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drachenstern

18:00

Or even just redirect via server side or something? I'm not entirely sure what's not working for him, seems he has a workable solution

Tyler Chacha

For some reason I've been singing Edleweiss for the last hour..

radp

YAY INTERNETS <3

drachenstern

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Q: Developing a new complex travel website

We need to develop a completely new website for customers to choose a travel product with a contract. It needs to interface to our inventory to take the conference facility, hotel rooms etc. out of inventory once a contract has been signed (e-signature) and deposit paid. If you were starting fr...

wow

Just ... ... ... wow.

Tim Stone

o_o

radp

My feet are freezing.

drachenstern

18:10

-_-

o_o

Tyler Chacha

Maybe it wasn't a good idea to migrate that question..

Fosco

@drachenstern Yeah he has something that works.. If he wants to optimize it 'just because' but doesn't know how, I don't feel compelled to help.

drachenstern

@Fosco agreed there

new behavior found ... a way to escalate a comment score ...

If you upvote on SO, and the question gets migrated to (eg) P.SE after you upvote, and you are on both sites, you can upvote the question again.

Not sure that it's a "bug" per-se

marcog

@TylerChacha Yeah, I was about to comment just as it migrated

People don't fully understand where the distinction between SO / P.SE / close lies

Tyler Chacha

New Blog Post: Code: Reuse and Recycle - chacha102.com/code-reuse-and-recycle

drachenstern

18:17

I just don't think it's a valid question, it's too localized

"We want to write some software, what should we do and how long will it take us"

marcog

@drachenstern Fully agree

Michael Myers

@TylerChacha Agathe von Trapp died last week. :(

drachenstern

@TylerChacha I would include something about diagrams helping to pinpoint places with common code after pseudocoding

Popular Demand

Only 62 Precognitive badges awarded on Programmers SE? Does that seem low to anyone else?

drachenstern

@PopularDemand no

Popular Demand

18:24

Next question, then: is it bad to correct most posts for spelling and grammar?

marcog

@PopularDemand Why would it possibly be bad?

Unless you were unsure about changing the meaning

Popular Demand

@marcog One primary purpose of closing is to keep information concentrated in one place while making it findable by people who use totally different search terms.

If you keep correcting a common misspelling, people who use that misspelling will continue to not be able to find the "destination question."

radp

@PopularDemand isn't Google supposed to fix mispellings?

marcog

@Pollyanna Hmm, interesting point

Michael Myers

@PopularDemand That's a very good point that a lot of people (read: me) don't think about much.

marcog

18:28

How about searching over revision history?

s/Pollyanna/PopularDemand

Popular Demand

@marcog That could work. I wonder how much of a performance hit it would be. And whether it would increase false positives substantially.

Tyler Chacha

Hello

drachenstern

egads how did I manage to start this one?

chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/5/the-so-tavern-general

marcog

@PopularDemand Search the first and current revision if performance is an issue. Rank non-current revision hits lower.

drachenstern

@PopularDemand so in other words SOIS needs to implement a better word-spell-check feature in search?

I concur

radp

18:35

@PopularDemand Google is the search interface :P

drachenstern

Who's going to write this MSO requset up? <-- see we need spelling correction!

Tyler Chacha

What is the request?

marcog

@drachenstern The revision history searching?

I guess I could if people think it's worth discussing

drachenstern

chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/5/the-so-tavern-general

@TylerChacha spelling corrections

Tim Stone

I think what @radp said already kind of trumps the whole discussion. :P

drachenstern

18:38

@marcog no, the spelling corrections on search

Tyler Chacha

@drachenstern Damn you... I wanted you to type it out and I would just quote you..

radp

@TimStone They aren't interested. All they see is an opportunity for more meta reps.

Precious, yummy meta reps.

marcog

@drachenstern Spell correction on search isn't all that easy

drachenstern

my precious repssssss

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@marcog I'm well aware of that

I actually did a full semester undergrad assignment on that

Tim Stone

@radp Ah, then they're already too far gone then.

marcog

18:39

:)

radp

mah reps,
mah reps, mah reps, mah reps,
mah lovely lil' reps
mah reps, mah reps, mah reps,
check 'em out!
(she's got me votiiin')

don't get me going, I could convert the whole song.

drachenstern

@radp I think you're wrong :p (taunt taunt)

radp

I don't think SOIS need more of that.

drachenstern

@radp I thought you were gonna do reps, not hovels

radp

@drachenstern It's a different song. Duh.

