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The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

14:00

wow -5 vs +10

Popular Demand

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A: Spelling and Grammar Flag?

you can just use the moderator flag for this -- there's a place where you enter the reason.

Jeff said what?

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But I think I see why, Tim Post makes a great point re: the tag:

would caution against this tag, as someone could ignore it, thus shutting out any question that might not be worded perfectly. And while the 'rules' may say that only the OP can apply that tag, in practice, anyone can and will apply it. Similar to 'homework'. Additionally, as ccomet points out in comments, tags should describe the content and topic of a question, not the quality.

Yi Jiang

@PopularDemand WTF?

Oh, hang on, that was one and a half years ago

Popular Demand

Anyways, there are more, but I don't think anyone will benefit from more links being posted here in chat.

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The second one you posted is closer to @marcog 's idea. I see now why my suggestion of a tag could lead to problems

marcog

14:02

original question (with fail english) has gone up to +2 :)

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

Wait she rolled it back?

marcog

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException No ?

Yi Jiang

I don't think I've seen this before

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

So the edited question (with corrected english) is at +2 ;-)

@YiJiang I just saw the new icon this morning

But, the blog isn't that new. I guess just the link is new?

Yi Jiang

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException The 'new' button should be? I'm not sure

marcog

14:07

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException Yup

Popular Demand

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException The Nick Craver post is newish. As in, it wasn't there yesterday afternoon.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

Oh so the "new" icon means there's a new post in the blog. cool.

I thought it meant the blog itself was new, which it isn't

Popular Demand

I wonder if that indicator will be dynamic; SO already has a login system, after all.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

I don't know why I failed to see that

Yi Jiang

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException Hover over it and you'll see a '8 hours ago' tooltip

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

14:11

@YiJiang Ah. nice

OK well I am off to prepare for and then attend a meeting. I'll catch you all later!

Rebecca Chernoff

14:35

G'morning

Popular Demand

@RebeccaChernoff Hello.

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Morning. So far, no planes has crashed on your airport. Yet.

Rebecca Chernoff

\o/

Pekka

@YiJiang She could do something about airport taxes, though. Those are ridiculously high

Zypher

@YiJiang planes crashing ?

Rebecca Chernoff

14:36

he's playing some game. and named cities in said game after people in chat.

Yi Jiang

@Zypher I renamed a city in the OpenTTD game I'm playing to rchern

Zypher

AHHHH HAHAHAHA

err actually that's a bit creepy

Yi Jiang

Rebecca Chernoff

@Zypher let's go with the second reaction there, shall we?

Pekka

@Zypher yeah. There already was a plane crash at Jeff Atwood

Yi Jiang

14:38

@Zypher Not really. I think I can remember her name on stations better than those generated by the game

@Pekka Two, actually. A giant S fell out of the sky and squashed them or something.

Pekka

> :427413

How do you quote older messages in here?

Rebecca Chernoff

just paste the link to the message

Yi Jiang

@Pekka You need the url

Or if you're using the userscript use the /quote command

Pekka

4 hours ago, by Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Cheers

Zypher

oh god ... i wish i didn't know about that game

i see many more wasted hours in my future

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The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

14:56

Good morning @Rebecca

Keeping @YiJiang 's valuables safe?

(Damn, I closed that screenshot where it showed a trains called Rebecca Chernoff and Tim Stone North)

Yi Jiang

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException Nick Craver's, actually. I just set up a plane service between the two.

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException A train heading to Rebecca Chernoff, actually. I don't think you can rename individual trains

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

One of the two was conspicuously missing in the blog post announcement )-:

@YiJiang Oh, that makes sense

Yi Jiang

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException Yeah, I was wondering about that too. Is she going to get her own blog post?

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

I hope so, you deserve it @Rebecca!

Yi Jiang

Chuburg Springs is such an aweful name. What should I rename it to, hmmmm?

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

15:00

@YiJiang Exception Springs?

