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user202362
12:01 AM
Personally I have no problems with tech industry's lack in diversity, I have a problem with it's lacking in true innovation in the past 15 years.
 
user202362
tech is becoming wall street II
 
user202362
lacking in diversity is only one small superfacial symptom of a deep rooted core problem
 
user315433
Well, if most of SO participants are white men, that means the rest of the IT should thank white men specifically for spending their time building a repository of knowledge, all of it without pay.
 
user315433
Can we get triple hurray for white tech bros?
 
user315433
12:10 AM
(In reality though, they had a lot of help from non-white people from India, Brazil and other places.)
 
The language that got me started in programming (lua) was made in brazil :p
 
@SFTP and that's a thing. No one's going to know/care what you are unless you say so ;p
 
user202362
Technology as I know, should lead human race to a higher level of understand and mastering of nature environment, not just money grabbing, mass surveillance machine producing sort. If it is so useless, then it does not matter whether you hire white men, black women or just monkeys.
 
I mean, y'all know I'm a tamil speaking singaporean indian. The average person will probably assume I'm british or american ;p
 
user202362
12:24 AM
stackoverflow is just a facet of tech industry, sometimes you can not tell it's problem apart from problem of tech in general
 
user202362
@SFTP I wonder how many of SO answers have not become obsolete in 3 years.
 
user202362
Not a problem of SO itself of course
 
rofl.
@ShadowWizard ^
bamba. Not only for silly hats.
 
user202362
12:40 AM
Also I know many women who use stackoverflow, but they generally lurk and seek the answer they are after without participate in asking, answering the questions, let alone participating in the survey.
 
user202362
also whoever takes a grudge over a tweet for so long, really needs a new hobby ... or a few
 
;p
People keep bringing it up!
 
user315433
The happy hour is at the time that works for the USA, to the exclusion of Europe, Asia, and Australia. Outrageous.
 
@JourneymanGeek o_O
 
@Magisch o_0 yerself.
Its pretty true!
 
user202362
12:54 AM
 
user315433
Currently puzzled by the number of coffee shops in Portland. How can this city consume that much coffee?
 
user315433
> Portlanders Googled "coffee" more than anyone last year. wweek.com/culture/2017/11/07/…
 
Maybe they just don't know how to make coffee in the comfort of their own homes.
 
Its the exiting vim of portland?
or is exiting vim the coffee of SO?
 
user202362
maybe portland has less population, so they need to sell more to each person in order to make up the sales </trollololo>
 
user202362
1:15 AM
Also you are not in according to the inclusion rule, it's supposed to be white man aged between 18 and 35 @SFTP
 
user202362
speaking of which, by this inclusion rule, more than half of the people on this chat would be outsiders
 
user202362
amazing
 
user202362
also apple wouldn't give me a free diversity ticket to their WWDC, highly disappointed ...
 
Starbucks subsidies?
 
user202362
startbuck is based in seattle not portland
 
user202362
1:29 AM
different states also
 
1:47 AM
Morneng
@JourneymanGeek and I'm a Chinese-Indonesian (no foreign/Western ancestors) despite my Western name...
(who can't speak Chinese at all >_<)
@TelKitty so true... and not only people, but kittens, dogs, piglets, flowers, smiling emoticons, hedgehogs, ponies, etc...
 
2:07 AM
@HTTPS and that's something people miss
tbh I kinda think diversity means something different to... well white people ;p
 
2:26 AM
@READandSee-It'sNotaDupe native american or indian indian?
 
Anonymous
Indian as in India.
 
user315433
@JohnDvorak A lot of Starbucks locations, also local chains and independent shops
 
Anonymous
:P
 
user315433
Sometimes 3 out of 4 corners of an intersection are coffee shops.
 
@READandSee-It'sNotaDupe ah, ok
 
Anonymous
2:28 AM
But I'm a bit more of a genetic mutt, really. 23andMe is nifty.
 
ah
no point asking what part of india then? ;p
 
@JonEricson They're probably just trying to find the most ecologically-friendly, fair trade, open source, non-derivative suppliers. ;)
 
They could grow their own ;p
 
I don't think Oregon's climate is appropriate.
 
user315433
Is Austin like the Portland of Texas? But bigger, as everything else...
 
