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Journeyman Geek

00:00

In fact especially when someone is not deserving of politeness, one should be polite.

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@JourneymanGeek You can be "polite" and totally destruct someone with that kind of politeness :-P

Journeyman Geek

Yup. And that's a good thing

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@JourneymanGeek I prefer to be straight and honest.

Journeyman Geek

Ugh. Were this a normal working day I'd be late :(

@πάνταῥεῖ why not all 3?

πάντα ῥεῖ

Doesn't mean "straight" == "impolite", just honest

Mithrandir24601

00:04

@πάνταῥεῖ Generally, when someone says you can do x, y and z at the same time and you reply with "I prefer to do x and y", it's accepted that you're strongly implying that you don't want to do z...

Journeyman Geek

So. I can go 'welcome to Foo. You might want to add a little more information to help us help you...' or go 'this question is horrible'

Mithrandir24601

@JourneymanGeek Ahhhh, good ol' Foo :) It's time like this that I miss CS

Catija

Leven Thumps and the Gateway to Foo

Leven Thumps and the Gateway to Foo is a fantasy novel by Obert Skye that traces the journeys of Leven, a seemingly ordinary boy from Burnt Culvert, Oklahoma, and Winter Frore, a neglected girl, as they seek to find their way to the magical dream land of Foo. == Characters == === Leven Thumps === Leven is fourteen years old and is the grandson of Hector Thumps, the builder of the gateway to Foo. Leven originally knows nothing of Foo or of his heritage. He discovers this information as the story goes on. Leven is an offing, who can manipulate the future, and is being hunted by Sabine (an...

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Well, for my normal behavior at work, I'd prefer to take someone asking a blatantly dumb question apart for a 4 eyes talk, instead of blaming them in the public. Maybe that makes the difference.

Mithrandir24601

00:19

@Catija another book to read. Excellent!

SmokeDetector

00:40

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: В чём разница между прокси и VPN? by Obzor Igr on ru.stackoverflow.com

Anonymous

I <3 @StackOverflow & know how many people its helped. But It's time to stop debating whether some people *really* feel unwelcome here. Feelings have no "technically correct." They're what the feeler tells you. I reject the choice between empathy and quality. You deserve both.

Tweeted by JayHanlon on April 13, 2018 at 12:42 AM

Anonymous

> But It's time to stop debating whether some people really feel unwelcome here.

Anonymous

I think we recognize that people certainly feel that way.

Anonymous

> I reject the choice between empathy and quality. You deserve both.

Anonymous

Good ideal. But you never get 100% of everything you want, and it's hard work to even come close, so there does have to be some relative value assigned, in a pedantic philosophical sense.

Anonymous

00:45

I do get really annoyed by how jerky people can be. Observe, my stupid protest avatar and name.

Anonymous

If significant progress can be made on that, it would be great. But it's very hard.

Anonymous

This year, we added an "Empathy & Inclusion" category to our compensation system for everyone in engineering at @stackoverflow. It feels like something that should have always been there, because it is so obviously basic to every job here. 1/n

Tweeted by df07 on April 12, 2018 at 9:42 PM

Anonymous

oh that's a very smart move. genuinely love it. very coherent addition to the scheme.

user315433

There's not much empathy in automatic question bans.

Sterling Archer

@AdamLear I'm very happy to hear a better search is being worked on 😀 an improvement on that could make such a good difference! +1

Journeyman Geek

00:59

@πάνταῥεῖ yup. Why not do that here too?

@SFTP actually true

user202362

need LoveBots, those who randomly show kindness and encouragement to the first time/new users

Adam Lear

@SterlingArcher I should've phrased that better. :) Prototype for guided searching before asking. Although actual work on search itself is also planned down the road IIRC.

Sterling Archer

Oh

I'm less happy. Still happy. Just less.

s/very/pretty/

Adam Lear

Hah, fair :)

Anonymous

Good stuff. Surfacing duplicates more easily could have a huge impact.

Sterling Archer

01:05

Please tell me somebody is watching the Caps Blue Jays game and saw that incredible save?

user315433

If a goalie makes a save but nobody sees it, did it really happen?

