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12:31 AM
Why are we kicking @bjb568isnotapebble?
He's fun to have around
@hichris123 It's CalVer, apparently.
1:19 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Chinese character in title, messaging number in body, messaging number in title, mostly non-Latin body, mostly non-Latin title, phone number detected in title: (Australia毕业证成绩单)Q/微信2516986537办理维多利亚大学文凭*【VU毕业证】雅思托福成绩单/学历认证Victoria University by nnn99hh on workplace.stackexchange.com
sd k
not again! I thought we'd fixed that
1:36 AM
@soup Interesting. How did you stumble upon that?
@JamesENL He hasn't been kicked... yet...
@hichris123 Alright
I can understand why spammers are trying to sell degrees on Stackoverflow, what I don't understand is that why are spammers selling anti-aging creams and weight loss pills on Stackoverflow - got many audience?
dumb spammers need to learn targeted marketing
It's a textbox on one of the most popular sites online. Why not spam there?
would you pimp some female prostitutes in a crowded gay bar?
1:41 AM
gay bar ... not gay & lesbian bar
Are you saying Stack Overflow is a gay bar?
I am not calling spammers pimps
@Shog9 But ... are you suggesting something ;)
@Shog9 I like that idea, except for the fact that I'm not 21 yet.
@QPaysTaxes she specifically said "not lesbian"
Now, I'm not sure how all this stuff works, but that sounds pretty exclusionary to me
And we here at Stack Overflow Heavy Industries are not about exclusionist behavior.
1:49 AM
Just because it's a bar catering to homosexual males doesn't mean females are barred from the premises.
It's exclusionary in the same way that McDonald's is exclusionary to people who care a lot about their health -- they're not the intended audience.
Unrelated, is there an official Stack Exchange policy on comments on spam posts? For example, if I post "This is spam. Taking this product could have severe side effects, including but not limited to death. Consult your doctor before taking any non-FDA certified or untested products advertised as means by which to improve one's health." on a spam post advertising vitamin supplements, is that considered "mean" or "abusive"
Why waste your time with the comment?
Yeah, especially considering it's unlikely anyone will see it...
So in this increasingly complicated metaphore, who are the people who care about health that Stack Overflow doesn't cater to?
@Shog9 What? I just said I liked the idea of Stack Overflow being a gay bar.
@Andy Because as an EMT I'm morally and legally obligated to point out blatant risks to one's health?
Would lesbians hire female prostitutes?
1:54 AM
@hichris123 A tweet by asmeurer
@QPaysTaxes no. Because, who cares? It's spam.
@QPaysTaxes Well, spam on SE is dealt with pretty quickly. If you are morally and legally obligated to do so, I suggest you point your browser at some other site (say, reddit?) and chase down all the poor medical advice there.
@Andy I'd be there all day. I wanna get something productive done.
Also, unrelated to obligations, it's fun to pretend I'm helping
@Shog9 Good to know :)
All I am saying is that, since there are so many homework questions, obviously there are heaps of people who care about getting a degree visiting this site, and degree spammers are targeting those people.
@hichris123 Except reviewers in LQRQ. I sometimes leave a comment on particularly tricky cases, such as a copy of another answer with an extra link. Kind of unfair to reviewers to use these as audits.
1:58 AM
If I were to promote my funny cat app, I would have chosen funny cat videos comment section to spam, I would not choose make up tutorials to spam. >_<
I see we've reached the "extreme metaphor" phase of your "discussion"
@Telkitty You have a funny cat app?
2:00 AM
I have many apps, and yes I have a funny cat app
2 exactly
sold ios one to another company
still have the android one
didn't sell it for a very high price though, it was a very simple app
I just realise I didn't turn comments on for my latest blog post ;-;
2:03 AM
@Quill This time I didn't make it past hairboat's wall of text in the transcript. Here's hoping the 3rd installment is the last one.