Anonymous
2:33 AM
@JourneymanGeek the part that is now Pakistan ;). But my mom's family left right after the split and identified as Indian.
 
Anonymous
She was born in Karachi
 
ah
that was a mess
also, still north ;p
 
user202362
 
@SFTP I'm pretty sure that (population-wise) Austin is smaller... and it's a lot hotter.
 
user315433
Google says Austin 950K, Portland 640K
 
2:37 AM
@TelKitty drinking Javanese coffee while working on a Java project in Java island...
 
I suspect though portland may be more dense?
@HTTPS YOU ARE TOTALLY DOING THAT ARE YOU NOT?
 
user315433
Yes, Portland would definitely win climate wise... if one could sometimes see the sun.
 
That's actually really surprising.
 
user315433
One of the coffee shops I stopped at today was "Java Man"... again excluding women in tech...
 
user202362
weather wise San Francisco is pretty nice
 
user202362
2:40 AM
Sydney weather is becoming weird, 30 degrees celsius right in the middle of autumn
 
user202362
for nearly a whole week
 
user315433
Thanks to SO, we know what Sydney looks like...
 
user315433
 
user315433
Very inclusive engineering team, with a koala.
 
user202362
:/ ... there is no motivation for a koala to climb a palm tree :x
 
2:42 AM
@SFTP Snowy?
 
@SFTP This music video produced by Oracle is IMO racist and borderline sexist:
 
@SFTP very pixelated, nonetheless
 
Weather here in Austin can be deceptive...one trick I figured out is to always feel my window glass to see if I need my coat and antihistamine
 
user315433
I like nerds and rap, but not rapping nerds...
 
user202362
also I have never ever seen a koala around Sydney
 
2:45 AM
@TelKitty New Zealand perhaps?
 
user202362
huh?
 
(The Australian and New Zealand versions of Zootopia replaced out a certain animal in a certain scene with a koala)
@TelKitty Do you see koalas in New Zealand a lot?
 
user202362
not sure there are koalas in New Zealand other in zoos
 
(In China that was replaced with a panda, in Japan with a tanooki, and everywhere else it's a moose)
 
user202362
I have seen a few in victoria
 
user315433
2:48 AM
-1
A: Tagged.com Style Browse Toolbar

WTFreezerFrom what I have seen in the source codes they have used js and css.

 
user202362
there are plenty of koalas in the cape otway national park so I heard & I have personally saw a few there
 
user315433
:-/ accepted answer /-:
 
My friend spotted one roaming around near Melbourne
@Catija Austin can be cold at times, though...it can be cold with clear skies or warm with overcast skies...it's just unpredictable
 
I don't know why these guys put every question (which they can't answer) on hold ? — user3391450 Mar 17 '14 at 21:32
._.
 
@READandSee-It'sNotaDupe Same thing happened to my grandparents...they were born in Sindh, and moved during the great migration (when they were babies) to near Nagpur
 
user202362
3:00 AM
Melbourne is the capital city of Victoria state
 
Welp, a drama on MSO for "high-rep revenge editing my posts"
 
linkie?
 
link (don't want to onebox)
 
user315433
> if ur done creating a account,pls activate ur gmail and dats all easy after dat, or if u have now an account, pls add me in gd/friend request thx
 
user315433
3:02 AM
guess the site ^^
 
1. OP needed education on how SE worked
2. Experienced user handled it gracefully IMO
what drama? What we had was a failure to communicate
 
For Wikipedia guidelines on people editing articles on topics they are personally, financially, or ideologically connected to, see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. If you are looking for Valued images, see Wikipedia:Valued pictures. Or you may be looking for Wikipedia:No vested contributors. Editors who are heavily involved with the editing of a particular article may have a vested interest in the outcomes of decisions relating to that article, such as merge or deletion requests. This does not mean that such editors' arguments should be dismissed as arising from a Wikipedia:Conflict of interest...
tl;dr people could have a personal attachment to what they write, and when stuff is being removed they could be biased against it even though the rule specifies...
 
