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A: How do the "arbitrary hotness points" work on the new Stack Exchange home page and in the sidebar on questions?

Ilmari KaronenBased on David Fullerton's answer, I've written a simple user script that adds a "hotness" indicator to the question sidebar: To use the script, you'll first need to install a user script manager like Greasemonkey or Tampermonkey for your browser, if you don't have one already. Then click...

The famous SOUP author.
You miss being a Soup? Or were you the Meatballs? @Somewhat ;)
nah, before that.
Elephant was rather late.
Should be Meatballs then.
Soup and Meatballs were among the first.
You're still in touch with @Norm elsewhere?
1:02 PM
No, although I noticed his posts on MSO...
You two shared unique history here.... :D
Wonder what he would have to say about the latest drama.
tempted to ask on SO chat
@ShadowWizard I can't say I am happy about that
Well, I kind of admire him
Serious question anyone miss When it was just StackOverflow, ServerFault and I forget the other site.
@Somewhat that's pretty clear. :)
1:03 PM
@Wes Journeyman's gonna cry :(
@JourneymanGeek how so?
@Wes Super User ... SOFU
@Wes Super U__R
It's not something I wish I needed to ask
yeah does that still exist?
1:04 PM
umm... yes? lol
@Wes Journeyman's a mod? :)
No big main site was ever closed, worst that happened is rename
We don't get no respect
@Somewhat Not following. Are you asking me If Journeymans a mod. I assume not. I don't know why he'd cry either.
@JourneymanGeek oh. But you did, and you did it in a good way. :)
@Wes I wasn't around back then, and no... don't miss it. :)
1:06 PM
@ShadowWizard it's just like the post on how bad the SE Corp blog was
@Wes I'm an SU mod :o
Yanno. The other site :p
@JourneymanGeek I meant no disrespect. I just don't end up there any longer. I don't think I've any questions there either.
No problem, it's just I failed at humor....
1:08 PM
I was wrong, I've got amazing rep.
Wes, La Línea de la Concepción, Spain
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A: SE needs a better social media policy (and could us experienced users get a little love too?)

Shog9We HAVE a social media policy. It's a good one, designed by a collaboration between the Community Team and the Marketing Team just a little over a year ago now. It outlines precisely the sorts of strategies you're suggesting: Identify situations where someone on social media could use assistan...

The Shog returns
replies to the tittle, not the content
@PaulWhite Like there was a lack of grumpy people around...
Honestly. He's not good at taking vacations, it seems.
@PaulWhite O..k... what. I think we have a problem.
1:11 PM
@Tinkeringbell Seems to be an SE thing 🙂
Houston, we have a problem...
@JohnDvorak Did that just become apparent to you? 😉
So they have a social media policy, it's just that nobody cared and people did whatever anyways :p
@JourneymanGeek Did you just call the Shog "dude"?!
@PaulWhite tbh I think shog's answer terrifies me more than anything else
@PaulWhite yes
1:13 PM
@Magisch or don't know if it even exists...
@JourneymanGeek why?
TIL yesterday was celebrated by programmers in China as Programmer's Day, because it was 10/24
@doppelgreener hm?
@PaulWhite yay!!!!
@ShadowWizard Part of me doesn't care what he wrote, just that he made an appearance.
1:15 PM
@PaulWhite 1024 (2^10 iirc)
@Magisch I guess. Seems a little ... weak?
1024, one of the iconic nice round numbers
no one will ever need more than 1K
@Magisch that's pretty uncharitable
@Magisch I'd replace 'cared' with 'knew'. That's the impression I got right now.
1:17 PM
@PaulWhite quite literally it kinda makes the staffing issue sound worse than I thought
@Tinkeringbell right, same
@JourneymanGeek I see.
Staffing issues will be resolved when the applicant pool is sufficiently diverse.
In the meantime, please listen to this soothing music.
1:19 PM
@PaulWhite We should all apply, and then just drop out of the process once it's started XD
Baby shark, doo doo doo doo doo doo
Baby shark, doo doo doo doo doo doo
Baby shark, doo doo doo doo doo doo
Baby shark!
@PaulWhite NO! NOT THIS SONG! >_<
@Somewhat At this point I felt justified.
(I have been wrong before)
@PaulWhite doo doo? Isn't it child's word for poo? :D
1:20 PM
There may be subliminal messaging
I need this now: unhearit.com
So it basically tells a baby shark to poo. Very useful! ;)
Mommy shark, doo doo doo doo doo doo
Mommy shark, doo doo doo doo doo doo
Mommy shark, doo doo doo doo doo doo
Mommy shark!
(19 additional verses omitted)
Reminds me of 100 bottles of beer
And my ultimate ping attack....