Trying to understand why spammers spam is pretty pointless. A better goal would be trying to understand what spammers do when they spam (spam patterns). Which Smokey does, and SpamRam does
Target audience, Location, all these things don't matter.
[ SmokeDetector ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Unable to reset password in Recovery Mode by David Jack on apple.stackexchange.com
also when I say selling the app, I really mean selling the code and it's revenue stream - basically the whole product
2:34 AM
@Telkitty popular site with good search engine rankings, and they're too dumb to realise that links here don't have referrers.
The few human spammers we deal with are pretty dumb, and probably paid per post.
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, link at end of body: x4up.org/hyper-tone-force-reviews/ by Chloedanielle2016 on arduino.stackexchange.com
sd k
forgot to mention, funny cat app is available on windows phone, written in C# :p
all details on my website (which I have not touched in 2 years)
2:48 AM
I really need to stop creating new things and do some maintenance on old stuff
Presented without context: "Previously, our workers were being killed every 6 seconds."
@Nick_Craver Worldbuilding or scifi/fantasy?
My guess would've been Joel's Twitter
3:10 AM
Hmm.... not bad
Depends what that's for...
My grade total for webtech
> FlexBox is a relatively new CSS addition that has only be standardised in recent browser versions
MDN says it was standardised in 2013.....
Can someone slap QPaysTaxes, they seem to miss spam with blindness to rival Ray Charles
3:45 AM
@JamesENL He's just trolling. Which... probably should be discouraged. @QPaysTaxes
4:02 AM
@JamesENL Dude, ping me if you wanna complain about me.
It's rude to talk about people behind their backs.
@hichris123 The only trolling I remember doing is to spammers. Did I accidentally post it somewhere else?
@QPaysTaxes, I think you may have missed this comment earlier about responding to spam:
2 hours ago, by Shog9
@QPaysTaxes no. Because, who cares? It's spam.
@Andy That was in response to me asking if it was considered rude or abusive to troll spammers.
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body: Build Muscle Without A Gym by ericstover on drupal.stackexchange.com
That was in response to you asking if there was a policy against comments on spam posts. You were encouraged two hours ago to not waste your time. Now there are additional community members encouraging you to not waste your time.
@Andy ...Huh. Sorry, I thought it was clear I was referring to trolling them. My bad.
At the same time, though, does it harm anyone?
Aside from, possibly, me, and the continued legality of smoking in most countries pretty effectively shows that most people don't care if you wanna hurt yourself, as long as it doesn't affect others.
4:14 AM
@QPaysTaxes If you've reached the point of annoying community members, yes.
Oh, true
On the other hand, it's not exactly my fault that someone decided I should be physically injured because I decided to waste some time unproductively.
You've said repeatedly that you are going to "troll". Stop.
There is no need to do so. If you want to waste your time, find another activity to do.
Well, way to kill a productive discussion.
Which was, incidentally, how I was killing time.
Oh man I love making not constructive comment flags on old posts
I'm surprised there's no comment flagging rings between mods and users to reduce average flag handling time
4:36 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website in answer: Whatsapp Restoring Backup not working :/ by Joseph Tindle on apple.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: How did Mr. Gatsby become so rich after being a sailor? by illuminati membership on movies.stackexchange.com
4:54 AM
May 1 at 10:38, by Telkitty
also comment trolling is not punished, one can comment troll anything to ones heart's content, unless suspended beforehand
Why on earth was my snippy remark starred
That's just embarrassing.
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body: Skin Look After Common Skin Problems by Anndtown on drupal.stackexchange.com
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in Hinduism on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 3 mins ago, by Tezz
@Pandya can name of room be changed?...
5:14 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body: archive.org/details/TestadroxReview_20160618 by marydson on gaming.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Tips Carried Out Correctly Healthy Skin And Keeping It Healthy by williamjohn on workplace.stackexchange.com
Fresh dump of SE data: archive.org/details/stackexchange
> So IFTTT just posted a VERY NSFW tweet into our Slack room due to their hashtag missing a space. Time to adjust the keywords trigger!! -- Greg Bray at 5:59 PM - 22 Jun 2016
Hashtags can't have spaces...