user315433
3:29 AM
> So naturally I thought I had to enable it in Python. And I know nothing about Python, except it's a big snake. blender.stackexchange.com/questions/62668/…
 
3:51 AM
> A: For those without JavaScript (such as those using screen readers IIRC) buttons that did nothing would be rather useless.
> B: That's a good point, I didn't think about disabled JavaScript. Is it not posbsible/reasonable to have separate cases for JS enabled/disabled?
> A: Not without JavaScript, i.e. you would have to wait until the page loads (or at least the topbar DOM) anyway.
 
user315433
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A: what to do when someone is continuously editing my questions to make score

kamran shahI WILL SAY "THANKS" TO EVERY MEMBER WHO WILL BE RESPONDING TO MY POSTS. I WILL ALSO SAY THANKS IN ADVANCE TO ALL MEMBERS WHO READ MY POSTS. IF ME BEING NICE TO PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY HELPING ME OUT IS HURTING SOME EGO FREAK THAN SO BE IT. I GIVE A DAMN ABOUT SUCH UNWANTED PEOPLE. WITH ALL THAT E...

 
user315433
There is A LOT MORE there
 
welp, VLQ flag. I don't want to salvage it by removing all the "thanks" and drop the case.
 
user315433
We are editing out and flagging "thanks" but leave things like this on the site...
 
user310756
@JourneymanGeek except for the fact the apis keep d/evolving
 
user202362
4:06 AM
have you been camping out with your foals?
 
user310756
yes!
 
user202362
Cool :)
 
user310756
the little one is taking milk replacer - thankfully
 
user310756
he is still thin
 
user310756
I will worm him when he is stronger
 
4:08 AM
I guess.. I'm missing a context/technical term with "to worm (something)"...
 
user202362
so have you actually come across a dingo/wild dog at night? @Yvette
 
I think I'd refer it to be deworming.
but yes, giving medication to kill off stomach worms
 
ahh, that makes sense better... I chose the wrong definition of "move (something) into a confined space by wriggling it."
 
or intentionally getting worms
 
user315433
> But just so you don’t feel to mad The lyrics of Take on Me by A-Ha worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/109524/…
 
user315433
4:14 AM
Well it could be worse
 
user315433
(someone posted "Gucci Gucci" in full, on another site)
 
user310756
@TelKitty they killed an alpaca a week ago and a hunter shot one in the next door paddock. I honestly hope I don't see one - I use flash lights and foxlights. If one gets that close me and my dogs are in trouble. I have a hammer. But if they get that close. I'm going to be savaged
 
user202362
given easier preys they probably would not come for dogs and human
 
user202362
but they are pretty desperate if they have attacked an adult alpaca
 
user310756
exactly - although they did try to attack one of the neighbours a few years back - he shot one of them
 
user310756
4:28 AM
@TelKitty they're vicious - too many domestic dogs let loose and they're not as scared of people as pure bred dingos - they hunt differently
 
user310756
@TelKitty well they will have to kill me to get to my foals - bring it! By that I mean over my dead body - not I want to die!!!
 
user202362
didn't realise there is such a large wild dog population in the region ... camped at seal rocks for a few days with a friend, saw nothing bigger than a cat
 
user202362
spotted plenty of pipis but that's not the point
 
user310756
they don't prey on people and yes there is - there's clusters and in around Coomba park and all around here is pretty bad.
 
It seems that StackPrinter is not going to work for a few hours: stackprinter.com/…
> ..for the love it bears to fair maidens forgets its ferocity and wildness.. too many requests from this app/user pair, more requests available in 12138 seconds
 
user315433
4:44 AM
Uh... something about bears loving fair maidens with ferocity and wildness?
 
user310756
lol
 
 
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6:26 AM
11 messages moved to Chimney
 
6:41 AM
trivial and slightly fr I'm half tempted to ask about...
turns out twitter has alt-text for emoji. Would be lovely to have, but I'm entirely sure folks in SO corp have bigger things to do ;p
 
well, emoji on Twitter is an image, not text...
<img class="Emoji Emoji--forText" src="https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f35e.png" draggable="false" alt="🍞" title="Bread" aria-label="Emoji: Bread">
 
which is kinda nice, accessibility wise ;p
also when you're wondering "what the hell is that?"
 
user315433
Can text have alt-text?
 
