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12:00 AM
@soup You should tweet that to Joel. Maybe he'll respond.
As far as training for chat flags, the specific chat message is rarely relevant to the room specifically, it'd be better to get validated-and-invalidated per-room counts
also my bot is pretty crap, ChatExchange can do that if you specify the event type
@Quill I can't install Python 2 on my system, and the Python 3 port errors out when I follow the installation instructions.
Is your bt written in Python 3?
JavaScript, the language of gods
12:10 AM
...Is it a userscript?
No, it's a node project
Whoops never mind plane is taking off bye
Wait who starred that, I don't see bjb in the user list
SO has too many queues. A bunch of problems would be solved by eliminating the big one.
Outrageously bad things would get closed anyway, through users stumbling on them. Duplicates can get closed by OP, or left as they are, with a comment linking the posts.
12:21 AM
Unanswerably vague questions can be downvoted and left for Roomba.
What is CV review for, then?
merging queues feels like you're doing a lot more work (even though it would be about the same)
I'm not proposing merging. Just drop CV queue from SO; a lot of stress goes away, and a lot of time can be reclaimed for something useful.
@soup Preach it, brother.
12:30 AM
I remember that. Slightly different in that I'm in favor of keeping close votes (and some close flags).
Flags are useful for duplicates - generating a comment that puts a relevant question in Linked is already something. And there is a prompt for OP to confirm or deny.
Hm, there would be nothing to do with other close flags, though. Those can go away.
Yeah. I don't know if I actually think close voting is a waste. However:
> But maybe it's time we stopped thinking of closing as our only defence against poor questions.
The blog post linked from the question appears to call me a Nazi. :/
12:42 AM
Hmm, I wonder how well the Town Hall discussion model would work for individual sites
Ignoring the obvious "mods don't want to see timeouts and stuff spamming up their mod notifications"
I wonder if any site could potentially becoming hoarder site ... like if you don't take out all the unwanted stuff.
Hi @MichaelStum, welcome to your new role at SO!
May I interest you in a bunch of bug reports? (jk)
12:59 AM
Welcome to the Tavern, @MichaelStum
@soup Thanks :) Don't worry, I'll have plenty of those on my plate
Second time I've been logged out of chat in 20 minutes.. ;-;
I get kicked out of rooms on semi-regular basis, both here and CHQ.
@Quill Don't you feel, that sometimes, you could just be a guinea pig on certain sites? :p
here, here, piglet :p
1:05 AM
If guinea pig is defined as a user of code with bugs, then any user is essentially a guinea pig, unless you wrote the code
I become guinea pig for my own code all the times
it's called white box testing
being a guinea pig is part of job description for being a software developer/engineer
@Telkitty I did once propose a Framed Garbage site on Area 51. I don't think Robert was amused. ;-)
Did he close it as a duplicate of LifeHacks?
1:10 AM
Waaaaaay before Lifehacks. This was 4 years ago.
were you a CM 4 years ago?
ah, that kinda kills the joke
@Telkitty Nope. I wasn't even much of an SO user at that point.
CM is a bad abbreviation, it could easily be mistaken as Cake Maker
That would be a baker. We're secretly candlestick makers.
1:13 AM
Candy maker!
everyone on stackoverflow gets a candy!
@soup In CHQ I keep getting kicked out to the rooms list about once/day.
Q: The problem with extrinsic motivation

Jon EricsonTL;DR: Stack Exchange favors standard, fast, and complete answers at the expense of novel, creative, and excellent answers. This bias results directly from reputation ratings, badges and other extrinsic motivations, which form the core of the system and can not be removed. Therefor, the quality o...

