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12:07 AM
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A: How do I make a profit buying cloud-hashing contracts?

JannesThe profit is the lesson: you got scammed.

 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (batch report: post 1 out of 3): How do I make a profit buying cloud-hashing contracts? by vinzz89 on bitcoin.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (batch report: post 2 out of 3): Worth investing in to a cloud mining companies? by vinzz89 on bitcoin.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (batch report: post 3 out of 3): How can I calculate the profitability of this dash cloud mining contract? by vinzz89 on bitcoin.SE
 
user202362
I don't get it when someone is like 'get on social media so I can contact you' thing, I can be contacted some 10+ ways and my friends contact me all the times despite the fact I am not active on social media. How to show a lack in sincerity ...
 
user315433
12:30 AM
 
1:06 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Would the name Maida be considered a “Japanese name” by Kazu on japanese.SE
 
user202362
@SFTP add beak, could be a parrot:
 
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user315433
1:43 AM
> GDPR meeting: "No Nick, we can't just ban all the European IPs" pic.twitter.com/pnI4lAZxjX -- Nick Craver at 6:00 PM - 11 Apr 2018
 
1:54 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with a link in answer, username similar to website in answer: How do I update product shipping using PHP in WooCommerce? by simplehuman on wordpress.SE
 
user202362
 
user202362
reduce cost, train chicken to deliver letters
 
user202362
then a question stuck me: why use owl when you can use pigeon? does the letter have to be delivered at night?
 
higher payload?
Pigeons don't do night shifts?
 
user315433
It's whatever was the nearest bird with Uber app.
 
2:14 AM
@TelKitty uhh... get on Tinder so I can contact you?
 
user202362
number of spammers contacted through my company website in the past 30 days: 67, business, personal or important email: none
 
user202362
now I have to finish the last form so I can post all three letters together then go clothes/grocery shopping
 
user202362
also ... where is the swag?? how to score last in every race
 
user315433
> the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet swag to telkitty; but time and chance happeneth to them all
 
2:47 AM
:6852520 fake "Technical Team" comment detected
 
user315433
> Here's a travel tip: if you have a middle seat on a flight longer than 3 hours, get a bunch of tiny bottles of vodka from the flight attendant and use them to set yourself on fire. @BartOrr1 -- David Haney at 7:24 PM - 11 Apr 2018
 
user315433
Flying to West Coast (Portland) this Friday...
 
user315433
 
user315433
Wonder if I'll be reviewed on arrival.
 
user315433
If the analogy holds, probably not until my return flight.
 
user315433
3:24 AM
Sigh.... I know I posted Should this site get additional moderators appointed? on April 1, but it wasn't a joke. Those NAA flags cast in February that I mentioned... still pending. Looks like none of 3D moderators read the post.
 
user315433
 
user315433
3D Printing is a headache
 
3:38 AM
Reading recent discussion on Meta Hinduism feels like they are in a civil war...
 
@HTTPS Hahaha
A warrior is talking then
 
@SonicWizard, did you flag a couple placeholder questions for closure?
If so, then the SA community needs to come to some kind of consensus. We've only ever done that to the worst of the worst.
 
@HTTPS I too don't like the atmosphere but can't help to solve the issues to normal. Some disagree with help center and Main meta posts which have network wide consensus.
 
And a certain user is quite aggressive (strong language) on Meta. This is only me personally, but I was a bit surprised they hasn't been suspended to cool down... though I can see suspending them will worsen the situation with mod clashes...
O well, I don't think I can help the situation either... moving on~
 
@HTTPS I don't know which one user you are talking about but a user has many issues, he got suspended to cooldown a few times and perhaps voting irregularities too.
 
user315433
3:48 AM
Some CMs kind of disappeared... when was the last time Grace Note posted anything other than templated election questionnaires / community ads things?
 
user202362
 
user202362
making out or domestic violence?
 
