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hichris123

00:00

May I have some close votes please? ;)

reopen-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/6064510/… (much better answers)

cv-plz dupe stackoverflow.com/questions/7086734/how-to-get-my-ip-address

pokes the @Doorknob

Frank

Why is it mathoverflow.net, not .com?

Doorknob

All voted upon

hichris123

Wow, @Doorknob does wonders. :)

Doorknob

@Frank .com redirects to .net

bjb568

00:16

@SmokeDetector lel

user259867

@Frank Back in 2009, Anton Geraschenko (the admin of original MO) "registered mathoverflow.[net|org|com]." source. He did not explain why they went with .net, but I think the idea was to avoid .com as associated with commerce and .org as associated with formal nonprofit organizations (they had no formal organization at the time).

bjb568

Yeah. Like how devdoodle.net is a programmers network.

Frank

@FamousBlueRaincoat doesn't match most of SE

@Doorknob ik

bjb568

@Frank mathoverflow is where the really kewl kids roam

user259867

@Frank It was created before there was SE network, in the early days of SE 1.0 model

Frank

00:20

@FamousBlueRaincoat they could change it so not to bother ~~our~~ my OCD-ness

user259867

@Frank They prefer to stand apart from SE sites. E.g., there are no Hot Network questions in sidebar on MO. Their contract with SE includes a provision for MO to leave the network, taking the full database (not a public dump) with them. Etc.

user259867

Independence. Academic Freedom. And so on.

Frank

What's the difference between Mathematics and Mathoverflow?

user259867

194

Q: Differences between mathoverflow and math.stackexchange.

What are the differences between MathOverflow.net and Math.stackexchange.com? Why two communities for Mathematics? Wasn't one enough?

bjb568

!se Differences between mathoverflow and mathmatics

java - What's difference between Math.pow(9, 18) and 9^18 ...

um… ok

hichris123

00:24

lol

Frank

research level vs. any level ... ?

user259867

@bjb568 learn to spell first...

bjb568

!se Differences between mathoverflow and mathematics

java - What's difference between Math.pow(9, 18) and 9^18 ...

same

hichris123

!se Differences between mathoverflow

bjb568

java - Difference between & and && - Stack Overflow

Javaaaaaaaa!

user259867

00:26

@Frank Yeah, in principle. In practice this means that "research-level" (whatever that means) goes almost exclusively to MO; math.se gets the rest.

Frank

@FamousBlueRaincoat So MO will get only hard ones, and math.se is fine with anything.

They should be merged.

still don't see the point of different sites for different levels of math.

@Fam would this be on-topic at math.se?

so wrong

user259867

@Frank Yes, it would. But the sites are defined by audience, not just by topic.

Frank

@FamousBlueRaincoat both audiences together would be able to answer anything

user259867

Also, merge is a non-starter, because MO wants to be MO, and they are a separate organization with its own governing body, etc.

Frank

Well I think they should either go away or merge, cause I'm too OCD

user259867

00:31

Okay, here's an analogy: Ask Ubuntu and Unix & Linux. Same topic essentially. But very different communities, and they would not want to merge.

bjb568

0

Q: First revision has dup user signature

Eg http://stackoverflow.com/revisions/5564429/1 is both the answerer and the revision owner, which are the same. This looks weird. The second one also looks kinda long… (in fact it looks like padding is borked too on MSE)

bug design

yuk

Frank

gtg now - cy'all

bjb568

biya

user259867

6

Q: Thought experiment: What would happen if we didn't have close votes?

After reading "My Love-Hate Relationship with Stack Overflow: Arthur S., Arthur T., and the Soup Nazi" one of our developers wondered what would happen if we didn't have close votes. Disclaimer: I don't know of any actual plans to actually get rid of close votes. Like legalizing marijuana, a chan...

discussion vote-to-close

hichris123

Ooh nice he posted it.

user259867

00:38

I'm still unclear on why someone's critical blog post means SE folks must be wringing hands, scratching heads, and wondering where our lives went wrong.

user259867

A little more confidence, please.

bjb568

yeah

hichris123

@FamousBlueRaincoat Uh... what? I think you misunderstand. No one is wringing their hands... more like an event caused SE to say "Is this really the best way?"

