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06:02
Hello
12 hours ago, by Tyler Chacha
I've scrolled to the top and not a single message has been starred. That is truly incredible..
It's happening again..
@TylerChacha Eh?
Hows it going @GeorgeMarian? Back from Holidays?
'Ello @TylerChacha, @GeorgeMarian
@TylerChacha Nah, I've just been busy with the holidays and mostly lurking in here.
06:06
@MarcGravell How ya doing?
heh hey @TimStone
@MarcGravell Breaking more chats? ;)
heya all; back for my first "proper" day's work since xmas invaded my nice orderly home
I'm busy breaking the moderator dashboard first, then I'll get right on breaking chats
Heheh, did you have an enjoyable (though seemingly hectic) holiday? :)
06:14
@MarcGravell There is a very critical bug with the Moderation Dashboard
@MarcGravell The bug is ... I can't see it......
Didn't you already make that joke before? :P
Reuse and Recycle
Note 'Reduce' is not listed..
The code is written to also be a drop in replacement for the 10k flags page - just needs some sanity checking
@MarcGravell Does that mean the 10k page will look nicer?
Can we get keyboard shortcuts for the moderation page?
what shortcuts would you need?
06:17
Quite a while ago (11 days to be exact) I asked on meta.SO if there's a possibility of seeing any year-end statistics for the SE sites besides SO, like what was posted on the SO blog a couple weeks ago. Quite a few people seem to like the idea, but there has been literally no response from the SO team, in support or against the suggestion. Any idea if this will ever happen? Can we get some sort of status update on whether this is in the works or just not happening or completely overlooked?
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Q: 2010 analytics for all Stack Exchange sites

nhinkleThe 2010 analytics data posted on the Stack Overflow blog recently were very interesting. It would be nice however to see this sort of data for all of the Stack Exchange sites, or at least for all of the original trilogy. Would it be possible for the Stack Exchange team to provide this informatio...