Yi Jiang

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException Got it renamed as 'Unhandled Exceptions'. The Unhandled Exception was one char too long

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

haha, sweet

OK, diving into work. I'lkl check in periodically. Very busy day today, important meeting coming up soon!

(Reschuelded from last week)

Michael Mrozek

Reschuelded meetings are the worst

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

this one may be the start of a good partnership for my company so rescheduled is better than canceled!

Yi Jiang

Ah, the realistic acceleration patch is very very good

Pekka

15:07

Yi Jiang

Nov 2 '10 at 14:24, by Yi Jiang

Rebecca Chernoff

Who is this rchern character?

mootinator

Some random twitter user.

Tim Stone

15:32

yawns 'Ello

Michael Mrozek

@RebeccaChernoff You should just change your display name and gravatar simultaneously and see how long it takes for people to realize who you are

(You'll want to avoid things like "(:" and "oy")

Yi Jiang

@MichaelMrozek We'll just make every newcomer smile before they start talking

Tim Stone

> Apparently Nick’s membership to Stack Overflow predates even Jon Skeet’s, but he didn’t get serious about participation until he dropped his World of Warcraft habit.

Hahah, nice

mootinator

(:)

I gave in and bought the Jon Skeet C# bible.

Fosco

15:47

Same here.. it was on sale.

Tim Stone

Good ol' Manning

Speaking of which, today is the 4th, I better have won that iPad.

Yi Jiang

Gah, I made a pretty horrible mistake

Tim Stone

Uh oh

As long as it doesn't involve my city, I'm sure it's OK.

Yi Jiang

I built a intercontinental airport outside Marc, but the problem is that it wasn't a city - about a quarter of the game's towns are designated 'cities', so they have three times other town's growth rate

Tim Stone

:o

Yi Jiang

15:51

I created a feeder system to feed the airport traffic, since it doesn't have enough of it's own from Marc city

Fosco

I'm not sure I want to hear about you 'landing' at Marc's 'airport'...

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Yi Jiang

The problem is that one of the feeder towns turned out to be a city, so now it's even bigger than Marc

mootinator

Is it odd that the #1 thing I'm looking forward to going home for is my coffee maker?

Yi Jiang

And the feeder system is jamming up. (I called that city balpha)

Tim Stone

@mootinator Nah..is it a good coffee maker?

Yi Jiang

15:53

balpha has twice the population of Marc now

mootinator

@TimStone It's a great coffee maker.

Michael Mrozek

Working out that this is a conversation about a game was tricky

Tim Stone

Marc better play catch-up.

Fosco

@MichaelMrozek I hope I didn't help.

Tim Stone

@MichaelMrozek Yeah, this has already led in interesting directions.

@mootinator Well, in that case it's perfectly reasonable.

Yi Jiang

15:56

You know, it's possible to move goods in circles in this game and not create negative profits - on paper at least.

Michael Mrozek

What game is this?

Yi Jiang

@MichaelMrozek OpenTTD

Tim Stone

Hm, my throat is really sore today...just in time for a conference call! \o/ I better not be getting sick...meh.

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@YiJiang Wait so this means you can now /blame balpha ?!?

@TimStone Ug, I hope you feel better. Iwas feeling less-than-great last week, but am doing better this week

Tim Stone

Thanks! I'm not hacking up a lung or anything, so hopefully it'll just pass.

drachenstern

16:03

Bah I hate oversleeping

Tim Stone

Woah, wait, I woke up before you? :P

Yi Jiang

subtraction.com/2011/01/03/stereo-stack

Tim Stone

Just kidding. But yeah, that's uncool. :/

drachenstern

@YiJiang You have actually just learned the truth of city planning

@TimStone No, I had to walk the dogs, shower, and come to the office. I don't turn on my laptop in the mornings or I kill too much time

Yi Jiang

@drachenstern I learned that a long long time ago while playing Sim City 4

Tim Stone

16:06

That seems pretty sensible. I stumble out of bed any immediately am in chat. Perhaps there's a slight problem in my routine, heh.

drachenstern

@YiJiang Well I rather meant the city-to-city aspect, but yeah, SC4 was kind of brutal

Tim Stone

@YiJiang \o/

Yi Jiang

mootinator

@drachenstern That it doesn't work?

drachenstern

@TimStone if it weren't for my meds ... :p

Yi Jiang

16:06

UNFORGETTABLE LISTENING!!!

drachenstern

QFT:

18 secs ago, by mootinator

@drachenstern That it doesn't work?

