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user202362

10:00 AM

<3 lemme know when the foal is born so I can come camp with you <3

user310756

user310756

user202362

@YvetteColomb or this :p

user310756

@TelKitty I love that vid. would you believe I've seen it before?

user310756

user202362

10:05 AM

Yeah you probably have seen half of the horse videos on youtube :p

Journeyman Geek

@YvetteColomb ooh, the little one's legs are better?

user310756

so much better! thanks for noticing

user310756

@JourneymanGeek pets.stackexchange.com/questions/20137/…

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@YvetteColomb the way the Q and A are formed are kinda weird

user310756

10:09 AM

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ weird how?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Maybe that's how a Pets thread should be, I dunno

@YvetteColomb it's like a question-answer amalgam

user310756

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ oh the question is not clear?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Both the Q and A contain bits of a Q and A

user310756

> I am seeking veterinary help, but in the meantime was wondering if anyone had any knowledge about this.

Shadow Wizard

Trivia: what is this graph?

(those who know Hebrew, don't spoil! ;))

user310756

10:11 AM

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ oh - I think a lot of my horse posts are a bit like that.. they become stories almost

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard It's a SE image load spinner

Derpy

another probable spam account to monitor

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ proxy!

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Derpy Smokey sees all

@ShadowWizard it's a graph of a proxy?

Oh, now it's a graph of image not found

Kinda ironic

Derpy

this instead deserves to be burinated with extreme prejudice

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

10:13 AM

@Derpy haha

user310756

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ like this pets.stackexchange.com/questions/19624/… and this pets.stackexchange.com/questions/15445/… and this pets.stackexchange.com/questions/18199/… they are very detailed. I hope that all the info can help others who may have similar situations

hey

@ShadowWizard Reverse Image Search spoiled me...

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ nope

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@YvetteColomb yeah, amalgam. I mean, Martin likes posting extremely long answers on Chem, but those are different

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ nope

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

10:14 AM

Like a booklet

@ShadowWizard nope

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy there are thousands of profile-only spammers. SE doesn't have enough employees to nuke them all, will simply take too much time.

user310756

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ can you pinpoint a bit more what you mean? do you think they need improving?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@YvetteColomb No, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with them. I'm just saying it's not the form I'm used to

hey

@ShadowWizard The tooltip on a news site says "The biggest economic bubbles in history"

So, it's a graph of tulip sales

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I'm used to concrete, scientific nerdy questions and answers. Clear-cut

Shadow Wizard

10:17 AM

lol

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@hey hey

hey

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ M.A.R.

Derpy

@ShadowWizard Already said it. Give me a button and I will delete them for free whenever one catches my eye. :P

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ @lame lame

:D

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@hey ಠ_ಠ

user310756

10:19 AM

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ oh sure - but if you think they could be improved, I'm happy to hear it.

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy you need a diamond, not a button... here you go!

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@YvetteColomb all I know about horses is that they can kick you into fifth dimension

user310756

@ShadowWizard lolol

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ only when they have horn

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard give me tick boxes and a button, and I will, to put it indelicately wipe em out like a cat on an island of flightless birds.

user310756

10:21 AM

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ oh yeh - they can kick - I love them though and all the horses I have bar one came to me scared of people, I seem to love the challenge of making them love and trust me... they're amazing.. our pregnant girl wouldn't let me touch her when she arrived, now she seriously follows me around the paddock like a dog.. she's so cute..

user310756

A rather large and horse shaped shadow

shadow?

Horse vs kangaroo?

Yes

Yes?

user310756

10:22 AM

@hey in terms of?

hey

kicking?

Journeyman Geek

Personally?

Depends on the horse, or the kangaroo.

hah

Shadow Wizard

kangaroo kicks are funny, horse kicks not so much.

Derpy

@ShadowWizard You mean Tom?