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@nhinkle I'll ask...
[o] Expand
That way we can go through and look at content in a more efficient manner
@MarcGravell, thanks. Sorry for the hassle. Usually there's a pretty quick response on SO for this sort of thing, so it's surprising to have heard nothing. We from the other SE sites appreciate it :)
06:19
@MarcGravell Also, I can't flag a post from the moderation page, but I can look at the content..
Therefore, if I'm able to look at the content, I'm able to judge whether it needs to be flagged. Thus I should be able to flag it
it does make sense to include that option - a bit like /review does
Also, can you make an easter egg that if you down-vote Jon Skeet, random parts of the site are replaced by the word 'thingadongdong'
is this change reflexive? how about if you downvote "thingadongdong", random parts of Jon Skeet are replaced?
I have a strange feeling that he wouldn't like that.
06:28
lulz
@RebeccaChernoff I'm thinking at some point we should probably take a look at the userscript as a whole and figure out how we might tidy it up. Of course, if you'd really rather go to extensions, I guess that might not be worthwhile.
I think it would be anyway. If we go the extensions route, I'd picture the userscript itself existing and then just ui's that present options to the user being browser specific for however the extension needs to be built?
Hm, that's true. :) In that case we'll have to pick a good point to break from adding new stuff. ;)
Right...
|:
Hehe
What, have you gone and added 20 more features in the last half hour? Hahah, but I was thinking maybe once we have this notification stuff sorted out or something, unless you had anything else big planned. On a semi-related note, I checked some changes into my repository, so I'll probably take care of the pull in the morning (trying to do other stuff before I forget, and want to make sure I didn't forget any changes).
06:37
The only other thing I plan on adding is explicit notification + onebox support.
My regex didn't work when we tested the other night.
Or something related to the check if not the regex.
What do you mean as far as explicit notification support?
Well right now it just looks for .mention inside of .message. If you explicitly reply to a message with content that gets oneboxed, there is no .mention, so it doesn't trigger a desktop notification.
Ah, gotcha.
A regular explicit reply is ok because that will have the .mention element. It's just when it is a onebox.
still toying with adding chrome notifications to the main script; then it will rock as an app-shortcut
06:40
:o
o:
lol @TimStone
Copycat! ;)
@MarcGravell If you want the code, take a look at the userscript hehe.
Or at least, hackish code. >_<
Marc going behind our backs to add awesome things to the chat that he created, for shame!
Oh health insurance application, why will you not allow me to enter my birthday?
All the new tabs that the chat creates when you click on just about anything is not kind with a desktop shortcut.
06:42
well, I imagine we'd hook in at a different place, and we'd have things like user-prefs to worry about - so we know when to (or not to) bring up the "request permission" bar...
Well you only need the request permission bar once per domain.
Yeah, doing a livequery on the DOM is definitely not the most effective way to get the notifications. I wanted to hook into the event responses, but I didn't toy around much with what @RebeccaChernoff did yet. :P
true, true...
@TimStone Well, as usual, I went for the quick and dirty route. >_<
Hey, it works and it's cool, so it's all good. \o/
06:45
Hehe.
Hmm, I just glanced at the clock and thought that I needed to get to bed because I needed to wake up for work. Bad Rebecca!
Heheh
Yeah, you need to work on completely trashing your sleep schedule so that when you do have work to go back to you'll be completely unprepared ;)
07:15
Oh, it's already past 2...hrm.
'tis indeed!
For those in less than stellar time zones. (:
I'm not sure that best is less than stellar, but yes.
hi everyone.. just wondering what the new high lighted questions are about??
(the light yellow highlights on the questions)
@giddy You added a tag to the 'interesting tags' list, so the system highlights all questions with those tags
07:25
@TimStone If it's any consolation, I would be in bed, but I have to wait for the soup to cool down so I can put it in the fridge.
hah! lol i see. true. its the first time ive set my interesting tags.
Yah, it's the interesting tags.
and I thought it was a new feature =P
@GeorgeMarian I should be finishing up work, but my brain isn't functioning properly at the moment.
If you don't set any interesting/ignored tags, then I believe they've written logic that figures one out for you, so people could be seeing highlighting without ever setting anything.
07:26
@RebeccaChernoff Yes
@TimStone Sometimes, it's best to leave it alone for a while. I've done lots of great work late at night and I've also caused lots of work late at night. :)
thanks guys! =)
I think I just have to write a few more lines, but I might cave and watch TV instead, heh. But yeah, I know what you mean.
and when you say TV, do you mean Minecraft or NFS? (:
07:31
@RebeccaChernoff I could play NFS (Well, not the one I was playing, as I've pretty much completely beaten it now), but I was thinking about actually watching TV, what with the sleepiness and such.
So, I finally took the dive into python. I ended up in Django. Now, I have to find my way into GTK. /shudder
I also just realized that I only ate once today, and that makes me sad.
Ah ha, good stuff. I've yet to fully take that plunge, mainly due to being busy with other things.
It's pretty nice. There are some oddities, but I like it. I haven't dome much, but so far the strict white space hasn't been an issue.
07:33
That's what I like to hear :)
Django also seems pretty cool. I futzed with the templating a bit. What can I say? I like the idea of one template extending another. :)
Ah yeah, Play! does its templating like that too, at least in the sense that you say that some content extends some other content.
I like it. I like it a lot. It makes it easy to create a shell and fill it.
yawns Alright, time to go lay down and take care of that whole TV thing. I'll either get a second burst of energy and be back to code, or I'll pass out, which seems a bit more likely at the moment. ;)
@TimStone Heh. Good luck with that and g'night.
07:41
Thanks, see everyone later. Also, someone feed @YiJiang while I'm gone, he's over there in the Sandbox asking for cheeseburgers. :P
07:54
@TimStone Ha!
 
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09:18
Sigh. I still get logged out.
Morning gents.
Let's try using a non-Google OpenID :|
mumbles Stupid Yahoo.
mumbles This better not work.
@radp Ha! Cursing the Internet gods will only make things worse :P
@YiJiang Yahoo is an internet god?
A fallen god at best.
@radp Used to be
YES! I got logged out.
Take that Yahoo.
@radp Not sure why you'd want to be happy - it indicates a problem with the StackAuth login system
09:34
@YiJiang ...well at least that means I was right about that.
Not my connection, not my OpenID provider, not the moon phase
I mean, if the problem had been with Google, it'd have been fixed sometime in 2015
Now instead I can bunny poke @Marc to death...
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@radp You're right! @MarcGravell needs to hear about this!
You must be logged in to bunny poke @Marc Gravell
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what've I done now?
09:55
I hate downvote rampages based on incorrect comments!
@MarcGravell Bad choice of username you have there, I'm getting all your pings. ;-P
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Q: Stack Exchange Chat logs me out every 3 minutes

radpI tried to log in via the ghetto login button, via StackAuth on the room list, via StackAuth on the login page, via StackAuth after logging in and out of a SE site (SF), via the 'chat' button on Gaming... ...but no matter what I do, today I'm consistently being logged out. The 5 minutes figure ...

