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4:05 PM

I hate integration some days ... why the hell can't all the vendors give us techs a channel to talk on and just say "company X has privileges to A,B,C. make it happen"

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Rebecca Chernoff

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Hell, I'm not even sure I'm allowed to do what I was told to do ...

@radp Really, if you need to make sure if you're logged in, can't you at least do it in the Sandbox?

> The REDACTED access does not include access to their database and/or REDACTED/ALSO-REDACTED server. This access cannot be granted and is stated in the REDACTED contract.

4:13 PM

@YiJiang It wasn't a way to make sure I was logged in

@radp Was it you falling asleep on the keyboard?

oh snap, gg new guy

@jzd Hide. NOW.

@jzd no, just my venting

meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/73383/-1

I see

4:22 PM

@radp yeah it was lost on me ;)

I don't know why, but the preferences don't seem to stick

Rebecca Chernoff

preferences?

@RebeccaChernoff The last part of the Prism app - you've got to at least have a way of controlling these stuff, no?

Rebecca Chernoff

Oh, Prism. Was I supposed to read your mind? (;

@RebeccaChernoff What, Marc's BrainSuck 2000 interface malfunctioning already? :P

Rebecca Chernoff

4:28 PM

Heh.

Urgh... of course. slaps myself Stupid stupid error

Rebecca Chernoff

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Gah! Still not working!

Well that was another stupid mistake. Now it's working

okay, enough hot login action for today

bhphotovideo.com/c/product/672787-REG/…

holy crap

4:43 PM

...actually I'll try one last time from an incognito session.

ROWR

@drachenstern That is ridiculously cheap... though for balance they just have to pop a Monster cable product in the 'Recommended accessory' box

lol

It is indeed ridiculously cheap, hence why I pointed it out ;)

Why would you want to buy a cable that's a quarter as expensive as the HDD?

BECAUSE WHAT IF YOU NEED IT

4:46 PM

I'm particularly baffled by the answers to this question:

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Q: Reduce the HTTP Requests of 1000 images?

I know this question might sound a little bit crazy, but I tough that maybe someone could come up with a smart idea: Imagine you have 1000 thumbnail images on a single HTML page. The image size is about 5-10 kb. Is there a way to load all images in a single request? Somehow zip all images into...

image http request reduce

And not because mine was any good either.

@radp a 2.2m long usb to miniusb cable?

@YiJiang GOLD PLATED AND SEALED IN A PROTECTED ATMOSPHERE

@radp A gold plated USB cable... that's like... man I can't think of any analogies for that

Rather because 3 different people referred to a giant composite image as a 'CSS Sprite' even though that has nothing to do with CSS unless you're planning to select a specific region to view.

Wait till they start selling gold plated fibre optic cables though

4:49 PM

@mootinator Think it's possible to embed images in a multi-part HTTP response? like an email?

@mootinator The technique, in front end web dev, is known as CSS Sprites

Turns out global auth doesn't work at all under incognito

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@YiJiang That's what I was going to say

@YiJiang I get it.

Rebecca Chernoff

@radp Not surprised. Incognito doesn't store cookies.

4:52 PM

But I reserve the right to be baffled by something having nothing to do with CSS being referred to as CSS something.

@mootinator oh, well that's different then isn't it?

@mootinator ... because it relies on the background-position CSS property?

@YiJiang no because people forgot about other names for collapsed images

@RebeccaChernoff Doesn't it? I mean, at least session cookies? If not you can't actually log in any more under incognito, right?

@YiJiang If it did, I wouldn't be baffled :)

4:54 PM

@RebeccaChernoff wrong -- it stored, but temporarily

@mootinator Well then I'm not sure what you're talking about here

Rebecca Chernoff

yeah, wasn't thinking. doesn't store them to the hdd beyond the window closing

@RebeccaChernoff wrong -- it stored, but temporarily

@drachenstern Cultural differences. Nowadays web devs haven't consistently followed traditional computer science learning paths. e.g. It's not real hard to get started with PHP/HTML copy/pasting. One day someone "discovers" how to do CSS sprites...

@YiJiang Making a "CSS Sprite" but displaying the entire image rather than selecting the visible area using CSS.