Michael Mrozek

18:44

Clicking through seems unwise

drachenstern

bah with the clicking ... hold please

I'm still not seeing reps there

I'm also not seeing anything constructive

Michael Mrozek

I like how that post got starred on chat.SE but flagged here

drachenstern

lol

radp

@MichaelMrozek The relevant video also got starred here I'm sure :)

Popular Demand

What the icosahedrons?

Michael Mrozek

18:47

What is Feeds doing in here? Is that the user that deletes flagged posts?

Michael Myers

Did @TylerChacha just go on a starring spree?

Tim Stone

Hahahah

drachenstern

@PopularDemand I recognize the shape but not the reason for the exclamation

@MichaelMrozek I thought that was a sockpuppet

Tyler Chacha

@MichaelMyers Who me? Couldn't be..

Popular Demand

@drachenstern That was my reaction to the post that just got flag-deleted.

drachenstern

18:50

@PopularDemand what am I missing, how does one know that it got "flag deleted"?

Popular Demand

@MichaelMrozek Nah, Feeds (and Diago) just wanted to join the Orange Avatar Club.

drachenstern

Is this a 10k thing?

Popular Demand

@drachenstern One gets 10k rep and watches the flag counter climb.

drachenstern

@PopularDemand well you should bounty me 1k rep ;)

Popular Demand

@drachenstern I dunno... what've you done for me lately?

drachenstern

18:51

@PopularDemand not been an annoying pain in the neck? :p

Popular Demand

@drachenstern Well, okay, but that's only because I was gone for a few weeks.

drachenstern

If I expected everyone I asked 1k rep for to give it to me .. I would have like 647 rep on MSO

Tim Stone

> 125 right, 3 wrong, 0 ignored, 0 exceptions

So close...argh.

Tyler Chacha

I'm in the Server Fault room. They don't have enough starred posts

drachenstern

Anyone not aware of the new April 18 deadline for IRS see here msnbc.msn.com/id/40911406/ns/business-tax_tactics

Tim Stone

18:58

Ah good, that means that H&R Block will have even more time to do my work for me.

drachenstern

I think for the first time in 14 months my wife and I will finally be keeping both checking accounts positive for a month. yay to getting our expenses in line!

Tim Stone

\o/

drachenstern

Very \o/

I believe one of our members has disappeared ... it's like she turned blue and now has to ... work or something!

Michael Mrozek

Stack Overflow Blog: Welcome Valued Associate Rebecca Chernoff

Jeff Atwood

I’m pleased to announce that we’re kicking off 2011 with even more new blood on the team, including Rebecca Chernoff.

Rebecca will be working remotely for us from Missouri, in a hybrid role of technical evangelist and community coordinator.

If you’ve spent any time at all on our network — and in particular on our (excellent, amazing, best-in-class, choose your superlatives, they all apply) web chat system — you’ve probably run into Rebecca and her unusual backwards smileys at some point. In addition to being one of our very first pro-tem moderators for Webapps, she is apparently everywhere! In fact, when we took informal polls of who from the community we should hire as another community coordinator, she was almost universally at the top of everyone’s list. Including our own list. Yes, she is that cool. …

drachenstern

WOOHOO

Tim Stone

19:07

Bonus points to Jeff for mentioning backwards smilies :P

Michael Mrozek

I wonder if it was intentional for "very cool userscripts" to link to the blog post about chat launching; it seemed like it would link to her github page

Popular Demand

@MichaelMrozek "Welcome to the team, Rebecca Chernoff! It should be apparent to you that we value you just a bit less than we value Nick Craver!"

Hm, are Valued Associates no longer being assigned dehumanizing serial numbers?

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Michael Mrozek

@PopularDemand I was just rechecking the post looking for that

> <Diago> I declare today wrong way smiley day in honor of @RebeccaChernoff promotions (:

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Damn it; I was told that worked if it was cross-site

Michael Myers

@MichaelMrozek Copy-and-paste fail, it would seem.