@marcog whoops :) sorry.
@radp No worries :)
@marcog Sorry, I'll change my name
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ok ok, taking another look at that damned asldkhfslfdkj jilfdsjgsldfkjglkfdsjg lkfdjg lkdfsgkljdflg logout issue
@MarcGravell How kind of you
10:11
@MarcGravell I suggest "Rebecca"
@radp Chernoff is equally good. Better, even!
@MarcGravell would you like me to try logging in some more times for your diagnostic pleasure?
feel free, but I don't have any special logging for you at the moment ;p
this is such a brain-ache issue
Dunno why other room notification suddenly fails now...
core? or user-script?
10:27
@MarcGravell Userscript - mine. That was part debugging message
(leaves users to script themselves silly)
Leaving two windows open like this, then talking in one and waiting for the notification to turn up is weird
/blames @MarcGravell for not providing an API
the DOM should be good enough for everybodyâ„¢
@radp Without XMLHttpRequest, chat is nothing
and jQuery.
Don't forget about jQuery
@YiJiang you can use the DOM to insert arbitrary response nodes in your page! hides
10:34
@radp Erm...
that's the basis for <script> injection when XHR origin policies get in the way, yes?
(I think that, instead of replying to @YiJiang's erms, I should instead star them and pretend they were valuable internet currency instead. Then I think this room can do with just one valuable internet currency, @RebeccaChernoff's oy, and that I should leave it at that.)
You don't want to have arguments about how many oys is an erm worth, right?
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Q: Add paging for user activity section

wafflesI'm curious, are people interested in paging on the recent activity page?