@YiJiang Thanks Yi, I didn't need to work for a while this morning anyways ;)

tech.slashdot.org/story/11/01/04/1423207/… <-- thoughts opinions?

mootinator

@drachenstern I thought Google was going downhill before @JeffAtwood made it cool. #hipster

drachenstern

lol

mootinator

Waitasec, I'm not on Twitter here.

drachenstern

2theadvocate.com/news/112843019.html <-- Ok, I'm starting to get really nervous now

is a paranoid nutjob anyways

Tim Stone

16:14

Ah yeah, the shocked-to-death birds?

That must have been creepy as hell for people to wake up to.

drachenstern

This is more birds from a different species quite a ways away but still close

Tim Stone

Ah

Fosco

HAARP in action...

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

Yeah. It's creepy to hear on the news, let alone have to see firsthand

drachenstern

@Fosco I think so

Fosco

16:15

Where's my tin-foil?

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

haha

Fosco

They are experimenting on birds before using it on the Republican Congress.

drachenstern

bahahahahah

Tyler Chacha

Hello

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

Hey @Tyler

mootinator

16:18

Bush did it.

Tyler Chacha

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException I'm taking suggestions for new, funny sayings to put as the Tavern description

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@TylerChacha Cool. I'll be thinking of some

Tyler Chacha

13 hours ago, by drachenstern

"The Tavern: If nobody else is working the tap, then you probably should be" ...
"The Tavern: Feel free to talk shop or talk personal, just join in and talk" ...
"The Tavern: Welcome one and all, to the greatest show on Earth" ... <-- no
"The Tavern: If it aint worth sharing ... ahh who are we kidding, come on in" ...

Rebecca Chernoff

@TylerChacha (:

Tyler Chacha

room topic changed to The Tavern (General): A little better than watching Gilligan's Island reruns...

Rebecca Chernoff

16:22

or, ya know, that.

Michael Mrozek

Eep!

Rebecca Chernoff ♦, St. Louis, MO

4.2k 1 5 23

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

Wow!

Tyler Chacha

damn...

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

Still no blue name in chat though

mootinator

scary

Michael Mrozek

16:23

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException Chat only syncs like hourly

Ironically, if she were a chat mod she could force it to sync now

Reno

wow you guys are on here like forever

Michael Mrozek

Our last hour of freedom. Get jokes about @RebeccaChernoff in now while you can

Tim Stone

@MichaelMrozek hides She has the power now!

Tyler Chacha

@Reno Its like watching Gilligan's Island reruns ... just better

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@Reno Yes. yes we are :-)

Michael Mrozek

16:24

@TylerChacha Not much better

Reno

what we need is a youtube video box thingy

Tyler Chacha

@MichaelMrozek Note the description only says "a little better"

Michael Mrozek

@Reno A onebox? There is one

Reno

somewhere on this page

Rebecca Chernoff

@MichaelMrozek hit f5?

Michael Mrozek

16:25

@RebeccaChernoff Oh. That was a short hour

Reno

i mean one that is fixed , not floating

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

OH NOES

I SEE BLUE

SHE DOES HAVE THE POWERS!

Reno

there used to be this thing called youtube streams

Michael Mrozek

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException I'm about 40% sure she always had the powers

Tim Stone

Oh noes!

Rebecca Chernoff

16:25

Logging back out/in seems to trigger it.

Oy, were you all in denial or something?

Michael Mrozek

Ah, interesting

Tyler Chacha

I never really cared..

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@RebeccaChernoff You've known I knew you had the power ever since that unfortunate plumbing incident months ago...