Sterling Archer

I seen't it

HTTPS

01:24

Morning...

feeling dizzy, got intoxicated

user315433

The Wallflowers - Letters From The Wasteland

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user315433

> I wake up sick as you abandon me into these fields of rank and file.

user202362

01:50

you know your life is weird when you receive more pranks on valentines day than april fools

user202362

and stop moving menus around, each tutorial only works for a year and a bit because next downgrade, everything gets moved around again

John Dvorak

I know they said this change is permanent, but surely when they hear how much we're complaining someone will find a way to change things back.

user315433

Randall is 33... what does he know?

SmokeDetector

02:10

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body: Exchange - send notification to other email when a new message comes by cs9112 on serverfault.com

HTTPS

I thought big communities have tendency to be toxic, but I was surprised when I couldn't find any search results for Quora (or my Google-fu really sucked here)

Apparently I found one, and the writer was comparing Quora to SO, then concluded that Quora was worse than SO...

user315433

@Catija One can also be upset by a SO question; but it seems that telling the asker they are "completely fucking clueless" would be frowned upon? Looks like "my cause is so noble that civility norms doesn't apply" kind thing.

Journeyman Geek

@HTTPS I think some folks want SE as a whole to be more quora like.

@SFTP never attack a user. Take apart the post.

HTTPS

Anyway, TGIF! And Happy Hour will come soon! Time to forget all these negativities and enjoy the weekends :)

@JourneymanGeek I can see that, but is it possible when SE has a goal to create a high quality repo of Q&A instead of helping everyone's issue?

The article compared SO and Quora's quality control with this Quora question: Does Sheryl Sandberg ever procrastinate?

HTTPS

02:41

I'm blunt. One of my idea is to let them know -- in their face -- that their off-topic questions won't be welcomed on SE before posting them, but how? Doing a machine learning analyzing all closed and bad questions and have it analyzing the draft in real-time then mentioning the possible problems with it?

user315433

Me: Should I argue with randos on the internet, or do productive work? Brain: do your work Brain: arguing won't make you happy Brain: option number two Me: I definitely need to respond to this right now Brain: oh my god

Tweeted by codinghorror on April 9, 2018 at 8:06 PM

Journeyman Geek

03:02

@HTTPS just remember rule 0

user315433

03:14

Aretha Franklin- Ac-cent-tchu-ate The Positive

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user315433

@JourneymanGeek Ah, but taking apart the post has disproportionally negative effect on minorities, and makes them feel unwelcome, and .... and... [insert heart-wrenching tales of woe here]

user202362

I am thinking of writing a novel, it starts like this:

user202362

An once beautiful land is shrouded by darkness, seven enchanters/enchantresses who possess magic power set to defeat the dark overlord. Those seven, each has a different power. One can control minds of the mass, one can create magic objects, one is able instantly heal an injured person (rumoured to be able to bring the dead to life).

user202362

There are also others with less magic abilities: one can summon food and create a feast, one is able to duplicate any physical structure. Be able to transport everyone from one point to another is the ability of another. The last possess all the knowledge in the world.

user202362

So the seven set off on a journey to seek 8 magic objects that enable them to find a map in which the weapon to defeat darkness can be found (because old prophecy said so).
Mean while, the dark overlord called trump continue to expand his rein and ruining of this land.

user202362

03:25

the seven enchanters/enchantresses represents 7 industries

Catija

"Once" takes "a"... not "an"... it starts with a consonant sound (w).

user202362

Oo

HTTPS

03:41

@TelKitty I thought this is about SE (posting Q&A, posting dupe Q, migration, Skeet) :D

Journeyman Geek

04:07

@SFTP or can be a opportunity to teach

HTTPS

I'm doing that on Anime.SE, but out of 100 First Review Posts, I can count with 1 hand how many were cooperative, most of them didn't care and nowhere to be seen again, and the rest got angry and left.

I'm still doing it now, and sometimes adding some emoticon now, but still no cooperation from OP.