Woot! [status-complete] at last
@radp Possibly, but the market rates are made up on the spot and are generally accepted to be correct, so it's not that big of an issue
11:18
Did you know that Cyrillic has a letter for "Oy"? Ѹ
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@Pekka If this doesn't deserve a pin, I don't know what does.
11:36
Uk () is a letter of the early Cyrillic alphabet. It was originally a digraph of and or less frequently , a letterform called digraph uk. To save space, it was often written as a vertical ligature (), monograph uk. In modern times, has been replaced by the simple у. In later manuscript, the digraph uk has three case: lowercase , uppercase , and an all-caps form which is used in all-capitals titles, . Borrowing from Greek Both the horizontal and the vertical digraph were borrowed from the Greek alphabet. The Greek ligature is frequently found in Greek medieval manuscripts and ...
Dammit! All the Ѹ's are gone! We demand a fix for this @MarcGravell!!
11:58
groans
12:22
setInterval( function () {$("#input").text(Math.random()); $("#sayit-button").click()}, 5000) and setInterval( function() { $(".pending a").last().click() }, 1000) are not enough to keep me logged in :(
Quick test - anyone around who might be able to reply / mention me?
@MarcGravell
@MarcGravell halp! edit test
Cool - desktop notifications (in Chrome) now available in the core build. Back to keeping @badp logged in...
Hehe... but won't that means that @RebeccaChernoff's script would actually double notify unless you turn one off?
hmmm... I wonder if I need to remove some formatting...
@YiJiang perhaps, but ultimately that is a user-script issue
12:26
@MarcGravell So when is it coming out? And what options are you defining for it? Also, is other room messages supported?
hi @Marc bold italics
@YiJiang when: when you reload; options: which would you like? other-room: should be - will validate
(validated)
12:54
Hello
@spoulson Evening
@YiJiang Morning
13:10
woo, I can has notifications.
@MarcGravell You give the "enable desktop notification" message to logged out users too
d'oh! fixing
Does @-mentions like Blah@Feeds work?
blah@YiJiang
@radp It does, apparently
@MarcGravell Receive desktop notifications for: [ ] Moderator flags, [ ] Offensive flags, [ ] mentions
13:25
But does it work on mobile safari?
Good Whatever, everyone.
@drachenstern which "it"?
@radp test
@radp test
@radp self reply/mention isn't necessarily going to happen
@radp which is one reason I'm handy; isn't that right @Marc?
13:34
> You were mentioned by Marc Gravell @radp which is one reason I'm handy; isn't that right @Marc?
Your Feeds shenanigans don't work via notifications!
(that, or two people's @replies get merged in one notification with the former's title and the latter's message.)
oh, that
I edited it as me; I don't have a UI for editing as other people
@MarcGravell That was an interesting reality check.
14:03
there's no 'disable desktop notifications' option?
@Fosco The browser itself gives you that. We could also possibly add a user-preference if needeed
@MarcGravell The problem is that the browser will (AFAIK) never ask again, so if you only need to momentarily turn it off...
will look at
where does my browser (Chrome) give me this option?
@Fosco I'm not sure if there's a global option available, but the site will need to ask for your permission before it can do the desktop notification
14:15
ok since you pinged me, there was an option on the notification to access the settings... turned them off
@YiJiang I need to see if this works cross-room. How about edits.
Gah!
14:33
hello
is there anyway to include a link with parenthesis in it?
example:
@PedroLoureiro You need to encode it
In an object-oriented programming language encapsulation is used to refer to one of two related but distinct notions, and sometimes to the combination thereof: * A language mechanism for restricting access to some of the object's components. * A language construct that facilitates the bundling of data with the methods operating on that data. Programming language researchers and academics generally use the first meaning alone or in combination with the second as a distinguishing feature of object oriented programming. The second definition is motivated by the fact that in many OOP language...
manually? :x
sorry.. I didn't mean to actually link to the page
@PedroLoureiro I'm sure there are online tools to do it for you
Eric Meyer, of all people :P
14:35
but I guess it should be integrated with the composer :)
hmm
that makes it as http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FEncapsulation_(object-oriented_programming)
which doesn't work
@PedroLoureiro Not really very easy, since you can't tell legitimate end of line ) from those in the URL
Hmm... well anyway you should only need to replace that last ) - use %29 instead would work I think
Hmmm... copying that URL causes Firefox to encode the two brackets for me automatically
yay!
it worked1
:D
thanks
14:51
So much to do, so little time to sleep.. yawns
@MarcGravell Sorry, was getting ready for work, desktop mentions from either the userscript or the "chat infrastructure"
@MarcGravell Oh you should totally do that for debug for yourself, plus it would be fun to spring on people on Friday's :p
Somebody @ me? Pretty please, wanna check something
@drachenstern sure
@TimStone bah, just goto bed ... :p
Ok, I think I like rcherns better than marcs ... sorry guys. Also, @MarcGravell how long does yours take to go away? Must I click on it?
@drachenstern There's a little x button that should dismiss it
Yeah, but that's hardly helpful IMever-soHO
edits double it
14:58
@MarcGravell Presumably this second notification is your doing, so can we shorten the title text to "Reply from <user>:", and have it disappear after a while? :)
That's what I'm getting at!
And we know he's lurking ;)
lul, "Serious Putty"? Seems like Randall's a little off today ...
This is really cool though, means that I can sneak it out of the userscript.
@TimStone not till he fixes it :p
Did you see the mouse over? :P
on what?
15:01
the xkcd
Serious puTTY :P
Yes, still didn't feel it was that funny
Impact ... really?
for a terminal window? It's not even a good fixed width font!
@drachenstern You mean you actually know of a good bold monospaced font? :P
@YiJiang I barely know of a good monospaced font ;)
Anyway, the Prism app is done. Some things are still a little weird, but it should work pretty well I think
15:04
So I've been hearing you talk about this prism app, what is it? got a linky?
Ironically, with the apt gotten version of Prism I now have file association with .webapp files, on a platform which the docs say should not work with
I just love this stupid error message, makes it so tricky to figure out just what broke:
XML Parsing Error: no element found
Location: REDACTED.com/…
Line Number 1, Column 1:


