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A: How do the "arbitrary hotness points" work on the new Stack Exchange home page and in the sidebar on questions?

Based on David Fullerton's answer, I've written a simple user script that adds a "hotness" indicator to the question sidebar: To use the script, you'll first need to install a user script manager like Greasemonkey or Tampermonkey for your browser, if you don't have one already. Then click...

Shadow Wizard

The famous SOUP author.

You miss being a Soup? Or were you the Meatballs? @Somewhat ;)

Somewhat

Elephant.

Shadow Wizard

nah, before that.

Elephant was rather late.

Somewhat

Should be Meatballs then.

Shadow Wizard

Soup and Meatballs were among the first.

You're still in touch with @Norm elsewhere?

Somewhat

13:02

No, although I noticed his posts on MSO...

Shadow Wizard

You two shared unique history here.... :D

Wonder what he would have to say about the latest drama.

tempted to ask on SO chat

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard I can't say I am happy about that

Somewhat

Well, I kind of admire him

Wes

Serious question anyone miss When it was just StackOverflow, ServerFault and I forget the other site.

Shadow Wizard

@Somewhat that's pretty clear. :)

Somewhat

13:03

@Wes Journeyman's gonna cry :(

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek how so?

Bart

@Wes Super User ... SOFU

Shadow Wizard

@Wes Super U__R

Journeyman Geek

It's not something I wish I needed to ask

Wes

yeah does that still exist?

Shadow Wizard

13:04

umm... yes? lol

Somewhat

@Wes Journeyman's a mod? :)

Shadow Wizard

No big main site was ever closed, worst that happened is rename

Journeyman Geek

We don't get no respect

Wes

@Somewhat Not following. Are you asking me If Journeymans a mod. I assume not. I don't know why he'd cry either.

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek oh. But you did, and you did it in a good way. :)

@Wes I wasn't around back then, and no... don't miss it. :)

Journeyman Geek

13:06

@ShadowWizard it's just like the post on how bad the SE Corp blog was

@Wes I'm an SU mod :o

Shadow Wizard

o:

Journeyman Geek

Yanno. The other site :p

Wes

@JourneymanGeek I meant no disrespect. I just don't end up there any longer. I don't think I've any questions there either.

Somewhat

No problem, it's just I failed at humor....

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Misleading link (11): Search API for searching in existing Solr Core by drupalnewbie on drupal.SE

Wes

13:08

I was wrong, I've got amazing rep.

Wes, La Línea de la Concepción, Spain

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user194636

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A: SE needs a better social media policy (and could us experienced users get a little love too?)

We HAVE a social media policy. It's a good one, designed by a collaboration between the Community Team and the Marketing Team just a little over a year ago now. It outlines precisely the sorts of strategies you're suggesting: Identify situations where someone on social media could use assistan...

user194636

The Shog returns

5

Derpy

replies to the tittle, not the content

Tinkeringbell

@PaulWhite Like there was a lack of grumpy people around...

Honestly. He's not good at taking vacations, it seems.

John Dvorak

@PaulWhite O..k... what. I think we have a problem.

user194636

13:11

@Tinkeringbell Seems to be an SE thing 🙂

Somewhat

Houston, we have a problem...

user194636

@JohnDvorak Did that just become apparent to you? 😉

Magisch

So they have a social media policy, it's just that nobody cared and people did whatever anyways :p

user194636

@JourneymanGeek Did you just call the Shog "dude"?!

Journeyman Geek

@PaulWhite tbh I think shog's answer terrifies me more than anything else

@PaulWhite yes

Somewhat

13:13

@Magisch or don't know if it even exists...

user194636

@JourneymanGeek why?

doppelgreener

TIL yesterday was celebrated by programmers in China as Programmer's Day, because it was 10/24

user194636

@doppelgreener hm?

Shadow Wizard

@PaulWhite yay!!!!

user194636

@ShadowWizard Part of me doesn't care what he wrote, just that he made an appearance.

Magisch

13:15

@PaulWhite 1024 (2^10 iirc)

user194636

@Magisch I guess. Seems a little ... weak?

doppelgreener

1024, one of the iconic nice round numbers

user194636

no one will ever need more than 1K

doppelgreener

@Magisch that's pretty uncharitable

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch I'd replace 'cared' with 'knew'. That's the impression I got right now.

