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00:20

Ignore the votes, @Yvette. Try as you might, you'll never reach the lofty bar set by those of us here at SE, Inc. Er. What's the opposite of lofty? Aaanyway... I need a break. I can't imagine you're in any better shape. Go enjoy some nature, listen to the insects scrabble as they build their empires oblivious to their inevitable destruction, consider how similarly foolish all of us must look to those greater. Enjoy your time while you can, don't rush in where angels fear to tread... – Shog9♦

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Evil

00:41

Is there any rule that prevents question in CS to give examples connected with politics?

Journeyman Geek

@Evil CS?

Evil

Computer Science.

Shog9

Evil Computer Science.

Evil

I have recently seen a simple graph question, with bipartite matching, but I am used to names like A1, A2, B1, B2, not like Trump and impeachify, which in my vocabulary looks like very small social engineering. Nothing big, should I ignore it or edit examples?

Shog9

s/Trump/Clinton

...oh, they already used that one too ;-P

way to ruin my joke, Mr Jones

Evil

00:56

@Shog9 Sorry, I do not understand what it means

Gryphon

@Evil It's a joke about American politics.

Shog9

@Evil In all seriousness, I wouldn't bother; it's a light-hearted example and perhaps aids in memorization somehow. If someone complaints, it can be rewritten easily enough.

Evil

@Gryphon thanks

Shog9

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Q: Matching each unique pokemon with a unique move

Background: There are 832 unique Pokemon in the Pokemon universe, and There are 728 fighting moves that the Pokemon can collectively learn. No Pokemon can learn to do every fighting move, and some Pokemon can only learn one. The average Pokemon can learn between 10-30 fighting moves , and Mos...

The question, if anyone's interested

Evil

@Shog9 thank you, just checking.

Journeyman Geek

01:00

@Shog9 with actual pokemon... or fake ones ;p

Evil

Hardcore sed joke ;) didn't realize he would participate

Journeyman Geek

One never expects Shog ;p

LinkBerest

01:51

lol...today's inappropriate ad is just great considering everything going on

LinkBerest

02:03

and one more person who I followed on worldbuilding is gone - man this was not the day to login to SE

Gryphon

Yeah, it's very sad how many people are leaving. I get why they're doing it, but it's sad to see them go.

Journeyman Geek

@Gryphon Its not just how many - its who and why

LinkBerest

yeah, this person was a pretty regular contributor (with some neat questions)

JBH leaving was still the biggest shocker though (outside the firing itself)

HDE 226868

02:19

@LinkBerest As an ex-Interpersonal Skills mod, the irony of SE refusing to change their ad policy does sting me a wee bit. :P

Though to be honest, I would be overjoyed if the biggest issue facing the network right now was ads. I would be over the moon if I could spend the day complaining about ads.

. . . Does that make me a bat? [content warning: article contains large image of wide-eyed bats]

LinkBerest

Well, my answer last August (wow, a whole year of this) and then my question last April after those fiascos should have prepared me more

was still shocked to see JBH walk away

@HDE226868 heh, ain't that the truth

Journeyman Geek

@HDE226868 or the most we had to worry about were OT posts ;p

LinkBerest

Ah, when the worst of the day was: "This looks a better fit for (random SE site here)". OP: "But I asked there and they closed it!"

(assuming as we get that on WB often enough)

Stormblessed

04:11

@RobertColumbia we should allow fun. This post's point is certainly clear in its version that you reverted it away from. — Stormblessed 55 secs ago

Journeyman Geek

04:41

Nice to have normal problems 😆

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

For reference: SE's policy on fun on Meta. It's also worth noting that this post was made in 2012, back when fun was much more likely to be well-received by the community, and the current consensus is to leave these past posts as they are. — Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog 1 min ago

Magisch

05:14

@HDE226868 some kind of dramatic irony eh?

Journeyman Geek

05:30

A Very Satisfying Thump

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(one of my favourite scenes in a TV show ever ;p)

Which is why dealing with spammers is fun :D

rene

06:02

→ 7 messages moved to Chimney

Glorfindel

07:00

@ArtOfCode thank you! This line is just brilliant.

> // Respect backoffs, not just pronouns.

rene

Is anyone surprised if you remove 3 lanes from a 5 lane highway, things might get jammed a bit?