And in all honesty, the close vote/reopen vote system probably can be done a lot better. It's just the how that we need to figure out.

bjb568

6

Q: Is targeting "closest" or "last" ever useful?

In Bloons TD5, I often use targeting "first" or "strongest", and I'm wondering if they are and towers/situations where the targeting options "closest" or "last" are ever useful. Are they? Why or why not?

bloons-td-5

Oh man, those days.

user259867

00:55

I don't really care if questions get closed or not. As long as they get deleted.

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bjb568

Probably punishments won't work. — bjb568 7 secs ago

I think that applies to half of parenting questions. It's like parents… they never learn.

Always punishing instead of using positive reinforcement.

user259867

@SmokeDetector tpu not really offensive but trolling

SmokeDetector

@FamousBlueRaincoat Blacklisted user.

user259867

@bjb568 Maybe they never learn because they don't get enough positive reinforcement?

bjb568

01:07

Well, I'm not a grand-parent yet so notgonnabeme.

user259867

-2

Q: Terraria - HOW DO I EDIT A TOMBSTONE ON iPad ON TERRARIA?

On My iPad I Want To Make A Memorial For My Pet Goldfish But When I Place my Tombstone And I Walk Next to it It says No "Edit" Button On my iPad Do I Need A Certain Tool? Do I Have A Wrong Device? Please Help!

terraria-mobile

hichris123

cv-plz dupe stackoverflow.com/questions/3351929/…

bjb568

@hichris123 NAA?

hichris123

01:23

Huh?

bjb568

1

A: Android How to find Dynamic IP from device?

if you want the external IP this website can help you, they also have an XML API hope this helps. If you need the local IP (if on WIFI) there should be something in the Android api

hichris123

Oh. Eh, don't bother.

It'll go straight to mods, and hopefully the duping will help things.

Kevin Brown

01:40

Does anyone know if deleted questions will prevent a tag from being removed?

Santa Claus

@hichris123 In fact, my school already closed for tomorrow.

hichris123

@KevinBrown Hmm... I don't know.

@SantaClaus Wow. We don't even have a two-hour delay yet. :)

user259867

@KevinBrown They don't. I remember someone complaining that locked questions (rejected migrations) make zombie tags stay forever. If the thing is unlocked and deleted, the tag can go too.

bjb568

How should questions be categorized in DevDoodle? I don't like tags. I'm thinking a nested structure thing (from the ask page):

Kevin Brown

@FamousBlueRaincoat But if a <10k user burninates a tag but wasn't able to clear out the deleted questions (they can't see them), will that hold it back?

bjb568

01:45

(dependent on language, which is separate)

Kevin Brown

Whoa, did Vim just exit private beta?

hichris123

@KevinBrown I don't think so because only mods can see deleted questions from search.

user259867

@KevinBrown yes it did!

hichris123

But again, not sure.

1

Q: Building a foundation for vi/vim knowledge

This site will shortly enter public beta. With that change in status will come fresh opportunities: visibility via search engines and throughout the Stack Exchange network, a team of moderators chosen from within the community, and a path to obtaining the status of a full-fledged member of the St...

discussion featured beta-progress

user259867

@KevinBrown That's what I think: deleted questions don't matter. The tag will go away.

user259867

01:48

But this is based on inferences, etc -- nothing to quote.

bjb568

… is ignored

runs away

hichris123

Run away cat.

bjb568

:O

hichris123

> And if that doesn't happen, it'll be because in your hearts you all know that Emacs is a better editor. Go on, prove me wrong again...

lol

user259867

"Y'all" used four times in the post. Too many.

user259867

01:51

@bjb568 You did not ask a question... what's with the checkboxes?

hichris123

@FamousBlueRaincoat Hey, it's Shog.

user259867

I know. But even then. Too many.

hichris123

Huh. chat.meta.stackexchange.com/…

user259867

writes a cross-site query to find the maximal number of y'alls in a Shog post

Shog9

@FamousBlueRaincoat You're right, that is too many; my previous max was 3. I haven't been writing well all week.