Tom the Boulder

►

user310756

@hey oh kangaroos will attack you by clawing at you and kicking out in front. Horses will kick you from their rear. They can strike out with front legs. My little girl foal did that the other day (she didn't touch me) but I waved the naughty finger at her and told her we don't do that

Shadow Wizard

10:27 AM

@Derpy yes Tom is good enough, I guess.

user310756

@ShadowWizard kangaroos can seriously injure you

Shadow Wizard

@YvetteColomb any animal can, I guess.

It's all matter how well one can train/control the animals. :)

hey

Slow loris also c............................................................................ a..........................................................

Shadow Wizard

? ... ? .... ? ....... ?

your cat is on your keyboard?

hey

n.

Shadow Wizard

10:30 AM

your dog?

user310756

@ShadowWizard nope - kangaroos cannot be domesticated (unless hand raised as joeys) they cannot be trained or controlled.

Shadow Wizard

@YvetteColomb oh, too bad

user310756

independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/…

hey

Thinking about slow loris, turtle, or snail...

Derpy

@ShadowWizard Does the staff accept fake diamonds too?

hey

10:32 AM

I'm imagining a slow animal that will run away faster than a cheetah when annoyed

user310756

@ShadowWizard well our domesticated animals have been bred by man for centuries.. dogs, cats, horses, cattle.. they've been developed from the wild and totally transformed and are used to living with people. They're different from wild animals, that do not easily fit in with the human life style - usually not without inflicting some kind of cruel training methods i.e. elephants in circuses

Shadow Wizard

@hey what's a "loris"? Googling

status-new-word-learned

@Derpy no, they melt them down and make bracelets out of them.

Shog wears one, for sure.

:D

@YvetteColomb yeah that's very true.... at least elephants are no longer in circuses as far as I know, at least not in Israel.

hey

ugh, actually I wanted to refer to "sloth" from Zootopia, not "loris". But I only remembered the Indonesian for "loris", hence the wrong reference -_-

Shadow Wizard

lol

user310756

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3844040/…

user310756

10:37 AM

@ShadowWizard yeh - it's diminishing

hey

domesticating rabbits in Aussie...

user310756

@hey huh?

hey

just speaking my mind out loud...

Shadow Wizard

@YvetteColomb well, looks like horses are very dangerous too, but guess you know what you're doing! :-)

hey

I watched on YouTube how rabbits became pests in Aussie..

user310756

10:41 AM

@ShadowWizard lolol I'm sure there's more injuries with horses. Most people don't get that close to kangaroos

Shadow Wizard

true

user310756

@hey oh yes! they've caused all sort of damage to the land - erosion

user310756

@ShadowWizard I love that link

Shadow Wizard

@YvetteColomb why?

user310756

@ShadowWizard horses kill more people than venoumous animals

Derpy

10:46 AM

@YvetteColomb and some are even venomous too!

that's why you should stick to candy-colored pastel ponies instead.

user310756

@Derpy definitely :)

Shadow Wizard

sd k

@Adam looks like the bug is spreading and becoming serious, any chance to take a look on this?

0

Q: Bug: Can't post or access my questions on Android Enthusiasts

So I asked a question on Android Enthusiasts and when it loaded, I had a different very long username, only on that site, and I am not the only one experiencing this bug, this is another one with the same problem The difference is, when I try to load the question, it says "failed to load". And I...

The third report in the last two days, surely there are many more who didn't bother to report but simply got away.

Something is borked in the app/API when it try to create a new account, you fixed something related in the past, hence I'm hoping you'll have a better clue as to what's going on.

Derpy

11:48 AM

Dear Marvel/Disney.

in The Restaurant at the End of the Universe on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 4 mins ago, by Derpy

the original Marvel Super Heroes game had both Blackheart and Shuma Gorath as available characters.

Why you didn't feature Shuma Gorath in Infinity War ;_;

user202362

12:23 PM

I suggest you should see a psychiatrist too @M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ your mental state seems to have been going down the drain recently

user202362

we are worried

Shadow Wizard

12:36 PM

@TelKitty if you'll have to stick needles into your hand three times a week, you'll be in bad mental state too...