4:08 AM
@AwesomePoodles Just for evaluation, to see if the flags get deemed helpful or declined, so as to know if I should continue to flag such questions in the future or not
 
4:34 AM
@SonicWizard Let me know how it turns out. I'm inclined to give 'em the BotD but the site/group never really developed a clear policy (except on the tutorial spam ones).
 
4:52 AM
@SonicWizard What's wrong with some of placeholder questions?
 
@HTTPS Because there's a close reason for them?
 
oh ok, apparently there's already a precented discussion
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Q: My app has to be published first? But it's still under development

BesiOkay, I want to build an App that allows me to create questions on Stack Exchange. I registered it here on Stack Apps but now when I want to create a question I get this message: { "error_message": "Applications must have a registered Stack Apps post to write", "error_id": 403, "error_name...

hmm, hard choice, I'll leave it for SA regulars then :(
 
5:51 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body: Make Pakistan your first love by Alishba Noor on wordpress.SE
 
user310756
6:14 AM
 
user310756
@sha
 
user310756
wrong room dammit
 
user310756
@TelKitty CPR
 
6:49 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching website in body, +1 more: As should be obvious, the fixings in turmeric forskolin are generally normal, by Exinglity19 Virk on graphicdesign.SE
 
@YvetteColomb curious question: how do your feel about being an SO mod until now compared to on other SE sites? :)
you're free not to answer on here though...
 
@YvetteColomb nice foals
 
7:45 AM
@balpha it looks like websocket messages with action 1-questions-newest-tag-php no longer cause a new questions element to be added to the DOM. See the report here meta.stackoverflow.com/q/365897/578411
 
7:56 AM
> It is downvoted because [...] you still have a facebook account [...]
I should try that approach next time
 
Feel free
 
8:22 AM
 
@SmokeDetector the selfie abuser came again
 
8:54 AM
any delete voters here: meta.stackexchange.com/a/308987/158100 /cc @Bart @ShadowWizard @Glorfindel @JourneymanGeek
 
@rene is that NAA?
 
flagged with abusive cat flag though...
 
@Derpy well, low quality, maybe rude/abussive. So red flags could work
 
<sarcastic>I'm not sure, maybe it is just a wrong answer that should be downvoted</sarcastic>
 
20K problem meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308983/… /cc @Bart @ShadowWizard @Glorfindel @JourneymanGeek (needs one more)
 
9:00 AM
or just a wrong site to post (intended to answer on Puzzle.SE)
 
user310756
@Magisch thanks :) they are new babies I bought - they were trapped from the national parks - wild horses. Feeding the little man up, he's so small
 
user310756
Our baby is still due - I'm acutally sitting in a pitch black paddock typing this to you :)
 
user310756
@HTTPS oh it's so busy and there's so much to learn - as we don't use many of the features on pets, as we haven't had the need to (yet)
 
user310756
I am really enjoying it
 
user310756
I find it harder to handle flags from this laptop than my desktop - don't ask UI and my huge font so I can read it lol
 
9:03 AM
@YvetteColomb great to hear that :)
 
user310756
@HTTPS thanks for asking secure connection
 
user310756
I am not disapponted at all- in fact it's better than I hoped
 
user310756
and it's good to pass the time of day (night) on foal watch :)
 
.... and Window just decided to disable desktop icons font drop-shadow.
 
user202362
Would be interesting to see @Yvette's reaction if Tuppy's baby is not brown :x (s)he would be the only non-brown horse ~_~
 
9:08 AM
@TelKitty that's why horses are so inferior to candy colored ponies. So few shades, so few choices....
Where is my purple horse? Why there is no horn option?
That said....
shouldn't we vote to have @Yvette change her avatar to Malon from Ocarina of Time (and by consequence @TelKitty one to the cuckoo lady from Kakariko village)?
 
> If you are looking for a dog that behaves like a cat, may I recommend just getting a cat. -- pets.stackexchange.com/a/20148/3671
 
user202362
sometimes you walk your dog, sometimes your dog walks you!
 