Journeyman Geek

13:17

@PaulWhite quite literally it kinda makes the staffing issue sound worse than I thought

doppelgreener

@Tinkeringbell right, same

user194636

@JourneymanGeek I see.

user194636

Staffing issues will be resolved when the applicant pool is sufficiently diverse.

user194636

In the meantime, please listen to this soothing music.

Mithrandir

Welp.

Tinkeringbell

13:19

@PaulWhite We should all apply, and then just drop out of the process once it's started XD

user194636

Baby shark, doo doo doo doo doo doo
Baby shark, doo doo doo doo doo doo
Baby shark, doo doo doo doo doo doo
Baby shark!

Somewhat

@PaulWhite NO! NOT THIS SONG! >_<

user194636

@Somewhat At this point I felt justified.

user194636

(I have been wrong before)

Shadow Wizard

@PaulWhite doo doo? Isn't it child's word for poo? :D

user194636

13:20

There may be subliminal messaging

Somewhat

I need this now: unhearit.com

Shadow Wizard

So it basically tells a baby shark to poo. Very useful! ;)

user194636

Mommy shark, doo doo doo doo doo doo
Mommy shark, doo doo doo doo doo doo
Mommy shark, doo doo doo doo doo doo
Mommy shark!

user194636

(19 additional verses omitted)

Shadow Wizard

lol

Reminds me of 100 bottles of beer

And my ultimate ping attack....

The Ultimate Ping Revenge Attack

Jun 11 '15 at 21:40, 1 hour 19 minutes total – 200 messages, 1 user, 0 stars

Bookmarked Jun 11 '15 at 23:01 by Shadow Wizard

Guess most here already saw me mentioning it... I'm so proud of it. :P

200 messages. 200 pings. Lovely.

:D

user194636

13:23

yikes

Shadow Wizard

and no scripts were used.

Well, @Dro deserved it.

Magisch

@doppelgreener I kind of meant knew

s/cared/was aware of

user194636

the difference in meaning is quite substantial

Magisch

@PaulWhite I repealed my comment

user194636

@Magisch understood

user194636

13:25

also native language issues understood

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch I don't think it was no one cared...

> out of the seven people handling this role a year ago, there are so few left and it had fallen so far down the list of priorities that I didn't even think to ask anyone else to handle it while I was away.

so.. less than 7 people

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek I already said, I meant "was aware of"

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch problem is nobody handled it, not that nobody knew how to handle. There was nobody there to handle it when it happened.

Journeyman Geek

@PaulWhite :(

Somewhat

It's like marketing team handling tech question.. they don't know the protocol

canon

13:27

@ShadowWizard except someone did handle it. Quickly. And so far, everyone from that side of the fence seems to support everything that was done.

user194636

@JourneymanGeek it may be sad, but it appears to be true

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Yeah, we got that through already.... Can we stop piling on?

user194636

Given that Teams seems to be doing quite well, finance is not the issue it might have once been (or have been perceived to have been been)

user194636

Sorry I lost my way with the tenses there

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell it's based on the new info by Shog. :)

Magisch

13:28

just goes to show the whole place falls apart without shog

ironically also true for the tavern

Bart

People and other entities ... it seems we're going in circles in this room. Or waves. Or other shapes. Maybe we should give all this a rest. Get a fresh perspective at some point, and just wait and see what happens? Just a suggestion.

Wes

@Wes why does it show that address for me. That was never my address. I thought that was fixed on the SE network

Somewhat

@Bart at this point, the future refused to change...

Tinkeringbell

@Bart I like circles. They're simple, they only have two sides (inside and out), no nasty corners you can stab a toe on...

circles are perfect :)

user194636

@Bart There's really very little appetite to stop talking about this until there is some sort of resolution.

user194636

13:30

@Magisch idk the Tavern seems markedly less tense to me in recent times

Shadow Wizard

@Wes just... edit it?

Bart

Okay, point taken. I'll see you all some point in the future then. Until then, best of luck. ;)

Tinkeringbell

@Bart :( I didn't dislike you that much!