4:56 PM

@spoulson oh I'm familiar, I was trying to nail down @mootinator's point

@RebeccaChernoff wrong -- it stored, but temporarily

Rebecca Chernoff

Maybe it is that localStorage is disabled in Incognito mode?

At the very least that wouldn't be persisted, but hrm.

@mootinator Well yes but that's not what the OP wanted, isn't it?

@drachenstern Whereas someone who previously coded, say, C++ Windows apps before, would probably be more familiar with computer graphics concepts to know better than name it "CSS sprites".

@YiJiang I suppose it's hard to pin down exactly what the OP wanted.

4:59 PM

@spoulson scratch head It's just a name - like erm... suckerfish dropdown menus

Anyhoo.

I'm going to assume the lack of e-mail from my client means I have resolved the problem, and can resume my regularly scheduled vacation.

waves

@YiJiang But CSS sprites have little to do with CSS, other than CSS uses the approach of collapsed images.

Hello

@RebeccaChernoff wrong -- it stored, but temporarily

@YiJiang I'm ok with the term, but I agree it's poorly named after its usage pattern, not the design pattern.

5:10 PM

I've scrolled to the top and not a single message has been starred. That is truly incredible..

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FTFY

We currently have 120k messages and 4.5k stars. That means on average every 26th message gets starred..

@TylerChacha No, that's the number of stars, not the number of starred messages

The 'show all 2379' link here should be more correct

Not sure if this was on purpose, but that's a decent gauge of active participants.

ok .. every 50.441th message

5:12 PM

A lurker might not say a word, but may star things from time to time.

the .441 is also known as 'oy'

@spoulson I don't agree - the JavaScript room sees plenty of activity, but the stars are much much fewer

gotta love when you look at a users table and see the field "AUTHTYPE" and all of the entries say "PLAIN"

@spoulson as with all things on MSO, things here are not as they seem. Other places treat it as it should be treated. Here we make our own rules.

@YiJiang I see. But in the least, it's a positive indicator, not necessarily a negative one.

@spoulson that's true, but the only negative indicator I can imagine is "32 days since last message"

5:15 PM

@drachenstern The room would've been frozen by then :P

Rebecca Chernoff

@YiJiang That's because that plenty of activity is generated drivel. (;

Of course that would mean that WW3 has occurred and only took about 30 days to resolve and everyone's internet to come back up and the SOIS servers never went down

@YiJiang hence my point ;)

Sep 24 at 20:02, by Chacha102

> Remember, MSO is for the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels... The Round Pegs in the Square Holes, the ones who see things differently.

Sep 24 at 20:02, by Chacha102

> We're not fond of rules, and we have no respect for the status quo... You can praise us, disagree with us, quote us, disbelieve us, glorify or vilify us.

Sep 24 at 20:02, by Chacha102

> About the only thing you can't do is ignore us.

So noone's written an SE chat bot yet?

Sep 24 at 20:03, by Chacha102

> Because we change things

5:16 PM

@RebeccaChernoff No, because a lot of the messagesa re back and forth debugging

I bet it could be done in a Greasemonkey script.

@spoulson There's already one in the JavaScript room - go play with it

Rebecca Chernoff

@YiJiang Not any time I look in there. ):

@spoulson I think that if we did that @JeffAtwood or @MarcGravell would get mad at us ... ;)

@drachenstern ain't that the beauty of it?

5:16 PM

@radp of course, just pointing out a disparity ;)

Do not anger the gods of SE

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Do not meddle in the affairs of SOIS, for they are subtle and quick to anger ...

A back and forth debugging session

11 hours ago, 38 minutes total – 47 messages, 3 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked 7 secs ago by Yi Jiang

Because you don't look - duh

Rebecca Chernoff

I said not when I look in there...

Was my wording unclear?

You're right. I don't look while sleeping. (;

Whoever was it that Jeff was expressing frustration about a "hacker" on SO beta back in the podcast days?

5:19 PM

@RebeccaChernoff I'm making the point that you're not qualified to make that statement because you don't look in there often enough

Someone supposedly found a vulnerability and exploited it on the site, but I don't recall what it was.