I have not been kicked out from any chat for ages
But I have been having other scarier experiences
1:28 AM
internet is an unsafe place
2:15 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps answer, offensive answer detected: LeBlanc Combos? by BigDickBandito on gaming.stackexchange.com
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[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Scales and Ascending/Descending differences by Axel Rose on music.stackexchange.com
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2:30 AM
sd rude as hell
3:16 AM
No kidding
3:28 AM
It seems that the VLQ option is gone for answers older than 7 days. — Pang 1 hour ago
This does seem to be the case. Was there any meta post about this?
3:52 AM
@bjb568isnotapebble for you. I'm sure many people think this same thing towards many MSE memes when seeing them used.
MSE isn't a main SE site. Content on main SE sites should be curt and devoid of fluff.
I am still question banned on MSE
Speaking of memes, PPCG locked their meta post on memes with a historic lock
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: What's the difference between "jelly" and "jam"? by Anonymous on english.stackexchange.com
4:08 AM
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4:35 AM
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4:48 AM
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[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: cleanserenewnorway.com/active-cleanse-plus/ by garrytbowman on workplace.stackexchange.com
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5:10 AM
@hichris123 Not just for answers, for questions too. We've discussed it here a while ago...
May 6 at 18:14, by Meta
Do VLQ flags on questions that are more than a week old serve any purpose?
(I tested on Math to avoid confusion with SO-only VLQ policies)
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Electra Hair Brush Reviews by loocmei on workplace.stackexchange.com
5:32 AM
Q: Fixing the disconnect between VLQ and Triage

bluefeettl;dr; When flagging questions as VLQ, we're inadvertently sending too much noise to the moderators to handle. Over the past year, the reviewers here on Stack Overflow have shown themselves able to accurately sift through the majority of these flags, but due to various assumptions, the system sti...

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@Shog9 Are you going to write up an answer, or is it a "bluefeet and shog special"?
sd k
5:56 AM
Hmm, I got invited to a jobs networking event... maybe I ought to go
> "Speed dating for jobs"
I don't think my employer would take kindly if I took a day off for that
Yeah... no.
Hi, I need help finding a dupe
What's the question?
Let's say you see a question with multiple answers. You think all the answers are great, but on the bottom there's a truly excellent answer that you want to rise to the top. You obviously upvote that answer. Under normal circumstances the other anwers would have also clearly deserved upvotes. But in this case you don't vote for them because you don't want them to compete with the excellent answer at the bottom. Is that consider good etiquette?
I wanted to ask this in Meta, but I'm sure it's been discussed before.
6:10 AM
CC @ShadowWizard
Etiquette doesn't really matter, votes are personal. With that said, it probably has been asked before
Haha, yeah, he's the master
He always finds the dupes
Right... Well, I think downvoting the great answers would probably be bad behavior, if nothing else?
A: Unable to flag as 'very-low-quality' (for answers)

Shog9bluefeet's been doing a bit of analysis and soul-searching with regard to the Very Low Quality flag lately: When flagging questions as VLQ, we're inadvertently sending too much noise to the moderators to handle. ... Problem 1: Currently, when a question is older than 7 days and it recei...