Tim Stone

@PopularDemand I think they've stepped up to microchipping them.

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drachenstern

19:10

Today I learned what RSS means.

Tweeted by alexia on January 4, 2011 at 8:19 AM

Popular Demand

@TimStone Probably a good idea, given the geographically diverse nature of the team.

Tim Stone

@PopularDemand Naturally. Retrofit Rovio with a locator, set it to stalk mode, and productivity is assured.

Rebecca Chernoff

@PopularDemand o: lol

Popular Demand

@RebeccaChernoff If your first task is "get Rovio a passport," you may want to consider other employment options.

Michael Mrozek

Jeff just tweeted about how distributed the team is now, and linked to a blog post from three months ago; the same one he linked to erroneously in rchern's blog post. He's not doing well with the copy/paste today

radp

19:19

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Fosco

@RebeccaChernoff You got an awesome blog post :) Happy for you!

Michael Petrotta

@drachenstern: "@MichaelPetrotta you have been summoned to chat ..."

oy

drachenstern

lol

it's funny tho :p

it was because of the @-Michael issue

(trying to avoid highlighting any Michael there ;] )

Michael Petrotta

I need to set it up to text me. Chat is top priority

drachenstern

lmao

Michael Petrotta

19:21

yeah, I saw that. I avoid the multiple-Michael issue at work, surprisingly.

Popular Demand

@MichaelPetrotta I think you just volunteered to build the SMS interface to SE chat.

Tim Stone

I should get a Rovio and have it hand-deliver me chat notifications.

Michael Petrotta

I would get lynched.

Tim Stone

Unfortunately that would require me to not be in chat long enough to get said notifications.

radp

@TimStone unpossible, clearly.

drachenstern

19:22

@TimStone yes you should ;)

Rebecca Chernoff

@Fosco thank-ye (:

Pollyanna

Howdy all.

Jin

i need to re-match Tim on WwF...

Tim Stone

@radp I could rely on the fact that if I'm in chat on my phone, I still get multicollider notifications.

drachenstern

Oh we're all happy for you, w'ere just curious when they let you out for lunch and exercise :p

Tim Stone

19:23

I am, oddly enough, always available for WwF ;)

Michael Myers

@Jin Smackdown!

drachenstern

I should probably tend to my WwF's

Michael Myers

Wait, the second "W" isn't capitalized.

radp

@MichaelMyers Words with Friends.

Tim Stone

eyes test code

Michael Myers

19:24

Not World Wrestling Foundation?

Jin

or World Wildlife Foundation

Popular Demand

@Pollyanna Ahoy hoy.

Michael Myers

@Jin Well, that wouldn't be a smackdown.

Tim Stone

@MichaelMyers I dunno, have you ever tried to go one-on-one with a panda?

Michael Myers

@TimStone Kung Fu or otherwise?

Tim Stone

19:26

Either/or, I suppose.

Jin

pandas can be jerks

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Pollyanna

@PopularDemand I couldn't think of a snarky enough answer for your recent spelling question, so I had to resort to logic. Sorry.

drachenstern

Ok I totally agree with Jeff on his latest blogpost

And it's scary

Tim Stone

@Jin Hahahah, wtf.

Michael Myers

@drachenstern At this point I'm going to have to assume you're probably talking about Coding Horror, not the SO blog.

Michael Mrozek

19:28

Oh, that makes more sense

Agreeing about @RebeccaChernoff being a valued member of the community is suspicious

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drachenstern

@MichaelMyers indeed. I didn't think there was much to "totally agree with" on the SO blog :p ... except being exceedingly happy for @RebeccaChernoff to get in with SOIS (cos I predict it's gonna be a great experience for her and I'm jealous :p )

@MichaelMrozek I'll leave that to @YiJiang ;)

Fosco

(: oy

Tim Stone

in The SO Tavern (General) on Stack Overflow Chat, 3 mins ago, by George Stocker

can we get a mod on this guy? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4595859/specific-javascript-reference-manual

Since there's more blue here than there, I think. :P

Michael Mrozek

I hear there's a magic button right on the post for attracting mod attention

Popular Demand

@TimStone He posted to MSO earlier today, too, if I recall correctly.

drachenstern

19:36

@MichaelMrozek I believe the intent was to flag attention less directly

Tim Stone

@PopularDemand Yeah, I seem to remember reading something as well.