The Ultimate Ping Revenge Attack

Jun 11 '15 at 21:40, 1 hour 19 minutes total – 200 messages, 1 user, 0 stars

Bookmarked Jun 11 '15 at 23:01 by Shadow Wizard

Guess most here already saw me mentioning it... I'm so proud of it. :P
200 messages. 200 pings. Lovely.
1:23 PM
and no scripts were used.
Well, @Dro deserved it.
@doppelgreener I kind of meant knew
s/cared/was aware of
the difference in meaning is quite substantial
@PaulWhite I repealed my comment
@Magisch understood
1:25 PM
also native language issues understood
@Magisch I don't think it was no one cared...
> out of the seven people handling this role a year ago, there are so few left and it had fallen so far down the list of priorities that I didn't even think to ask anyone else to handle it while I was away.
so.. less than 7 people
@JourneymanGeek I already said, I meant "was aware of"
@Magisch problem is nobody handled it, not that nobody knew how to handle. There was nobody there to handle it when it happened.
@PaulWhite :(
It's like marketing team handling tech question.. they don't know the protocol
1:27 PM
@ShadowWizard except someone did handle it. Quickly. And so far, everyone from that side of the fence seems to support everything that was done.
@JourneymanGeek it may be sad, but it appears to be true
@ShadowWizard Yeah, we got that through already.... Can we stop piling on?
Given that Teams seems to be doing quite well, finance is not the issue it might have once been (or have been perceived to have been been)
Sorry I lost my way with the tenses there
@Tinkeringbell it's based on the new info by Shog. :)
1:28 PM
just goes to show the whole place falls apart without shog
ironically also true for the tavern
People and other entities ... it seems we're going in circles in this room. Or waves. Or other shapes. Maybe we should give all this a rest. Get a fresh perspective at some point, and just wait and see what happens? Just a suggestion.
@Wes why does it show that address for me. That was never my address. I thought that was fixed on the SE network
@Bart at this point, the future refused to change...
@Bart I like circles. They're simple, they only have two sides (inside and out), no nasty corners you can stab a toe on...
circles are perfect :)
@Bart There's really very little appetite to stop talking about this until there is some sort of resolution.
1:30 PM
@Magisch idk the Tavern seems markedly less tense to me in recent times
@Wes just... edit it?
Okay, point taken. I'll see you all some point in the future then. Until then, best of luck. ;)
@Bart :( I didn't dislike you that much!
@PaulWhite or until Shog arrives in here, guns blazing, and shouts STOP THIS MADNESS OR I SHOOT. :D
earlier i linked this video
1:31 PM
@ShadowWizard or.. just freeze this room...
yeah, this too. lol
@ShadowWizard tbh, I like shog a lot
because at that point it seemed like the conversation had swung around to just villainising people involved, and that video talks about why people do that and the problems it causes
Or... wait for it.... new Town Hall dedicated to Social Media and How it Affects SE.
@ShadowWizard Nothing would surprise me at this point
1:32 PM
if shog says stop talking about it, I shall hold my tongue
so i'm ok with us talking about this, but not piling on layers of villainisation would be good.
I've said that I'm tired of this conversation/debate/rant/whatever on this room, but looks like I'm just a minority and powerless
@Somewhat what would you like us RO's to do?
i'd rather talk about other stuff too
So we're not allowed to talk about an important new answer by Shog now?
1:36 PM
@Magisch stop rehashing this for almost every day?
@ShadowWizard Done thanks more supprised that that was still there.
@Somewhat Ok, granted we 4 people do not continue talking about this. Other users will. What should we do about that?
eh. I'm not sure what to do here.
@Wes you probably didn't click the "Save to all sites" when editing your location on one site.
On one hand, this is a topic of general interest. On the other, its mostly taken over the chat.
1:38 PM
It's so not in my remit to prevent people from talking about what is a topic of utmost concern for them in the site's general chatroom (which this is)
I don't want to say don't talk about it, but there is some fatigue here.
If there were other interesting things to chat about, people would do well to bring them up, instead of just attempting to shut everyone else down
Wait wait wait where is Shog's answer?
@PaulWhite well, that's why Tavern is empty and boring on ordinary days. :D