Derpy

12:55 PM

I have the weird felling I have missed something while I was busy in the Sugarcube. Something that already got removed. Probably for the best.

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy he said it in Den few times, and mentioned it here as well...

Apr 10 at 19:54, by M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I would keep rising against the system, but I feel dizzy after dialysis

Princess Luna

@ShadowWizard Wait, what?

Shadow Wizard

TL;DR: kidneys stopped working. Need dialysis three times a week. Waiting for kidney transplant.

@PrincessLuna ^

user202362

omg I feel bad now ...

Shadow Wizard

nah, @M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ is cool.

He even love pings. Right? @M.A.R. ;)

Derpy

1:01 PM

this explains a lot. Didn't know that.

Shadow Wizard

Now you know. :)

Princess Luna

@hey Someone said Zootopia? :3

@ShadowWizard Oh

@TelKitty yeah, me too

Nog Shine

@PrincessLuna Do you like the movie?

Princess Luna

I may or may not have watched it 6 times

cough

Journeyman Geek

Oh damn.

hey

1:12 PM

Oh dam.

Nog Shine

Oh da.

Princess Luna

What can I tell ya, it's on netflix xD

hey

@SmokeDetector ignore-

user202362

In November 2015, Administrator Bolden of NASA reaffirmed the goal of sending humans to Mars. He laid out 2030 as the date of a manned surface landing, and noted that planned 2020 Mars rover would support the human mission.

user202362

I am timing you

Shadow Wizard

1:18 PM

> Editor's note: Charles Bolden resigned as NASA administrator on Jan. 20, 2017. This material is being kept online for historical purposes, but it will no longer be updated

hey

That's a bold move from Charles Bolden.

Princess Luna

@ShadowWizard see above ^ xD

user202362

1:34 PM

Seriously though, not sure why this gender inequality in tech thing is getting so much attention. It's probably an decoy to hiding the real issue - gross incompetence! The A.I. system looks like a piece of shit and manned Mars mission has been in the planning for the past 50 years. And shameless people has been boasting their pathetic 'intelligence'. Annoying!

Shadow Wizard

@TelKitty uber is crappy company. I wasn't surprised their car is also crappy.

user202362

I am not against dumb people, they didn't ask to be born stupid, but I really can not stand ignorant retard who thinks very high of himself when in reality, he has created very little value and does not have the ability to create more.

Shadow Wizard

Still, with 1 to 1000000 chance for mistake, I'll say it's x1000 safer than human drivers.

user202362

@ShadowWizard it's not about uber, it's about A.I. used in self driving cars

Shadow Wizard

@TelKitty but it happened in uber car.

hey

1:37 PM

A.I. is gendered too.

Shadow Wizard

They probably didn't want to spend money on good AI

user202362

moving object detection is a small subset of problems facing self driving cars

user202362

lane detections, for example is another

hey

Like, is there non-biased A.I.?

Shadow Wizard

Anyway, these days anything mentioning both words "female" and "power" gets attention, either positive or negative. That's just how things are.

user202362

1:40 PM

@ShadowWizard do you know how self driving car works?

hey

@TelKitty just like your autonomous (toy) car?

user202362

I have been playing around with a bit recently, I still do not know much, but I think I know slightly more than most people here

Shadow Wizard

@TelKitty no, but I know it takes tons of money to develop it. And some people prefer to... not spend lots of money. Common sense. :)

hey

And I wonder where those Google's self-driving cars went poof...

never heard news about them again

user202362

I think there was a fatal crash, then ... poof

Shadow Wizard

1:44 PM

@hey no news is good news in this case. News are only when bad things happen.

