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1:16 AM

@drachenstern I do, I just have stay on bottom disabled. The chat still scrolls weirdly when you submit messages though.

@RebeccaChernoff Yeah, yeah, I'll get on that, my bad. :p

Rebecca Chernoff

haha s'ok

if the user clicks the button and then refreshes the page it should go away (;

Yi Jiang

Hmmm... @waffles is reading our userscript...

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone I haven't made my commit yet either.

Tim Stone

Oh, well in that case.... ;)

Heheh

Rebecca Chernoff

q:

Tim Stone

1:19 AM

But no, now that I'm back home, once I get finished with this work stuff I was doing before I left I'll see what I can do about finishing up my changes and getting everything up to date in the repository :)

Yi Jiang

Gah! I hate myself for not talking some time out to read more about scoping in JavaScript

Especially the new feature that Firefox has, like the let statement

var a = 1;
var b = 3;

[a, b] = [b, a];

Apparently you can swap variables in JavaScript like this...

Rebecca Chernoff

Eh. I'm wary of using something only Mozilla supports, and only when you specify the javascript version number.

Yi Jiang

Hang on, let me see if Chrome supports this syntax too

Rebecca Chernoff

let isn't in the standard. only mozilla.

Yi Jiang

Nope. Damn...

Rebecca Chernoff

1:28 AM

unless something has changed in the last couple months.

Tim Stone

> tmslft played SQUIRT for 114 points

\o/

Rebecca Chernoff

reaches for phone...please let that not be my game...please let that not be my game...please let that not be my game...

Moshe

Hi all

@RebeccaChernoff - Where should I put that blog link?

waffles

@RebeccaChernoff I'm getting totally over notified :) I think it should look at the little red circle and only take last n messages

Moshe

@waffles - what scripts have I missed?

waffles

1:38 AM

THE SCRIPT

Rebecca Chernoff

@waffles No the solution is to always have chat open. q:

I use the livequery plugin. .live() doesn't match existing elements, but .livequery() does. |:

So it is going to match any messages loaded with the page also.

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff Heheh, no, you're safe...for now. ;)

waffles

yeah ... that is a problem ... also when you switch chat rooms ...

Rebecca Chernoff

Can add logic to work around it if it really bothers people. Doesn't really bother me. It's just gonna go away in however many seconds I specify.

Nobody has created an issue on github, so I maintain it isn't actually an issue.

>_<

waffles

well it depends on your workflow ... but I find it a bit annoying :) ... I have already cloned the script ... needed to remove id central

Tim Stone

1:42 AM

What's the problem?

Rebecca Chernoff

Hrm. I thought I got an email when someone forked.

Also, you and @YiJiang both, @waffles. q:

Tim Stone

has chat always open and has tabs for each room

waffles

@Tim ... switch rooms back and forth

Tim Stone

Oh, the notification on load issue.

Rebecca Chernoff

I have 1 tab per chat server.

waffles

1:43 AM

it should notify ... but only the number in the red box times

Rebecca Chernoff

@waffles How would the userscript know what your inbox is showing you?

Tim Stone

I'm not confident on whether or not we have the necessary information for that to work correctly.

I do have a "next-best solution", though. :P

Rebecca Chernoff

I mean, I guess the number in the bottom-right links to the messages in progression.

Not sure what it is doing there.

@waffles, why don't you show here: github.com/rchern/StackExchangeScripts/network?

waffles

@RebeccaChernoff <div title="You have been mentioned. Click to show." id="reply-count" style="display: block; visibility: visible; ">1</div>

only show 1 message notification (the last one)

Rebecca Chernoff

Yeah I get what you're saying. But we'd need a way to know what messages you've been mentioned in.

Yi Jiang

1:46 AM

@waffles But hang on, how are you even going to get that? Cross-domain ajax is tricky, you know

Rebecca Chernoff

beautifies the chat script

@YiJiang what is cross-domain here?

Tim Stone

@YiJiang I think he means the circle

...the in-chat circle, rather.

Yi Jiang

@TimStone Oh... not the global inbox. Right

I keep thinking of the supercolliding dropdown when he mentions red circle

waffles

do a livequery on that element instead ... and then search up

Rebecca Chernoff

Line 3565, I don't see a click event being attached.

waffles

1:48 AM

let me test something ...