@HTTPS maybe he likes getting awoken in the middle of the night by a dog that has just decided midnight is the best time for a barking concert?
 
user202362
@Derpy In reality, pony looks like this:
 
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user202362
9:18 AM
the small one
 
@TelKitty nonsense. They look like this:
don't try to trick me.
your picture is just a poor photoshop work
 
user202362
woot? ponies are like midget horses
 
user202362
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer: How did they hack my Wordpress sites by Janet Jonas on serverfault.com
 
@TelKitty that is a dachshorse, a d&d creature. Commonly used by halflings
 
user310756
9:33 AM
@TelKitty we have one chest nut - which is a type of brown I guess
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, link at end of answer: Searching for a specific object in an ArrayList by aneliaa on codereview.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: Number of irreducible polynomials of degree $r$ in $F_2[x]$ by careenjoseph on mathoverflow.net
 
user310756
9:56 AM
I got a mosquito smushed in my track pad
 
One bug down ...
 
user310756
the mozzies are rampant atm
 
poor moth...
 
user310756
@rene oh I get the bug joke now lol
 
10:09 AM
Yeah, my humor is of high quality ...
 
user310756
hahaha
 
user310756
refined flower quality
 
user310756
@HTTPS may moth rest in peace
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with a link in answer, link at end of answer: Why is the JSON content from heredoc not parsable? by Daniel on unix.SE
 
10:40 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Misleading link: Аудиозаписи в VK API by Иван Петров on ru.stackoverflow.com
 
11:31 AM
 
11:52 AM
@rene (left a comment) it works fine here, any additional info that may help debugging?
 
Are some of the CMs on vacation?
I was expecting some more CM involvement in yesterday's IPS drama. Maybe it's a way of trial by fire to have the community work it out themselves
 
I'm intrigued, what drama are you talking about? I have no context
 
There was a very ... contentious question on IPS yesterday that blew up
involving a lot of comments, active discussion on race relations in the US and elsewhere, a few meta posts, some disgruntled users, some people calling others trolls
and a lot of very heated sentiment
we're not quite through yet but it got pretty bad yesterday
You can probably see a lot of the now gone cruft with your dev access balpha
It spawned 1 2 meta questions
 
sigh
anyway, looks like @JonEricson did get involved?
 
@balpha I called all of this happening a couple minutes after the Q was asked
Yeah Jon locked an answer due to an edit war
From past experiences I would have expected a mod or CM to shut the thing down sooner, though
 
12:02 PM
@balpha I'm trying again to repro, hold on
 
The atmosphere over at IPS meta has gotten quite hostile lately tbh. It's really tiring and makes me not want to read meta much anymore
 
so... you're saying the IPS regulars should work on their ... interpersonal skills?
SCNR ;p
 
heh
WHy would anyone want to read meta?
(I mean, I engage in it but clearly I like pain or something)
@Magisch more seriously though, from what I've seen, some aspects of IPS just seem kinda draining.
 
@balpha does it matter that I have PHP in my ignored tags?
 
very likely so
 
12:05 PM
@JourneymanGeek I don't mind that too much. Just the hostility has been growing so much
It seems people just stopped assuming good faith and now it's just a bickerfest with people assuming the worst of each other
I kinda came to SE to escape that pervasive divisive attitude
 
Well, its kinda easier on tech sites
There's a good reason you have more drama on non tech sites
and most of our drama's on chat
 
Yesterday's IPS drama was mostly on meta
and under the question
I also have a feeling we're burning out our mods
 
Well, that's something for the CMs to deal with
its not unheard of for them to intervene on meta or help out if needed
 
12:20 PM
@balpha you're right, on the tags that I have ignored I do get websocket messages but the div.new-post-activity doesn't get added. I don't recall it worked like that before nor why you wouldn't want to add that div for my ignored tags. I mean, don't even subscribe for the websocket action in that case, if performance is the reason to do so.
I'll add a comment on the meta post
 
12:48 PM
@Magisch did the question got into HNQ? I didn't remember see that question...
 