@AndrasDeak ^
1:39 PM
@ShadowWizard For sure.
thanks, just found it via the other starred post
I very much understand, that's why I feel so powerless that I even believe the solution for me personally is to just avoid this room and meta for now.
Really, not anyone's fault, but me.
The thing is, other people are still seeing all this for the first time.
> Tavern is currently busy with recent drama. Please check back tomorrow. Thanks for your patience!
SO options!
We can move this to a side room.
We can occationally chuck conversational smoke bombs and hope it works...
1:41 PM
"Twitter Drama Rant" room?
Or something more general?
@ShadowWizard I wouldn't call it that.
I'm all for talking about other interesting things. But what is there? Or we can all sit and admire the pretty room background.
"Room for things that are discussed too much on Tavern"?
and I think that its pretty important both that its discussed but dosen't completely fill the room with cynicism and chase people off.
@ShadowWizard The Back Room, or The Cellar? :P
1:42 PM
"Company Cage"
@JourneymanGeek fell free to switch the topics to friendship, happy songs and candy-colored ponies
@Derpy dupe of Sugarcube Corner
The Rug Room, under which we can sweep the problematic discussion
Out of Sight, Out of Mind
1:44 PM
The IPS HNQ Room, hoping it will just silently go away :P
@JourneymanGeek thing is, not everything is cynicism. Lots of serious steam being let out, which without being let out here, will cause lots of damage elsewhere, e.g. nasty posts or comments on meta sites.
That's how I see it at least....
@ShadowWizard yeah I get
Same, pretty much.
@PaulWhite cast down into the Hall of the Blind?
What happened to the CoGro Musing?
1:45 PM
What Shog isn't aware of, mostly because he's been out and with crappy internet, is that I've been working closely with our new VP of marketing to get an actual policy distributed and then make a public version of it for moderators to follow, along with escalation procedures. I don't want to answer until I have more bits in place, so hang tight. — Tim Post ♦ 2 mins ago
@JourneymanGeek We should apply the same solution as has worked so well in TL
At the same time, I'm dealing with creepy threats that have required me to work with local law enforcement to make sure I'm not doxxed / swatted, SO Y'ALL ARE GONNA HAVE TO GIVE ME A HOT SECOND AND BE A LITTLE MORE PATIENT. Mkay? — Tim Post ♦ 1 min ago
@Somewhat ummm.... died from Inactivity?
Hang, is that what Tim Post wants us to do?
@PaulWhite we have a solution?
1:46 PM
@JourneymanGeek no of course not
@AndrasDeak That's just bad.
Same thing I was suggesting? A little patience ;p
take care, @TimPost
what does doxxed/swatted mean?
doxxed = post someone's private info (address, name, etc) online
1:47 PM
@TimPost Please stay alive!
swatting is someone calling the cops on you saying you're an armed threat
Also: be a little more patient ... after a week
@PaulWhite doxxing: targeted releasing of personal contact / address / private information to enable people to IRL harass someone.
swatting happens often on livestream, if you want to see some examples...
@AndrasDeak thanks
1:48 PM
@PaulWhite meh, private life of employees always comes first. All the crap on SE is just a hobby
swatting: calling in fake murder / rape / bomb / kidnapping threats on someone's location with the end goal of getting a swat team to raid the place and (optionally) kill the innocent target in the disorientation
well, hobby for us, job for them, still not even the same ballpark as real-life issues
@AndrasDeak yes, it was an independent remark
@PaulWhite doxxed = having your personal information put online. Swatted.. what @Magisch said
This isn't a joke, in most jurisdictions swatting can get you tried for attempted murder
1:49 PM
@PaulWhite tbh, what Tim's talking about is pretty serious
@Magisch and rightly so
@JourneymanGeek Yep that is understood.
@AndrasDeak ah. So that's what I meant by news coming soon... actually...
well not the threat to life and limb
@JohnDvorak heh, that's likely that "nice" Nachos guy. :(
I wouldn't bet that it's a single moron
1:50 PM
(reference missed)
@AndrasDeak Judging by what mods here said before, it is.
Masked Man didn't become so hostile, did he?
while Tim gets my sympathy and best wishes for the troubles he is stuck with, both personal and company related... I think the urgency still lays on that line from Monica post
Wait, him? Really?
@ShadowWizard Honestly... it can be anyone that uses SE. I'm not confident it's nachos either.
