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Shog9

9:08 PM

> Hello powerful person.

Bart

Hello

Ah ... that was a link

user315433

I'd VTC the question as too broad, but out of votes

user315433

@Vallentin Honestly, my question IS very open ended and generalized, but I needed help and SO is normally very helpful with stuff like this. I DID over-react though so my bad. — Nathan Wride Jan 9 '14 at 21:51

Catija

Not to be cruel but "I need help" isn't a "leave open" reason... I can't judge the breadth of the question, though.

Shog9

it's a wee bit dodgy that there's a bullet list of questions in the question

Catija

9:16 PM

That's not usually a good sign.

Shog9

not necessarily a show-stopper, but... Also may explain why no one has tried to answer in 4 years

user315433

How to enhance obsolescence awareness? 60% of obsolete answers are observed within 24 hours of answer creation

Catija

Well... it's also in a pile of 15 million questions... so...

Shog9

(save two answers that only reference articles / papers)

user315433

The answers become obsolete in 24 hours.... that's some pace of development.

Bart

9:17 PM

@Shog9 I love how he went straight to a conspiracy.

Shog9

the lizard people hate off-site links

Catija

Does that make you the ruler of the lizard people, since you wrote that Meta post... or merely their mouthpiece?

Bart

It's basically us all, Shog above that, and lizards all the way up

Catija

Ah, so an intermediary?

Shog9

A stack overflow user deletes an answer and goes to meta

Catija

9:22 PM

Escher :D Making those in school was always so fun.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Shog9 I <3 MCE!!!

user315433

Automatic dupe-comments require 50 rep (one can't close-flag-as-dupe with less): true? Help Center didn't clarify. There's a post by Wrz about this, but it looks like Help Center was edited since.

Catija

Anyway, @Shog9 and @AdamLear my goal wasn't to complain about lack of action. I know that there are a variety of priorities and they have to be triaged and not everything will get done... or at least not any time soon. I have problems I'm trying to deal with and I get excited when I hear people talking about them... so it hurts to realize that a lot of it's just talk.

Adam Lear

@Catija FWIW, it has recently been agreed internally that addressing culture problems is a priority. There is no specific plan at the moment because we haven't had a chance to come up with one yet, but the data team and the DAG/CoGro teams are gearing up for that.

I'm not super up on the specifics, but I know there's data gathering/analysis happening already.

user315433

9:37 PM

Hopefully the plan will somehow address the various forms of "We are not X" and "Stack Overflow is not X" comments.

Catija

@AdamLear I've heard, actually :) I'm looking forward to seeing it.

Adam Lear

Let's just start one of those "Type in 'Stack Overflow is' and let predictive text finish the sentence" memes and adopt whatever comes out :P

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Adam "There is no specific plan at the moment because we haven't had a chance to come up with one yet" Here's probably one example:
> https://german.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1362/is-this-question-understandable
Read everything in depth, and try to capture the whole background please.

Catija

Formatting doesn't work in multi-line messages :P

πάντα ῥεῖ

Yeah :-P

Catija

9:40 PM

@AdamLear Yeah... the top Google autocomplete right now is "Stack Overflow is toxic"... followed by "Stack Overflow is down".

Adam Lear

ah yes, the two genders

I seem to have hit the "shitpost in chat" part of my day. Usually I reserve it for internal rooms, but hey... :)

πάντα ῥεῖ

A more clear definition what should be concerned as rude or offensive would be a probably good 1st step. But that really seems to be a cultural issue as far I've noticed so far.

Adam Lear

There's definitely a cultural component to it.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@LangLangC "and so highly relative to differing cultural norms and practices as to be almost dangerously meaningless." I have to agree to some point with that, yes. For my experience especially asian people would feel awkwardly insulted, if someone critiques or even only asks for more clarification. Doing such in an honest and direct way is considered "rude" in their culture. Such things might become a frequent source of misunderstandings. At least I feel myself being a bit of offended since the OP did link my account here, just like putting me at a pillory. — πάντα ῥεῖ Apr 19 at 21:29

Loosing face

Journeyman Geek

ughm morning

Catija

9:49 PM

> Fails to meet the Be Nice Policy

πάντα ῥεῖ

Well, we're still before 0:00 am at this timezone ;-)

rene

@JourneymanGeek You have a cold?

Journeyman Geek

sore thoat, night shift,and lots of terrible singing along

Catija

Did you figure out speakers?