Tyler Chacha

I'm not afraid of @RebeccaChernoff :)

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff I'm always in denial >_>

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

16:27

OK. The time is here. Wish me good fortune!

heads to a meeting

Michael Mrozek

This seems like an opportune moment to kick @TheNeedsMoarJqueryException

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Of course we are! You have no powerrr... gags stttopp forrrccceee chhookkin' mmee... slumps onto the ground

Tim Stone

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException Good luck :P

Leaving for your meetings... shakes head and listens to teleconference on speaker phone

Reno

@YiJiang the force seems strong in this one o_o

Tyler Chacha

The Tavern: Because programmers aren't social, but still need beer.

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The Tavern: Where every 50th message gets a star, no matter what it's about.

drachenstern

16:35

All hail the blue ;)

weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2011/01/03/… <-- anybody else using this?

Michael Mrozek

Oh dear

Rebecca Chernoff ♦, St. Louis, MO

101 1

Tyler Chacha

The Tavern: The longest running community wiki question ever.

2

Tim Stone

@MichaelMrozek The end is near...for you.

Michael Mrozek

@TylerChacha That's actually pretty good

Yi Jiang

yesterday, by Yi Jiang

@MichaelMrozek MOD FIGHT!!!

drachenstern

16:38

@YiJiang is that like the scene near the end of Matrix3?

Tyler Chacha

The Tavern: Talk about Talking about StackOverflow.

Tim Stone

@drachenstern It certainly includes the epic music, yes.

Tyler Chacha

err .. thats a bad one..

Yi Jiang

@drachenstern Hmmmm... although I don't think @RebeccaChernoff is going to assimilate @MichaelMrozek anytime soon

Popular Demand

@YiJiang "yesterday"? Please.

Oct 18 '10 at 17:59, by Popular Demand

Mod fight! Mod fight!

Tim Stone

16:39

I'm not sure if @RebeccaChernoff and @MichaelMrozek can fly, but...

Michael Mrozek

I think you're all confused about the hierarchy; she's a dev, not a mod. She's got scary powers I don't want to know about

Unless they're directed at @PopularDemand. Then I'm fine with them

Popular Demand

@MichaelMrozek I was just thinking about commenting on how she's not blue for me, and I'll just have to never log out starting now.

But I figured she'd just kick me.

drachenstern

@MichaelMrozek nah, we're not confused

Michael Mrozek

She's probably staring at the "erase moderator" button on my profile right now, moving her mouse on it, then off it, then on it again

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Tyler Chacha

The Tavern: Beating dead memes over ... and over... and over again.

Popular Demand

16:42

@MichaelMrozek It's a good thing they have "permaban this user" button, or she wouldn't have any reason to move her mouse off of it.

Tyler Chacha

The Tavern: You can get as many beers as you'd like, but you can never leave.

Michael Mrozek

I'm about four seconds away from just ignoring Chacha completely

Popular Demand

Just hope she doesn't find the "Reduce user's credit score by 50 points" button.

@MichaelMrozek Four seconds before, or four seconds after?

Michael Mrozek

@PopularDemand I've been curious if there's a built-in dev way to modify rep arbitrarily. I've never seen it done

Tyler Chacha

@MichaelMrozek Would you like me to stop trying to be funny?

Michael Mrozek

16:43

@TylerChacha You're saying random Tavern catchphrases, as far as I can tell

I was starting to wonder if you were confusing your browser with a notepad window

drachenstern

walyou.com/scrabble-computer-keyboard-mod

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walyou.com/alchemist-keyboard-mod

source walyou.com/computer-keyboard-mods-designs

14 mins ago, by drachenstern

http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2011/01/03/vs-2010-sp1-beta-and-iis-developer-express.aspx <-- anybody else using this?

now that the tavern has slowed down a notch

Michael Mrozek

I wasn't sure what you meant by "this". VS2010? 2010 SP1? IIS express?

drachenstern

both, SP1 and IIS Express

how's it work compared to "standard VS2010"

I'm thinking to install it on my dev laptop

Tim Stone

17:11

yawns

So I either just wrote the method that I was wasting hours not doing last night in a few minutes, or this will go horribly wrong.