I'm even confused whether to introduce the site's tour in the beginning or at the end of the comment.

user315433

My FP reviews are either votes (up or down) or edits, almost never comments.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: Top Scrap Car Prices Toronto| Junk Cars Toronto | Fast Cash for Cars Toronto by Zara Hayat on mathoverflow.net

HTTPS

@SFTP not even close vote?

user315433

04:26

Yes, that too. Often. Unwelcoming though it may be.

user202362

04:54

Shadow Wizard

05:09

@rene poor person didn't even get answear

@TelKitty what is the dome in the top left corner?

user202362

one of the pair of reflective saucers

Shadow Wizard

IPS wall of text on MSE (aka plz close)

@TelKitty reflective saucers? Is this something alien? ;)

Journeyman Geek

05:26

@ShadowWizard Ya. I was going to link zat here

Shadow Wizard

05:50

:)

user310756

06:08

@πάνταῥεῖ they can, send a custom mod message and go into detail - you can also use the contact us links. Explain you've been struggling and what you've planned to do to change that

Magisch

morning @YvetteColomb

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch pretty sure it's noon/afternoon for her, maybe even evening! ;)

Magisch

morning shadow

user310756

@Magisch hi :D

user310756

@ShadowWizard yep and I gotta go on foal wathc. speak later from a paddock

Shadow Wizard

06:14

status-unidentified-words-wathc-paddock

oh, watch

> small enclosure for horses,

hehe, enjoy, @Yve! :D

Magisch

Need some of these foal pictures when the foal comes out :D

foal aka horse puppies

Shadow Wizard

watching foul foal fall

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: adding rewrite rules in .htaccess by Kevin Lee on wordpress.SE

Shadow Wizard

sd k

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Are there in-depth music theory books that can serve as a compendium? by jeanrhall on music.SE

SmokeDetector

06:38

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with a link in answer: Can you programmatically add comments to an append-only comment field in a custom item list using C#? by obi duatilu on sharepoint.SE

Shadow Wizard

@JNat hey what's up? cross site troll/spammer, heavily trolled/spammed MSE for sure, probably other sites as well.

Derpy

07:41

in Not a bar, but plays one on TV on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 10 hours ago, by BESW

how did "the quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog" become the typical sentence that contains all letters of the alphabet and not "sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow" which is objectively a million times cooler

Tweeted by JackOfQuills on April 12, 2018 at 4:41 AM

@TelKitty is one of them called Neptunia -_-'?

HTTPS

Make senseless

Derpy

BTW, I have solved the problem about the azure VM pricing. They told me that the free 150$/130€ monthly credit that is given out as a free benefit with MSDN subscription programs has also one more -somehow hidden- benefit

You pay the "Linux" vm cost (that is, the cost that does not include the OS cost) for every machine you create

Basically, even if you create a SharePoint machine (that should include the OS and the SharePoint license additional costs)... you only pay the cost of a Linux machine of the same size.

.... Microsoft is weird. I don't know why they don't give this clause more visibility. In most situations, this means you get a 50% discount on top of the free credit. That should be advertised more.

Derpy

08:12

I know this has already been closed, but I think it deserves deletion too...

Makyen

@Derpy It will be automatically deleted by the Roomba in 10 days. Why waste time/effort on it to delete it now?

HTTPS

Because delv-pls is acceptable here?

Derpy

@Makyen feng-shui

Magisch

@Derpy So my theory about the hidden discount was correct

Makyen

@HTTPS Just because it's acceptable, doesn't mean there's any reason to do it. It's at score < -3, so it doesn't appear on the front page, so people won't see it (much). It's closed, so nobody can answer it. Just ignore it. It's not worth additional time or effort.

SmokeDetector

08:30

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly non-Latin title: الرجاء حل هذا السؤال بأكواد جافا ضروري جدا ولكم جزيل الشكر by Ahmed Shahwan on codereview.SE

Journeyman Geek

@Derpy was one delvote away. Done

HTTPS

@Makyen Well, just saying that it's not that rare even for 20k+ asking for delvote on off-topic MSE post.

Well, never mind, I don't feel like this needs a further discussion...

Derpy

If it was just a standard off-topic programming question, autodeletion would suffice. But personally, I'm not very found of leaving what appears like a troll/fake post there for a week.

> Plzhelpmemypatnerisevilandheistryingtofindthenecronomicontosummonthecurseddemons‌fromthedarknessbeyondtimeinourworldhehasalreadyimprisonedfourothergirlstobeoffere‌dasasacrificeandithinkiamnext.

not even worth the dramma. My eyes refuse to read a zero white spaces wall of text that long.