Rebecca Chernoff

And you're qualified to know how often I do look?

@RebeccaChernoff points at the hidden telecamera under the monitor

hmmm @ :416948 and :416946 ... you two place nice

@RebeccaChernoff No, that you're not qualified to make comments on how much of the messages in the JS room is drivel, as you put it

Rebecca Chernoff

5:21 PM

@YiJiang, it is my opinion. Nowhere have I indicated it was fact. I'm entitled to voice my opinions.

@RebeccaChernoff And which I think I'm entitled to rebuke

New Post on the parts of URLs: chacha102.com/uniform-resource-locator

Rebecca Chernoff

You are entitled to voice your opinion. But if your opinion is that I'm "not qualified to make comments"...well....what I'm saying is that I am entitled to make comments. You're making it seem like what you're saying is based on some fact or system that "I'm not entitled". When really it is just your opinion that you want me to stfu. Heh.

(Another subject all of you probably know all too well)

Rebecca Chernoff

Anyways, lunch time! (:

5:25 PM

Again I think that you're focusing on too many audiences ...

I am just one man

I am entitled to skip over the entire conversation and post lolcats instead.

I'm just writing about what I know..

for instance: Because URLs can contain letters that don’t play nice with HTML <-- why don't they play nice with HTML?

@RebeccaChernoff No, I'm saying that you're not qualified to make those comments because you don't frequent the js room, which if you did, you might have picked out the fact that, you know things other than poking at the bot actually happens

@YiJiang I'm pretty sure she said she was done with the conversation in :416960 and that now is the time to drop it politely...

:416968 xenvideo.com/images/robots/actroid.jpg

Also note:

An Actroid is a humanoid robot and android with strong visual human-likeness developed by Osaka University and manufactured by Kokoro Company Ltd. (the animatronics division of Sanrio). It was first unveiled at the 2003 International Robot Exhibition in Tokyo, Japan. Several different versions of the product have been produced since then. In most cases, the robot's appearance has been modeled after an average young woman of Japanese descent. The Actroid woman is a pioneer example of a real machine similar to imagined machines called by the science fiction terms android or gynoid, so ...

5:29 PM

@drachenstern :|

oh it was a valid response to what you posted then redacted :p

and I was trying to inject a modicum of levity into this room for a few moments ;)

and if anybody else got your post, they'll see the humor there ;)

I'm so curious to see where the XXX market takes those things in the future. Will they only be sex-toys or will they go further than that. Cos you know it's gonna be porn that drives those into the mainstream.

@drachenstern I'm pretty sure only the Japanese are that obsessed with their robots

Also, what's the word on copulation with animatronic children? I hope it's illegal, but I don't know if the statutes cover it. Please tell me it's on the books as being illegal... (I only really care about the entire world, because no child should be subject to that, and no adult should think "oh, I can get away with that cos it's a robot") ... everywhere

@YiJiang I don't think you know people very well :p

@YiJiang also, have you read Asimov's Robot series?

@drachenstern I agree with you on the audience thing. I fixed up that section with more info

@drachenstern Of course! But so very removed from reality, I'm afraid

5:34 PM

@TylerChacha :p I didn't mean that, I just meant I think you waver on your writing style. Trying to give you an honest critique versus "oh yeah, looks great" ... I would want an honest critique

@YiJiang is it? I wonder. I think remote viewing may happen in our lifetimes

maybe not tactile holography

The Caves of Steel on the other hand, that may be a bit of a stretch

but the Auroran lifestyle isn't too far fetched

@drachenstern I don't see anything remotely approaching the positronic brain - those human-like androids they have right now are no more than puppets

hey! You put up the white theme (or my browser is broken)

@YiJiang that was a given, that there would be no positronic brain, I think he couldn't comprehend (or was before) moore's law

Otherwise it's all a matter of programming and "nerve hookups"

it'll happen

Tyler did you post your white theme?

The same thing happens with the & <-- the appropriate way to URL encode this would be? ;)

6:02 PM

You people and your trying to blame @radp for his connection problems. shakes head

@TimStone I CAN HAS TEH SESSIONS BACKSIES!

LOLCATS FOR EVERYONE!

Rebecca Chernoff

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(please go find them on your own. My connection still sucks.)