^
So I think I'm gonna block two people on twitter and facebook simultaneously. Think they'll notice?
naaah
Hang on, I'll drop a copy onto my Dropbox. I think I might still want to polish it up a little
You'll need the Prism add-on for Firefox, or the standalone app thingadongdong
15:20
> To All Students, All network services are up and operational again. Our apologies for any inconvenience this may cause.
Always annoying when the network goes back up, yes...
Well they can't very well send you an email while it's down can they? Altho that would be an ultimate case of CYA
Well, presumably they're apologising for any inconvenience the outage may have caused, but they didn't say that, so. :P
The Prism bundle
Oops... I forgot to remove the Firebug Lite getScript from the JavaScript file there
Ah well... it can't do any harm. I'll go remove it
Then I'll wait
Updated. Same file
15:28
@TimStone well yeah I noticed that. I personally would've delivered a copy of the email to each local mailbox as a CYA hey you're getting this mail while the networks down, sorry you can't read it. PS: the network is down.
There's a version of Greasemonkey that runs on Prism. Hang on while I restart Firefox...
So if ~50% of the userbase runs that version, and about ~1/3 of the supernodes were on that version of skype, then that means that probably another ~1/3 of the supernodes were on the copies of skype that weren't that version, which means that skype is responsible in it's datacenter for probably roughly ~1/3 of the supernodes for skype in the first place. Since we can estimate how many users use skype (we know how many are online at any one time yes?) then we know something ...
what it is we know I'm not really sure just yet, but interesting stuff nonetheless
Here's the repo for the GM for Prism thingadongdong: github.com/teramako/greasemonkey-for-prism
Since I'm on Ubuntu right now I thought I might as well pull a copy and build it
So prism lets you build a framed webapp as a desktop app, so pretty much what chrome did with their version of the same thing then?
Since I use my FX for my daily testing for our core product, I'm not gonna disrupt that config further than I already have so I'll have to lookit later
starred for finding ;)
15:37
@drachenstern Yeah, except that I looked at the ability for Prism to bundle a set of js and CSS files, and tried to make use of those
when did @MarcGravell leave and is he gonna fix our chatnotification? wah wah wah
Yup, GM works! \o/
I'll drop the xpi file into my dropbox too
Greasemonkey .xpi file: dl.dropbox.com/u/1722364/…
15:51
yawns
@RebeccaChernoff Good morning my sleeping beauty :P
morning sleepyhead (@yijiang :p)
lol, jinx
@RebeccaChernoff How often do you update the userscript on stackflair.com?
Oh, erm, not in a while. q:
I've just been linking people to the repo
15:53
@RebeccaChernoff Geesh... that's the link I give out to people, ya know?
But hrm, I guess the pinned messages still have that eh?
@RebeccaChernoff Yup
in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, Nov 9 at 22:04, by Yi Jiang
Keyboard shortcuts and IRC-like /commands for chat: Install Link and Github site
just put a redirect 301 on those scripts to the github locale
Brilliant. Grrr... @MarcGravell
Um, ok, so I see @MarcGravell added notifications, but, uh, do they go away??
15:54
errr, not a 301 probably
@RebeccaChernoff no, sadly, they do not
see :418236 ish
Kinda like that a feature from the userscript is being integrated into core. Really do not like it not aging away. >_<
Yeah I don't care for that omission, but glad for you that a feature became mainlined ;)
@RebeccaChernoff Go and bunny poke @MarcGravell. With a stick.
I think you just did...
ah-ha, a 302 redirect says "for now go there, but keep checking here in the future"
I think @MarcGravell is sleeping ... hmmm
15:56
@RebeccaChernoff But hey, one is never enough, right? ;)
Tis the middle of the afternoon for him!
@drachenstern When I should be sleeping? Nah!
@YiJiang lol, during the nighttime of course
Hrm. No way to get Chrome to show me userscript notifications and not core notifications.
@RebeccaChernoff well he surely isn't removing that offending bit of code is he? ;) ... I believe the fade-out code has already been written and tested, and just needs to be integrated in. Even if he left it for 30 seconds or a minute, so long as the growl left I would be ok
@RebeccaChernoff yeah, I considered that too earlier, sadly not
15:58
Moving the chat Prism to a new workspace should improve my productivity by ten folds :P
Now I just need to create one for SO and SE chat and offshore those to Prism too
Wonder if he looked at the userscript at all. (:
Hmm, I should probably post on Meta about the Keyboard Shortcut script. Nothing is really happening with it as I don't know what to change really. Seems fine enough for me for a v1.
@RebeccaChernoff Want an ad for the Open Source sidebar thingadongdong?
16:03
keyboard shortcut script?
what's it do?
We're near the deadline here though. I thought I saw some of those ads online already.
Adds keyboard shortcuts (;
Deadline?
lol, you don't say. what do those keyboard shortcuts do?
q:
keyboard navigation for SE sites.
got a 20 second keyboard pitch?
16:04
@RebeccaChernoff The OSS sidebar ad thing has a deadline if you want the ads to be displayed in the first half of next year
do you mean I can wasd myself to bliss?
If not it'll be second half of next year, which would be a pretty long wait
is it in the github readme?
@YiJiang Oh, hrm. I had not pondered this.
Someone should really contribute to that script and cleanup the look of that dialog. q:
16:05
Given that I'm already seeing ads from the question, I'm not sure if that deadline has already been passed
Also remember the required number of votes
Why do I suddenly feel eyes partly roving over me? hmmm
@YiJiang I have no idea how it works.
Link?
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Q: Open Source Advertising - Sidebar - 2H 2010