Journeyman Geek

oh there;s a pair in my laptop

they warble with the cruxshadows...

and sound tinny with TS....

rene

9:52 PM

My neighbors didn't like the speakers, especially when I did karaoke

Shog9

@bro AFAIK, we dropped that when we added the restriction on editing comments for 15-49 rep users

Journeyman Geek

there's no one on the floor

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Catija Or just needs to be broad enough to get everyone into the boat.

@rene Admit it you're doing Heavy Metal karaoke ;)

Catija

@πάνταῥεῖ I don't really see how we can prohibit asking direct questions that encourage a user to improve their post... and I don't really see how it's appropriate to validate r/a flags on such comments.

Journeyman Geek

@AdamLear as a smaller site mod... is it just SO?

(I mean, SU isn't perfect but we don't have the same scaling issues)

user315433

9:55 PM

SO has 66 megacomments, SU has 1.3. data.stackexchange.com

rene

@πάνταῥεῖ only Schlagers

Adam Lear

@JourneymanGeek I think similar problems exist on many sites (in part because a lot of our sites are effectively "X for programmers" by virtue of how the network was created), but SO is the most prominent due to scale and other factors (as in, tech is an industry with its own set of issues whereas something like "computer users" just isn't a thing in the same way)

πάντα ῥεῖ

@rene Ugh, that's probably worse

rene

@πάνταῥεῖ Rosamunde

πάντα ῥεῖ

> youtube.com/watch?v=u0yqKrGKukE

The dutch revenge ...

One notable thing is that SO scales differently for different programming language tags like javascript , php vs c++ or c. And behavior and tolerance of the frequent members is quite different also.

As joel stated there once was the comp.lang.c usenet group, and that was kinda different thing.

Catija

10:19 PM

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Q: Left nav, responsive design, and theming next steps

In the post entitled Ch-ch-ch-changes: Left nav, responsive design, & themes, I described a number of changes that are coming with the introduction of the left navigation bar. In addition to the navigation changes, we will be introducing responsive design and new theming across the Stack Exchange...

Shadow Wizard

@PrincessLuna oh my... pun was tutali meesed

(maybe use more common words.. ?) :)

user315433

Hm. Standard voting arrows, I somehow missed that. I like Sharepoint voting arrows, it's the best thing about the site. GIS probably has the ugliest.

Catija

But, hey... custom badges. I think they're fun but I don't know that I understand how amazing they are.

user315433

Custom badges are kind of weird when you get notified of one while on another site. I would not miss them becoming round dots.

Shadow Wizard

@bro here is the new standard upvote arrow:

Everyone must Like it.

user315433

10:30 PM

Good post by Joe.

user315433

@ShadowWizard Not a fist bump?

user315433

Yeah, I know, gender based, etc.

Catija

Fist bumps are gendered?

Shadow Wizard

Hand is cross gender, and so is thumb. :)

But it's white, so can be seen as racist.

"Only white people can vote!" etc. :D

Shog9

...what

the icon is blue on my screen?

Eiffel 65 - Blue (Da Ba Dee)

►

Catija

10:41 PM

The outline is blue but the surface of the hand is shades of grey.

Shog9

still looks blue to me. Maybe optical illusion?

Shadow Wizard

Sonic Wizard

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309351/…

Shadow Wizard

oh wait... image might be transparent, @Shog. You have blue theme or something?

Shog9

Catija

10:51 PM

Not transparent... still looks grey.

Shog9

it's a subtly blue gray

Catija

Those numbers are almost identical between the three... :P

Particularly the green-blue.

Shog9

green-blue swapped

Catija

That's much more green.

Shog9

red-blue swapped

Sonic Wizard

10:55 PM

What do you guys think of my request to enable the feature for <5 rep users to ask about their own post on per-site metas on SO? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/366373

Shog9

y'all just need to calibrate your monitors

Catija

Almost beige-y.

user315433

@Catija Empirically, I never saw women greet each other with a fist bump. Not that they can't or shouldn't....

Shog9

@SonicWizard seems reasonable

user315433

@SonicWizard Go for it. :)

Catija

10:56 PM

@bro I don't generally see anyone greet other people with fist bumps... outside of jokes or people who prefer the fact it's more sanitary than actual handshakes.

Shog9

Fist bumps should be reserved for greeting Howie Mandel and Barack Obama

Catija

But my MIL tries to get Bennett to fist bump her from time to time but he's not really figured out how to make a fist.