Tim Stone

Ahh

Rebecca Chernoff

ah, 4155.

we'd have to be able to get at that array.

Probably a better solution, but does rely a bit more on balpharc's implementation not changing.

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Meh, I'd say a lot of the stuff in the script is fragile - and that's not going to change unless they actually give us an API

Rebecca Chernoff

Most things are pretty stable...just depending on element ids as we just initiate click events.

But this would be more fragile.

waffles

won't something like $('#reply-count').live("change", function() { notify.. }); work?

Yi Jiang

1:55 AM

@waffles The change event is for form elements

waffles

so you can't get change of divs?

Rebecca Chernoff

we don't just need the number on reply-count though. We need the actual message ids the number represents.

Yi Jiang

You're probably looking at binding to the DOMMutation events - but that's not really very reliable

waffles

".message:not(.pending):not(.posted) .mention" in reverse ... take N

Tim Stone

@waffles There's no guarantee that all of the messages are in the DOM.

Yi Jiang

1:56 AM

@waffles See: quirksmode.org/dom/events/index.html#t16 the DOMNodeInserted event

Rebecca Chernoff

If it is an older message, it takes you to the transcr...what @TimStone said.

Tim Stone

That being said, it's not an issue to keep track of notification events. I'm not sure how the chat gets the notifications from when you aren't in chat though...maybe it doesn't even do that, I don't leave long enough to know. :P

waffles

@Yi you could just query the div once a second ... that would not be that expensive

Rebecca Chernoff

Line 3508ish seems to be where it is adding the mention to the array?

We have to be able to get at it though. Hrm.

@RebeccaChernoff maybe... tries

Tim Stone

Ah, OK. I see how they do it...

StartChat's last parameter is an object with the existing notifications.

Rebecca Chernoff

2:04 AM

Not seeing anything useful in $("#reply-count").data()

Tim Stone

That might be a little harder to get at.

Rebecca Chernoff

Right. But can also be added during chat.

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff Yeah, but that part's easier.

We can just listen in on the events.

Rebecca Chernoff

Sure, but it'd be awesome if just one block of code handled both cases? (;

Wouldn't it be nice if `$("#reply-count").data("info") had a csl of message ids? >_<

Tim Stone

That'd be too easy! ;)

waffles

2:05 AM

$("#reply-count").text() should be good enough no?

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Well wouldn't it be nice if each .message has .data('source') still attached... get over it :P

Tim Stone

I'm actually not sure that even having that information solves anyone's problem though.

Rebecca Chernoff

10 mins ago, by Rebecca Chernoff

we don't just need the number on reply-count though. We need the actual message ids the number represents.

Tim Stone

I mean, what, are you going to dismiss the notifications automatically so they don't come up again? :P

Hm, no, actually disregard that, I guess it does help mostly.

waffles

@RebeccaChernoff why do you care about notifications that are not on the screen?

just show the last N you can find

Rebecca Chernoff

2:07 AM

Well, you're saying that if the number says 3, you want...well meh. That isn't what you said. (;

But we still need message ids.

I need the message id to get the text.

Yi Jiang

Where is the click event handler for the button getting it's information from? Surely it's not hard coded in there?

Rebecca Chernoff

Once I've got the message id, it doesn't matter to me whether the message is on screen or off really.

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff But if they're in the DOM it's not hard to find the messages that contain notifications to you in them.

waffles

also the tricky thing is what do you do when you are mentioned in a room you are not in

the number goes up ... but there is no message id you can find

Tim Stone

@YiJiang The data is scoped in a manner that makes it inaccessible to us.

Rebecca Chernoff

2:09 AM

@waffles err, it does?

waffles

mention me in sandbox

Rebecca Chernoff

The number at the bottom shows the number for the room you're currently in?

waffles

aha ... so you actually get a dom notification next to the room ... on this page

you even see @waffles yo yo on this page

of course if you have one room per tab open everything goes to hell ... so you would have to use local storage to track what you notified people about

Rebecca Chernoff

you see the text on this page?

waffles

yerp

Rebecca Chernoff

2:12 AM

how?

waffles

look next to sandbox

Tim Stone

The sidebar thingadongdong shows the last message. ;)

Rebecca Chernoff

Well I'm in the sandbox.