@soup I wonder what the hashtag was
I can see how Experts Exchange might have this problem, but SE?
5:20 AM
@QPaysTaxes I didn't realise you were here sorry. I didn't mean anything seriously
@JamesENL I don't care if you complain about me. I just want you to do it to my face so I can either explain why you're wrong or realize I'm wrong.
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, link at end of body: fornatgaex.com/revitasence/ by Ruthbjames on drupal.stackexchange.com
sd k
Sorry man, I didn't know. If I'd known you were in the Tavern I wouldn't have said anything, because you obviously know that it's spam.
@JamesENL ...Fair enough
I mean, I have Smokey privs [in some rooms]. I'd like to think I can spot spam.
5:51 AM
Pigeon> can't do
That pigeon is hardcore
@Telkitty Is all of your SO rep from that one question? 0_o
only half
Dang, nice
Woohoo, hat trick on the starboard!
@soup wait why are they using Slack o_O
6:02 AM
balpha becomes a PM, employees use Slack internally... and then this... not looking good for chat
why is it pinned
I wonder how many regulars would SE lose if chats get shut down
Irrelevant messages removed
It does seem to drive up engagement in places.
There's generally always gonna be some sort of chat about the sites
@Shog mentioned in one of his meta posts that before SE had Chat, they did chat stuff over IRC
6:08 AM
...which was much harder to moderate in any effective sense, because it wasn't part of SE.
If SE chat was gone, the per site mods would just make Meta posts with links to Slack or Discord or Skype or whatever
[ SmokeDetector ] All of this user's posts are spam: user 6501994 on stackoverflow.com
why are you mentioning this here @SmokeDetector
It was manually reported in SOCVR, maybe that has something to do with it?
Smokey isn't supposed to mention stuff here like that
6:12 AM
Well I found it helpful
Submit a bug report?
@Quill I think allspam reports are an exception.
is that intended?
@soup trolling much?
Mar 20 at 2:36, by hichris123
Allspam reports will still go through here though. :/ But there's very few of those.
6:15 AM
It would be nice to have a dev just for chat now that balpha has become management
otherwise I'll probably reboot my native SE chat client project for a third time <_<
6:35 AM
...Is it normal for rep lost from a downvote to not be regained when the answer is deleted?
No. Deletion of a post undoes any reputation effects you had from it.
May take a little time, though.
Oh, that explains it
I -1'd all of that allspam guy's posts, and was wondering if it triggered a serial voting alarm or something
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: Missed a connection due delayed baggage by Stephen Godden on travel.stackexchange.com
sd k
Maybe add http://www.flightdelayrefunds.com/ to the list of forbidden URL's
6:45 AM
@QPaysTaxes the mods usually check that kinda thing out
@Quill True.
plus you can also bug @Undo.... ;-) perks of being a public servant
congrats, @soup I am putting you in my list of known trolls, known covert trolls
Active users per month in three rooms: Root Access, Mos Eisley, 2nd Monitor. (Source)
6:58 AM
Shog posted that earlier today in here
Along with a few others
don't panic, @soup, only you and I know that you are a covert troll - you, I and the whole internet
if the whole internet knew, how would that be covert
@Quill It's not like anyone on the internet has friends to tell
why else would soup panic?
Was he making popcorn? He could have had a kernel panic.
Or maybe he was watching a documentary about the military and had a colonel panic
7:22 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: How to investigate why students do not do their homework? by Lqaura Baccuz on academia.stackexchange.com
@QPays what's your timezone?
You seem to be available 24/7.
Which isn't a bad thing.