Rebecca Chernoff

):

I found the source of your error @radp

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6:06 PM

Told you it'd fix itself :P but I think Marc thought that issue was fixed, so meh.

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We've got someone working on it!

It's weird having this room open in two places - the notifications from the Prism app appear before the messages pop up here

@TimStone Nevermind -- my celebrations were premature.

I have to go now. My planet needs me

is in line at Chil-fil-a

6:08 PM

@TimStone Nevermind -- my celebrations were premature.

:(

You can keep the lolcats though!

Hooray! \o/

Why do you scroll so oddly mobile chat? :|

Took me a second to realize that Tim was talking about a restaurant

because of the keep pinned to bottom

click the don't stay on bottom

6:10 PM

@TimStone Just turn it off

Rebecca Chernoff

I love "stay on bottom" on my iphone

@RebeccaChernoff I sometimes love it, and sometimes hate it

I pretty much hate it when I'm first coming on after a few hours away (you guys r chatty :p )

Rebecca Chernoff

Well yeah if you're catching up, but isn't that obvious? |:

Geesh, you guys talk so inconsistently (goes off to set up a constant stream of messages in the Sandbox instead)

@drachenstern that button is so painful to reach, being by design outside the pinned viewport

6:14 PM

I don't have the stay on bottom on, tyvm :p

I'm gonna go back to eating, see you guys later (again)

@TimStone no mobile safari?

@RebeccaChernoff :p

fffffffoooooooooodooooooood

brb

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Ahh dammit. VS2010 crashes again

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Apparently IE5.5's JS engine was faster than IE6 and 7! Fancy that...

6:48 PM

Ah ha! I finally got one of these again while surfing wikipedia:

en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:220.255.2.22

7:05 PM

<~ Quite upset. Hiding from a con artist who is stalking him and keeps creating new IM accounts.

@DanGrossman your therapist friend? :)

no

high functioning deviously insane people are scary.

I actually want to move since she knows where I live

7:22 PM

Restraining order won't be sufficient?

or no verifiable reason for one?

Not yet.

7:33 PM

So I've never been to Quora, thought today I would check it out after the TC article, and so signing up, it enforces that your real name can't be the same as the first part of your email address, or else it requires two parts to your name. WTF? You're going to tell me what my name is or isn't? Hmmm...

Rebecca Chernoff

rofl

That sounds weird. It let me sign up with dan@dangrossman.info, which has my name in the name and domain

I want it to be drachenstern as my visible name, imagine that

reckon any other sites that let me do that?

Did you put one or two names (ie, Dan Grossman or just Dan)

Dan Grossman. Quora is all about identity. No anonymity, no pseudonyms.

and my identity, as I have discussed here before, is drachenstern

7:36 PM

Isn't it Cole Brand?

there is very unlikely to ever be another White English-speaking, American idiot who wants to use that name, or at least, not in my youth-lifetime, which is the lifetime I give this site

Ah, that's the legal name I carry, but on the interwebs, where there is no singular legal authority, all my deeds to date have been done under the identity drachenstern

If you want to go by a pseudonym, you have to use other sites, that's just the role they want to play

I don't do things on the internet under Cole Brand except on Facebook (or in the "from" field on most emails since I use them for school/work uses)

I did however set it to Drachenstern LastNameHere with no problem.

hehe

i guess i couldn't use quora with fosco at fosco dot com

Try it, lemme know

7:41 PM

meh.. i don't even know what Quora is.

I'll play with it some more later tonight

the most interesting Q&A site on the web today

Is it? How is it the most interesting?

Or is that the tagline?

Because of the people that have answered questions on it. I've never come across a site with more answers by CEOs of companies, famous early employees, and generally interesting people

@DanGrossman Blasphemy!

7:44 PM

quora.com/…

Hi all, more personal problems?

quora.com/What-does-it-feel-like-to-be-stupid

indeed

lates

8:24 PM

Could someone compare/contrast SE to Quora?

Is there a reward?

They're both Q&A platforms. SE sites serve individual topics, Quora is general. SE focuses on answers and uses voting to determine validation, Quora focuses on answers whose authors you can vet for validation.