Shadow Wizard

@PaulWhite or until Shog arrives in here, guns blazing, and shouts STOP THIS MADNESS OR I SHOOT. :D

doppelgreener

earlier i linked this video

3 hours ago, by doppelgreener

This Video Will Make You Angry

►

Somewhat

13:31

@ShadowWizard or.. just freeze this room...

Shadow Wizard

yeah, this too. lol

Magisch

@ShadowWizard tbh, I like shog a lot

doppelgreener

because at that point it seemed like the conversation had swung around to just villainising people involved, and that video talks about why people do that and the problems it causes

Shadow Wizard

Or... wait for it.... new Town Hall dedicated to Social Media and How it Affects SE.

user194636

@ShadowWizard Nothing would surprise me at this point

Magisch

13:32

if shog says stop talking about it, I shall hold my tongue

doppelgreener

so i'm ok with us talking about this, but not piling on layers of villainisation would be good.

Somewhat

I've said that I'm tired of this conversation/debate/rant/whatever on this room, but looks like I'm just a minority and powerless

Magisch

@Somewhat what would you like us RO's to do?

doppelgreener

i'd rather talk about other stuff too

user194636

So we're not allowed to talk about an important new answer by Shog now?

Somewhat

13:36

@Magisch stop rehashing this for almost every day?

Wes

@ShadowWizard Done thanks more supprised that that was still there.

Magisch

@Somewhat Ok, granted we 4 people do not continue talking about this. Other users will. What should we do about that?

Journeyman Geek

eh. I'm not sure what to do here.

Shadow Wizard

@Wes you probably didn't click the "Save to all sites" when editing your location on one site.

Journeyman Geek

On one hand, this is a topic of general interest. On the other, its mostly taken over the chat.

Magisch

13:38

It's so not in my remit to prevent people from talking about what is a topic of utmost concern for them in the site's general chatroom (which this is)

Journeyman Geek

I don't want to say don't talk about it, but there is some fatigue here.

user194636

If there were other interesting things to chat about, people would do well to bring them up, instead of just attempting to shut everyone else down

Andras Deak

Wait wait wait where is Shog's answer?

Shadow Wizard

@PaulWhite well, that's why Tavern is empty and boring on ordinary days. :D

user194636

@AndrasDeak ^

user194636

13:39

@ShadowWizard For sure.

Andras Deak

thanks, just found it via the other starred post

Somewhat

I very much understand, that's why I feel so powerless that I even believe the solution for me personally is to just avoid this room and meta for now.

Really, not anyone's fault, but me.

user194636

The thing is, other people are still seeing all this for the first time.

Shadow Wizard

> Tavern is currently busy with recent drama. Please check back tomorrow. Thanks for your patience!

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Journeyman Geek

SO options!

We can move this to a side room.

We can occationally chuck conversational smoke bombs and hope it works...

Shadow Wizard

13:41

"Twitter Drama Rant" room?

Or something more general?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard I wouldn't call it that.

user194636

I'm all for talking about other interesting things. But what is there? Or we can all sit and admire the pretty room background.

Shadow Wizard

"Room for things that are discussed too much on Tavern"?

Journeyman Geek

and I think that its pretty important both that its discussed but dosen't completely fill the room with cynicism and chase people off.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard The Back Room, or The Cellar? :P

Shadow Wizard

13:42

haha

"Company Cage"

Derpy

@JourneymanGeek fell free to switch the topics to friendship, happy songs and candy-colored ponies

Journeyman Geek

eww

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy dupe of Sugarcube Corner

Andras Deak

The Rug Room, under which we can sweep the problematic discussion

user194636

Out of Sight, Out of Mind

Andras Deak

13:44

The IPS HNQ Room, hoping it will just silently go away :P

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek thing is, not everything is cynicism. Lots of serious steam being let out, which without being let out here, will cause lots of damage elsewhere, e.g. nasty posts or comments on meta sites.

That's how I see it at least....

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard yeah I get

user194636

Same, pretty much.

Derpy

@PaulWhite cast down into the Hall of the Blind?