But it didn't poof anywhere, e.g. zdnet.com/article/…

Also.. forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2018/03/24/…

user202362

autonomous car is not hard to develop if you have trillions of dollars - just send a million cars to do brutal force driving through all possible locations many times - can even safe a bit money if you use satellites to help

user202362

get traffic authority to give you updates

Shadow Wizard

@TelKitty driving is the easiest part.

Problem is object detection.

And what to do with it.

user202362

object detection would be ease if you have encountered it billions of times

hey

:6882281 ~~waiting for the user to be removed~~ done

user202362

1:49 PM

the backbone of self driving car is machine learning, through tensorflow or something simiar

hey

yet, image recognition can still be tricked by people

user202362

there are many instruments you can use to detect objections around the car

user202362

visible light is only one way to detect objects

user202362

there are other ways to detect distance and velocity of things around you - you need to pay more attentions to living creatures in the nature :p

Feeds

2:28 PM

"But there are seven billion people in the world! I can't possibly stop to consider how ALL of them might interpret something!" "Ah, yes, there's no middle ground between 'taking personal responsibility for the thoughts and feelings of every single person on Earth' and 'covering your eyes and ears and yelling logically correct statements into the void.' That's a very insightful point and not at all inane."

hey

@Feeds somewhat sounds very very familiar

user359686

2:41 PM

@Derpy Hai :3

Catija

Monday morning and they're already breaking stuff:

We're reverting a bad Stack Overflow build now. ETA 90 seconds.

Tweeted by Nick_Craver on April 23, 2018 at 2:30 PM

Shadow Wizard

@Catija huh? What went wrong?

Catija

Dunno.

Shadow Wizard

checking MSO

putting gas mask first

huh!

9

Q: Getting 'Oops! Something Bad Happened!'

I'm trying to get on to the homepage but I keep getting this issue: Chrome: 66.0.3359.117 (Official Build) (64-bit) OS: Windows 10

support error-message

taking gas mask off, bolting out of MSO

support... LOL

If that's not a bug, what is a bug???

trivial common sense.

MSO is so... weird.

Anonymous

3:07 PM

Man, five minutes of downtime and all of the critical tweets are swept out of Twitter search results, replaced with a wave of "Stack Overflow my savior please return!"

6

Princess Luna

lol

user315433

Why did not they think of that earlier...

user315433

Next time there's a Twitter storm enveloping SO, some SRE will get a call.

user315433

@Feeds Meh, Randall did that already in xkcd.com/1028

user315433

3:25 PM

Meanwhile, Joel blogs about Strange and maddening rules

user315433

> we could improve the prompts we provide on the “Ask Question” page, and we could provide more tools for community moderation of comments where the snark currently runs unchecked.

user315433

In 6-8 ~~weeks~~ years

user315433

> direct your questions to a private, smaller group of people on your own team

user315433

Like... Stack Overflow Academy team.

Shadow Wizard

@rene I'm disappointed you didn't invite me to your party.

Party answered in the websockets answer — rene 3 hours ago

@JeremyBanks this should be added to some Hall of Fame for chat messages. ;)

@bro there's really such a thing?? (Can't tell when you're joking and when you're not :))

user315433

3:59 PM

@ShadowWizard What is the purpose of this site? and Does the “Stack Overflow Academy” duplicate other support channels?

user315433

and Boundary between Stack Overflow Academy and Meta Stack Overflow?

user315433

It looks like SOA could work as a cheam, it if is viable in any form.

user315433

As for comments... a number of them proclaim that all that Stack Overflow is good for is debugging code. Kind of sad.

user315433

Hmmm... yeah, except we're not here to develop your application for you. We can help debug if you're stuck and don't know what's wrong with your code, but here you're just asking us to write code for you. — Jeremy Thille 36 mins ago

user315433

A typical example.

user315433

4:14 PM

These norms perpetuate; for example, I consider 3-point (triangle) color gradient in Python a decent question (the "library" at the end should be edited out) but it's a review audit as an example of "bad".

user315433

It's a question that other people may also have. But apparently, having an answer to it on Stack Overflow would be somehow harmful.

user315433

Nav 3.0 should have a setting "all I can do is look for typos in code, don't show me questions without code".

user315433

4:46 PM

/(stack ?overflow is|we are) not\b/i => 1 flag deletion

Shadow Wizard

5:05 PM

Not really surprising, @Peter ignores requests to not edit questions that were just recently closed.