Oh, well yeah.

But that's a room I'm in.

and that isn't $("#reply-count") over on the left.

waffles

yerp

Rebecca Chernoff

That <a> has no id. and the <li> id is "room-38"

waffles

2:14 AM

I'll bother @balpha and @marc about this ... its a waste of effort they can just give a hidden api via a callback or something

Rebecca Chernoff

Other room mentions aren't supported at all yet.

waffles

or better still ... just implement it themselves :)

Rebecca Chernoff

Well let's look at this further. There's a function to get mentions.

Tim Stone

I think we should take a step back and go over again what the expected behaviour is, because I'm unclear on exactly what we're trying to accomplish. :P

Yi Jiang

I've got other rooms messages notifications working I think in the Prism app

Rebecca Chernoff

2:14 AM

So what does that function do?

@YiJiang Yeah, but you're off in only-supported-in-firefox bad-land.

(;

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff No, it should also work for the userscript

Rebecca Chernoff

I didn't mean this line of code specifically.

I agree with @TimStone though. We've got several trains going here.

Yi Jiang

$('#widgets').bind('DOMNodeInserted', function(evt){
	if(evt.target.mozMatchesSelector('#my-rooms .last-message span')){
		if(evt.target.classList.contains('user-name')){
			usrName = evt.target.textContent;
		} else {
			var titleNode = evt.target.parentNode;
			do {
				titleNode = titleNode.parentNode;
			} while(!titleNode.id.match(/^room-\d+$/));

			Notification.add({
				title: usrName + ' (' + titleNode.firstChild.textContent + ')',
				text: evt.target.textContent,
				img: null,
				type: 'otherRoom'

Damn it... chat and unix line breaks...

waffles

Expected behavior: I am notified once every time I am mentioned, and only once. For the current room and any other rooms where I am mentioned.

Rebecca Chernoff

@YiJiang, even that code isn't cross-browser compatible!

waffles

2:17 AM

I am only notified 5-10 seconds after I am mentioned ... and no more

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Only one function shrug I opted not to use jQuery there - you have the benefit of that with your script

waffles

Meaning: Tray notification = somebody mentioned me somewhere NOW

Rebecca Chernoff

what's that about 5-10 seconds after?

Yi Jiang

@waffles But the 'only once' thingadongdong makes it quite hard...

waffles

local storage

Yi Jiang

2:19 AM

I know, but you have to pull localStorage everytime someone says something...

waffles

only when the number of unread notifications changes

Tim Stone

Hmm..

Yi Jiang

Although we do have an implementation of that in the uscerscript already, so it's not that big a change

waffles

the 5-10 second thing is buffer :)

Tim Stone

I actually don't think it's that hard. The only issue is for me, with my multiple tabs. :P

Rebecca Chernoff

2:20 AM

Ok, we're talking about 2 pieces here. I think we should isolate.

1) Only showing the proper amount of backlog instead of livequery showing all existing element matches.

2) Support for other-room mentions + localStorage to prevent dupes.

assigns #3 to @waffles q:

waffles

3) just get @Marc and @Balpha to give us a damn callback and be done with it

Rebecca Chernoff

Yes well. Let me just wiggle my ears...

waffles

chat.addOnMentionCallback(function(message_id, message_text) ... finished

Yi Jiang

Hang on, I need to get breakfast - doing this before breakfast is not very healthy

waffles

done

no need for crazy hacking

Tim Stone

2:22 AM

@waffles I'm not sure that that solves much beyond making it slightly easier. :P

waffles

hmmm ... it makes it possible to get notifications in rooms you are not present, that is impossible now

Tim Stone

Why is it impossible?

Oh, I see.

Rebecca Chernoff

A livequery on the other-rooms listing would cover that wouldn't it?

Tim Stone

So chat would have to return events it apparently doesn't return? :P

Rebecca Chernoff

It'd just be...ugly.

Tim Stone

2:26 AM

So if you were to @-mention me in the WA chat I'd only get the notification in the multicollider?

Rebecca Chernoff

Have you even ever said something in the WA chat? (;

belisarius

nights all!

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff Oh, no, but I was in there, I guess that doesn't qualify :p

Yi Jiang

What a mess I've made of this sandwich!

Rebecca Chernoff

Well I just said something to you there Tim.