Sonic Wizard

delv-pls 20k+ meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309351/…

πάντα ῥεῖ

Isn't that already under TM of facebook?

Sonic Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ We're not using it to demean Facebook

Catija

10:59 PM

@SonicWizard I think the original (joke) was that it should be used instead of the voting arrows.

πάντα ῥεῖ

Is that relevant if they hold the TM?

Sonic Wizard

@Catija It's actually advertised as such in the university clinic...I saw a poster about it in the exam room

user315433

> A registered trademark confers a bundle of exclusive rights upon the registered owner, including the right to exclusive use of the mark in relation to the products or services for which it is registered.

user315433

> The law in most jurisdictions also allows the owner of a registered trademark to prevent unauthorized use of the mark in relation to products or services which are identical or "colourfully" similar to the "registered" products or services, and in certain cases, prevent use in relation to entirely dissimilar products or services.

Catija

@SonicWizard Yep. That's probably where I saw it... a while back.

Sonic Wizard

11:02 PM

@Shog9 Can you please implement it and slap a status-completed on it, then?

Shog9

Help prevent the spread of germs: when greeting, refrain from shaking hands; instead, turn your head and cough into your elbow.

@SonicWizard probably not today, got too many things happening to keep an eye on it.

But, I'll ask around & see if anyone has objections

user315433

Spitting on the floor is another option.

Sonic Wizard

@Shog9 Would be great if you responded with data as to how the feature is being used on other sites

πάντα ῥεῖ

@bro That's utterly rude behavior! At least in sight of the facility keeping personnel.

Shog9

there's a rabbit outside my window. It's really fat.

user315433

11:06 PM

Since buns range from crepuscular to nocturnal, it's recommended that you enable the scheduled "Do Not Disturb" mode on your phone to avoid being woken by alerts about Night Buns.

Shog9

what should I eat for supper?

Catija

Rabbit?

Shog9

that does sound good

user315433

Or, the thing that that rabbit ate to become that fat.

Shog9

I had grass for lunch

user315433

11:07 PM

Do I need any more that in that sentence?

Shog9

could've said that thing

Catija

Grass for lunch?

user315433

Eaten or smoked?

Shog9

hey, lettuce isn't safe these days, gotta make do

it rained / snowed over the weekend; the yard is full of fresh greenery

Catija

Apparently not all lettuce: cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/89302/…

Shog9

11:10 PM

grass yes, but also chives, onions, garlic, dandelions, rhubarb... Don't eat rhubarb leaves, it will give you kidney stones or something nasty like that. But the rest is good.

gallstones maybe?

I forget.

Catija

I thought rhubarb was for pie.

Shog9

not the leaves

they have... something in them. I forget what. Whatever it is, same stuff in Barkeeper's Friend. So, don't eat that either. Also try to avoid excessive skin contact.

Catija

Oxalic acid.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Shog9 If it's weed germs, they'll need about 6-8 weeks to start flowering and another 6-8 weeks to finish the buds ;-)

Shog9

yeah, that's the stuff

Catija

11:12 PM

Kidney failure.

Shog9

I was right the first time then.

@πάνταῥεῖ that's just what they tell you to keep you feeding them while they take their sweet time developing.

Catija

The amount in rhubarb leaves/100 g is the same as in carrots... so just don't eat 5 kg and you'll be fine.

gardenmyths.com/oxalic-acid-rhubarb-leaves-harm-you

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Shog9 I've overtaken that phrase for my job. But really, the typical flowering phase of weed is 6-8 weeks :-D

Shog9

@Catija huh, that's good to know

Catija

Though... I guess that the point there is, if it's poisonous, it's not because of the oxalic acid... the general recommendation I'm seeing is still "don't eat the leaves".

Shog9

11:17 PM

@πάνταῥεῖ yeah, if you measure from when buds first appear

πάντα ῥεῖ

^That

Shog9

@Catija well, they also don't taste very good

Catija

Seems like reason enough to just eat the stems, then.

πάντα ῥεῖ

The stems also should be cooked before consumption.

Shog9

@Catija caveat on that... They're looking at the lethal dose.

Kidney stones may not kill you, but they ain't fun either

πάντα ῥεῖ

11:19 PM

Heavy pains as I've heard so far :-(

Especially if they'll escape the kidney.