@TIPS I live in Rainbow Sparkle Land
Which has no daylight savings time, weird "add a second to this year", it's all so simple and carefree
Also I never sleep 8)
@QPaysTaxes brews coffee for @QPaysTaxes
I don't understand why people are using CDNs these days. Who even owns a CDN player anymore?
8:04 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: how to get back photo gallery pictures after factory resetting LG phone? by lesliecart on android.stackexchange.com (@meatball)
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: Restore SMS messages from a rooted phone with a broken screen to an unrooted phone by lesliecart on android.stackexchange.com (@meatball)
sd 2k
A: How can we stir up some activity?

RathonyIt is about time we accepted the inevitable reality that this Q&A site would not work as we expected it to work. It received three questions in June up to now. I don't think this community will survive. What can we do?

come back, capsicum, come back @soup
The Indian Hacker Team is back? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/326718/…
Damn it got deleted
8:19 AM
@rene yay
@rene Screenshot
@rene screenshot for the <10k users, pls mr flower?
@Quill You can't change some people.
Flowers are slow
I see you downvoted it?
8:22 AM
@Bart But I wanna hack SO too
Obviously you're going to teach me how
If you want to hack SO, start posting content of such incredible quality that the influx of new users is too great for the servers to handle.
let's call it Q-DOS. Quality-based Denial of Service.
On some tags that shouldn't be that hard to post content with incredible quality ...
@Bart I'm stuck in the social manipulation phase
8:27 AM
@Bart looks like something is hacked, but it is not SO: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/326722/…
"I would have gotten away with this question too, if it wasn't for that meddling Boltclock"
Since when is BoltClock a Scooby Doo villain?
Boltclock isn't the villain in that case
New Boltclock is boring. I liked the old ShimmerClock more.
9:20 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, link at end of body: klereumcol.com/revitasence/ by alishreumcol on security.stackexchange.com
@Derpy ah, those good old pre-SO days that only exist in your head. Great times.
9:41 AM
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[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in answer, blacklisted website in answer: Network Connection by Dora Britton on superuser.com
sd 2k
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: How to lower the rpm's in small a DC motor by Poop on electronics.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: This answer will repair all? by Gabrie bandi on superuser.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website in answer: Java Will Not Install on Windows 8.1 64x by Virat The Stylish on superuser.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Pattern-matching website in body: One is strength training by joelnaqu on superuser.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website in answer: Where can I find "ghosts"? by Brandon Vaild on gaming.stackexchange.com
10:08 AM
@Bart Actually, BoltClock used to have a Sunset Shimmer avatar for quite a while...
Q: Should the mods close unclear questions?

OokerWhy retain vocabulary when there are dictionaries? I'm not complaining why my question is closed. Let's just say that some people think that it should be closed, and one of those people happens to be a mod. Since the mods don't need to vote to close on a question (because the "vote" will effect ...

Correct title: Should mods use the hammer?
I had a moment of dread while the page loaded, hoping it wasn't me that hammered it <_<
I wonder whether I could hope for a Robert Cartaino answer on that..
10:34 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in answer: Should I lock the door between my garage and my house? by Revathi Sugu on diy.stackexchange.com
@Quill hold on. I'm trying to cause drama.
Obviously it's gonna be a one-sided win-win for me, since I'm always right.
Shog's apprentice, mind you
11:11 AM
11:30 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: Manually cleaning up a threat detected by Sophos Anti-virus? by carter on apple.stackexchange.com
12:08 PM
After all the loans spam on Money.SE, a potential customer is asking a question about it.... How or should I trust this? by Jacqueline Nakato on money.stackexchange.com
@Quill Keep hammering. That's why you are there.
A: Should the mods close unclear questions?

AndyYes, mods should close off topic questions. As it currently stands, this site had 13 users with 500+ reputation, which is when you can vote to close. Three of those users are mods. On a site with only 48 avid users and less than 700 total users, it is important that the mods handle some of the mo...