Tim Stone

2:28 AM

OK, so no, I don't get a notification in chat.

But that makes sense...because I actually clicked "leave"

I'm not sure that there's any reason to get a desktop notification from a room you've left. O_o

Rebecca Chernoff

I think you have to say something for it to be active in mentioning you in the inbox. Also in the room the last 7 days.

Yi Jiang

My sandwich is falling apart!

Rebecca Chernoff

Maybe?

@TimStone I could agree with this.

Tim Stone

And for rooms that you're in but are not active, getting the notifications is easy enough.

...Err, like...rooms that are in the side bar

Rebecca Chernoff

I'm not sure I'd go as far as "easy enough". q:

Tim Stone

2:31 AM

I guess it also doesn't make much sense to get desktop notifications for mentions on load, since you're entering chat and are aware of their existence already.

Eh, just spy on the ajax requests to events and look at the response :p

Assuming you filter out the room load request, you'd only get the notifications once (per tab)

Rebecca Chernoff

I'm also trying to think of performance/footprint here. We haven't been concerned at all about that so far, but at some point we probably should. (;

Tim Stone

Oh right, I was supposed to test if the userscript was tanking Firefox :p

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff I think it's reasonable so far... I think

Tim Stone

See what happens when I do work instead! ;)

Rebecca Chernoff

I think it is too. But it'd be nice to be sure. (;

It is a total hodge-podge now. (;

Yi Jiang

2:34 AM

@RebeccaChernoff /blames waffles :P

Rebecca Chernoff

hehehehe

Ya know, I'm supposed to be looking for a new computer desk. That was my project for tonight.

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff That's very kind of you, looking to find me a new computer desk.

Rebecca Chernoff

Bah.

For me!

Yi Jiang

@TimStone Ha!

Tim Stone

Oh, I'm less excited by your search then, but also less disappointed you've been procrastinating. ;)

Yi Jiang

2:38 AM

Dec 5 at 19:58, by Rebecca Chernoff

So, I've discovered that I'm super good at procrastinating, heh.

Do you need reminding? :P

Tim Stone

Wasn't she looking for a desk then too? :P

Yi Jiang

@TimStone She was, I think. Ha! She is super good at procrastinating!

2

Rebecca Chernoff

LOL

Too good. ):

I had such good intentions for tonight too.

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff To be fair, you were busy with work and now busy being free from work...so it's OK. Until you need that desk to actually do stuff, then it might be a problem.

Rebecca Chernoff

Yeah...

That latter part...

Tim Stone

2:40 AM

:P

I had good intentions for today too, then had to go on a eight hour drive or however ridiculously long was I gone.

Yi Jiang

7

Q: Publicity banner is SO BROKEN: hitbox is HUGE and it is invincible to damage!

I'm not sure whether this is a consequence of the new CSS or not. We have a very visible publicity banner - it is shifted over to the side, and extends infinitely to the right. Perhaps as a consequence of the stretch placing the "close" action off to the horizon, the banner is also impossible to ...

+1 for 'Invincible to damage' :P

Rebecca Chernoff

Right then. Consider this discussion totally unsolved. Now, let's all find Rebecca a computer desk.

whistles.

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff I like that one! points

Yi Jiang

@TimStone So do I! It's red and big and everything!

Tim Stone

\o/

Rebecca Chernoff

2:47 AM

|:

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff So, what kind of desk are you looking for, besides a "nice one"? :P

Rebecca Chernoff

A nice one. (;

L-shaped. Counter space. Storage space.

Tim Stone

I can see this is going to be a productive quest ;)

Rebecca Chernoff

Well, I think I've accepted that no desk will fit in the corner between my windows and it is just going to have to go in the middle of the room. So there's that. shrugs

Tim Stone

Hmm

Yi Jiang

2:52 AM

@RebeccaChernoff Does that mean you're going to use your computer monitor as a TV? :P

Rebecca Chernoff

o: No?

Tim Stone

3:04 AM

I'm tempted to make my own damn desk at this point, heh.

So hard to find furniture >_<

Rebecca Chernoff

kind of maybe toying with this

...

Yi Jiang

What... is that?

Tim Stone

Still no dice :P

Rebecca Chernoff

4th time's a charm?

no hutch though.

Tim Stone

Hmm, not too bad.