1:07 PM
Something to try: always post answers without addressing "you" and "I".
(now curious, how many answers have I included "you" to refer OP or "I" to refer myself?)
 
@HTTPS apparently quite many. It's hard to avoid them...
 
1:28 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body: Strategic Approach for Application by user32151 on sqa.SE
 
1:48 PM
Looks like this is vandalzing an entry: meta.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/57332
 
Btw, I have received a first reply to my support ticket about the different reported prices for a VM of the same size in the Azure portal and Azure pricing tool
it basically is:
> Good question. We too are wondering why this is happening. Will contact you as soon as we can discover the cause of this weird behavior.
 
LOL
 
@Derpy sounds off script. You probably bypassed t1 and t2 support
 
@rene Some years ago, we noticed a weird bug on our on premise internal SharePoint farm (which is luckily used only as a document storage) : out of the blue, workflows started to run on document library folders.
This is a feature SharePoint never had in the first place. OOTB no workflow can run on a folder - multiple vendors had to develop custom products to be able to do that.
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in answer: Some apps displaying white screens by Adam Jordan on superuser.com
 
1:56 PM
We opened an incident with Microsoft. We even sent them the full backup of the web application. They were able to reproduce the bug using said backup.
They spent months trying to find out why that was happening and how it was possible in the first place. They found nothing.
about four months later, they gave up.
 
awesome story ...
 
> We recognize the bug you have reported and were able to reproduce it with the sample you provided. We weren't able to identify the the source of the problem, nor how to fix it. We suggest you drop and recreate the aforementioned site collection. If the issue persists, consider reinstalling the whole farm. As we weren't able to solve your problem we have refunded you any cost tied to this incident
 
reinstalling the whole farm and who is going to pay for that?
 
unpractical "practical" solution?
 
@rene guess it? Us, of course ^_^'
that said...
yesterday, by Derpy
My head canon is that right now, a manager is asking one of the dev if he also published the changes to the live site when he updated the prices on the pricing calculator six month ago (or if he also committed the DB transaction after updating those data....)
^ still my best guess right now.
I can also foresaw the mentions about the issue in the next marketing reports
> We finally discovered why our price drop strategy for Azure VM didn't give the expected results. The online price charts were never updated with the discounted prices.
 
2:09 PM
> We did base the bonus of the sales department on the older, higher prices. We'll ask them to refund the salary they received due to this mishap
 
@rene still better than:
> We discovered that the higher prices on the price calculator were the right ones. We retroactively applied the correct prices to all billing data for azure customers in the past year.
> You have a week to pay the difference before we confiscate your pc.
 
s/pc/life/
 
2:33 PM
@Magisch I'm somewhat involved behind the scenes. I woke up to a ton of pings on my one meta answer there. So I guess I'll be more involved today.
 
It is a shame I don't want inter-personal skills, I would never be bored ...
 
2:48 PM
you just need inter-pollination skills ...
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer, potentially bad keyword in username, username similar to website in answer: Cannot install Elementary Tweaks in Loki (no release file for the repo) by ysfl on elementaryos.SE
 
@JonEricson With all due respect, the situation has escalated far beyond control now
It feels like people just get away with ignoring explicit moderator instructions. It's extremely disappointing that some of our most active members on IPS are among them
Sorry to wake you up like this :p
 
Apr 9 at 12:59, by Derpy
once there was an user in a room. She has an avatar with a blue pegasi on it. Multiple time she was bashed, multiple times the basher was suspended from the chat. In the end, guess who moved on? If you guessed it was she... you won!
 
Everytime you commented about SE's goal being a high-quality repo of Q&A, I upvoted it.
 