Aside from that, the goals are pretty similar

Why do some people prefer Quora to StackExchange? quora.com/Why-do-some-people-prefer-Quora-to-StackExchange

Is StackExchange going to fail? quora.com/Is-StackExchange-going-to-fail

Rebecca Chernoff

Anybody remember if @Moshe got the chat userscript working in Safari? I think he did...

Quora is definitely a basis source for asking why people prefer it over Stack Exchange.

8:47 PM

Maybe I'll go see a movie tonight to get my mind off things for an hour or two

9:42 PM

Anyone wana find a bug?

projects.102content.com/login/stack.html

If you press enter on any field it won't submit

However, projects.102content.com is basically the same code, but only with one text box, and it works fine

10:01 PM

nvm

If you have more than one input, most browser require you to have a submit button to submit on enter

Chrome plugin for http://chat.stackexchange.com - @rchern has added many nice features http://bit.ly/dMR7Sv

Tweeted by SuperDalgas on December 28, 2010 at 8:15 PM

spreading the love

Rebecca Chernoff

(:

Was just replying to you hehe

10:29 PM

Ripper (video game)

Ripper is a 1996 FMV adventure computer game developed by Take-Two Interactive, and released for DOS-based personal computers. The game has a cast that includes celebrities such as Christopher Walken, Scott Cohen, Tahnee Welch, Burgess Meredith, Karen Allen, David Patrick Kelly, John Rhys-Davies, Jimmie Walker, Anna Levine and Paul Giamatti. It also featured the hit Blue Öyster Cult song "(Don't Fear) The Reaper". It was notable in that there was no definite canonical answer on who the villain would be, since this was decided by the game at random, out of the main characters. Clues an...

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Q: Why AskUbuntu has disappeared from the StackExchange sites?

Browsing http://stackexchange.com/sites I can't find AskUbuntu and calling SE API sites route does not return anything related to Ubuntu. Do you know why?

Vengeance

Shhh, you're leaking SE's first major acquisition!!

Rebecca Chernoff

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Quora and the merits of shark jumping (Fortune)
http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2010/12/28/quora-and-the-merits-of-shark-jumping/

Hey, can I get feedback on a design?

(sans the submit button)

projects.102content.com/login/stack.html

10:42 PM

cool

Did you type anything in?

yeah, I think the interface is neat looking

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Q: Front End Plugin API for Chat

TalkerApp has a very interesting feature, users can create little javascript extensions that allow them to extend chat. This would allow for stuff like extended oneboxing, syntax highlighting, sys tray notifications, keyboard shortcuts and so on. As it stands users have already started extend...

feature-request chat extension

@RebeccaChernoff is the famous "script" installable via a chrome plugin yet?

Rebecca Chernoff

Errr, has been for months. (;

It isn't a plugin. It's just a userscript. You don't need greasemonkey or anything in Chrome. Just download it and Chrome will pick it up.

what do you mean you download it?

Rebecca Chernoff

10:56 PM

Click this link in Chrome: github.com/rchern/StackExchangeScripts/raw/master/…

so I have to click on the 5 scripts?

Rebecca Chernoff

The ones you want, yes. They're individual userscripts.

so this is the one with the @waffles goodness?

Rebecca Chernoff

The way they are now as simple userscripts, the same script can be run in all the browsers.

Chrome extensions, Firefox plugins...then we're talking things that require browser specific code.

Yes, SEChatModifications is the chat one. (:

can you @waffles me ... would like to see how this works :)

10:59 PM

needs a catchy name

Rebecca Chernoff

@waffles Did you click the button?

no love :(

Rebecca Chernoff

but really, did you click the button? (;

it does not seem to be working

yes

Rebecca Chernoff

And then at the top did you ok it when it asked for permissions?

11:00 PM

@RebeccaChernoff - Yes, I did - see mosheberman.com/wordpress/?p=284

I even blogged about it :D

Rebecca Chernoff

Hehe. I was pretty sure you had. Was just checking before listing off compatibility in my tweet.

Oh, @waffles, step 1 is did you refresh after installing?