Not sure I dig the colour, but maybe it works for you ;)

Of course, this coming from someone who has all-black furniture in his room...terrible decision, heh.

Rebecca Chernoff

3:12 AM

There's also this color, this one, and this one

Tim Stone

We might need to go kick whoever designed the Office Max website in the shins though, these URLs scare me :|

Rebecca Chernoff

heh

Tim Stone

Hmm, not bad, not bad.

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Erm... why is it telling me to enter a US zip code? ._.

Rebecca Chernoff

oO I dunno?

Yi Jiang

3:13 AM

Is it member only or something?

Rebecca Chernoff

No.

Tim Stone

It's almost like desk makers didn't realize that there are people with three 21.5" monitors to fit on their desk :(

Yi Jiang

@TimStone I thought Americans make their own furniture :P

Tim Stone

I told you, I'm tempted. :P

Rebecca Chernoff

30"+23" for me.

Reno

3:18 AM

hi everyone :)

Yi Jiang

I don't know why, but I'm quite happy with my single 19"

Tim Stone

'Ello

Yi Jiang

I don't get it - why doesn't \b match the start of a string?

Reno

i hope you are talking about monitors

Tim Stone

@YiJiang It should, if the first character is a word-character.

@Reno ...We are :P

Yi Jiang

3:22 AM

Wait a second... can you @-mention me again?

Rebecca Chernoff

@Reno Allo.

Tim Stone

@YiJiang I suppose

Yi Jiang

Oh, I know why! I was wondering where the sound notifications were coming from, and suddenly remembered that I didn't turn it off for Prism

Reno

well then im happy with my 13" :D

Rebecca Chernoff

Of course. Staples has the finish color I'm leaning towards, but it is cheaper at OfficeMax.

I think that deserves a resounding oy.

Tim Stone

3:28 AM

How much cheaper?

Rebecca Chernoff

$50

Now I have to do math and figure out the dimensions of the pieces I want. ):

Stupid math.

Tim Stone

Hmm..I'd still probably go with the colour I liked better :)

Maths is awesome, don't be silly.

Rebecca Chernoff

Figure it out for me then. (;

Tim Stone

I don't know what you want :P

Rebecca Chernoff

Corner desk with a 3-drawer file on one side and the return on the other.

Would probably do the tech file cabinet against a wall in the corner rather than together with the desk me thinks.

Maybe I should not drink Godiva liqueur and then try math. q:

Reno

3:32 AM

hire a carpenter , thats what i did once when i couldnt find the right furniture

Rebecca Chernoff

72 x 58?

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff 74 x 58

(and a bit)

Rebecca Chernoff

d'oh, 32 not 30 and change. oops. #:

Tim Stone

Heheh

Rebecca Chernoff

and my office is 11'1" by 9'3". So 133 x 111

Tim Stone

3:41 AM

It fits!

Rebecca Chernoff

LOL

Tim Stone

The rest of your office could use a little sprucing up judging by the massive amount of blank space, but one step at a time ;)

Rebecca Chernoff

I can't remember what site I did this on. ):

Luckily, Chrome history does!

\o/

Tim Stone

And you can't ask on WA, lest you start [identify-this-webapp] :P

Hooray!

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone Hehe. It would not pass the proposal I posted this morning. meta.webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/764

Tim Stone

3:50 AM

Ikea has a nice room modeler thingadongdong that has all of their furniture. Too bad that they don't have anything I want to buy at the Ikeas around here..

Heheh, that's true

drachenstern

4:17 AM

reading the transcripts you four really make me wanna become #5 on this project

Tim Stone

Hahah

Rebecca Chernoff

@drachenstern o:

(;

drachenstern

4:38 AM

So did a desk get decided on? I'm still not sure

Well, since everyone went to bed, I shall too ... 17 hours of not resting is hard on the brain ;) Sleep well ya'll

Tim Stone

G'night :P

Rebecca Chernoff

4:55 AM

Hehe. I'm here, playing with floor plans. (;

Tim Stone

I'm poking the userscript. ;)

Rebecca Chernoff

5:07 AM

Probably being more productive than me! (; i.imgur.com/CZUUU.png

Tim Stone

Oooh, nifty :D

Shog9

I'm drunk and not in jail. You losers wish you were me (or a reasonable facsimile)

Rebecca Chernoff

I'm buzzed and not in jail. Do I get any points?