Robert CartainoIt's time once again to support your favorite open source project through our Free Vote-Based Advertising for Open Source Projects. We are clearing the leader boards to start the second half of 2010 anew. Here is your chance to create a Free Vote-Based Advertisement for an Open Source Project. C...

@drachenstern Haha, I didn't necessarily mean you, though you did say last night you wanted to be #4 (;
lol, I see :p ;) I'mma take a look at it right now ... maybe have some ideas quickly
grrr, I want that window to fade out!!!
16:08
@YiJiang Seems like that was for 2H 2010, not 1H 2011...
@RebeccaChernoff Admittedly, I'm not quite sure how that thing works either
I mean, that's how I thought the thing worked
Robert Cartaino

It’s time once again to support your favorite open source project through our Free Vote-Based Advertising for Open Source Projects. We are clearing the leader boards to start the second half of 2010 anew.

For the past six months, Stack Overflow has been providing free advertising for open source projects. For those of you who missed it the last time around, this is a true, grass roots movement for programmers to publicize their favorite open source projects. Users create the ads, users vote for their favorites, and Stack Overflow features them in a sidebar ad slot. …

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I think once an ad post gets 6 votes, it starts appearing as an ad. And the 2H 2010 period started 6/11 and goes for about 6 months.
@RebeccaChernoff Which means that the next one will be starting soon
So it would seem. (:
Hmmm... do you want one for the scripts?
16:11
Yeah, would be cool.
16:47
I just crashed Firefox by writing out a simple script into my console that progressively loads new pages in the mod tools...
I thought 12 pages would be a good number of pages to load, but apparently not
Heh. Nice edit, yo. (;
Can someone else try to reproduce this so I don't feel like it's just me? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/73467/…
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Q: Able to vote on comments for a deleted question

George StockerI'm able to vote on comments to deleted answers on deleted questions. The proof, as they say, is in the pudding: I did this multiple times in this post, in fact the "4" with the upvote is another one I just did in the post, but I had forgotten to take a screenshot before I did it. I also ma...

Not 10K, sorry. ):
@GeorgeStocker Yup. I can too. I'm not sure if that's [by-design] though
Are you 10K On any site, Reb?
Thanks Yi.
16:52
@GeorgeStocker She's mod on WA, hmmm
It doesn't seem like it should be [by-design]
Well, mod on WA yeah.
@GeorgeStocker True, given that the question comments are locked
Hang on, isn't that because Bill locked the question?
Yea, but since it's deleted, we shouldn't be able to vote on it.
16:56
@GeorgeStocker I just tried - you can do it on unlocked questions too
unlocked/deleted questions?
@GeorgeStocker Only spam/offensive deletes are auto-locked I think, so those deleted by three 10k'er aren't locked. I think
When you try to upvote a deleted answer, you get a 'Hey, you can't do that, this post is deleted' but not for comments.
@GeorgeStocker correct, has been that way for some time
Also I commented on the post in meta, cos that's what I think is going on ...

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