?
 
@StephanS Anything dairy is still off-limits, unfortunately. On the mend, but.... oof.
 
@user58 why was I just banned from the room?
 
@YvetteColomb Seems NC.
 
@user58 NC?
 
@YvetteColomb you were kicked - and I really must insist you drop the topic
 
7:55 AM
2 mins ago, by Journeyman Geek
I might not have completely made myself clear ._.
 
you don't do dairy?
 
@YvetteColomb Probably for not dropping a topic that it had been made clear to you that should be dropped.
@StephanS I've had a stomach bug for half a week by now, I'm trying to avoid eating stuff that'll make it worse.
@YvetteColomb Not Constructive
 
morning. Dropping in for a quick question. As anyone here tried to use the Azure Bastion service yet?
 
@JourneymanGeek hm interesting
so much abuse on the site and you talk about not being too strict
 
@SPArchaeologist-様 oddly enough, not heard about it from my usual sources
 
7:56 AM
it seems selective on who the person is tbh
 
@JourneymanGeek it is a new service that allows VM remote connection via browser (HTML5) so that you don't have to have an exposed public IP
 
well clearly there's no support to be had for me on this site. Shame
 
@user58 I'm sorry to hear that. You're right to stick with lemon ginger, it's probably best for right now
 
@YvetteColomb Chat's different though - and sometimes we ask some topics are dropped. I'd assure you I'd do the same if anyone else did.
@SPArchaeologist-様 ... that sounds shiny
 
@JourneymanGeek nope it reminds me of TL and everything I can't handle about the site
 
7:58 AM
@YvetteColomb again, this isn't about you.
 
it's ok for the people who are in with the group
 
@JourneymanGeek Still in preview, works decently so far. But it has a BIG issue that is borderline ridiculous.
 
the protection only extends to some people
 
@YvetteColomb I have one very simplerule for chat. Folks watch out for each other. I let folks know what I expect, remind them, and well...
 
don't worry. I'm going
 
7:59 AM
Please, Yvette, take a moment. You're going down the bad path again.
 
@Cerbrus it is about me
 

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