Shadow

@rene yes

The one approving it.

rene

sounds fair

djsmiley2k

07:39

@rene Sounds like the council here

StephanS

drinking game: take a shot every time a new post has the words "Monica", "pronouns", or "CoC"

djsmiley2k

step 1. Go out and do traffic survey, in the middle of half term, in the middle of the day, when traffic is typically at the lowest anyway.
step 2. base all predictions off this 1/2 hour worth of traffic

3. be supprised when on monday morning at 8am things are bad.

rene

Seems plausible

user271002

You can look at practically any part of anything manmade around you and think 'some engineer was frustrated while designing this.' It's a little human connection.

djsmiley2k

lol

Gryphon

07:47

@StephanS I feel like it would be quicker to just stab yourself. The destination is the same, you just get there about five minutes quicker.

Magisch

Nah, you can survive stabbing yourself

you will not survive drinking 2500 shots in a day

djsmiley2k

lol

StephanS

@Magisch not if you're doing it right

Gryphon

@Magisch I've met some people who might.

Some people have alcohol tolerances that are inhuman.

Magisch

That would have to be someone who is physically unable to absorb ethanol at all

Gryphon

07:51

@Magisch Pretty much. I still think I know people like this.

StephanS

@Gryphon we'll get rid of those people by adding the term "freedom of speech" to our list

Gryphon

@StephanS Alternatively, we could add "LGBT". That'd kill anyone.

Shadow

Add "farewell", "thanks for all the fish", and "sorry to see you go" too.

StephanS

@Shadow what a madlad

Shadow

sadlad

Gryphon

07:55

@Shadow Where did the fish thing come from? I'd never seen it before this whole thing blew up, and now it's on every resignation post.

StephanS

this seems like an actual problem

Journeyman Geek

@Gryphon Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy

StephanS

@Gryphon I just noticed that

Shadow

@Gryphon what @Journeyman said

Gryphon

@JourneymanGeek It's been a while since I read those. I should reread them.

Shadow

07:56

@Gryphon true, do it ;)

Gryphon

Now, if I could just find some time to read...

Shadow

@Gryphon sleep one hour less

Gryphon

@Shadow You are operating under the assumption that I sleep.

I'm a university student, so that assumption has some flaws.

StephanS

I asked this on php but no one answered

I'm getting tired of programming to Lofi hip hop. does anyone have a playlist recommendation they code to?

Shadow

@Gryphon actually.... I slept more as university student than I sleep these days.

(5-6 hours vs. 4-5 hours)

Gryphon

07:59

@Shadow What program were you in?

Journeyman Geek

@Shadow so... In class? 😆

Shadow

@Gryphon Math/Computer Science (B. Sc)

@JourneymanGeek that too! but also during nights ;)

StephanS

08:15

the newest post in meta has the words "pronoun", and "CoC", you all know the rules of the game

Gryphon

@StephanS We're all going to die, aren't we.

StephanS

@Gryphon one could hope

I feel like that post is a dup

I don't know if the newest post is a dup of meta.stackexchange.com/questions/334443/…

and meta.stackexchange.com/questions/335439/…

rene

08:34

@StephanS well, it has a tone that seems to want to provoke. I've dupe hammered it for now but has two answers now as well.

Magisch

@rene while you're at it can you put the final cv on meta.stackexchange.com/questions/315638/…

rene

well, done but under pressure

Magisch

someone answered it so I couldn't self-delete no more

StephanS

@rene I find it weird to assume tone in a piece of text, it's like assuming the motivation after looking at a painting

rene

@StephanS I'm just cautious I guess. I've been shown so many comments and posts over the last few weeks that were causing discomfort that I lowered my bar on what I think should be allowed quite a bit.

StephanS

08:47

@rene I don't blame you for that, it's become a crazy, but you're doing a great job. You should relax with some Yorkshire tea, it's fantastic.

either that or chai tea, that stuff is great too, just add cocoa powder and heavy cream.

rene

I had another coffee ...

StephanS

spell check: "it's become a crazy place"

user310756

This still has another ten minutes to upload (Australian internet being so - erm fast) But I thought it might interest people and probably dissuade tourism, but still interesting.

user310756

Baby Red Belly Black Snake hiding under horse feeder. The horse knew it was there, I didn't.