SmokeDetector

08:58

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: How offensive is 他妈的? by Junting Zhu on chinese.SE

Magisch

> Plz help me my patner is evil and he is trying to find the necronomicon to summon the cursed demons‌ from the darkness beyond time in our world he has already imprisoned four other girls to be offere‌d as a sacrifice and i think i am next.

also why

Derpy

@Magisch made that up, but it is not like the original was any better. At least up to line 5, I didn't manage to go further.

Unrelated. Have been trying the unity-webapp under Linux/Ubuntu. Totally not what I expected.

I hoped they used the site apis to build a custom UI (without all the noise, flashy backgrounds, ads and the such...) ^_^

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: What are the Advantages of my QuickBooks Point of Sale (POS)? by Olivia Williams on interpersonal.SE

Derpy

09:23

that said, I wonder if the unity-webapp does implement any form of added security.

To me, it seems like it would be LESS secure.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: how to fix quickbooks error 1904: failed to register while installing by kealen smith on interpersonal.SE

SmokeDetector

09:54

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly non-Latin answer: Enclosure, things to pay attention to? by user10500 on 3dprinting.SE

Sonic Wizard

10:19

@Derpy Because it doesn't contain all letters of the alphabet?

one-more-delete-recommendation-needed 2k+ meta.stackexchange.com/review/low-quality-posts/57350

Derpy

10:50

status-you_are_late_for_the_joke

Princess Luna

status-you-broke-the-status

Sonic Wizard

status-it-must-be-the-only-content-of-the-message

Derpy

@SonicWizard :P Still referencing that lazy fox post? ^_^'

Nog Shine

Is there a change in top bar again?

HTTPS

status-ninjad-edit

Sonic Wizard

10:52

@NogShine What change?

HTTPS

@NogShine the inbox notification?

Nog Shine

@SonicWizard Hamburger menu. The help, chat and log out moved down.

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Q: Options in hamburger moved down

I noticed that the options present in hamburger icon i.e., help, chat and log out are misaligned. This is how it looks. They moved to next line. It is the same in Hinduism, Vegetarianism and some more sites along with metas. But this remains as earlier like that is on Meta Stack Exchange. ...

HTTPS

@NogShine repro'd

the icons on the inbox notification also got trimmed

Sonic Wizard

@NogShine Probably a bad CSS fix?

Nog Shine

@SonicWizard May be. balpha replied. It's a bug.

balpha

10:58

yeah, I had to update the top bar dialog layout to support non-fixed widths (in preparation for responsiveness), forgot to add a CSS class to some elements

@HTTPS can you clarify that?

Sonic Wizard

@Shadow chaos-emerald-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309021/…

@balpha Can you please add status-planned?

balpha

hmm, status-planned to me means "we hope to get to that eventually"

HTTPS

balpha

huh

HTTPS

dunno why the latest inbox (from your ping) is correct

probably the cache problem again

the bounding box seems correct, the image looks like cut in the middle

Sonic Wizard

11:33

1 hour ago, by Sonic Wizard

one-more-delete-recommendation-needed 2k+ https://meta.stackexchange.com/review/low-quality-posts/57350

@HTTPS ^^

user315433

TIL Microsoft is using @StackOverflow Enterprise. Can anyone elaborate how and when it's used?

Tweeted by jawndotnet on April 13, 2018 at 9:18 AM

user315433

An informative thread there.

HTTPS

Seems a good question on Quora

Huh? Megaman X Legacy Collection?

Magisch

11:57

umm?

Getting this on all SE sites

Nog Shine

Yes

Magisch

That intentional?

Nog Shine

That's a bug. Reported.

2nd question on home page

1 hour ago, by Nog Shine

0

Q: Options in hamburger moved down

I noticed that the options present in hamburger icon i.e., help, chat and log out are misaligned. This is how it looks. They moved to next line. It is the same in Hinduism, Vegetarianism and some more sites along with metas. But this remains as earlier like that is on Meta Stack Exchange. ...

bug design top-bar

Magisch

kill-with-fire meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309024/…

Derpy

@Magisch has two (bad) questions from 2013. Comes back to the site 5 years late, only to post programming question on meta.

