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Tinkeringbell

11:00 AM

@Magisch We could just all get back to talking about ice cream, strawberries and chocolate sprinkles ;)

Shadow Wizard

waffles

Don't forget waffles

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell reality always returns

Mithrandir

@JourneymanGeek I've seen that more than once now and it's bothering me :P *hindsight

Shadow Wizard

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Q: No more waffles?

waffles. Ordinary member? He's no longer in the Stack Exchange team page nor in the moderators list of any site. He was part of the team from almost the beginning, doesn't he deserve a big farewell party like Jeff had? Looks like he stepped down willingly couple of weeks ago - so goodbye, and t...

Journeyman Geek

@Mithrandir point.

Shadow Wizard

11:01 AM

@Mithrandir there are some permanent typos, e.g. many say "mayor" instead of "major".

user194636

@JourneymanGeek Are we though? At some point, as the company continues to stuff up in the same ways, with the same limp outcomes, people just disengage from what has become a very tiring, and seemingly never-ending process. Perhaps SO/SE has just become something some of us don't want to be part of any more.

Journeyman Geek

@PaulWhite Ya.

@PaulWhite but but...

how do we fix that?

or are we just doomed?

Andras Deak

I don't think people are fleeing in flocks yet

Journeyman Geek

and there's nothing we can do

user194636

It is possible we don't fix it.

Andras Deak

11:03 AM

I've seen multiple grumpy veterans leave SO but it's not systemic

Journeyman Geek

@PaulWhite then there's no point complaining.

Somewhat

or MM

user194636

@AndrasDeak Me either. But how would one measure how close we might be to that sudden point.

Andras Deak

most of the rep farmers spewing the majority of new content (all the posts answered instead of getting closed deservedly) don't care about meta at all

Journeyman Geek

There's no point.

in anything

and the idea of that is depressing

Mithrandir

11:04 AM

@PaulWhite If we're getting to the point where Monica is writing angry blog posts, and the entire TL is up in arms...

user194636

@AndrasDeak Ah yes: I should clarify: disengagement from SO/SE policy/politics. People may simply disengage from all that, and go back to the basic business of Q & A.

Andras Deak

ah, yeah

Mithrandir

@JourneymanGeek Isn't that a bit philosophical for a Tavern?

user194636

@Mithrandir Yes that is a big part of what I'm thinking about.

Journeyman Geek

@Mithrandir I think this room needs to brighten up a bit

Andras Deak

11:05 AM

It's like the squirt bottle we use with the cat.

Journeyman Geek

2

user194636

I'm a cat person 😛

Journeyman Geek

@PaulWhite There's a picture of Jolene's cat on the frying pan...

the room, not the cookware

Mithrandir

Careful cat! That's hot!

user194636

tweets angrily about SE cooking cats

Journeyman Geek

11:07 AM

(Ash needed a haircut. He agreed. Also, he loves the groomers...)

Mithrandir

Dogs without seat belts, cats being fried... What have we come to...

user194636

I think those are all mentioned in Revelations

Journeyman Geek

@Mithrandir oh he usually travels on my lap... front seat

I haven't had the heart to tell anyone its a bad idea.

Mithrandir

(the snark / sarcasm / deadpan is strong today)

Shadow Wizard

@AndrasDeak one left for good due to the recent drama, the hot halpinio something.

Journeyman Geek

11:09 AM

@ShadowWizard nacho's a troll

Shadow Wizard

No

Andras Deak

Jalapeno? Was that MM?

Shadow Wizard

He is now, he wasn't before.

Journeyman Geek

naw

Mithrandir

@ShadowWizard Incorrect.

Shadow Wizard

11:09 AM

Last I checked, he had tons of rep on many sites, can't be a troll.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard hah, some trolls play the long game.

Mithrandir

You do not want to know the history there.

Somewhat

@AndrasDeak no, KK was MM (if I got Journeyman's comment)

Journeyman Geek

@Somewhat correct

Mithrandir

But I'll say that this has been going on for years and the legal team has gotten involved several times.

Shadow Wizard

11:10 AM

@Mithrandir TL;DR will be enough then. How a troll managed to get so much rep over so much time without being nuked before?

If by "troll" you mean someone who is rude towards newbies, well, it's not a troll.