@JourneymanGeek True though... also for those "Apple's proprietary emoji" like
 
@SFTP nope!
I didn't think to see if it was an image ;p
but replacing all the unicode emoiji characters with images sounds... like a lot of work .
 
6:54 AM
@SFTP seems possible
272
Q: How do I add a tool tip to a span element?

MichaelICEIn the following code, I want a tool-tip to come up when the user hovers the span, how do I do that? I don't want to use any links. <span> text </span>

so the trick is to wrap the emoji, then add title="emoji"
but not sure if it's mobile-friendly... (can i haz tooltip on mobile?)
 
and would likely need some non standard stuff to SE's flavour of markdown/stuff rendering...
 
user315433
@HTTPS Shown by long-tap in some browsers
 
add markdown support for :duck:
 
8:16 AM
Got to love how Balpha's inclusivity tweet seems to devolve into "I should be able to ask duplicate questions, and say please and thanks, and not be downvoted, and ask any question I want, and ... " by people who are probably not part of the "excluded" segment.
 
Uhh... basically, no moderation? Isn't that... Yahoo! Answers Overflow?
Even there's downvote on Y!A
 
It's the basic problem with many valid critical discussions regarding SO/SE that I've seen time and time again. "Excellent point, and here are my unrelated grievances". I hope it doesn't end up distracting from his intentions.
 
And I just realized Ana left will leave SO in the midst of the recent critics. I hope it's a coincidence...
 
Wait, really?
 
If you're hiring for this kind of role, you should jump on the opportunity to get Ana on board. She's awesome. https://twitter.com/anoemi/status/984088109804638209
 
8:29 AM
Well, here's to hoping for good if not better things in her future then.
 
user310756
@rene fwiw it was your comment under one of my meta posts stating that the socvr didn't allow pile on that encouraged me to stay on the network, when I was at my wits end
 
@Bart This is what it always comes down to isn't it
 
@Magisch seems like it, which is a shame.
 
The very reason why SO is better then quora or yahoo answers gets trotted out as a failing of inclusivity
 
user310756
@HTTPS what do you mean?
 
user310756
8:34 AM
@Magisch a lot of critics of the site - fial to acknowledge it
 
user310756
s oops
 
user310756
fail to acknowledge it's not a free for all like many places on the internet
 
user310756
it's not SO's fault people can be difficult
 
@Magisch the main issue I see in the responses is the confusion between "a failure of inclusivity" which is definitely worth discussing and "yeah, I didn't get to ask what I want in the way I want it, so I'm excluded"
 
user310756
@Bart it's so difficult and to affect change - it's like a multitude of disclaimers need to be written to stop these sideways discussion
 
8:37 AM
Exactly @YvetteColomb. I'm always up for those discussions, especially since I'm on the "most definitely included" end of it. But after 5 minutes you go "well, this is a shitshow now" ...
 
@YvetteColomb I actually wanted to say: Ana declared that she will leave SO in unknow future time, in the midst of these recent critics on 'inclusivity' (on 11 April, this "toxic" week). Ijust hope that these 2 are unrelated.
Because if it is, then it's going very badly for SO's image
 
user310756
omg this is terrifyig - I'm stuck in an electircal storm in a paddock and had to get out in the lightening to let a freaked out horse out of a cattle yard - handling metal gates
 
user310756
I'm camping overnight in my paddocks as we have wild dogs and foals and a horse about to foal
 
Ehm .... stay alive please
 
user310756
I swear to God I thought I was going to have a aheart attack in fright
 
user310756
8:44 AM
I'm in the car again - unless the tree next to me gets struck and falls onto the car - I should be ok
 
@Bart definitely this. Up until yesterday, I failed to separate the case between "race/gender inclusivity" and "new users ignoring rule" since both outcome are the same: "rude/condescending comments". The latter is already the (in)famous "SO is rude" debate, up until we're already used to it and keep move on, blinding the other minor-but-more serious case.
 