Magisch

12:03

@Derpy status-genius

Nzall

12:22

Earlier this week I came across the parable of the Purple Beggar (thecodelesscode.com/case/170) and I thought "maybe this is worth discussing on meta", more specifically as whether the "be nice" related rules could still permit a certain amount of frustration to be displayed in question titles while still keeping them relevant

the frustration would mildly encourage more people to read it and maybe post their input

especially from the HNQ part

HTTPS

Apparently SO had opened a machine learning competition 5 years ago to predict if the question will be closed or not. Is it used internally?

Nzall

@HTTPS I mean, isn't that close to what smoke detector is?

HTTPS

12:39

@Nzall yeah, I believe there are some chatbots for monitoring post quality on SObotics too.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Cost effectiveness of fireplace with insert vs electric furnace by Ray K. Hairston on diy.SE

HTTPS

My idea is more to: a new user directly goes to "Ask Question" without reading anything. Before they post their first (bad) questions, the system will predict if it'll be closed or not. If it has lower probability to be closed, then the system directly allow it. If it's not sure, the system will show a pop-up to give a notice/warning that the question might be closed, but give a confirmation checkbox to post it. If it's 100% off-topic, prevent it being posted and show related help center/tour

Derpy

@Nzall This is pure gold. Know, my good sir, that thanks to you another little empty hole has just been filled on the wall at my office.

Nzall

@Derpy And what's your opinion on the entire discussion topic of small amounts of frustration in titles?

I'm not talking about titles that viciously attack someone or something. not something as intense as in the topic

Journeyman Geek

12:56

@Nzall but if there's a question there we can edit it.

and I think questions should be as factual as possible

Nzall

@JourneymanGeek You can be factual, on-topic and complete in a question while still showing a small amount of frustration in things like google not giving any response and the documentation being useless

Journeyman Geek

"the documentation is useless" vs "I checked through the docmentation at "site" but was unable to find the specific thing I was looking for"

heh

apparently I didn't even complain when that happened to me

Nzall

@JourneymanGeek "The documentation does not explain this topic at all"

Journeyman Geek

just forged on with the question.

ah

I don't see too much wrong with that

however the ^^%&^%%^&^% documentation dosen't ^^*%#^&%#&%. A pox upon the dev and his family....

that would be out of line

HTTPS

If others check the documentation and can confirm it, then yeah, I don't see anything wrong.

Nzall

13:00

The idea is to stay factual while hoping that someone who did find a solution is pushed to correct you

Journeyman Geek

but but

27

A: upstart scripts: run a task after networking goes up

Apparently respawn console none start on (local-filesystems and net-device-up IFACE!=lo) stop on [!12345] script chdir /usr/local/gw6c/bin/ exec /usr/local/gw6c/bin/gw6c end script seems to work

lulzily

This was exactly what I was looking for. It's still not in the upstart documentation anywhere that I could find. — Nathan Aug 14 '12 at 20:45

every. single. part. of.that.post. is obsolete.

gogo6 closed, upstart got killed off for systemd....

Derpy

@Nzall My opinion? That we are far too eager in moderating "noise" like frustration in titles, signatures or "thank you" at the end of a question... but we let other more abusive behavior like snarky comments or "I am better than you" post live.

That said, I am not sure that, given our community, "the frustration would mildly encourage more people to read it and maybe post their input".

On the opposite.

It would only give one more excuse to bash the user with passive-aggressive remarks.

Nzall

@Derpy As i clarified, I think it would be less "express frustration" and more "post mild hyperbole about things you're not certain about to encourage people who know better to correct you"

What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!

Weaponize the feeling of satisfaction people get when they can prove someone else wrong

Derpy

@Nzall somehow relevant:

Your question is composed by two parts: one is a rant about downvotes, and the second one is a real issue. If you remove the rant (remember: have a tear of rant in a post, and all others will comment on is the rant) then you may get a good question. But then I fear that you may have still a problem: either you are aiming at resolving what seem an impossible problem by asking for a feature that can't be done (how you would recognize a vote as "revenge vote"?) or you will ask for a feature where people would need to "justify their downvotes, probably with an anonymous comment... — SPArchaeologist Oct 18 '16 at 18:21

basically, if one tried what is suggested in that short story on stack, I would expect:
- multiple downvotes, some from people that know the answer, most from people that jumped on the bandwagon.
- snarky comments like "sorry to burst your dream, that simply isn't true. Do research a little more before posting false info"
- no actual answer posted