Andras Deak

being a troll and being able to answer technical stuff is unrelated, right?

whatever "troll" means

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard some trolls play the long game

Shadow Wizard

We have many of those on SO, they sometimes get suspended, usually to come back and relax afrer that.

Journeyman Geek

sooo

while I can't talk about SE stuff

Shadow Wizard

e.g. YCS is probably the best example...

Journeyman Geek

11:12 AM

there was a troll on an old site I was in who basically pretended to be his girlfriend too...

Somewhat

I think YCS has come back? I saw his comment somewhere...

Journeyman Geek

was a battletech community so posted painted minis as her and so on...

Shadow Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ also got suspended for being rude on SO, no? This does not make him "troll".

Journeyman Geek

then one day...

user194636

genuine, subtle trolls (in the original meaning) are actually pretty rare

Journeyman Geek

11:12 AM

"she" got into an accident.

Bart

@Somewhat surprisingly not a troll though

Journeyman Geek

our 'local' mods went to visit her in the hospital and nothing...

Bart

ouch

Journeyman Geek

dude had basically pretended to be 2 people for years

Somewhat

Well, I got an impression on YCS, Joe Blow, and Evan...

Journeyman Geek

11:13 AM

So, ya

Somewhat

not necessarily true though

Journeyman Geek

trolls can totally play the long game

Andras Deak

@JourneymanGeek now that's really creepy

Journeyman Geek

@AndrasDeak it is

Andras Deak

I mean mods trying to visit her in the hospital

Mithrandir

11:13 AM

@ShadowWizard This is a completely different case, involving harassment, threats, physical safety concerns, and the legal team has been involved several times over the years. I'd advise not discussing it further.

Journeyman Geek

@AndrasDeak oh they had asked the boyfriend it was ok

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek still not a troll, IMO. Just someone with a sock, maybe dirty sock if he did stuff like voting, closing, etc.

Andras Deak

@JourneymanGeek heh

Journeyman Geek

and it was a VERY small, close-knit community

Shadow Wizard

Troll is someone who abuse others.

Repeatedly, on purpose, in order to hurt them and the site.

Journeyman Geek

11:14 AM

@ShadowWizard erm, can we say the JN story is a lot more complicated than you know, and we can't talk about a lot of it cause of our mod agreements? ;p

Shadow Wizard

Those last messages and posts from "JN" were pure trolling, but I saw it as part of ragequit.

Anyway..... meh.

Somewhat

@ShadowWizard probably not the first time...

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard trust us here ;)

Shadow Wizard

Well, such a person is likely to try and return, hope SE can stop them.

Somewhat

like the Turk?

Journeyman Geek

11:17 AM

@ShadowWizard well, the site might have to

I've had to deal with a persistant troll

and its easier/quicker for us to take away his toys, so to speak

Shadow Wizard

If this is all true and that person is a "classic troll", he probably have at least one other account, totally separate and innocent, ready to be used. Let's hope I'm wrong, as always. ;)

Mithrandir

@ShadowWizard I think I heard talk of a restraining order at some point

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard well he's not on my site so... all I hear is grapevine

Shadow Wizard

There was some Indian Hacker/Troll who kept threatening Tim Post personally years ago.... plus kept claiming he'll take SE down with DDOS attacks. Luckily for us all, it was all empty talk... or SE was able to block his attempts. :)

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body, potentially bad keyword in body (99): How to contact American Airlines Phone Number by dany login on travel.SE

Journeyman Geek

11:21 AM

He wanted to be made a mod right? ;p

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek yes! lol

That was funny in a twisted way.

Bart

@ShadowWizard Indian Hacker Team!!! :D

Shadow Wizard

yes!

@Bart has good memory.

Any tips? What you eat?! :D

user194636

He has meta wallpaper

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek any deleted threads of that still around?

Bart

11:23 AM

A combination of a curry and now peanut m&ms for desert

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch I heard of it, but I don't really have any examples I can find easily :(

Shadow Wizard

@Bart will give it a try!

no fish pills?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard ash ate em XD

Shadow Wizard

lol

Bart

@ShadowWizard only fish sauce for the curry at worst :D

Shadow Wizard

11:24 AM

I do love gefilte fish....