Michael Myers

tries to throw a marshmallow into Tim Stone's mouth while he's yawning

Fosco

:)

Tim Stone

Free food! \o/

Michael Myers

@TimStone By the way, you should never rule out the possibility of both.

Tim Stone

Yeah, that sentence was definitely not constructed entirely how I meant it.

drachenstern

17:15

I imagine that the trick was you slept on it overnight

That usually works out very well for me

Tim Stone

@drachenstern Well, that or I stopped procrastinating.

drachenstern

You should remember Cole's First Rule of Programming** "Be lazy." and the Corollary: "Be just a little more lazy". **(for those who have learned enough to become decent programmers)

@TimStone nah, I prefer the explanation that your subconscious figured it out while you slept.

Tim Stone

I have laziness down to an art form.

Tyler Chacha

Hello

drachenstern

As do I. I wonder how I don't get fired, except I turn out excellent code on schedule and I have fewer programming bugs than some of the others on my team

Tim Stone

17:17

@drachenstern I actually had it figured out before in a vague way and just didn't write it down in code. I mean, it's like ten lines. :P

drachenstern

Now the business logic rules ...

Tim Stone

@drachenstern That's all that really matters. :D

drachenstern

@drachenstern :p I'm still not sure why my explanation doesn't count ;)

@TimStone yeah but I feel silly when I log 1k messages in chat here a week and increase my SO rep

Popular Demand

@TimStone Not until you can convince a reputable university to offer a Laziness History major.

drachenstern

imagine if I were able to just focus on code ...

@PopularDemand bah, historians can't be lazy, there's no art to history

There's an art to writing about history, but not to actual history

Tim Stone

17:18

@drachenstern I haven't increased my SO rep...although I did get an up vote for my Markdown debugging on Meta a bit ago, hooray.

drachenstern

and if you're going to get a degree in writing, it should be a lit degree ;)

Tim Stone

@PopularDemand Hm, that may be tricky

drachenstern

@TimStone I was considering trying to raise my meta rep, but so far it's all been by-the-way rep, any intentional attempt usually results in my getting downmodded

I'm considering instantiating @Pollyanna's method of rep-raise ... :p

Popular Demand

@drachenstern Talk to radp?

drachenstern

@PopularDemand did you see what Pollyan suggested?

> However, if you need to be able to access the higher functions of the site, it is astonishingly easy to get rep here. If you still have problems, flag posts and ask for help from moderators until you have the rep.

I've not found it "astonishingly easy" to get rep on MSO

Tim Stone

17:23

@drachenstern If the right questions come along, it isn't hard.

Popular Demand

@drachenstern I don't get it. Flagging doesn't cause rep gain.

drachenstern

However, there's a caveat that I'm not really trying ...

Tyler Chacha

@drachenstern Then you're doing it wrong..

drachenstern

@PopularDemand I do believe Pollyanna meant that the reps could upvote you

Tim Stone

There are some things that you can easily predict people will be on board with.

drachenstern

17:23

@TylerChacha of course

@TimStone like not raping women and not burning houses down while people are inside them?

Tim Stone

Not uh...where I was going to go with that, but yes.

drachenstern

(I could've been more graphic there but figured that was good enough :p )

@TimStone :p

Popular Demand

Oh look, that's my cue for three more weeks of hibernation.

drachenstern

lmao

Michael Myers

@drachenstern Pollyanna is very smart and very funny. And he's got a girl's name.

Tyler Chacha

17:24

@PopularDemand You're back?

Dang it..

Michael Mrozek

If you answer joke questions or post questions about simple features you'll get rep on meta pretty fast

drachenstern

@MichaelMyers yes I know, makes it trickier to decide to say "he" for the underlying user or "she" for the av...