(e.g. meta.stackexchange.com/posts/309335/revisions)

It's like asking someone not to breathe... edits are his very core. :D

"active reading" (whatever it means) should be "active bumping/wasting reviewers time".

user315433

FR: disable automatic reopen-after-edit on Meta... and maybe per-site metas.

user315433

@JeremyBanks SO is back online, critical tweets are back.

user315433

> That is so sad. I guess HN is the second most toxic community, right after @StackOverflow -- Dominic Monn at 9:57 AM - 23 Apr 2018

rene

@ShadowWizard :/

Anonymous

@bro Pft, HN can't even get their criticism right.

Anonymous

5:13 PM

It should be "What kind of sadist are you to still be using MacOS in 2018?"

user315433

> We understood that this might mean that some of the more advanced people might grow bored with duplicate, simple questions, and move on. We thought that was fine: Stack Overflow doesn’t have to be a lifetime commitment. You’re welcome to get bored and move on if you think that the newbies keep asking why they can’t return local char arrays (“but it works for me!”) and you would rather devote the remaining short years of your life to something more productive, like sorting your record albums.

Anonymous

(Best result of working at Stack Overflow: it being the final straw to break me away from Macs.)

user315433

(from Joel's post). I never saw this position stated before.

Anonymous

> Even as we try to make Stack Overflow more friendly, our primary consideration at Stack Overflow has been to build the world’s greatest resource for software developers. The average programmer, in the world, has been helped by Stack Overflow 340 times. That’s the real end-game here.

Anonymous

> There are other resources for learning to program and getting help, but there’s only one site in the world that developers trust this much, and that is worth preserving—the programming equivalent to the Library of Congress.

Anonymous

5:19 PM

PREACH!

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

5:38 PM

@TelKitty Ô_o wonder what makes you say that

user315433

@JeremyBanks Wouldn't it be great if the Library of Congress was controlled by a financially unstable for-profit organization?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Well, my jokes have gotten a bit darker in other chats. I also joke more like the Joker

Princess Luna

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Just be careful, you don't wanna end up in the punitentary :P

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Pony tent, what?

@ShadowWizard they're uber crappy

Princess Luna

5:55 PM

punitentary, not related to ponies

rene

6:25 PM

Is there an ETA for the next build to production? I think I'm waiting for something better than 30013.

πάντα ῥεῖ

6:37 PM

sd fp

πάντα ῥεῖ

6:50 PM

sd tpu-

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ sometimes!

@PrincessLuna what is "punitentary"? (this is the top Google search result, not really explaining what it is...)

Anonymous

7:06 PM

@rene step 1 step 2 step 3

rene

:D

Shadow Wizard

oh wait... you meant "penitentiary"? @Pri

Also a word probably 90% of the people aren't familiar with (including native English speakers), but at least correct spelling.... :P

Catija

Penitentiary meaning prison?

πάντα ῥεῖ

Forensic psychatry?

sd tpu-

Shadow Wizard

7:24 PM

@Catija prison for "big" crimes, yeah

Catija

Jail vs prison. :) I'm pretty sure that penitentiary is synonymous to prison. "Jail" is for small crimes. :)

Shadow Wizard

@Catija huh, might be!

anyway.... @Princess meant she doesn't want @M.A.R. to end up like this:

:D

Catija

Oh, by the way, I'm talking about something like this in my comment:

I couldn't find a round one in unicode.

Shadow Wizard

oh lol

Do we have anything like that on SE?