> Kudos to Michael Stum for implementing this change - also, please join me in welcoming him to the core development team!
Fast... nice
Also nice to see a developer being hired to work on the Q&A.
whatever happened to the "Your choice of first bug to fix thing"?
6:24 AM
chef is just chief without ego ('i') - Telkitty™
We're gonna just mark all remaining inbox messages "read" for this little event and call it done. — Shog9 ♦ 14 hours ago
^ no more ToS change notifications for slow readers.
still caught 5500+ readers on Monday. Which was a drop from what it was, but... Still a lot.
I've been trying to write another chat flag thing, but I need to know the HTML structure for flags, yet I keep missing them when they arrive ;-;
I'm holding out on AskUbuntu chat for some hope
Flags are SE-chat-wide, AU isn't separate from the rest
6:31 AM
Yeah, I know. Watching for when the incoming chat messages come in is more effective, I suppose
Or you could post something, your know...
Through a sockpuppet, I guess. Else wouldn't see the flag.
I'm gonna grab the message id from the flag dialog and get the adjacent messages to display as "context"
@soup Yeah.... I'm not really interested in sock puppeting a chat flag
It looks the average is about 1 every 6 hours
Michael Stum's User Id on SO is two digits.
I could always open a WS connection and do it manually ;-;
@soup I got a single digit id on Language Learning :)
but to be fair there's only like 10 users
6:35 AM
Employees come and go more often nowadays, the blog no longer has welcome posts for them.
That seems to be mostly non-dev roles
Back in the days it wasn't. E.g., blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/06/…
I'm just waiting for the day I see another podcast in the sidebar... and then I can have faith back in humanity
6:56 AM
I'm excited for the town hall... I might actually make some notes beforehand this time, instead of springing crap from the top of my head
@Quill I had almost forgotten we used to have podcasts
7:45 AM
@Bart used to? No more podcasts?
Haven't seen one in a long time. I guess it's simply on a hiatus
@Bart yup, last one is 5 months ago
Abby T. Miller on January 7, 2016
Welcome to the Stack Exchange Podcast episode #70! Today's podcast is brought to you by the BB-8 droid. Today your hosts are joined by developer Jason Punyon, whom you may remember from way back in Podcast #21. Punyon works out of balmy Buffalo, NY. (Here's the Buffalo sentence they talk about for a weirdly long time.)
SE staff are busy people
I sure it's all down to "priorities" ... pfff
hiring a "dedicated podcasts manager" is a little much
7:48 AM
@Fiksdal not really. You should upvote good content, period.
The CMs have been busy handling all the usual drama suspects, Joel is so busy he has to hire a Chief of Staff and I don't know about the other podcast hosts because they're too busy we don't hear from them!
@ShadowWizard So you're suggesting it's better to upvote all the great answers?
Upvote the stuff you think deserves an upvote. Downvote what deserves a downvote. Strategic voting is kinda pointless given that you can't really make a big dent anyway in the overall scheme of things.
You're not so much helping an answer to the top as you are holding back well deserved votes from other good contributors.
[ SmokeDetector ] Pattern-matching website in body: Ultimately, they claimed that by Kashmala zabi on arduino.stackexchange.com
8:13 AM
@Bart So if there was a really excellent answere at the bottom, I should just view the other answer based on their individual merit? (Like, pretend the truly excellent answer wasn't there, and ask myself whether I would upvote the others?)
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in answer: Whatsapp images lost by mayinjune on android.stackexchange.com (@meatball)
@Fiksdal pretty much, yes. Nothing stops you from just seeing the one answer, upvoting it and leaving. But I wouldn't go out of my way to try and get something specific to the top.
8:34 AM
@Bart OK. Thanks for the input
@Quill well Joel is the CEO of a multimillion dollar business
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps answer, few unique characters in answer, repeating characters in answer: Why don't airlines have in-flight video recordings like buses do? by VENKAT on aviation.stackexchange.com
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9:12 AM
I just got the swag after a looooong time. Hugs @JNat
:) The Stack Overflow shirts are great
I want swag!
Speaking of swag, apparently I can email the team about getting a mod hat (which apparently is just for elected mods)
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps answer, few unique characters in answer, repeating characters in answer, blacklisted user: Why don't airlines have in-flight video recordings like buses do? by VENKAT on aviation.stackexchange.com
aaaand I got the flag dialog.... time to develop
9:37 AM
@Quill *Chem.SE
oh. that kinda swag... cool
wasn't there a beaker mug?
9:50 AM
damn that's cool
@Quill BURN
not as cool as my duck, though
these oneboxes are large
@Quill Why is your duck looking at its nose?
Because it knows it's the better item
Yeah keep telling that to yourself. :P
9:57 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website in body, link at end of body: All in all whilst understanding at by ribianelly on askubuntu.com (@kos)
Honestly they should play fair.
Why do we get the cooler stuff?
3 mins ago, by TIPS
Yeah keep telling that to yourself. :P
6 mins ago, by TIPS
@Quill BURN
10:30 AM
Q: How come I got the tenacious badge

dimWell, I have been awarded the Tenacious badge an hour ago... But I don't think I actually deserve it (even though it's nice to get badges). As I understand, I need more than 5 accepted answers with zero score. Fine, I have 6 of them. But it needs to represent more than 20% of my total answers, a...