Popular Demand

I don't like his question, but he hasn't done anything offensive or spammy. Not sure why we need a mod to jump in.

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Q: Why was my question being closed as subjective and argumentative?

Why was my question being closed as subjective and argumentative? What is your favourite JavaScript reference manual? Just search StackOverflow for "what is your favourite" and you will see hundreds of such questions with tens of votes, even added to community wiki. This is not a flame war q...

discussion vote-to-close close-reasons close

Moshe

My friend just got a 2009 MacBook for $80 with a dead logic board

Pollyanna

@Moshe That sounds like a win.

Moshe

Oh, and hi all.

Popular Demand

19:42

:428425 No complaints.

Moshe

@Pollyanna - It is, IMHO.

Popular Demand

I would like to lodge a complaint about you removing the post I was replying to just as I sent my reply.

Moshe

It would cost $280 to fix at Apple.

So, I told him to fix it.

drachenstern

Who said I was being harsh yesterday on Meta?

Tim Stone

@PopularDemand I actually looked at the questions now and decided that I don't really have a strong opinion on the situation. :P

Moshe

19:43

@drachenstern - I got GitHub really working today. Yay!

drachenstern

@Moshe nice and congrats

Michael Mrozek

@drachenstern I did, and coming from me that's something; I'm rude on meta every day

drachenstern

@MichaelMrozek then hit chat.SO/tavern :p

Moshe

Thanks. Now I have one less excuse why I'm not working on that project.

drachenstern

hold for a link

chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/5/the-so-tavern-general

Tim Stone

19:44

@MichaelMrozek That's why they hired @RebeccaChernoff to make sure you never become a Meta mod.

Pollyanna

@Moshe Congrats on giting with the program.

Michael Mrozek

@TimStone Suckers. She would've done that for free

Moshe

@Pollyanna Heh

Tim Stone

She is pretty crafty, yes..

Rebecca Chernoff

LOL

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

19:45

I have returned

drachenstern

@Pollyanna groan

Moshe

Oh!

drachenstern

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException wb

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

Congrats to @RebeccaChernoff for her blog entry!

Moshe

@RebeccaChernoff is in blue!

drachenstern

19:45

She is indeed

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException she's blogging now too? OMG the world is ending!

Moshe

just noticed

drachenstern

Oh wait, that's in 23 months isn't it?

Moshe

And I just had an idea for a userscript...

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@drachenstern Jeff is blogging about her

drachenstern

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException I know :p the joke was the next part

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

19:46

AHAHAHAAHAHA this is f-ing great

drachenstern

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException your meeting went well we can presume?

you were gone quite a bit of time

Moshe

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException - What meeting?

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

> If you’ve spent any time at all on our network — and in particular on our (excellent, amazing, best-in-class, choose your superlatives, they all apply) web chat system — you’ve probably run into Rebecca and her unusual backwards smileys at some point.

Moshe

Heh

Link?

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@drachenstern I met with our CEO for lunch afterwards. But yes! It went well, thanks.

Stack Overflow Blog: Welcome Valued Associate Rebecca Chernoff

Jeff Atwood

I’m pleased to announce that we’re kicking off 2011 with even more new blood on the team, including Rebecca Chernoff.

Rebecca will be working remotely for us from Missouri, in a hybrid role of technical evangelist and community coordinator.

If you’ve spent any time at all on our network — and in particular on our (excellent, amazing, best-in-class, choose your superlatives, they all apply) web chat system — you’ve probably run into Rebecca and her unusual backwards smileys at some point. In addition to being one of our very first pro-tem moderators for Webapps, she is apparently everywhere! In fact, when we took informal polls of who from the community we should hire as another community coordinator, she was almost universally at the top of everyone’s list, including our own list. Yes, she is that cool. …

drachenstern

19:47

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException YAY! WOOHOO! Awesome, and glad to hear it. Now you're buying us all dinner right?

@Moshe see the bottom of every SOIS page?

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@drachenstern Well no money exchanged hands (yet), but sure, why not. It'll have to be on the cheap though ;-)

drachenstern

it says ... "blog"

Tim Stone

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException Now I'm hungry.