Catija

Closest thing I can think of are the userboxes and the tag pop-outs... but we do use them.

Shadow Wizard

7:29 PM

anyway, that character is used by browsers when the actual character isn't found, hence my confusion. @Catija

Catija

HA. :D

Shadow Wizard

e.g. banana unicode when the OS doesn't have proper font... :)

Catija

Actually, the markdown editing help uses such a symbol in edit panes.

It has helper text but not a popup but it does link to the markdown help page.

Shadow Wizard

Now we have both @hi and @hey, though the first doesn't ping as far as I can tell. ;)

rene

→ 28 messages moved to Chimney

Princess Luna

7:40 PM

@ShadowWizard punitentary is the penitentary you go to for puns. The typo was on purpose (punitentary) :3

Horrible puns*

Like that one XD

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^LOL

Princess Luna

^w^

user315433

And speaking of strange deliveries, one of our moderators apparently sent a box of squirrels to one of our users. We might be officially endorsing this, but I need to check on the circumstances.

Tweeted by tinkertim on April 23, 2018 at 6:20 PM

user315433

Unlike a box of spiders, which is a thing traditionally sent to employees.

Princess Luna

Lol

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

7:44 PM

@ShadowWizard I know what pentation . . . That word means

rene

@bro probably to Kyll (now named Paul). He is the in-house squirrel of SOCVR ....

user315433

0

A: Why do snakes not have eyelids?

My teacher is making me do more work but I already said that snakes dont have eylids, They have a small scale on each eye so the eye will not dry out.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard wow that's cool

user315433

FFS teacher, what more do you need

user315433

8:01 PM

> Laugh madly while the world burns (functionally equivalent to #2) meta.stackexchange.com/a/309344

user315433

Trivia: before hashcode.ru migrated to SE platform and became ru.SO, it had a limit on the number of comments one could leave (don't know the details.)

Shog9

@user5389107 yeah, sounds like that might be worth a try. Send a spreadsheet or CSV to team@stackoverflow.com

"user5389107"?! These "clever" renamings are getting out of hand.

user315433

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Apr 19 at 8:46, by Magisch

I'm retiring from SE for now. Not sure how permanent that'll be. Also not sure if I'll end up deleting my account or not. It's really hard to stay away from something that was part of your life for so long. Peace out.

Shog9

Hmmf.

@DoritoStyle to clarify: I didn't ignore your point, because I have no idea what your point was. I ignored the purpose of the question, since I felt it was based on a faulty premise. (I later addressed it in a different answer as a courtesy to the author).

(replying within a week as promised)

If you're still concerned about this, I highly recommend writing an answer to that question yourself; I suspect you'll have a much easier time communicating your concerns in the space of an answer than you had via comments (or chat).

Princess Luna

8:16 PM

@Shog9 -1, needs to be 6-8

Shog9

If I'd had more time, I would've procrastinated further

Catija

I vote Shog gets more vacation!

Princess Luna

Seconded. All in favor?

Catija

Though, who knows... without Shog, the whole network might collapse ;)

Shog9

or... experience a renaissance?

user315433

8:27 PM

> I officially earned the "Comment everywhere" privilege on @StackOverflow! Rest assured, I will be commenting.... EVERYWHERE. -- Joseph Kamien at 1:25 PM - 23 Apr 2018

user315433

Maybe the privilege should be renamed to "Comment rarely, only when needed"

Shog9

"Comment judiciously"

user315433

Too fancy for ESL users

Shog9

that rules out my next two suggestions, "kibitz" and "stick your nose in where it doesn't belong" privileges.

Catija

@Shog9 I don't suppose there's a way to see most flagged users in regards to comments?

rene

8:35 PM

I can name a few if you want ...

Shog9

@Catija not... readily

unless you never handle comment flags

Catija

That's what I figured. That might be a good first step, really. It's difficult to track users who have a lot of deleted/flagged comments if there's no where to actually see a list of them.

user315433

There is no CommentsWithDeleted table either... and if there was, it probably would not have UserId

Catija

There is... just... CM only.