"And it is for those famous last words that we remember Yvette"
:p
 
user310756
lolol
 
user310756
ikr!
 
user310756
people think I'm crazy - but I hae a duty of care to my horses
 
user310756
8:46 AM
I can't have a pregnant horse go insane and hurt herself inside a cattly yard
 
user310756
sorry typos
 
Are horses generally scared of weather like that?
 
user310756
@Bart tell me about it. It drives me nuts how a simple discussion or even argument - in the purest sense - gets hijacked. It means the problem is never solved
 
user310756
omg my little foals are crying out
 
:(
 
user310756
8:48 AM
yes - becuase of the lack of shelter where I have them - there's better places to hide further down, but that's where the wild dogs come in
 
user310756
can I get electrocuted through a laptop?
 
In your car? Nah
 
user310756
yep in car
 
@YvetteColomb should be safe
 
user310756
I have these two foals - one is so tiny and undernourished... I feel so bad
 
user310756
8:49 AM
oh here comes the hail storm
 
user310756
@πάνταῥεῖ thanks
 
user310756
I need to google the likelhood of horses foaling in hail stroms
 
user310756
shit
 
user310756
sorry I'm freaked out - none of the horses have shelter
 
user310756
and it's hailing
 
8:50 AM
Horses are tough
 
That's ambigue... :/
 
user310756
I can't open the gate for them - it's lightning
 
Check a weather radar perhaps? Generally such storms should move pretty fast
 
@YvetteColomb yeah, yeah, yeah ... keep reminding me ... I'm sorry, okay? ... Left another comment. Piling on ....
 
Are people arguing you did a good thing @rene? Unpossible
 
9:00 AM
That ^
:D
 
@SmokeDetector k
 
@πάνταῥεῖ congrats with your new SD privileges ;)
 
user310756
sorry about that - there's still lightning - but it's moved sufficiently away that the horses are grazing in the rain
 
good to hear
 
user310756
9:10 AM
@rene hey - stop being cheeky :D
 
user310756
@Bart for a flower he sure gets around :D
 
user310756
sorry I swore in chat!
 
Someone get a moderator in here
 
user310756
stat
 
9:25 AM
@SmokeDetector fp
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Registered answer as false positive.
 
9:43 AM
Bumped:
24
Q: Don't extend suspensions from the parent site to chat

Mad ScientistSuspensions are in most cases carried out per-site, users are not banned from the whole network in general. There are network-wide suspensions, but they are not used for misbehaviour of users. Users get a fresh chance on another site even if they have been suspended on another SE site. So I was ...

@YvetteColomb Great!
 
@πάνταῥεῖ heh. I was asking for the reverse.
 
@Journey I made up my good reasons
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching website in body: Making an AppleScript that holds down by swzbvj on apple.SE
 
@SmokeDetector k
@Journey I had a quite annoying case at the German Language Beta site yesterday
 
10:01 AM
20K doctor meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309063/… /cc @Bart @JourneymanGeek @ShadowWizard @Glorfindel (needs 1 more)
 
already did
 
Yeah, I saw you were the last close voter, so I expected that to be the case
 
10:17 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ as I see it, chat is a privilege. Also certain people actually use this in an attempt to avoid chat suspension. It rarely works of course....
 
@journey I have still all privileges at other sites than SO. They have chat rooms that are specific for e.g. moderation issues at these sites. It makes no sense that I cannot participate there.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ oh wait
your parent is SO, you're suspended there and you can't post on any other chat?
 
^That
e.g. I'm participating at German Language, Code Review and do moderation mostly.
 
10:46 AM
tbh the only strange thing there might be that people have SO as a parent on SE chat and that's the only situation that gets you suspended on 2 chat servers
... how long are you suspended for?
 
42 years ...
a mild suspension ...
 
@TelKitty LOL! I already left a DV there, must have been some time ago :-D
@JourneymanGeek It ends at end of june
 
11:10 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ wonder if you can very politely get in touch and ask a CM about it
 
@JourneymanGeek I can of course be very polite :-D
 
Being contrite would help too!
 
I was pointed to that existing FR yesterday.
 