Too much CO inhalation over the weekend, I think.

hichris123

01:58

Do you use y'all a lot when speaking, @Shog9?

Shog9

No

hichris123

Do you use y'all when speaking, then?

Shog9

Folks tend to find it offputting when I write the way I talk. Also when I talk the way I talk, but that's a harder problem to solve with editing.

Doorknob

People here in Texas gladly reinforce stereotypes and use it all the time.

Shog9

I know. I'm a big fan of the way Texans talk.

hichris123

02:01

A cultural borrower, I see.

Shog9

I try to work "ma'am" into my speech whenever I'm dealing with customer service people. It makes a noticeable difference in how I'm treated.

Doorknob

shibboleet

Shog9

Usually a positive difference, although occasionally I won't realize I'm talking to a dude... Then things tend to go downhill.

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hichris123

@Doorknob Now, the question is: do you know where that comes from?

Doorknob

02:03

@hichris123 xkcd, obviously. (No, I haven't memorized the ID. :) )

hichris123

@Doorknob Well, kinda. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth

Doorknob

huh

Never knew that. (Adding "leet" to it makes it all the more funny.)

hichris123

I only know that from a TV show. ;P

user202362

vi/vim has its own site? I can totally see eclipse & VS wanting to follow it's suit, not to mention notepad & notepad++

Doorknob

Meh. Eclipse and VS questions can go on Stack Overflow.

They're programming-specific tools.

Vim isn't just for programming. (Also, it's much, much more expansive.)

bjb568

02:22

@FamousBlueRaincoat They're on the ask page – you check them if you're using them. It's to illustrate the tree structure of the "tags".

The question was "How should questions be categorized in DevDoodle?"

lel

user259867

@SmokeDetector fp

SmokeDetector

@FamousBlueRaincoat Registered answer as false positive.

bjb568

How's that work?

Is it besieaning the bodies?

user259867

@bjb568 I don't know. It looks complicated with nested checkboxes. And I don't like being shown an assortment of libraries every time I ask a JS question.

bjb568

Humph…

Just a tag thing, with the tree part of the system and not show to user?

user259867

02:32

Yes, that would be less load on the user. Tree can be implemented internally by linking tags.

bjb568

okey

Easier to implement too :P

hichris123

@bjb568 Perhaps, but besieaning is not a word, so...

bjb568

Oh you know what I mean…

I can't find the spelling.

hichris123

No, I don't.

bjb568

ugh

AIing

hichris123

02:39

Well, that was weird. My router just took WiFi and only WiFi offline.

Anyway, I think you meant Bayesian @bjb.

And no, it's not using Bayesian analysis for answers.

Andy

How do I search on SE to only return questions less than or equal to a score? if I do score:-7 it returns everything scoring -7 or greater

Doorknob

@Andy score:..-7

Shog9

waffles

Andy

Ah. Thank you

Doorknob

Oh, didn't see "less than or"

Yeah that ^

hichris123

02:42

Uh... okay then.

Doorknob

Well that works

bjb568

@hichris123 yas

hichris123

Stop trying to makeing everythinging intoing an adverbing.

bjb568

huh?

Looks like a verb, not an adverb.

hichris123

-ing is an adverb

Usually.

Okay, functions as an adverb.

Technically it's a gerund or a participle.

bjb568

02:53

-ly

@hichris123 no

disagreedisagreedisagree

hichris123

03:20

Anyone have reopen votes? stackoverflow.com/questions/404873/…

Also, two more close votes here: stackoverflow.com/questions/3351929/…

user259867

@hichris123 It's a Super User question. Unless using \n to represent linebreaks counts as programming?

hichris123

@FamousBlueRaincoat Well, Notepad++ is (unfortunately) a tool commonly used by programmers.