I feel like I'm talking against a wall of "but my feelings" here
How hard is it to take your uncharitable opinions of other users and just not post them
 
2:59 PM
FR: ban "you" and "I" on IPS.SE
or just ban "you"
 
bad idea
 
Well, I'd ban you instead
 
still a bad idea
 
do we need to ban "thee" also?
 
most likely a typo for "three"
 
3:03 PM
@HTTPS thou?
 
seems a typo of "tho"
 
itself a contraction of "though"
 
nope, just "Ye Olde Butcherede Englishe"
 
3:22 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title: How can I watch FIFA World Cup 2018 for FREE? by Willam on security.SE
 
user315433
3:51 PM
> It's time for me to leave Stack Overflow. I don't know my timeframe yet, but I'm looking for my next thing. Seeking a community-focused engineering role. If you have ideas, get in touch. DMs are open. -- Ana Noemi at 8:17 AM - 11 Apr 2018
 
user315433
What's an example of a community-focused engineering role?
 
user315433
Social Engineer?
 
Anonymous
 
@SFTP A really good example is the early days of SO, where many of the developers also directly worked with the community.
So you could push something, get feedback immediately, iterate, and keep doing that (sometimes for days) until it was just right.
A role at a more mature company would be someone that looks for pain points in products, and tries new approaches to solving them. Or, essentially, being the person that has their ear to the ground and the person that checks in code and builds out.
 
4:08 PM
I'm less and less convinced that IPS will end up being workable long term tbh
 
IPS will work fine. As long as there are active mods, SE sites will be self-correcting...
It's a natural selection.
Like those who left Physics.SE to create non-SE site called Physics Overflow
 
Anonymous
Natural selection requires a lot of death.
 
My system is still experiencing technical issues; I'm about to go for a checkup.
 
Go check-up with Dr. Eggman...
 
@HTTPS Nice idea, walk right into his trap
 
user315433
5:02 PM
Dash did enter the TIW thread after all...
 
user315433
> This is really an awful response, especially as so many on the SO team have been working on improving exactly these issues for years. “I have one contrived example” doesn’t refute people’s lived experience & isn’t how people feel safe and welcomed. Listen instead of asserting. -- Anil Dash at 8:57 AM - 12 Apr 2018
 
user315433
Question is, how do you make people feel welcomed while downvoting and closing their question? Is adding :) in a comment enough?
 
I think I just realized that SOUP reorders the 'vote' sorting (on meta?) so that accepted answer won't get pinned when it's lower than the top-voted answer (or has negative score?)
surprising and confusing at the first...
 
You sure? I haven't noticed that behavior
 
5:21 PM
Hey @Princess
 
@Andy observed on this MSO post
@SFTP "Welcome to [site.se]❗ SE is not a discussion forum, but a Q&A site. Please take a quick [tour] to understand how this site works, or 😊👉🚪"
or sometimes selfie is needed too, even in the comment
 
user315433
5:50 PM
> when you record a macro, Sheets converts the macro actions into an Apps Script automatically. If you want to update your macro, you can simply edit the script directly instead of having to re-record the macro from scratch. You can also write your own Apps Script functions and import them as new macros. gsuiteupdates.googleblog.com/2018/04/…
 
user315433
I don't have a reason to use this myself, but looks like a pretty big change in Sheets functionality. Hopefully there will be fewer "please write a script for my ultra-specific task" questions on SO and Web Apps.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ o/
 
> I should have changed that stupid lock, I should have made you leave your key
> If I'd known for just one second you'd be back to bother me
> Go on now, go, walk out the door
> Just turn around now
> 'Cause you're not welcome anymore
 
@Princess ;-D
 
user315433
-4
A: Hijacked certificate and Remote Login. Office computer compromised with a virus?