and speculating doesn't make sense.
1:51 PM
@Derpy nope. It's not that urgent. Knowing they are really into it and on top of it is just enough.
I am now calm.
@Tinkeringbell I hope it ends up ok
If they know who it is, they won't tell as it's going to damage the investigation.
@ShadowWizard ya, that's what they meant by news
@JourneymanGeek you could have said more.... :)
sorry about that. I wasn't sure how specific I wanted/could be for stuff out of TL
1:52 PM
@JourneymanGeek I'll send up an extra prayer/thought tonight to whoever wants to receive and handle it :)
yeah, I erred on the side of caution
whoever that is can enjoy looking forward to decades in prison
Can't we just move on to a less speculative subject?
@Tinkeringbell heh, I might, but my deity of choice and I are not on speaking terms ;)
good point
1:53 PM
@JohnDvorak MM is NOT the life threatening troll, it's someone else.
@JourneymanGeek And that's a bit of a problem actually. If we know we can be a little bit more open in our communications, that would perhaps take some of the communication load of the paid part of SE?
(he's being a bit stubborn and not really helping much with anything. Or... has a flare for the dramatic)
@Magisch virtual life threats?? Nah... nowhere in the world.
Ah good
@Tinkeringbell well, IMO no ;p
1:53 PM
Plus if he's smart, it's impossible to track him down. (e.g. Tor)
I have to go now. Is there a place where I can read the summary later?
So, that's one of thing things I feel needs fixing - that CMs arn't that much of a company/community interface as they used to be
The drug dealer who got arrested was just dumb/arrogant enough to make too many mistakes.
@JourneymanGeek Over the past few days, there's been a lot said that I'd have liked to communicate to the rest of IPS ...
I don't blame them. They haven't scaled with the company
1:54 PM
@JohnDvorak transcript
@rene I doubt it
@Tinkeringbell ya. so.. this is when they should have plonked down a CM into your community, and had them answer questions
I was hoping for something more condensed but OK.
Not how its ever been done, but would make a lot of sense.
@JourneymanGeek I don't mind getting my information at a central place and then distributing it...
1:55 PM
@JohnDvorak no one really knows ;)
@JohnDvorak of what exactly? The whole drama or just the troll?
@Tinkeringbell on the other hand, you know only as much as they figured you need to know.
@JourneymanGeek tim's latest answer suggest they do not have that cm
E.g. the 'social media policy in the works thing'... you don't plonk down a CM in every community to tell that. You drop the info in a place where mods see it, mods tell users, users cross-pollinate other chatrooms and communities that maybe don't have mods that are very active in the mod-room
My new security system can't get here fast enough. Threats from "the straight white men I'm repressing" have gotten to the point that I'm working with law enforcement. That's how fragile identities belonging to very toxic men can be. Don't be those men.
1:56 PM
Just like people sometimes share interesting meta posts in chat that aren't featured
@Magisch eh. even historically I'd say there's 2-3 CMs with the sort of charisma to pull it off
@Magisch wasn't it Catija? She did post answer(s) on the meta site.
@Tinkeringbell Or... Ya'know use meta as it was intended to be used...
@PaulWhite +1
@PaulWhite As much as I appreciate the latest gossip... we were trying to get the topic shifted! :P
1:57 PM
@ShadowWizard the whole drama. After it blows over is fine with me.
@apaul I'd say meta and chat.
Damn... guess I better get back to twitter to be on top of things.
I'm sorry
@Tinkeringbell Oh I missed that effort (and wasn't part of it)
1:57 PM
the company doesn't give their extremely awesome chat system enough use, or credit ;)
or development time
@PaulWhite Hence the friendly 'pointing it out' :P The speculation of 'whodunnit' wasn't helping ;)
also hi @apaul
Okay. I'm going to put my foot down and say that discussing both the troll and Tim's current situation is going to have to stop here for the time being.
@Tinkeringbell it's a public tweet
1:58 PM
@Mithrandir think it did, it's now about the drama as whole. I hope.
@PaulWhite True... I just wanted to abide by Mith's rule before it was set ;)
@PaulWhite well, I do get the impression there's a big backlog on development...
And now for something completely different.
@PaulWhite let's make an attempt

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