Bart

That's nice indeed

user194636

that just makes me think of Jackie Chan

Journeyman Geek

geflite fish?

Shadow Wizard

Wonder if any non-Jews ever even tried gefilte fish? Or Regel Krusha?

Bart

Don't know Regel Krusha, but gefilte fish yes.

Tinkeringbell

11:26 AM

@ShadowWizard Never had some, but that doesn't look too bad.

Shadow Wizard

Tinkeringbell

The slice of carrot does it.

Shadow Wizard

It's made of, well... fish. :) (the purple stuff in the back is very hot/spicy, at least should be.)

user194636

@JourneymanGeek yes, from Rush Hour 2

Journeyman Geek

I mean, why would that remind @PaulWhite of Jacky Chan

Bart

11:27 AM

@Tinkeringbell for me it's the sprig of parsley in the back :p

Tinkeringbell

@Bart That too...

user194636

Gefilte FIsh Blooper

►

Shadow Wizard

You don't want to know what's inside though. ;)

(hint: "regel" means "leg")

No worry! Not human.

Bart

Ooh, it's it marrow?

Shadow Wizard

:D

@Bart you're smart! :P

Tinkeringbell

11:29 AM

Hmmm. I must admit that the colour doesn't look very welcoming.

I think I'll pass.

I'll stick with drop.

Shadow Wizard

Even among Jews, only very few like it. I'm among them. :D

Bart

Had roast bone marrow before. It's quite nice, but somehow offputting at the same time.

Shadow Wizard

It's also with eggs, and.. eh... "jellified"? No idea what's the correct word.

user194636

the limes look nice

Tinkeringbell

@PaulWhite They're contaminated though...

Shadow Wizard

11:30 AM

lol

Somewhat

@ShadowWizard looks similar to

this is sweet though

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch there's screenshot in this question:

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Q: How to deal with users posting religious threats?

Just a few minutes ago, a particular user created two accounts and posted threatening posts against a certain religion. In such cases, what should be the action taken because the user can just keep creating accounts and keep posting such things because flagging is not going to help either. Here ...

support flags

@Somewhat nah, not remotely related. :)

What you posted is Jahnun, made of dough.

The Regel Krusha is mainly... Jelly. ;)

Tinkeringbell

I like Jelly.

Somewhat

I like Fish.

Tinkeringbell

I like some sorts of fish too :)

Mainly the fried ones :P

Somewhat

11:37 AM

perhaps no one likes Jelly Fish?

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch I found the originals. One, Two. Enjoy!

Tinkeringbell

@Somewhat jellyfish are the worst kind of people ;)

@ShadowWizard Ah... the original 404 errors. How original

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell get 10k rep already! :D

user194636

impossible: meta is dead!

Shadow Wizard

(or.. a diamond! ;))

Get 10k twitter followers then demand to join SE as some senior staff member. :P

Tinkeringbell

11:39 AM

@ShadowWizard Nah...

user194636

I'm not diverse enough

Shadow Wizard

@PaulWhite Meta is Dead, Long Live Twitter, the New Meta!

Tinkeringbell

@PaulWhite Which is sad. I feel for you :)

user194636

thx

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell feel what? :)

Tinkeringbell

11:40 AM

@ShadowWizard Long Live Twitter? What happened to Long Live Tink!?

@ShadowWizard Sadness at being not diverse enough ;)

Magisch

you're not diverse enough either @Tinkeringbell

Shadow Wizard

I never really got that term "feel for you"... what if I feel anger? :D

user194636

empathise is difficult to spell

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell doesn't ring enough Bells!

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Oh? Now it's interesting. Why am I boring? :P

Shadow Wizard

11:42 AM

You should spice up your life! :D

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell feathers not colorful enough

Shadow Wizard

Eat some jelly fish...