RupertBurn the machine with brimstone and fire like this

 
5:57 PM
@JohnDvorak and that's why Tim lost his key...
 
again?
 
user315433
> i cannot find any cleaning products so far with milk or honey in. chemistry.stackexchange.com/a/95079
 
user315433
Mix equal parts of milk and honey, stir, apply liberally to the surface to be cleaned. #lifehack
 
user315433
Or pour into washing machine instead of detergent...
 
Wrong input box XD
 
6:02 PM
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected, toxic answer detected: Random letters and touch input on iPad by Yunis Jama on apple.SE
 
6:21 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Email in answer: USA visa refused 4 times by MICHAEL FOXX on travel.SE
 
user315433
@SmokeDetector EDIT SUGGESTED
 
@SmokeDetector toxic answer... that's.. new?
 
user315433
Yes, Smokey is using perspectiveapi.com which was already used by HeatDetector for comments.
 
@HTTPS Not to mention those little flies, which will come and stay sticky :-D
 
6:34 PM
#causeasceneSO (not for the faint-hearted)
 
@HTTPS I'm quite tired reading about the so called toxic community at SO (or SE in general), unless new users stop polluting these sites with plain s--t. I receive a weekly newsletter from Quora since I've signed up there, and just keep it for the nods and laughs.
 
And this whole week I got exposed to many discussions on toxicity, including on YouTube, not only about SO/SE. What is this... Toxic Week?
 
@HTTPS Just follow @POTUS. They might have some answers for you (or just not) :-P
Not to mention it's a Friday 13th tomorrow again ...
 
7:00 PM
@HTTPS T;DR: a bunch of users see hate against 1 rep users who break the rules and still don't try to follow them (with horrible "excuses")
 
I didn't even know it was a thing
(it's not anymore, but it's the first time I see the migration from already-inexistant stack)
 
user315433
> . @StackOverflow community gatekeeps around what is a "valid" question to shut down minority voices. One community only uses SO for answering questions (no forum or chat). I asked about the licensing for their neural net training data. Inappropriate question! #causeasceneso -- Sage Sharp at 6:43 AM - 12 Apr 2018
 
user315433
Yeah, obviously closed because the asker was a woman, not because licensing questions are off-topic...
 
Anonymous
@HTTPS I ignored your warning and my peril and now I am emotionally damaged.
 
7:15 PM
@READandSee-It'sNotaDupe no you're a duck
I'm afraid to ask, but... what's not a dupe? @READ
 
Anonymous
Maybe that emotional pain is just my latent psychic abilities beginning to surface...
 
Anonymous
 
Anonymous
@ShadowWizard This is not a dupe, even if it's a terrible idea.
 
@READandSee-It'sNotaDupe Has Jon converted you to that line of thinking?
 
@SFTP yeah, I find it really ugly that women use their gender to try and gain sympathy. If anything, it only harms women in general. But guess we can't really fight this, so better not take part.
 
7:19 PM
.... ok...
 
user315433
Hm. A flight with 40 minute connection involving two JFK terminals. Delta is unable to give me either (a) seat number for the 1st flight; (b) boarding pass for the 2nd flight. My confidence in reaching Portland tomorrow is waning.
 
@READandSee-It'sNotaDupe huh. So I'm part of the reason for your name change... #feelingAshamed ;)
 
Anonymous
@Catija I'm not sure that it is a bad idea, but I am considering that it might be a bad idea. :P
 
@READandSee-It'sNotaDupe You really should try to see if one of the CMs will take pity on you and change your name back. I went looking for you the other day and had to do it by finding your account on SO first.
 
7:20 PM
@Catija you're as far from there as one can be, from what I see and from what I know about you. But when a woman whines "they closed/downvoted/deleted my question/answer because I'm a woman" it's just wrong in so many levels.
 
Cromwell's rule, named by statistician Dennis Lindley, states that the use of prior probabilities of 0 ("the event will definitely not occur") or 1 ("the event will definitely occur") should be avoided, except when applied to statements that are logically true or false, such as 2+2 equaling 4 or 5. The reference is to Oliver Cromwell, who wrote to the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland on 5 August 1650, including a phrase that has become well known and frequently quoted: I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible that you may be mistaken. As Lindley puts it, assigning a...
 