How come CoGro Musings isn't frozen? Last activity was 15 days ago... is this a bug? /cc @Jon
It hasn't been the full 15 days yet. That's in a few hours.
@Andy but freeze is after 14 days, not 15.
You sure? A room that I unfreeze regularly freezes at the 15 day mark
12:13 PM
But do they count 14*24 hours, or 14 complete days, or...
Well, will wait few more hours then submit a bug report. :)
TIL: room owners can still talk in a frozen room by editing its description.
All rooms should be equal in the face of the Freeze! :D
@soup yeah, saw that in the SO Tavern
Reminds me of @nicael communicating with me while he was suspended... lol
12:29 PM
Communication from beyond the suspension ... woooohhhhhhh ... spooky
@Andy it wasn't me who hammered it <_<
chat has strange dynamics
Should I be concerned if I accidentally ask a duplicate?
@Bart you were around too.... weren't you?
When I almost got suspended as well because of that? ;)
Good times
@Nzall not at all.
12:32 PM
@Nzall yes. If you hear a knock on your door, hide. Don't respond.
Like, I searched, I couldn't really find a question that fit my criteria, I post my question, and 5 minutes later, someone else goes "possible duplicate of X"
Dupes are good, making search easier. @Nzall
Q: Prevent non-moderators from owning private rooms

badpConsider the following: Get a legitimate reason to discuss in private with a moderator. Create a room on chat.SE. You are owner of that room and have full rights over it. Locate an active moderator from a site different than the room's for the private talk. Give him owner access. Invite him for...

chat is borked
Jeff Atwood on November 16, 2010
As Stack Overflow grows -- or any other Q&A; site in the Stack Exchange network, really -- there's a natural pressure to discover and link duplicate questions. The more questions you have, the higher the possibility a given new question isn't in fact a new question, but a duplicate of an older existing question. Because of this, we've continually enhanced the tools for finding, linking, and merging duplicate questions:
12:33 PM
@Nzall on MSE, good chance that's me, lol... like I said: all good. No need to delete.
Do your best to avoid duplicates. But if they happen, don't worry too much. It happens to everyone once in a while.
first define: duplicates
there are a lot of similar questions
@ShadowWizard ¿
My main concern is that, because being flagged as duplicate gets you closer to the question ban status, a user that's not familiar with the exchange might have a couple of questions they post where because of terminology they can't find the original
12:35 PM
Luckily there is just one @Telkitty
@Bart so, your clones: if you could, would you clone an army of yourself?
@Nzall only if you ask duplicates over and over again, which is unlikely if you do your research.
@Telkitty I already have enough of a problem with one of me. So no.
but there would be more you solving those problems too
@Nzall if the question score is not negative, I don't think it counts toward any ban.
12:37 PM
@Bart That's the thing: it's quite easy to miss duplicates on a site the size of SO
@Nzall with your rep and activity on SO, you really shouldn't be worried any more.
For new users you might have a point though.
@Nzall I have yet to see a user getting banned for asking (well written) duplicates. Most of the time the questions themselves are crap, or such blindingly obvious duplicates that there really is no excuse. Don't worry too much.
12:53 PM
I got the feeling clippy would show up <_<
I like clippy though
1:21 PM
oh hey, I spy a Grace Note
that duck is what I look like on buses
You can't just kill clippy.
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website in answer: Am trying to start mining litecoin with litecoin-qt by Brandon Vaild on bitcoin.stackexchange.com
@SmokeDetector k
1:37 PM
beware the offensive flagging @shadow. You may want to remove that picture before someone decides this is a new interesting excuse for flagging.
I've seen it before, but I watched it again:
@Derpy too late. Flagging clippy would be... weird. But guess people can flag anything.
Hey @Shadow
Were you there for the town hall yesterday?
1:56 PM
@Magisch nope. I was bathing my children when it was ongoing. Why?
that's a good excuse - bathing children :p
hmm.... @hichris123 maybe pin the bookmarks of the Town Hall?