@Nzall To my experience, people who behave that way often do not think they have to prove anything. Knowing (or thinking to know) that something is wrong is enough. They will point out that the claim is wrong, but more often than not they will avoid posting the actual solution

Nzall

13:20

I mean, the snarky comment would be equally inappropriate

Derpy

See also: Unexplained Downvotes, a 9999 act story of rants, tears and windmill fighting. Available on your closest Meta site.

HTTPS

At least MSO has done their best with canonical meta post about comment-on-downvote feature request

Journeyman Geek

@Derpy moderating noise is typically done with good intentions.

votes eh.

I'm the wrong person to talk. I have a dog ava.

More seriously, I have enough rep and experience on the network that I'm slightly unlikely to ask a question people would take terribly

Derpy

should that surprise anyone? If you candidate to become a mod, then you are doing extra work. At that point, there are only two options:
a) you are actually willing to work to serve the site - this *usually* mean you will try to be nice
b) you are Luxus Dreyar and you think that the site is growing weak, filled with users that do not deserve to be here. You want to purge them, take the guild from the staff and become the new ruler.

Journeyman Geek

@Derpy or people vote you in cause you're nice.

@Derpy b might have happened a few times

Derpy

13:27

@JourneymanGeek "few"

Journeyman Geek

yup

Derpy

I suppose that "Class S" user is still there, right?

you know, the one that was going to "make SO great again"...

"few"

But I totally understand. Who would risk driving a very high rep user away by subjecting him to "too strong moderation"?

Just hope Jon Skeet doesn't turn mad anytime soon, or I fear we will have to live with it.

HTTPS

@Derpy like this Travel.SE meta post?

Derpy

@HTTPS or people saying that SO staff is "dirty mean people" and not receiving even a single week suspension.

Journeyman Geek

@Derpy there's something not quite right if someone says that and nothing happens

that feels contrary to 'be nice'

HTTPS

13:40

@Derpy I guess you're referring to the recent MSO drama?

Nog Shine

@HTTPS mod hate is everywhere just the reason is different. Sometimes citizen ship of the mod is a reason. Worst reason I have ever heard.

Derpy

Journeyman Geek

@Derpy ugh evan

Derpy

@HTTPS Nope, I am referring to the fact that either Shog is far more compassionate than I am, or they are tolerating him just because of his contributions and rep score.

I hope it is option a) but the voice inside my head is yelling "It is option b)"

And that's why I said...

14 mins ago, by Derpy

Just hope Jon Skeet doesn't turn mad anytime soon, or I fear we will have to live with it.

also, unrelated.

> There is a theory that an finite number of Laughing Monkeys pounding away randomly at an finite number of keyboards will eventually get a clean compile. The existence of the Standard PHP Library would seem to imply that this has already happened.

thanks, @Nzall. That site is just brilliant.

Feeds

14:12

I take it Narnia doesn't have Cinnabons? Because if you can magic up a plate of those, I'll betray whoever.

HTTPS

@Feeds buying Turkish Delight for upcoming Happy Hour

Journeyman Geek

hm. Gets cinnabons

Derpy

@Feeds He got Turkish Delight. I got a Snail pie, and I was promised a Butterscotch Cinnamon one.

John Dvorak

14:35

Snail pie? All I got to eat is a bicycle.

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek yeah think it is time time for permanent suspension of that hate troll.

Lol mobile chat kept draft of some old message I never posted

Journeyman Geek

final-cv-plz meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309042/…

Derpy

@JourneymanGeek granted

Journeyman Geek

excellent. I'll throw it the first delvote too... @ShadowWizard @rene et al can do the honours.

rene

15:11

@JourneymanGeek all (g|d)one

@ShadowWizard what was it? And if it is pretty offensive, please post.

πάντα ῥεῖ

For those here who are a bit familiar with german:

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Q: "von Neumann'sche natürliche Zahlen" oder "von neumannsche natürliche Zahlen"?