Catija

Yeah. There's some indication there may also be some unidentified poison present.

user315433

Spinach has 0.97% oxalic acid, versus 0.52 for rhubarb leaves. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxalic_acid#Content_in_food_items

user315433

I like spinach. :( (and carrots with 0.50%)

πάντα ῥεῖ

Popeye :)

And you know about that miss of the mythical spinach power?

A simple math failure

Catija

Parsley is 1.7%... but I don't think people eat much of it in one go unless they really like tabbouli.

Shog9

11:25 PM

he always ate canned spinach. Maybe the steel cans weren't lined?

πάντα ῥεῖ

Isn't oxalic acid used in cosmetics (skin applied)? I'm not sure to remember well about that.

user315433

I don't know about mythical powers. But spinach, carrots, radishes, broccoli, .... are things I like, and now I see there's oxalic acid everywhere.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Shog9 LOL

user315433

Gotta eat more burgers to compensate, throwing out the lettuce leaf.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@bro It's typical for most vegetables

Shog9

11:26 PM

Just enjoy peeing without pain now, while you can

Catija

Only if it's from arizona.

user315433

Appreciate the little things, yes.

Catija

I'm sort of surprised that kale is so low, considering how dark green and leafy it is... though, I think kale is really high in heavy metals.

I'd be happy if it returned to being decoration for salad bars at some point in the future... rather than being an ingredient :P

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Shog9 I've got different problemz regarding that. But that's "normal" at my age :-/

Shog9

@Catija there are better reasons not to eat kale

Catija

11:28 PM

It tastes bad?

Shog9

also has a terrible texture and smells lousy

πάντα ῥεῖ

You'll fart alot

Shog9

hat-trick!

but speaking of kale... Why aren't more people eating mustard greens? If you like weird-looking strongly-flavored veggies, mustard plants are cheap, easy to grow and damn good in a sandwich

πάντα ῥεῖ

You can kick me now :-D

@Shog9 Well, rucola is very trendy here. But I don't like it that much.

Catija

I've never liked the taste of mustard greens but I can't say I've given them a chance.

Shog9

11:31 PM

we used to have to gather rocket up by the wagon load and throw them into the brush to keep them from spreading into the grain fields. Prior to flowering, the leaves are tender and just a little spicy

πάντα ῥεῖ

I like horse raddish more

Same kind

Shog9

both is good

Catija

Rocket's a good salad green.

Shog9

rye bread, horseradish, mustard greens, and thin-sliced roast beef... Man, that's a great sandwich right there.

πάντα ῥεῖ

THX for the english translation, didn't know yet.

@Shog9 Yummy!

Catija

11:33 PM

I've been really enjoying a rye/pumpernickel swirl loaf right now.

Used it for egg sandwiches Saturday morning.

Shog9

tasty

πάντα ῥεῖ

Cress goes well with eggs and bread (and butter)

Shog9

I'm not sure I've ever eaten cress

Catija

Something fresh would probably have made a nice contrast... this was sausage, scrambled egg, extra sharp cheddar and the rye/pumpernickel bread, toasted. Didn't even butter the toast.

πάντα ῥεῖ

Also called pepperweed and easy to grow.

Catija

11:37 PM

Probably a good microgreen to grow in your basement.

πάντα ῥεῖ

Still all about these mustard aromes

Sonic Wizard

11:55 PM

@Shog9 What do you think of this?

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Q: Warn new users who ran into a question ban on other sites before they post here on Meta

I propose that new users who recently ran into a ban from asking questions anywhere else on the network be shown a warning before asking a question here on Meta Stack Exchange. A huge portion of those questions are either users asking about their ban (who should ask on their per-site meta instea...

feature-request meta post-ban warning

user202362

Catija

@SonicWizard animuson seems pretty certain that it's impossible...

Sonic Wizard

@Catija The post has been edited since he made that comment. See the bottom update.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@TelKitty popsci.com/sites/popsci.com/files/styles/655_1x_/public/…

Sonic Wizard

while comment from @animuson about "incredible difficulty" is technically correct, it is also very easy to address if you edit the proposal and replace warning criteria of "banned from asking" with very similar but much more practical "who recently bumped into question block". Information about cases when user actually hit the block is kept in the system and is rather easy to obtain, as evidenced eg by answers to this statistics request at SE.SE meta. As a side note you can request similar stats for MSE — gnat Apr 20 at 13:16

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