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff I see you've added a plant, nice touch.

Shog9

POINTS!

Tim Stone

5:09 AM

@Shog9 I do :(

Shog9

dishes up a heaping pile of points for rchern. Then realizes it's turkey & dumplings. And dripping on keyboard

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone q:

Shog9

hits Zypher with keyboard, by way of hello

Tim Stone

I do have to question your two telephones, and your one really squashed telephone which I'll assume is supposed to be a stapler. :P

Zypher

damnit i just got out of a fierce BC2 battle ... don't start with me

Rebecca Chernoff

5:11 AM

BC2? Wazzat?

Tim Stone

shakes head

Zypher

awww @RebeccaChernoff ... Battlefield: Bad Company 2

Reno

the battlefield game

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone LOLOL Ignore those. Printer would go on the darker piece against the wall with the telephone. Other than that, I'll have a cordless phone on the desk, but just a single one, I assure you.

Shog9

@Zypher why isn't that BBC2?

Zypher

5:12 AM

still the best FPS out there after wow almost a year

Shog9

BBC Two

BBC Two (spelled BBC2 until 1997) is the second television channel of the BBC. It covers a wide range of subject matter, but tending towards more 'highbrow' programmes than the more mainstream and popular BBC One. Like the BBC's other domestic TV and radio channels, it is commercial-free and yet remains a comparatively well funded public service network, regularly attaining a much higher audience share than most current public service networks worldwide. It was the second British television station to be launched by the BBC (starting in 1964), and Europe's first television channel to broa...

Zypher

because BC2 is shorter @Shog9 i can't over-extend myself by typing an extra B

Rebecca Chernoff

@Zypher and how much more have you typed explaining this?

hides

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff Heheh, well in that case I feel much better. ;) Cool stuff

Shog9

@Zypher You missed out on some serious confusion then

Reno

5:13 AM

i miss playing those pew pew games

Zypher

@Reno haha

Rebecca Chernoff

poo poo games?

(;

Shog9

shoots Reno with a laser pointer

Zypher

@RebeccaChernoff no no no

Reno

* pew pew * lazers

Zypher

5:14 AM

goes to get some more of the sinlge malt my mom got me for xmas

Rebecca Chernoff

I've been drinking Godiva. (:

Reno

types a sentance

Shog9

That's a heavy drinm,

drink

drinmk

Rebecca Chernoff

Also a Christmas gift. (:

Shog9

wait, the second one

Zypher

5:15 AM

isn't ... that ... a chocolate company?

Shog9

it's chocolate liqueur

Zypher

ahhhhhhh

Rebecca Chernoff

What @Shog9 said. (:

Shog9

personally, I prefer eating chocolate and drinking beer

and I'm out of good chocolate. Thanks, Rebbeca, for reminding me

Zypher

@Shog9 Chocolate beer!

Shog9

5:18 AM

chocolate with chocolate beer. And extra chocolate

Rebecca Chernoff

@Shog9 I do what I can!

Shog9

SA never ceases to amuse me

1

Q: How to cook a fish to make its bone as soft as those in sardines?

When eating fish, accidentally swallowing the bones is a nightmare for me. Currently, eating sardine is the only solution due to its soft bone. I am worried that my health may suffer in the future if I continuously eat sardines that might contain "not so friendly" chemical substances. I want t...

fish bones

Seasoned Advice is also funny at times.

Reno

SA does not allow recipes requests , i think similarly SO should not allow source code requests , (code snippets are okay though)

Shog9

i think that's reasonable.

2

Q: Homework questions being closed as "not a real question" - is the description accurate?

There's lots of discussion on closing homework questions showing no effort on the part of the OP. I agree with that, but I find the description "It's difficult to tell what is being asked here. This question is ambiguous, vague, incomplete, overly broad, or rhetorical and cannot be reasonably ans...

discussion close-reasons homework

Reno

5:35 AM

On april 1st im gonna ask this question "Please give me the full source code for world peace, make sure its well commented and compilable"

homework questions are fine if they are asking for links, documentation, concepts, ideas better than his/her own to solve a given problem (:

i remember some guy asked "give me the source code for fingerprint recognition on android" .. i mean wow

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