@MichaelMrozek see :427911

Tyler Chacha

@MichaelMrozek My profile is a testament to that

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Q: Naming the Tavern

I think Popular Demand put it best: It's a well-known fact that all the best taverns follow a specific naming convention. "The Brass Lantern," "The Prancing Pony," "The Drunken Clam," "The Mended Drum,"... they're all "The [Descriptor] [Noun]." Unfortunately, the tavern we're in isn't so bles...

discussion chat poll

27

Q: What is a bad feature of Stack Overflow?

I know that lots of people get help from the site everyday, and in general it is a great site. I love answering questions and getting answers for other knowledgeable programmers. But..... There is probably one feature, one thing about Stack Overflow (or related sites) that gets me annoyed. That...

discussion fun

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Q: The Offical Stack Overflow Bunny

Dear Messrs. and Mesdames, I, Chacha, would like to ask the community of Stack Overflow to acknowledge the following bunny as the official Stack Overflow bunny. This bunny has been responsible for many funny threads, and has been involved in countless efforts to bring laughter to the programmi...

discussion waffles bunnies

Michael Myers

@TylerChacha And mine. With a little common sense thrown in here and there, but not in large doses.

Tyler Chacha

There are two people named Michael in here... this is confusing..

Both of you have similarly colored avatars too..

drachenstern

17:27

@TylerChacha that's where reply-to-line makes it so much easier to follow ;)

Michael Myers

Wait for Michael Petrotta to show up. He was here yesterday.

drachenstern

@MichaelMyers let's summon him ;)

Michael Myers

Jin always calls me Michael Mrozek.

drachenstern

@MichaelPetrotta you have been summoned to chat ...

Tyler Chacha

Luckily, I'm the only person who has a blue avatar..

Tim Stone

17:28

@MichaelMyers I can only imagine what sort of long-term damage this has caused.

drachenstern

@TylerChacha I think I'm the only one with a predominantly orange one too

Tyler Chacha

@drachenstern @waffles has one that is very orange

drachenstern

grrrr

Tyler Chacha

It isn't necessarily orange, but it is a similar shade

drachenstern

oh well it's less orange than mine

mootinator

17:32

Oh no I just pulled out a freakishly long arm hair without considering the nurturing it in order to get a weird world record potential.

Tim Stone

What was I doing?

Ah, right..

@mootinator lmao

That's rather unfortunate, yes..

drachenstern

Who here does PHP regularly?

What's the PHP to check the referer of a request?

Preferably even enough to satisfy "this page was requested by somebody on this site"

Tim Stone

$_SERVER['HTTP_REFERER'] I think.

drachenstern

I know @DanGrossman would know but I don't see him active atm

Dan Grossman

hi

tim's right

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Q: Determining Referer in PHP

What is the most reliable and secure way to determine what page either sent, or called (via AJAX), the current page. I don't want to use the $_SERVER['HTTP_REFERER'], because of the (lack of) reliability, and I need the page being called to only come from requests originating on my site. Edit: ...

php http-referer

drachenstern

17:42

danke schoen

Dan Grossman

if (empty($_SERVER['HTTP_REFERER']) || strpos($_SERVER['HTTP_REFERER'], 'yourdomain.com') !== false) { echo 'probably from your own site (edited)'; }

drachenstern

@DanGrossman cool

Michael Myers

Does anyone else get a twitch when they see "referer" and realize that they can't correct it?

Dan Grossman

Nah, that twitch faded away over the course of 11 years with the language.

drachenstern

Trying to help this gent: stackoverflow.com/questions/4596068/custom-facebook-like-link

@MichaelMyers yes

Michael Myers

17:47

@drachenstern I am intrigued by what Markdown does with ********* (13 stars)

drachenstern

@MichaelMyers hahaha

Michael Myers

It's different here, naturally.

drachenstern

naturlich <-- has rusty German. Don't poke for fear of tetanus

@DanGrossman easy points for you by chance? (since you're the only dev here I know that regularly does PHP) stackoverflow.com/questions/3998528/…

Fosco

I love PHP, but that question is no fun.

drachenstern

@Fosco can't he just post the data across?

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