Der Duden lässt "grimmsche Märchen" und "Grimm'sche Märchen" beide zu. Was passiert, wenn der Name mehrteilig ist? Konkret: Ist "von Neumann'sche natürliche Zahlen" korrekt? Ist "von neumannsche natürliche Zahlen" korrekt? Damit niemand einfach so drauflos dummschwätzt: Bitte Erklärung beifüg...

genitive capitalization mathematics apostrophe

We should extend smokey maybe :-/

balpha

@HTTPS fix for that is in the next build

HTTPS

@balpha yay! \o/

so, what's the cause of the issue actually?

πάντα ῥεῖ

@HTTPS Are you asking about mine?

HTTPS

15:26

@πάνταῥεῖ the broken icon that balpha just fixed actually :/

πάντα ῥεῖ

Anyways I'll cite as a translation what the OP insisted to be left in their question as addendum:

> So that nobody simply dumbly chatters: Please enclose a statement. Answers without explanation are reported, as well as irrelevant comments.

balpha

@HTTPS flexbox algorithm making slightly different decisions in FF and Chrome, which is why I didn't notice I had to disable flexing for the icon

πάντα ῥεῖ

That's at least very impolite, if not even braze faced.

Sterling Archer

@balpha o/

HTTPS

just say that those are meta comments and aren't acceptable on post

but given the downvote, it seems come from rude flag... so, yeah..

SmokeDetector

15:32

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer: Disable history for only one task in the Task Scheduler Library? by Karian Smith on serverfault.com

HTTPS

I wonder why the OP put that meta-commentary out of nowhere when their previous questions were fine...

πάντα ῥεῖ

@HTTPS Maybe under pressure with their German B2 exam or such :-P ...

Sonic Wizard

16:24

Possible troll: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309047/…

!!/report meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309047/… "possible troll"

NobodyNada

@SonicWizard I'm not convinced we want to red-flag that (unless there's some context I'm unaware of)

Also, the user has some rep elsewhere in the network

HTTPS

The OP has positive contribution on SO. It's a reasonable question to ask since not all Wikipedia articles (or anything, as Jeremy has mentioned) are credible.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Sonic Not a troll, just a hopelessly lost person.

Anonymous

A Conversation with Jon Skeet: The Chuck Norris of Programming, on the Yellow Duck Podcast

Anonymous

no relation to this yellow duck

user unknown

16:41

@πάνταῥεῖ Du bist suspendiert? Wieso das denn?

πάντα ῥεῖ

@userunknown Ich war wiederholt "nicht nett" :-)

A long story ...

user unknown

:) Oh. Gibt es eigentlich eine lateinische Schreibweise für Deinen Namen? Ich lese immer "Maria Pei"

πάντα ῥεῖ

@userunknown It's greek, take a look at my profile. It's well explained there.

user unknown

oder Paula?

πάντα ῥεῖ

@user Stick to english here please (even if we sometimes respond in hebrew or other languages)

@userunknown At least I've been using inappropriate words in chat for my last suspension (same with my sock I've installed after). Silly and drunk actions :-D ...

I am mostly participating in moderation at German Language, Code Review, Software Engineering and Meta for now.

@user Vasily earned their 1st suspension anyways. You see?

@user Call me a "Soup Nazi", but I am not

@userunknown The correct latin transcript is: Panta Rhei

user unknown

17:02

@πάνταῥεῖ Thanks for answering. Need to try, if 6858706 would work for replying autocomplete.

@πάνταῥεῖ: ah - at at-sign, candites automatically pop up. There is no PI on my keyboard, I fear.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@userunknown It's intentionally made hard to ping me ;-)

user unknown

@πάνταῥεῖ - well not that hard. But other users, I heard, use overly long names with blanks which look like error messages. ;)

πάντα ῥεῖ

@userunknown Or even hidalgo unicode :-D

user unknown

@πάνταῥεῖ Don't know, what hidalgo is.

@πάνταῥεῖ (Test: do manual numbers work?

Yes.

HTTPS

@HTTPS Manual number also works for replying to themself

πάντα ῥεῖ

17:14

@userunknown I'm still looking for a good picture to demonstrate it ...

user unknown

I can't anwer to myself (even if I have the most interesting questions), so how do I know my own number?