Somewhat

What happened to the CoGro Musing?

Andras Deak

13:45

What Shog isn't aware of, mostly because he's been out and with crappy internet, is that I've been working closely with our new VP of marketing to get an actual policy distributed and then make a public version of it for moderators to follow, along with escalation procedures. I don't want to answer until I have more bits in place, so hang tight. — Tim Post ♦ 2 mins ago

user194636

@JourneymanGeek We should apply the same solution as has worked so well in TL

Andras Deak

At the same time, I'm dealing with creepy threats that have required me to work with local law enforcement to make sure I'm not doxxed / swatted, SO Y'ALL ARE GONNA HAVE TO GIVE ME A HOT SECOND AND BE A LITTLE MORE PATIENT. Mkay? — Tim Post ♦ 1 min ago

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Shadow Wizard

@Somewhat ummm.... died from Inactivity?

John Dvorak

Hang, is that what Tim Post wants us to do?

Journeyman Geek

@PaulWhite we have a solution?

user194636

13:46

@JourneymanGeek no of course not

Tinkeringbell

@AndrasDeak That's just bad.

Journeyman Geek

Same thing I was suggesting? A little patience ;p

Andras Deak

take care, @TimPost

user194636

what does doxxed/swatted mean?

Andras Deak

doxxed = post someone's private info (address, name, etc) online

John Dvorak

13:47

@TimPost Please stay alive!

Andras Deak

swatting is someone calling the cops on you saying you're an armed threat

user194636

Also: be a little more patient ... after a week

Magisch

@PaulWhite doxxing: targeted releasing of personal contact / address / private information to enable people to IRL harass someone.

Somewhat

swatting happens often on livestream, if you want to see some examples...

user194636

@AndrasDeak thanks

Andras Deak

13:48

@PaulWhite meh, private life of employees always comes first. All the crap on SE is just a hobby

Magisch

swatting: calling in fake murder / rape / bomb / kidnapping threats on someone's location with the end goal of getting a swat team to raid the place and (optionally) kill the innocent target in the disorientation

Andras Deak

well, hobby for us, job for them, still not even the same ballpark as real-life issues

user194636

@AndrasDeak yes, it was an independent remark

Journeyman Geek

@PaulWhite doxxed = having your personal information put online. Swatted.. what @Magisch said

Magisch

This isn't a joke, in most jurisdictions swatting can get you tried for attempted murder

Journeyman Geek

13:49

@PaulWhite tbh, what Tim's talking about is pretty serious

Andras Deak

@Magisch and rightly so

user194636

@JourneymanGeek Yep that is understood.

Journeyman Geek

@AndrasDeak ah. So that's what I meant by news coming soon... actually...

well not the threat to life and limb

Shadow Wizard

@JohnDvorak heh, that's likely that "nice" Nachos guy. :(

Andras Deak

I wouldn't bet that it's a single moron

John Dvorak

13:50

(reference missed)

Andras Deak

indeed?

Shadow Wizard

@AndrasDeak Judging by what mods here said before, it is.

Masked Man didn't become so hostile, did he?

Derpy

while Tim gets my sympathy and best wishes for the troubles he is stuck with, both personal and company related... I think the urgency still lays on that line from Monica post

John Dvorak

Wait, him? Really?

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Honestly... it can be anyone that uses SE. I'm not confident it's nachos either.

and speculating doesn't make sense.

Shadow Wizard

13:51

@Derpy nope. It's not that urgent. Knowing they are really into it and on top of it is just enough.

I am now calm.

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell I hope it ends up ok

Tinkeringbell

If they know who it is, they won't tell as it's going to damage the investigation.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard ya, that's what they meant by news

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek you could have said more.... :)

Journeyman Geek

sorry about that. I wasn't sure how specific I wanted/could be for stuff out of TL

Tinkeringbell

13:52

@JourneymanGeek I'll send up an extra prayer/thought tonight to whoever wants to receive and handle it :)

Journeyman Geek

yeah, I erred on the side of caution

Magisch

whoever that is can enjoy looking forward to decades in prison

rene

Can't we just move on to a less speculative subject?