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user310756

I gotta fly - I'm still going through my vids! I come home and watch my horses again :p

user310756

08:58

@RobertHarvey yeh that wasn't meant to be the shit storm that it ended up. I'm putting it behind me. I'm still on a break, but want to share the interesting things in my life. But I'm avoiding reading chat, so dropping in videos and flying out - not to be rude and ignore people, but to stop myself getting involved and causing more chaos. :) Later \o

StephanS

@YvetteColomb Thanks for letting us know, we enjoy your videos, they're fantastic. Now let's talk about filming while driving..... mmmm

user310756

@StephanS me no do that! I use a back drop - it's illegal to handle a phone whilst operating a veh-hi-cle

user310756

I break no laws in the filming of my videos.

user310756

I have quite a few new ones.. there was a motorbike disturbing my horses and they ran away like a group of chickens

user310756

I have another horse who''s much cleverer than me and would not approach her feeder - how did she know a poisonous snake was under it?

user310756

09:01

A short video of my girl - eating next to Bonnie and awary from the snake!

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user310756

I figure we've all been through so much trauma - all sides - all of us. I want to share some better and totally irrelevant things for anyone who is interested. I don't mean to be presumptuous - I'm sure not everyone is interested. But anyways

user310756

anyway I need to leave now and will return with another video on another day \o

StephanS

o/ have a great day!

@YvetteColomb presumptuous? Pish posh, after reading through meta post videos about horses are a lovely thing to help chill out.

something that isn't lovely to see is another inappropriate ad meta.stackexchange.com/questions/335497/…

Magisch

They're using an ad network. If you want an inappropriate ad, use any site they've enabled it on in incognito mode and refresh a couple of times.

StephanS

@Magisch ad networks I've used in the past had settings to let you filter this type of thing

Magisch

09:14

They still do but there isn't one around that isn't incredibly sloppy with categorization

part of why I have adblocker everywhere. There isn't an AD network that isn't regularly hacked, used to spread malware, susceptible to miscategorization, etc.

StephanS

there was a problem with that on acouple of the SE sites

Magisch

The ad networks have no direct incentive not to be crap, because their customers (us) are a captive audience.

StephanS

look if SE what to up their standards for what this site is they should lead by example.

It shouldn't be that hard for the marketing department to find an ad service that lets them green light ads before they go out

spell check: "if SE wants to up their"

Sébastien Renauld

@Magisch I disagree with that, actually; google as an ad provider does a much better job than the competition once you tag your ad desires properly

all hell breaks loose if you allow anything, though, but you'd expect that

StephanS

there has to be a lot of ad services that filter out adult content because sites with the target audience of kids have ads on them

Magisch

09:28

@SébastienRenauld never seen a site that uses google ads that didn't have reprehensible product on their ad selection. Also you probably need a calculator to count how often they've been compromised

@rene heads up: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/335530/…

StephanS

why was this marked as a dup to a younger question, that also had less traffic.......

Sébastien Renauld

@Magisch I have, although the website was large but had a very narrow audience

it allowed them to literally nail the ad selection

OrangeDog

09:44

@SébastienRenauld you'd think an individual SE site would be the same

rene

@Magisch thanks, left a comment

Sébastien Renauld

@OrangeDog Do they not use the same ad setup for all sites?

user1306322

@SébastienRenauld I use the same ad setup for all sites - ublock origin

StephanS

@rene why did I know this was going to happen?

rene

If the argument is: you closed this because you don't like it I'm out.

Sébastien Renauld

09:51

@user1306322 built-in in opera GX

user1306322

is it really?

Sébastien Renauld

Yup

@rene I don't see a similarity either, tbh. I see a broad stroke of "maybe the same" but this question is specific whereas the dupe you linked is generic

user1306322

oooh gamer browser... idk about any of that...

it's a preview

StephanS

No, it was probably closed because questions have just become parodies of an old question

rene

@SébastienRenauld that is a good argument. Go re-open vote it

Sébastien Renauld

09:52

@user1306322 The "gaming" features I actually use for more sane uses. The memory limit is great, for instance, as we both know how webkit behaves re: memory

Not enough rep to do so

rene

get some rep then

user1306322

no idea about webkit, I've been using firefox for >10 years

Sébastien Renauld

Some would argue that locking just because "maybe a long-shot of a duplicate" was the initial problem tbh

@user1306322 I'm waiting for firefox to sort out its memory leaks on the dev version

user1306322

also I've got 8 gigs of ram and ssd for swap so I never notice even if my total memory usage is in tens of gigabytes

@SébastienRenauld what kinds of leaks?

StephanS

@SébastienRenauld I don't know, a specific question can be answered by the generic versions

Sébastien Renauld

09:54

I've been more keen on firefox as well, also because I'm very familiar with servo and the language it is built in

@StephanS No disagreement there; the issue was with the dupehammer

StephanS

gotcha

user1306322

@rene reminds me of game critics comments youtube.com/watch?v=Hnd8NC4YRmA

Sébastien Renauld

If you know you're going to end up voteclosing it with just one vote and it's not a clear duplicate, wouldn't it be better to hold for a token vote or two from other people

rene

Trust me, I know what I'm doing ....