I never understood these badges.
You actually get them for playing the guitar
Oh, figures.
T-minus 7 hours
I didn't know how to play any musical instrument.
In some parallel universe, it would be one of my primary insecurities.
10:53 AM
@Fiksdal what @Bart said is what I would have said myself. Just keep it simple. No need to over-think voting so much in my opinion. :)
@TIPS lol, my first SO gold badge was Unsung Hero, which I got after less than three months. Felt good! :D
@TIPS Who is @OP? You can't do that, you don't notify anyone extra here. Also, if a commenter was named OP or O P, you would notify them this way. — Έρικ Κωνσταντόπουλος 6 mins ago
Maybe they thought they found my weak spot or something.
oh that question ...
11:09 AM
@rene which?
the one @TIPS referred to with their comment @ShadowWizard
@rene which?
@ShadowWizard o.k. thanks :)
@TIPS weren't you set to combust?
@rene he's stuck in Auto mode
11:12 AM
I'm not a vehicle.
@TIPS prove it
Proves it
waiting for proof
I just proved it.
@TIPS I for one see an Autobot insignia on your flank.
11:17 AM
switching to True Seeing mode
But maybe that's is just your cutie mark?
@Derpy WTH is Autobot insomnia
switching to through seeing mode .... Ooops
@Derpy ^
Could someone poke this guy?
Preferably with a stick.
Preferably @Bart
11:18 AM
@Derpy lol, it was in the Hats sprites couple of years ago
@TIPS I already did, on @Oded's answer. This is a lost cause. He's not there for any discussion, and fixed on his own wrong ideas.
@Derpy I am Optimus Prime. Leave this chat alone because I'm coming for you.
@DanBron Just a spelling correction; Thai -> this. — Έρικ Κωνσταντόπουλος 1 min ago
More like feeling like it's Troll Day @Sha.
Happy Troll Day @Sha
oops... sorry @Oded didn't mean to ping you, just a habit. Promise! :D
Oh, yes. He doesn't like it, so we must change it. Despite the fact that it is just him :)
Yup ^
11:20 AM
@Telkitty Says who
@TIPS Ponies are authorized in any Autobot owned area by default.
I just spilt rotten mandarin on my desk.... it smells like wine
@Derpy But this place is owned by Shog. A decepticon
@TIPS Shog is not a decepticon. He is the master of all Medusa's head from Castlevania.
11:22 AM
@ShadowWizard awww, I missed drama? I don't get enough drama on this site any more.
@DanBron You got it all wrong. I said Stack Exchange should be a main site, and the meta should be called "Stack Exchange Meta", not reversed. This should be a meta, not a main. Also, the meta.stackexchange.com confuses me because I expect a meta, and I get a main instead. — Έρικ Κωνσταντόπουλος 20 mins ago
Ha. So, he wants us to change se.com to be where we discuss the network, and MSE to be where we discuss se.com...
@Oded Hmm... I thought there was a word for selective omnipresence
@Bart it's still ongoing... you can poke him too...
@Oded Just tell him a "sure thing buddy" and move on
@Quill sure. Stack Exchange Moderator.
11:24 AM
@Oded could you not automatically redirect visits from his IP to Yahoo Answers?
@Oded Hmm. must apply to employees and elected mods.... I'm not seeing it yet
11:25 AM
Wow, Youtube is actually down. gg
Still managing to make @Quill feel inferior. Good job
Are you the dev scheduled for the slaughterhouse Town Hall, @Oded?
@bart pika pika pika PIKACHUUUUU!!!!!
@Derpy stick to ponies please
11:26 AM
I was gonna bring up some sort of Jabber-XMPP-in-chat integration FR, but I doubt many people care
@Derpy OK the nerdy vocab went above my pay grade.
@Quill nope. But I was planning on hanging around for it.
Town Hall? When? Where?
cool :)
@Bart http://chat.meta.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/89/tavern-on-the-meta?tab=schedul‌​e
Today, here. 17:00 UTC
11:27 AM
^ @ShadowWizard I invoke your search spell... there should be an old picture I made of the Castlevania Shog's head enemy somewhere....
Oooh, that doesn't leave me with much time to prepare rants, racist statements and other shouty contributions ... That's what happens in those, right?
remove the racism, and add lots and lots of stars and you're about right
@Bart yes
11:39 AM
@Bart Even ranty and bullshit contributions are still contributions.