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Ahh. Well, to be honest... I want to work for a company that wants me for my competences, not for who I am ;)

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell OK, since you asked so nicely, here you go! No direct offense so can onebox it:

Tinkeringbell

So if I'm not diverse enough for a company, it's a company I don't want to work for in the first place ;)

Magisch

11:45 AM

@Tinkeringbell on a real note though, you're still straight, white and cisgendered, so in some areas you wouldn't be considered a positive for diversity in hiring

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard :P Okay, funny :)

Magisch

if the employer subscribes to that kind of thing

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch sadly there's some truth in that... eh.

user194636

@Magisch Including SE/SO

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Glad to be so ;) I'm already having trouble enough finding a place where people look further than just 'she's female!'

user194636

11:46 AM

I heard yesterday that SE/SO aren't hiring for senior positions until there is enough diversity among applicants

Bart

@Tinkeringbell diversify by accepting my acceleration proposal.

Tinkeringbell

@Bart Honestly... didn't you hear? I'm fat. I won't fit in an accelarator :P

Magisch

@PaulWhite that's just tech industry standard these days though. Some companies have quotas too

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell how many bits? 32 or 64? ;)

May 10 '17 at 13:20, by M.A.R.

@ShadowWizard FAT32 or NTFS?

lol

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ 32

(I was on diet)

Magisch

The tech industry is incredibly progressive as a whole, such things can't be seen in a vacuum

Shadow Wizard

11:49 AM

@Bart can you please build a Time Accelerator that will accelerate time, and take us 6-8 days into the future? Thanks!

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch I'm still feeling sad and upset about a lot of that stuff though, as it doesn't seem to be making my life any easier or better. If anything, it makes my workplace feel like the Tavern this week XD

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell well, someone also thought you were a suitable person for the job

I got mine cause I was willing to work the hours, and the pay wasn't insultingly low.

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell ultimately you're not the target audience though

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Did they?

Magisch

you tick too many boxes of mainstream

Journeyman Geek

11:54 AM

and lets be clear though If someone else happens to be ... how would I put it...

user194636

@Magisch progressive is such a loaded term. it suggests unambiguous goodness. who doesn't like progress?

Journeyman Geek

they fit someone's view of diversity better than I do, get the job and are kickass at it...

I've got no room to be mad

@Tinkeringbell unless you're literally the token female...

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Feels like it sometimes.

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell everyone keep ranting about the same thing over and over, and management keep silent? ;)

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell well, you don't sound like a warm body hire

Tinkeringbell

11:55 AM

@ShadowWizard Nah, just a load of discussions and interactions that manage to bring down my mood ;)

Journeyman Geek

I could tell you stories but I'd have to worry about a lot of scary TLAs ;)

Tinkeringbell

Small things happening that make me think my company isn't as great as I thought it was

user194636

@JourneymanGeek you'd have no reason to be if anyone else got the job and was kickass at it

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell example?

Tinkeringbell

Basically, reality slowly catching up to me.

Journeyman Geek

11:56 AM

@PaulWhite ya

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard bring your daughter to work day.

Used to be 'bring your kid'

Shadow Wizard

?

Magisch

the husband of my aunt works as a PM in a very large german corp

Tinkeringbell

Makes me mad and sad at the same time.

user194636

the only great company to work for is the one you start yourself

Shadow Wizard

11:56 AM

@Tinkeringbell What's wrong with that?

Journeyman Geek

@PaulWhite the question might be "If there's another role at the same place, should I bother trying?"

Magisch

he has to have 1 woman in every dev team unit lately

it's a firm requirement

user194636

@Tinkeringbell ugh

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard 'Used to be bring your kid'. Now it's just 'bring your daughter'

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch and hopefully there's enough talented female programmers to fill those roles.

user194636

11:57 AM

@JourneymanGeek if you're qualified and a good fit for the existing team, why not?

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell oh.. gender? Assuming everyone have daughter? It's just silly. Why making you mad?

feeling something is missing

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek Some teams. Other teams pull women internally from other roles and then train them to help

Journeyman Geek

@PaulWhite because I'm not sure if those criteria and met.

@Magisch actually the latter feels like a better way to go about it

user194636

@JourneymanGeek interviews work both ways

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek You say that until you're a woman who is told "you're a software developer now"

Journeyman Geek

11:58 AM

@PaulWhite assuming you make it to an interview

or you realise that the role's filled and they're going through the motions...

user194636

I've never understood that. Seems like a waste of everyone's time.

Journeyman Geek

and you're a failure for being unemployed

@PaulWhite one of the big companies I interviewed at had one interviewer 'missing'

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