Shog9

there are barely any tools for comment moderation, much less analysis of such moderation

comments are the bastard stepchild of SE in just about every way

Catija

8:39 PM

And, maybe that's part of the problem we're dealing with now. :(

Shog9

exception is probably notifications, where they've gotten more love than they probably should've

@Catija it's been a problem for years. No one wanted to do anything about it.

Catija

OK... poorly phrased statement...

Turning your back on a problem doesn't usually make it go away... and in this case, it seems to have made it get worse.

Shog9

if you poke around meta, you'll find a tidy pile of feature-requests from past and present CMs all suggesting various strategies to make comments less of an issue. Behind the scenes, there's been literally months of concentrated discussion and brainstorming... That all went nowhere, save for the change to comment flags last year.

Sometimes, the only way to get things done is to let it get really bad first.

Catija

... so... is it bad enough yet?

Shog9

only one way to find out...

If nothing changes in the next 6 months, the answer is "no"

Catija

8:44 PM

The devs can only do so much at once, right? To prioritize it, unless they can find an absurdly simple solution, they'll have to put a lot of other things on hold... possibly things that could be a source of income.

Shog9

yup

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Shog9 From what I've learned: "No comment, no issue."

Shog9

tough balancing act. At what point do vile comments become a bigger liability than work on other things is able to offset?

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I'm mostly trigger happy now :-P

Catija

It saddens me to think that someone's in SOHQ comparing twitter outbursts to SO traffic and seeing how much of a dampener they are to decide whether it's worth it to the company to fix the problem.

(I don't know that this is the case... but... it sort of follows)

Adam Lear

8:48 PM

it's not quite that reactionary

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Better and more granular and concise triggers may be?

Catija

@AdamLear No, I'm sure that the large percentage of SO users are completely unaware of what's being discussed on MSO and Twitter.

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With a comment you're always personally in focus in 1st place

Catija

I think the discussion is very important and I would really love to see some change.

Shog9

@Catija it's never that simple.

Adam Lear

8:51 PM

@Catija no, I meant on our part. a single twitter explosion doesn't mean we immediately scramble to do SOMETHING ANYTHING OH GOD SOMEBODY HELP, ya know?

Catija

I know.

Shog9

There are always more areas that could benefit from dev work than there are dev resources (much less associated design resources) to fulfill.

Adam Lear

current status:

:)

Shog9

It's more like... When you're paying for school and paying for housing and making only a little money, and you have to carefully choose what you pay for and when you pay for it.

You might save money in the long-term by paying more up-front for housing, or cooking your own food instead of living on $0.89 hamburgers

but, if you pay more for housing then you can't pay tuition and your long-term employment prospects change

and if you take the time to cook then you don't have time to work and study

you can't not eat; you probably can't live in your car for very long either if the winter is cold

so you end up trying to pick one or two long-term priorities and make a bunch of sub-optimal decisions for everything else in order to preserve them

user315433

The answer is ramen. Cheap and doesn't take much time.

Catija

8:56 PM

@AdamLear I think that one reason it feels like that is the response on Twitter to Jeff's argument with April... I can completely respect how hard it must be to be in that situation and not have a solution... but there's not always a good solution that won't pull you away from something more critical.

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But hard to learn to make them right (there's even a movie about that)
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ramen_Girl

Adam Lear

@Catija Response in general or from SO employees?

user315433

"right" doesn't enter the equation. i.gyazo.com/037e93f8a07f15ef84a6930e1e571312.png

Catija

@AdamLear Employees.

Shog9

I got really good at optimizing my calorie intake when I was in school. Too much and I couldn't afford gas to drive to work; too little and I couldn't think straight.

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8:58 PM

@bro Cough!!

Shog9

mmm, shin ramyun black!

but, that stuff is almost the price of a hamburger

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