StephanS

idk, my parents told me to never trust a flower

Sébastien Renauld

10:01

I don't know, I'd much rather have, you know, a quorum over a long-shot dupehammer

user1306322

others can reopen, it's fine, the process is already set up and it's working well

StephanS

@SébastienRenauld I mean it wasn't all rene, I'll take some blame. I did suggest it.

2 hours ago, by StephanS

I don't know if the newest post is a dup of https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/334443/does-stack-exchange-insist-on-a-special-language-for-posts-please-describe

user1306322

it was already reopened with another gold badge owner meta.stackexchange.com/posts/335524/revisions

Sébastien Renauld

Case closed then

user1306322

or... reopened

StephanS

10:08

lol

rene

@user1306322 shakes all petals

user1306322

last time that happened I received damage

but you know, I'm as determined as ever to persevere

StephanS

I think Rene is just happy that we're all so bright

user1306322

(glows with cherenkov radiation)

Luuklag

People, I wanted to append a Q and A to the FAQ on the COC, but there seams to be an edit pending already, so unless I magically gain another ˜100 rep I can't suggest the addition. Anyone willing to help in including this comment from Cesar M as an answer, with an appropriate corresponding question? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/334900/…

rene

10:19

@Luuklag that pending edit got 1 approve and 1 reject

so it can go either way

Shadow

@rene famous last words

StephanS

seems like a balanced edit

Shadow

@user1306322 yup, not a dupe.

rene

@Shadow no, this is my last word: Wizard!

Shadow

@rene too late, I won't be around when you'll say it

rene

10:21

I know, I saw

Shadow

Unless you quit before I post my farewell...

(I'm still around until then, kind of Shadow Grace Period)

user1306322

I don't involve myself into close-reopen debates if it's not blatantly obvious anymore

StephanS

@Shadow No!

user1306322

usually when it wrongfully happened to be was because I asked an obscure question which nobody can quickly judge if it's a dupe or not, so they just close and err on the side of "if the user doesn't care, all the less work for the reviewers"

I dislike that approach as a user but I can't disagree with its usefulness to the current state of the community

it's the same as nuking entire comment threads if only a couple are derailing and 80% of it is fine

feels bad but keeps things afloat

we don't live in an ideal society unfortunately :p

StephanS

SegmentFault is starting to look better and better each day

user1306322

10:29

@StephanS is that one of the proposed but unused names for SO back when it was founded?

StephanS

@user1306322 it's the Chinese clone of SE cough cough I mean a totally original idea and is brilliant

user1306322

(idk about anything chinese at the moment considering current controversies with corporations and states, if that wasn't a joke)

oh it's a real site but it doesn't load for me

StephanS

google.com/…:

user1306322

yea that's as much as I could scour google for any preview, a tiny jpeg

not even a cached version loads

Luuklag

@StephanS It's design looks an awfull lot like that of SE. It loads for me btw.

user1306322

10:34

see, availability is a concern :p

I remember when the government banned github which lasted for like 6 hours, clearly realized all of its infrastructure depended on developers being able to access it

StephanS

@Luuklag what do you mean it's totally original, it's design was so groundbreaking it set the standard for QnA website design 10 years before it came out, SE copied it.

Shadow

@StephanS No! to what?

user1306322

to you leaving, one would presume

Shadow

@user1306322 these days I try to assume less than before... :)

Journeyman Geek

@StephanS ....

user1306322

10:39

I dropped the usage of the word "assume" in favor of "presume" to avoid unnecessary ass jokes

StephanS

"I post my farewell"

Journeyman Geek

Actually SO was kind of .... heavily inspired by another Q&A site which ... made a very different set of mistakes....

Ever heard of folks talk about experts-exchange AKA the hyphen site?

Magisch

a paywall doesnt sound so bad right now does it

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch eh, that's what EE did

Shadow

@Luuklag doesn't load for me

Journeyman Geek

10:40

the accessibility to information is pretty critical

Shadow

@user1306322 my ass jokes are better. :D

@StephanS get hired to SE as CEO, put end to that saga and I'll stay.