@Telkitty yes indeed! Routine must be kept... :D
@ShadowWizard we had a nice discussion about chat and afterwards a handout with shog
[ SmokeDetector ] Shortened URL in body: A level coursework - help request by james_ozz on bicycles.stackexchange.com
@Magisch handout?
2:05 PM
A: Nexus 7 (2012) won't charge or start after a series of problems

Ted Pak​I have a Nexus 7 which has not been charging over 20%. Today I put it in the oven at 50C for 30 mins then took it out and knocked it sharply on the bench a few times. After 3 hours on charged now have 100% charge

@ShadowWizard hangout
Can't tell if serious...
like google hangouts
@bjb568isnotapebble zzZZzzZZzz
2:13 PM
@Quill aha, you never answered.....
@ShadowWizard hangout
I was gonna wait a week
Shog showed us his dogs
@bjb568isnotapebble why are you not a pebble?
why are there so many people who only sleep 5-6 hours a day??
2:16 PM
I only sleep 4 hours a day average
you get more done by doing that
I become a zombie if I do that
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Me am KITTEH!
@Quill o_0
I'm sleeping 9h/day, 'cause I have the time now.
@Quill Not for long. Been there...
2:38 PM
@bjb568isnotapebble that's obvious. Are people mistaking you for a pebble?
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website in answer: Reaching cm (inch) level elevation precision using drones by Gary Mortimer on gis.stackexchange.com
it's interesting to note that MSE appears at the top of /sites, but MSO is much further down
I thought it'd be the other way around
Because MSO split into MSE and MSO a while ago, but MSO existed first
2:52 PM
No, MSE existed first, back when it was called MSO.
the name MSO existed first
@ShadowWizard What do you think would be best, pinning a message with [Town Hall Part 1] [Town Hall Part 2] or pinning the oneboxes?
@soup Yeah, mSO -> mSE and then a new site was created, mSO.
Was Sleeping
unless they've fixed pinning oneboxes to actually show something meaningful I would pin a message.
(just my $0.005)
3:13 PM
Jon Skeet's greatness impressed me so much, that I now think less of my family and friends. So while he may only have directly reached me, the fallout area is much much larger. — Bart 6 hours ago
yay free comment flags
@hichris123 pinning a message with [Town Hall Part 1] [Town Hall Part 2], the onebox will only show a link
@hichris123 hilarious. Got to love that guy
3:30 PM
the guys has obviously been stalking skeet
Everyone does
I stalk some other people ... I don't follow them, I just stalk them whenever I feel like it
If we're not supposed to stalk people why did God invent Facebook?
no facebook account
@KutuluMike If God claims he did, let's meet with the lawyers of Facebook ...
3:34 PM
If stalking is like hunting, facebook must be like a farm.
It's not a farm
Facebook is a global meat provider
I'll guess they sell human meat, looking at their clients
@Unix global meet provider?
me at
In good Dutch they sell gebakken lucht
1 hour later…
4:50 PM
5:30 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: How do I recruit members for a secret society? by dorian on worldbuilding.stackexchange.com
5:53 PM
@hichris123 thanks!
@rene GMP. Much better than Greater Manchester Police. :D
Do they have a meta?
On behalf of Lewis, I'm offended.
Make a complaint?
Or on twitter
6:30 PM
@ShadowWizard Perhaps the server's date is off by a few days?
in C# on Stack Overflow Chat, 55 secs ago, by Jan Dvorak
"Infinite sadness"? I think we have a new name for our tavern duck.
Caching what?
@bwDraco nope, I can smell static contents from 1000 miles away.... ;)
@ShadowWizard Manually updated? Yuck.
Not a developer in industry, so wouldn't know.
6:45 PM
@bwDraco yup, looks like they just throw whole contents into the database
6:58 PM
@ShadowWizard there is also something wrong with the scaling of the images ...
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