@TIPS that's my life motto
Good topic for the town hall too
11:59 AM
@TIPS Glad to hear that ;) Enjoy
12:17 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: health-wellnessworld.com/celexas-male-enhancement/ by satione18 on drupal.stackexchange.com
@Bart prove you're worthy! ;)
@Derpy didn't find, maybe you'll have better luck... here's all the pictures you posted: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/…
This must be Castlevania Shog's head.
12:33 PM
@Oded How do you guys manage to not slack off? I slack off when using SE all the time and to get work done I have to limit my daily SE time quite a bit. You guys however work AT SE. So you're the people running Procrastination Headquarters
Um. Yeah. We're... em. Yeah.
@Magisch Joel has uploaded himself to all of their computers and is watching them, so he's watching them and they can't slack off.
@Magisch It's a bit different when you're on the clock ;-)
I am on the clock right now
I'm convinced much of the appeal of SO and SE sites in general comes from the fact that they look so professional and are such a household name that you can slack off on them without your boss even knowing you're not knee-deep in some sort of problem solving process :p
Yeah, it's a bit harder to get away with the mod dashboard and chat though
12:37 PM
When is the town hall again?
Welp, I'm an apprentice, so until 2018 at least I get 4-5 hours daily of my 8 hours for learning and self improvement
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ http://chat.meta.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/89/tavern-on-the-meta?tab=schedul‌​‌​e
Which means I have lots of time to close questions on SO and flag things
\o/ procrastination
New airport! (@ Munich Franz Josef Strauss Airport in München, Bayern) https://www.swarmapp.com/c/3mwAEnytc6P https://t.co/221RGh05MW
yay for holidays
@Quill oaky thanks
12:41 PM
What brings you to Bayern, the texas of germany?
and mods
@Quill I don't think he's on holiday. He sure was working yesterday when I saw him in London.
@Oded Does SE have a permanent office in london?
12:47 PM
@Oded Oh, I see.
yay for Air Travel, I guess
Are you guys doing tours?
yeah. it's a rep perk at 1m rep
Aww damn
@Magisch not really. The London office is mostly a sales office, I only go in once every couple of weeks, mostly to meet up with other London based devs, who also mostly work at their homes.
Not enough "mostly" in the above.
I was asking because I'll probably be in london for the winter holidays this year
12:51 PM
Hmm that makes me wonder if I could get a tour of the NYC offices
Seeing as I live there, and in college I'll live only a few hours north of there
You can get a virtual tour on Google Maps
A: I'm on vacation in NYC. Can I visit/tour the Stack Exchange Headquarters?

David FullertonGenerally, the answer is "no". Most of the people working out of New York are sales people who cannot be interrupted or we will run out of money and have to stop sending out so many free t-shirts. We don't really have anyone whose job it is to show people around the office. With that said, you...

I like the last part though
@soup sounds the likes of bjb, even carrot, YCS might be able to get in ...
12:55 PM
Working for Stackexchange is probably simultaneously the most amazing and the most annoying thing ever
You have a community of people who love nitpicking and hate ambiguity
@ShadowWizard wtf
if you are an outstanding troll, you can get in because every one knows you (-sales ppl)>_<
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ little people counting down. Not my code, it's from last April Fool's. :D
12:56 PM
Most of the people working for Stack Exchange have nothing to do with Q&A community.
@ShadowWizard s/April Fools/winterbash
Well yeah but imagine you're a dev and every time you use the wrong kind of minus or make a typo someone raises a multi page meta thread about it
That's what you have testing and QA for
Oo ... I C, and I thought I was joking when I mentioned IPO. So I wasn't wrong after all ...

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