Anonymous
@Catija I'd rather wear it out as a lesson not to impulsively change my name. ;)
 
Anonymous
@JonEricson A wise tenet.
 
@READandSee-It'sNotaDupe whoa! +28/-28!! Posted these days, it would be like -50/+0
 
@ShadowWizard I agree with your general thesis. But, really, people of all stripes do this... I've been accused of all sorts of "you're only doing this because I'm ____". It hurts all of them...
The difficulty for me is finding a way to respond to or evade that assertion and get to the actual problem.
 
Anonymous
7:25 PM
@ShadowWizard Yeah, it caught the tail end of humour being tolerated. One of the last Fridays in Iceland. 😐
 
@Catija Don't respond beyond DVs or CVs. That's what I've learned the hard way.
 
user315433
> Thanks, Anil. To be clear, Jeff has not worked here for years, and his views here do not represent us at all. We're very aware that SO is not welcoming to many, especially people new to programming, women, and people of color. We are listening and trying to get better. -- David Fullerton at 12:21 PM - 12 Apr 2018
 
user315433
Wonder how SO leadership became aware of the site being unwelcoming specifically toward people of color.
 
user315433
Hopefully not "by reading Twitter".
 
Anonymous
oh, Jeff is back to fighting on Twitter?
 
user315433
7:28 PM
Yes, he never learns..
 
Anonymous
I kind-of appreciate him taking these fights that the staff can't for the sake of professionalism.
 
But that doesn't sound like he's doing it quite right?
 
Anonymous
Jeff was a mediocre community manager, but he really does advocate the vision passionately.
 
Anonymous
> It's been ~24 hours, so here are the results. Brand new user, clearly feminine name, random programming question. Not seeing any toxicity?
 
Anonymous
This is not a professional response.
 
Anonymous
7:31 PM
oh LOL he was being called about by Anil?
 
Yeah.
 
@SFTP Partially from the annual survey and partially from research I can't talk about right now.
 
Anonymous
Well, from having read a ton of them both on Twitter, I'll side with Jeff over Anil any day.
 
Is Joel going to be talking about it in that blog series?
 
I have no idea.
 
Anonymous
7:33 PM
I worry about people like Anil, who has strong opinions about many things but very little understanding of how Stack Overflow actually works, having too much influence on Joel/management.
 
Anonymous
His philosophies are a great fit for Glitch, which is doing amazingly, but Stack is a very different beast.
 
That's a false dichotomy. Stack Overflow can maintain its mechanics and be a more welcoming place overall.
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SO can maintain it's quality and be welcoming, too.
 
Anonymous
It definitely can, but it must be done with careful understanding of how things work, so as not to break them.
 
You need to find a way to lessen the burden on the first responders, though.
 
7:36 PM
@READandSee-It'sNotaDupe Sure, no argument there.
Well, maybe a little argument. :) There may be some things about how SO works that we'd need to adjust. Hard to say what or how, but "we've always done it this way" isn't a good product development strategy regardless of what problems are in need of fixing. So we'll see.
 
I appreciate that Jeff still has some opinion and stands it. Joel might need to report his investors.
A similar case:
 
Anonymous
That's a truth: whether the change is good or bad, the community will probably still say "you're ruining the site". Which makes it all the more difficult to really judge. :/
 
Anonymous
I've read/heard Anil mention Stack a lot of times, and I see him having those strong opinions without that understanding. That's probably fine, since it's a valuable perspective to have at the table, and the staff do have the understanding. I am just paranoid due to his relationship with Joel, and the fact that he's confident enough to engage with Jeff about these things.
 