.... I mispelled being, spelled contrite correctly 0_0
naw, didn't even check spellcheck
 
11:18 AM
@Journey One more thing: When the chat window says "your account is suspended on the parent site and cannot chat for 76 days." parent site refers to my parent site rather than the site the CR was originated from?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ your chat parent site?
on meta its always meta, and on SO its always SO
 
@JourneymanGeek The site my account originated from.
 
on se chat...
I didn't realise you could set SO as a parent
@πάνταῥεῖ naw, you can set a specific site as your chat parent
 
I didn't fully get that
 
on chat.stackexchange.com there's no reason to set it as the only site that seems to matter to anyone SO
 
11:23 AM
Yeah, that clarifies a lot
 
Sorry I wasn't clear
But I guess red freehand circles are worth a thousand One Million words ;p
 
Well, that seems a very small niche problem :-)
 
On the other hand
We had a chat troll who tried to set other sites as his parent...
 
user202362
I have been downvoted by a known troll!!!
 
user202362
totally meta question material: what if I have been downvoted by a troll?
 
11:30 AM
Heh
Push to talk is nice unless you press it while writing to chat
 
Looks like I have to put my Cilice on and contact the CMs.
 
12:26 PM
@TelKitty troll them back as always~
 
user310756
@HTTPS where did this toxic week start? and why would Ana leave because of it? I hope not struggles for herself? I would be surprised and disapponted if that was the case
 
user310756
@TelKitty but you are the troll!!! LOL
 
user310756
@TelKitty hahahaha you compared it to manslaughter!!
 
user310756
Specific, yes. Misleading, no. Adding 4 legs to a snake drawn is not called being specific. — TelKitty Apr 8 '17 at 7:11
 
@Yvette I sent you a mail :)
 
user310756
12:39 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ replied
 
@YvetteColomb since last week when April's tweet reply to Joel's blog, then it went south. Regarding Ana's leave, well I really hope it's not because of the "inclusivity" issue that might affect her mental state on SO's management (this is purely just a hypothetical question, probably too far stretched)
 
@YvetteColomb To that very recent one already?
 
user202362
@HTTPS you troll @πάνταῥεῖ
 
@HTTPS actually started a fair bit earlier
 
user202362
@YvetteColomb I know right? I couldn't imagine what kind of crime you could commit on SE to warrant 10 times the length of a punishment to manslaughter
 
12:42 PM
@HTTPS You don't
 
And tbh, considering the reactions of folk from SO, I'm sure I'm either missing a lot of context (as a non SO user?) or something.
 
user310756
@TelKitty you know I had a 20 year suspension? O.O
 
@YvetteColomb public enemy number one to beloved peddler of foal images ;p
 
@YvetteColomb Seems the servers were just slow :P
 
user310756
@HTTPS :/
 
12:44 PM
@Yvette THX for the heads up
 
user310756
@JourneymanGeek oh public foal enenmy number one - I forced my baby foal to have pats today - he almsot enjoyed himself at one point (he's a wild horse) - his sister foal then played touching nose games - so that was progress. I have another horse who let me touch his nose today without carrying on with wild eyes "you touched my nose!!" they all need taming
 
lol
I'm not actually sure if ash is fine with intentional snoot booping ;p
(The dog, not the user/mod ;p)
 
user310756
lol
 
user202362
my chicks only allow me to touch them when I feed them, little cute bastards
 
user310756
I mean - me touching their noses with my hand! not my nose. Though I did rub this little boy with my face - to show him I wasn't trying to hurt him.
 
12:48 PM
(I consider myself a negative-minded person, so I more often think of the worst case than the best case... sorry about that 🙇)
 
Oh ash loves to be carried - especially in his old age ;p
 
user310756
@TelKitty lolol
 
user310756
@HTTPS that's ok - I'm similar. I don't know much about Ana
 
user310756
@JourneymanGeek how old is he?
 
@YvetteColomb almost 13
 
user202362
12:49 PM
Oo
 
user202362
that's not too young :x
 
heh, ya
and he has an old leg injury that gives him trouble, especially when it rains...
 
user310756
:[ aw
 
user310756
poor Ash
 
user202362
@HTTPS I see that tweet induced Joel to write a lot more, we know what motivates him now.
 

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