@StephanS according to Wikipedia, the other way around

Copy to China

Copy to China (C2C or C to C) refers to when a company in China copies the business model of a successful foreign company, especially web and other IT companies. Such companies have often been very successful, out-competing the foreign company on the Chinese market. The degree of copying varies, from simply offering a directly competing service to closely mimicking the look and feel and name as pronounced in Chinese. It is a common topic of discussion how the Chinese IT industry can move beyond simple copying and localization into more innovation. == List of C2C companies == These companies are...

China copied a restaurant from Israeli chef.

Same name. Same dishes. Exactly.

rene

Same taste?

Shadow

@rene can't know, surely not. ;)

user1306322

reminds me how swear words got turned into asterisks on battlenet forums except for the word "ass" because you couldn't normally mention or discuss the expansion class Assassin

Magisch

This is partly because copyright infringement against foreign companies isn't illegal in china

Shadow

10:44

@user1306322 whole word only? They forgot that exists? lol

"Ass Ass in the bath" could be legit

StephanS

@rene I heard they both used the same php cookbook

user1306322

people called her assy for short

"SSin" was discouraged

rene

I'm pretty sure I can put the Librije signature dish on the menu of "de febo" ...

user1306322

those classic forums exist only in our memories now

so many hours wasted discussing nothing particular :p

rene

@StephanS awful ...

StephanS

10:46

:P

Shadow

@user1306322 ASP Free Forums

WAG thread with over 40000 posts.

That's classic.

All ended when the forums were bought by some internet giant.

They tried to make the forums profitable and guess what happened?

user1306322

do profitable forums even exist?

OrangeDog

Java Programming Forum still sends me an email on my birthday

Shadow

@user1306322 only where matter and antimatter coexist peacefully. ;)

user1306322

I don't even check my email lol

OrangeDog

10:48

If only "close as duplicate" had been a thing over there

StephanS

@user1306322 yahoo answers

Shadow

@OrangeDog that's the least of a forum/Q&A problem

user1306322

(checks email: a life's worth of unread spam messages; closes email)

OrangeDog

"you need to run it on the event-dispatch thread"

user1306322

I don't know if I ever want to use a forum again

Shadow

10:50

@user1306322 actually by some magic spam rate in my mailbox is decreasing over time.

I don't ever get Viagra spam anymore. :(

StephanS

spam phone calls are the new thing

user1306322

I'd guess sending emails like that needs to be supported by either someone or something, and tech just dies over the years and people forget to update the spam configs/lists, so that's why it decreases over time

I hear spam phone calls are a big issue in US

bigger than anywhere else in the world apparently

OrangeDog

I don't ever recall any spam email get past GMail's filters

StephanS

it sucks because I'm the type of person that answers every phone call I get

user1306322

it's weird that they haven't enabled a whitelist-only call reception system

OrangeDog

10:52

@user1306322 my phone has this option

user1306322

problem with this being done at the phone level is you can easily get ddosed

StephanS

more then 50% of calls made in the US are spam

Shadow

@StephanS ouch

user1306322

mobile network carriers have provided this feature for extra pay here for decades actually but it's a pain to set up coz you gotta use those complicated asterisk-pound codes

Sklivvz

@Shog9 has the ads team decided to stop bothering to answer these questions? 12h and no answer...
https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/335497/todays-inappropriate-ad-playboy-model-on-biology

user1306322

10:54

and what are you gonna do - add 70 phones numbers like that manually? that's not convenient at all

OrangeDog

@Sklivvz it may have exactly missed their working hours

Magisch

I mean they do come in every day

StephanS

yeah I'm not paying to have people not call me

user1306322

12 hours is not enough time imo, let's at least wait for a full 24h

messengers have it figured out - people send you "friend requests" which you can sift through and accept only the ones you're expecting and set the "who can call me" to "friends only"

it should be exactly the same with phones but it isn't, coz it's an archaic construct

there are mobile plans with only internet and no phone call minutes included

OrangeDog

"911 has not accepted your friend request"

user1306322

10:57

or they charge a ridiculous rate per minute

Sklivvz

12h is an eternity for not correcting shit ads like that

I could not care less about their work hours, the damage their ads do is 24/7

Magisch

@Sklivvz go on any ad enabled SE site incognito and refresh a couple times, you'll get it too

Sklivvz

Compare with "the site is down, but it's out of my work hours"

StephanS

@Sklivvz people don't get payed to care

Sklivvz

Compare with "we have spam on site"... that lasts minutes. Spam ads... 12h?

OrangeDog

10:59

if you want the ad team to be on-call 24h you'll need to click on more ads to pay for them

Sklivvz

@StephanS if they don't care, why should I care they are sleeping?

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