Moshe

@drachenstern - yea,

drachenstern

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException :p I got some frank-n-beans for just such an occasion ;)

Moshe

19:48

well...

drachenstern

@TimStone yeah lunch is late here too ... time to go across the street

Moshe

Erm, how do I do a backwards capital D? @RebeccaChernoff ?

I have a few silly ideas for userscipts, actually.

and no time. ttyl folks!

@drachenstern - enjoy lunch.

Popular Demand

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException Hey, I could somewhat-reasonably hold you to that.

Moshe

(|-:

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@PopularDemand Yes, yes you could

If this works out the way I hope it will, you're all invited for dinner XD

Popular Demand

19:51

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException Now I just have to figure out if it's worth driving seven hours to go to McDonald's with someone from the Internet who's kinda annoyed at having to put his money where his mouth is.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

We still have a few things to hash out however, LOL

Moshe

@PopularDemand - I can't do McDonalds, I keep kosher.

drachenstern

@PopularDemand lmao

Michael Mrozek

I read the blog posts about Nick and rchern and thought to myself "what would Jeff write if I got hired?". I got more depressed as I thought about it and finally concluded I can avoid this problem by never working for SOIS

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@PopularDemand Wait until we close the deal, then I'll upgrade to German food and will lose the annoyance

Tim Stone

19:52

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException Oh good. This will be a nice compliment to my waving at you as I flew over your house the other day.

drachenstern

@Moshe I think you missed the joke, and what happened to ttyl

Pollyanna

@moshe Ɑ:

Tim Stone

@MichaelMrozek We'd have to specially theme the blog post so that it inspired pure fear in the hearts of readers.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

anyone know if markdown works in blog comments?

Michael Mrozek

@TimStone "Michael Mrozek is active on SO sometimes, and is mean to people on meta. And...that's it"

balpha

19:53

we need starring for blog post comments. Just for @LanceRoberts.

Michael Mrozek

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException I don't think so

drachenstern

@MichaelMrozek mine would say "we hired the world's laziest programmer and we're pretty sure he'll be able to help us figure things out before we go under ... but at least he has a nice beard" since my beard isn't online anywhere and I can't show you (which means I should imgurl it)

Tim Stone

@balpha Hahah

drachenstern

testing:

blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/01/…

Popular Demand

@balpha Well, what are you waiting for? Make @RebeccaChernoff get right on that.

drachenstern

19:54

ok, you can at least star it even tho it won't OB :(

Tim Stone

@MichaelMrozek "We were looking for a trusty worth individual to add to the team, so we turned to @MichaelMrozek. What a terrible, terrible mistake that was. Five minutes into being given access to our development environment, he trashed all of our Windows boxes and replaced them with Gentoo. SO will be offline until further notice."

Michael Mrozek

@TimStone I don't know C# either, so we'll have to rewrite SO in C++

Rebecca Chernoff

@balpha haha totally.

Michael Mrozek

(If I ever apply to SOIS, let's keep this whole conversation under wraps)

balpha

@TimStone which reminds me, one day I'll have to try if SO compiles with mono

Tim Stone

19:57

Heheh

drachenstern

@balpha since it's all serverside it should

Unless you're using Drawing ;)

Michael Mrozek

@balpha Just e-mail the code to me, I'll try it

Pollyanna

@balpha You should submit the SOIS engine to the mono project as a test case.

drachenstern

oh but wait, I think you have a member on staff who's had image issues with .NET on servercode who might be able to help ...

Moshe

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Q: One Box Github in chat?

Can we get One Boxing to occur for github links in chat? GitHub is about code and so is SO. I can see the Repo link, name and description being useful in chat. Thoughts?

discussion feature-request chat

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

19:59

@RebeccaChernoff you now need to edit your profile to say "Stack Overflow Valued Associate #000..."

Popular Demand

@TimStone "We wanted to hire someone exceptionally qualified from SO, but nobody near the top of the rep leagues was looking for a job. So we looked for someone qualified, but couldn't find anyone we liked. So we looked for someone who would at least not cause much trouble; again, no luck. So we looked for someone who wasn't named Michael Mrozek, but they all declined. And that leads us to where we are today...."

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