@πάνταῥεῖ: Not neccessary - my PC has wikipedia, if I'm seriously interested. :)

πάντα ῥεῖ

@userunknown It's displayed at your profile link: meta.stackexchange.com/users**156431**/user-unknown

HTTPS

@πάνταῥεῖ hidalgo, perhaps you mean zalgo?

user unknown

Oh, that's 11*14221, and 11 is the närrische Zahl (funny/crazy number for carnival issues).

πάντα ῥεῖ

@HTTPS Ah that's why my search failed so badly :-P THX

All kinda mexican confusion appeared ...

First hit at SO of course:

569

Q: How does Zalgo text work?

I've seen weirdly formatted text called Zalgo like below written on various forums. It's kind of annoying to look at, but it really bothers me because it undermines my notion of what a character is supposed to be. My understanding is that a character is supposed to move horizontally across a line...

html unicode zalgo

rene

17:25

Um, my inbox notifications are stuck

and theme.css give a 404

πάντα ῥεῖ

@rene Inbox Overflow?

rene

yeah

@πάνταῥεῖ if you load Meta SE, do you see a 404 for theme.css?

Oh: https://meta.stackexchange.com/teams/theme.css?v=10056:1520526728:10063:1520539‌764

πάντα ῥεῖ

@rene Nope. Everything works just fine here

Adam Lear

I get that 404 if I open the inbox

weird

rene

I think this is a teams related bug

HTTPS

17:30

<- not part of Teams, no bug...

rene

@AdamLear yeah, it doesn't handle inboxRead, by the looks of it correctly due to that

so on the next page load I get the inbox indicator back

this is across all sites btw

I repro on MSO and SO proper

HTTPS

Well, just a few hours ago, there was CSS refactoring, so... possibly regression

Anonymous

@waffles Well, it is six years later and none of the potential downsides/fears by having a fallback in place you wrote about have (permanently) materialized. I simply can't understand the logic to sit around and do nothing while the site is horribly broken from China. — bmjjr Feb 24 at 5:23

Anonymous

A little bit misdirected.

Anonymous

It looks like Discourse does host jQuery on its own CDN.

rene

17:37

@AdamLear bug report for tracking: meta.stackexchange.com/q/309049/158100

Adam Lear

thanks

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Yvette THX for your last response (I've seen it, but too bothering searching up the transcript to mention). I'll consider to take your advice, let's just see how boring the next 2 month will come up for me. ATM it's a quite interesting experience to nicely participate in moderation of other sites than SO.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer: What's up with Nami's breast size? by Angela Rini Shockley on anime.SE

HTTPS

@SmokeDetector f

πάντα ῥεῖ

@rene Would you mind to add me as a privileged user for Smokey please?

One quite annoying thing with my suspension from SO is that I can't chat at any other sites which aren't derived from Meta SE, but these are all using Stack Overflow as their parent site. I'm considering to ask for a FR to change that, since w.o. chat it's hard to improve your actions at particular SE sites. What do you think? Is there a dupe FR already?

Sterling Archer

18:01

Chrome thinks SO is in Vietnamese lol

HTTPS

@πάνταῥεῖ I think this is one of the requests

πάντα ῥεῖ

@HTTPS THX!

@HTTPS I believe I owe you a beer or 2. You were helpful to me at least twice today ;-)

HTTPS

happy to be a secure beer protocol ;p

πάντα ῥεῖ

^LOL!

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: Is there any cloud service has end to end encryption plus binary diff sync? by Jayden Apretto on softwarerecs.SE

πάντα ῥεῖ

18:11

@HTTPS I probably bothered you too much about that unsecure protocol joke, sorry please! I think I even owe you a 3rd beer ;-)

HTTPS

nah.. no need to be sorry, I know it's just a joke ;p I'm already used to some people pestering me, and I'm okay with it as long as it's not a personal attack.

and growing (too) thicker skin since joining SE...

rene

18:32

@πάνταῥεῖ consider it done, pending a deploy.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@rene THX

user310756

@πάνταῥεῖ things will work out - email me if you need to

πάντα ῥεῖ

@YvetteColomb I've planned that anyways ;-)

SmokeDetector

18:53

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in body: Payment Partnership opportunity to discuss by Kym Larsen on civicrm.SE

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