I don't think Anil is as unaware as you think.
You might disagree with his ideas, but that's not the same as him not knowing what he's talking about. :)
 
Anonymous
That could be. Often what first appears as "ignorance" is just a disagreement one level deeper than you've [heard] discussed.
 
Anonymous
7:43 PM
I've never spoken to him. The people who have seem impressed, and I trust many of their judgements, so maybe I owe him more commutative trust.
 
user315433
The % numbers in survey aren't a proof of any problem. If NFL fan forums are mostly visited by men, does that prove they are unwelcoming to women?
 
user315433
Maybe "participation in online forums, specifically Stack Overflow" is not really an essential part of being a developer?
 
Anonymous
Also did I mention that Glitch is amazing? Well, I'll mention it again. And again. It's one of my favourite things released in the last five years or so, and the team seems to be doing an amazing job. 💖
 
I've never actually used it... I really should. I keep hearing great things.
 
Anonymous
Stack has left me feeling empty whenever a web page doesn't have an "edit" button, and Glitch lets me put them on every little tool I whip up for fun (example), and host them forever for free. :D
 
7:48 PM
@SFTP Since when were SE sites meant to be "online forums"?
 
@AdamLear So, what part does your pair programmer play? Moral support?
 
@Catija Fur heap overflow
he's shedding like crazy right now
 
Hee hee. Awww, poor guy. Finally warming up for him? Losing the winter undercoat?
 
Cats are amazing
 
he must be, but I'm also pretty convinced he's really just one fluffy undercoat with legs
 
7:56 PM
@AdamLear What breed is your cat?
 
we don't know for sure, but he's some sort of a mix of birman and another fluffy breed. persian or himalayan maybe
 
@AdamLear Sometimes pukes at your keyboard (without giving a specific reason)? Best companions ever :-D ...
 
Thankfully, never on the keyboard (yet) :)
 
Have you ever given him a bath?
 
Hahahaha no. I like having my limbs intact.
 
7:59 PM
Giving cats baths is usually a bad idea if you dislike being clawed
When I was 7 I dropped my cat at the time into a filled mopping bucket and I'm pretty sure I had to get stitches
 
But soaking wet long-haired cats are about the funniest things to look at.
 
I once had a cat I had to give a bath to (backyard rescue)... he wasn't super into being dried off, though, so he bolted and hid in his safe spot. Which is great, except that his safe spot was the litterbox.
 
@Catija Do your cats tolerate being bathed?
If so, how did you train them to do it?
 
@Magisch Catnip probably :-)
 
8:03 PM
I don't have a cat right now.
But... my understanding is that if you get them used to being bathed as kittens, you can do it all their lives.
 
I've never seen a cat that tolerates water even slightly
 
@Magisch Me neither so ...
 
@Magisch But being curious about you laying in the bathtub, and doing all dangerous things about balancing the rim. Bad injuries received, when they failed and fell into the tub.
 
8:07 PM
current apartment doesn't allow pets sadly
otherwise I'd have 2-3 cats right now
 
@Magisch They can't really deny small pets like cats or so. Did you know that?
 
They can and do
I'm getting this apartment for less then half of what it should be
there are some ... tradeoffs
 
@Magisch Not legally. But I can understand you don't wanna fight for your right.
 
Unofficial conditions include no pets fund your own repairs and no complaining when they operate industrial saws downstairs on 6am and on the weekends
 
@Magisch Better than bearing your parents maybe ;-)
 
8:11 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ Getting the apartment for 275 when it should easily be 600 based on location helps
 
@Magisch Did your job situation getting better at least?
 
aye
done with the apprenticeship, got promoted, my boss has a lot less say over what I do now
became data protection officer a while ago so technically speaking they can't even fire me anymore
 
@Magisch Sounds a lot better since "then", yes. Thumbs up!
 
8:54 PM
Regarding that (boring) discussion about _toxicity_ :
If you attend to handle toxins in the wrong way, you shouldn't wonder getting intoxicated.
(FWIW)
 
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