Well, a link to my blog would be nice :D

Rebecca Chernoff

and then click desktop @mentions over -------------------------------------vvvvvvvvvvish

lol

can you try a mention again ... I just quit everything and restarted

Rebecca Chernoff

@Moshe Actually, a good place for a link to your blog would be here: github.com/rchern/StackExchangeScripts/wiki/Install

@waffles, yo

11:03 PM

ahhh ... desktop @mentions .... that button should go away at some point :)

yay it works !

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone said he fixed that, but he hasn't pushed that change yet. grumbles q:

@RebeccaChernoff I still think this would be cooler ... meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/73409/… ... makes updating the scripts so much easier

Rebecca Chernoff

Yeah, that's the bummer about userscripts vs extensions/plugins. No auto-updating. ):

I use the chrome run as desktop app thing ... but there is no clean way of going to the room list

Rebecca Chernoff

Type /list and hit enter (;

hehe

11:08 PM

yeah that is cool ...

how do I disable number central on the right hand side of messages ?

Rebecca Chernoff

I've been looking into what kind of maintenance nightmare it would be to do a Chrome extension and a Firefox plugin based on the same underlying userscript.

I really think that's the way it needs to go. Plus it allows for supporting options.

@waffles Yeah...you can't per ^^.

Well ... thats why my suggestion on meta is SO much better than either extensions of user scripts

Rebecca Chernoff

Until @TimStone wrote the keyboard navigation, the numbers were the keyboard support way. (;

Yeah, I'm looking at it.

you could use localstorage for options ... and handle it from javascript

Rebecca Chernoff

Yeah, have thought about that.

11:11 PM

then have something like /option disable_annoying_numbers

Rebecca Chernoff

When I first started this thing, it was just for me so that I could have the numbers on the right and be able to do :<id> to do replies to people. It kind of, um, exploded.

So it is kind of a mish-mash of things from Tim, Yi, and I.

Kind of feeling like it needs a reorganization or some blending to make it a bit more....hrm not sure what adjective I want to use.

all Im saying is that talker app already solved this and we should be stealing :) talker.tenderapp.com/kb/api/frontend-plugin-api

Rebecca Chernoff

At first glance this looks like something more for balpharc?

yeah ... but unless that feature request on meta gets some serious traction, there is no chance this would be built :)

Rebecca Chernoff

But don't you have to use their actual chat app? Or am I misunderstanding?

11:23 PM

did you read meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/73409/… ?

Rebecca Chernoff

Yes?

Oh. All but the last part. >_<

@waffles so you're envisioning this as the server would include javascript based on the plugins a user has in their account preferences and then it would work on any browser independent of whether it supported userscripts, such as Mobile Safari?

exactly ... user settings ... then you can select from a list a existing scripts ... serving the scrips is pretty trivial ... its just that management of the script repo that is tricky

Rebecca Chernoff

quality control, conflicting options

I'm intrigued.

meh ... firefox have always had that issue with plugins ... its not such a big one, users leave comments on the crappy plugins

Rebecca Chernoff

11:38 PM

browser compatibility is still an issue though. desktop notifications...

sure ... but so what ... you can have scripts that are browser specific ... and you can make sure your script does not explode on non-compatible browsers

Rebecca Chernoff

Just trying to play devil's advocate.

We've asked for backend-api stuff, not just front-end like this.

I'm not doubting there is 2-4 weeks of work for such a feature ... but it would be very very powerful

Rebecca Chernoff

mm

hehe ... I like this trick ... var id = this.id.replace("message-", "");

Rebecca Chernoff

11:46 PM

Oh, and dependencies between plugins

dependencies would be a v3 thing :)

Rebecca Chernoff

q:

Why stop at just chat? Let's do a front-end api for the sites too! (:

well .... I would argue that chat is a better candidate. its kind of critical we have the same look and feel for our core product ..

also chat is so much more javascript heavy

@waffles Psh. That's what you think

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Rebecca Chernoff

@waffles and yet there are a bunch of userscripts for the sites too.

(;

11:52 PM

hehe ... well chat is a much better place to experiment with this :)

Rebecca Chernoff

See, if I had known my tiny userscript with one option would explode like it did, I might have been a bit smarter about it and done something that was similar to this.

is not too smart. >_<

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