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell heh, I might, but my deity of choice and I are not on speaking terms ;)

Magisch

good point

Shadow Wizard

13:53

@JohnDvorak MM is NOT the life threatening troll, it's someone else.

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek And that's a bit of a problem actually. If we know we can be a little bit more open in our communications, that would perhaps take some of the communication load of the paid part of SE?

Journeyman Geek

(he's being a bit stubborn and not really helping much with anything. Or... has a flare for the dramatic)

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch virtual life threats?? Nah... nowhere in the world.

John Dvorak

Ah good

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell well, IMO no ;p

Shadow Wizard

13:53

Plus if he's smart, it's impossible to track him down. (e.g. Tor)

John Dvorak

I have to go now. Is there a place where I can read the summary later?

Journeyman Geek

So, that's one of thing things I feel needs fixing - that CMs arn't that much of a company/community interface as they used to be

Shadow Wizard

The drug dealer who got arrested was just dumb/arrogant enough to make too many mistakes.

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Over the past few days, there's been a lot said that I'd have liked to communicate to the rest of IPS ...

Journeyman Geek

I don't blame them. They haven't scaled with the company

Tinkeringbell

13:54

@JohnDvorak transcript

user194636

@rene I doubt it

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell ya. so.. this is when they should have plonked down a CM into your community, and had them answer questions

John Dvorak

I was hoping for something more condensed but OK.

Journeyman Geek

Not how its ever been done, but would make a lot of sense.

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek I don't mind getting my information at a central place and then distributing it...

Journeyman Geek

13:55

@JohnDvorak no one really knows ;)

Shadow Wizard

@JohnDvorak of what exactly? The whole drama or just the troll?

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell on the other hand, you know only as much as they figured you need to know.

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek tim's latest answer suggest they do not have that cm

Tinkeringbell

E.g. the 'social media policy in the works thing'... you don't plonk down a CM in every community to tell that. You drop the info in a place where mods see it, mods tell users, users cross-pollinate other chatrooms and communities that maybe don't have mods that are very active in the mod-room

user194636

My new security system can't get here fast enough. Threats from "the straight white men I'm repressing" have gotten to the point that I'm working with law enforcement. That's how fragile identities belonging to very toxic men can be. Don't be those men.

Tweeted by tinkertim on October 25, 2018 at 1:29 PM

Tinkeringbell

13:56

Just like people sometimes share interesting meta posts in chat that aren't featured

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch eh. even historically I'd say there's 2-3 CMs with the sort of charisma to pull it off

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch wasn't it Catija? She did post answer(s) on the meta site.

apaul

@Tinkeringbell Or... Ya'know use meta as it was intended to be used...

Shadow Wizard

@PaulWhite +1

Tinkeringbell

@PaulWhite As much as I appreciate the latest gossip... we were trying to get the topic shifted! :P

John Dvorak

13:57

@ShadowWizard the whole drama. After it blows over is fine with me.

Journeyman Geek

@apaul I'd say meta and chat.

Shadow Wizard

Damn... guess I better get back to twitter to be on top of things.

Journeyman Geek

I'm sorry

Tinkeringbell

@apaul chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/7326235#7326235 I got that afterthought :)

user194636

@Tinkeringbell Oh I missed that effort (and wasn't part of it)

Journeyman Geek

13:57

the company doesn't give their extremely awesome chat system enough use, or credit ;)

user194636

or development time

Tinkeringbell

@PaulWhite Hence the friendly 'pointing it out' :P The speculation of 'whodunnit' wasn't helping ;)

Journeyman Geek

also hi @apaul

Mithrandir

Okay. I'm going to put my foot down and say that discussing both the troll and Tim's current situation is going to have to stop here for the time being.

user194636

@Tinkeringbell it's a public tweet

Shadow Wizard

13:58

@Mithrandir think it did, it's now about the drama as whole. I hope.

Tinkeringbell

@PaulWhite True... I just wanted to abide by Mith's rule before it was set ;)

Journeyman Geek

@PaulWhite well, I do get the impression there's a big backlog on development...

apaul

And now for something completely different.

rene

@PaulWhite let's make an attempt

The Ultimate Ping Revenge Attack

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