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user259867

@SmokeDetector fp edit suggested

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@FamousBlueRaincoat Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

bjb568

03:34

On DD, we won't have to worry about on-topic on other sites!

Anybody here know mongodb?

AstroCB

@hichris123 Reopened.

@hichris123 Closed.

Doorknob

The vote for net neutrality happens in a week.

bjb568

kewl

@Doorknob Great, marks on calendar sarcastically

AstroCB

If anyone here uses the StopScroll extension, I just added Chrome support.

Doorknob

03:49

@bjb568 It's actually a really important vote.

bjb568

I know, but nothing I can do.

And more useful if you told me after it happened, then a week before.

Doorknob

Yes there's nothing you could do, but if the vote is to not classify the Internet as a public utility, it'll affect all of us.

In very very negative ways :/

bjb568

Of course.

No need to preach to the choir or whatever it was.

Oh yeah, I got the phrase right.

Doorknob

I wasn't talking directly to you. :)

AstroCB

@bjb568 And you spelled everything correctly.

Doorknob

03:51

I guess my attempt at starting a conversation... sort of succeeded?

@AstroCB that's a first

bjb568

@AstroCB I do that sometimes for intelligent conversations.

Of course thru is still thru.

AstroCB

@bjb568 neoseeker.com/forums/18/…

bjb568

McDonald's.

What a filthy place.

srsly

Don't do forums, kids.

@bjb568 (the forum, not mcdoogles)

Andy

04:07

@FamousBlueRaincoat you sure it requires 50? I was somewhat lazy and just looked at the privileges page.

user259867

@Andy Yes, that's what the asterisks on that page say.

user259867

> these options will not appear in the flag menu until you have earned 50 reputation (the amount required for commenting).

Andy

See? That's what happens when you're somewhat lazy...you don't click the links to read the details. :) Thanks. I'll update the post

bjb568

Y'all lazy, you haven't memorized it yet?

AstroCB

> My first thought was to blame the Americans.
But I see from not even two minutes of research that it was originally an abbreviation on blueprints and technical drawing for through.

I still blame the Americans, all Americans, for making this awful, awful 'word' a part of every day language.

bjb568

04:17

idiots

user259867

Kind of spammy. stackoverflow.com/questions/28598325/…

user259867

SPAM askubuntu.com/questions/587178/…

user259867

That time of the day....

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user259867

@SmokeDetector tpu

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04:26

@FamousBlueRaincoat Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

AstroCB

@FamousBlueRaincoat Looks like spam to me (even though there is disclosure).

user259867

SPAM superuser.com/questions/879777/…

user259867

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/28598585/… typo

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user259867

@SmokeDetector tpu

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04:31

@FamousBlueRaincoat Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

Santa Claus

@bjb568 A friend of mine was kind enough to point out that PARCC spelled backwards is CCRAP.

bjb568

yeeeeeeeeaeh!

user259867

@SmokeDetector gone

bjb568

 else if (req.url.pathname == '/question/search') {
	var questions = [];
	dbcs.questions.find({$text: {$search: post.search}}, {score: {$meta: 'textScore'}}).sort({score: {$meta: 'textScore'}}).limit(6).each(function(err, question) {
		if (err) throw err;
		res.writeHead(200);
		if (question) {
			questions.push({
				title: question.title,
				body: question.description
			});
		} else res.end(JSON.stringify(questions));
	});
}

noice

Ooh, it should factor in language too…

Santa Claus

@bjb568 ew what framework are you using...you should be routing rather than using req.url.pathname...

user259867

04:35

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/28598655/… too broad, VLQ

bjb568

@SantaClaus vanilla…

user259867

> I know I should have posted this on the programmers stack overflow thingy but I didn't and I know I didn't so please don't lecture me. This is the side of Stack Overflow I have always used and I'm more comfortable just using this for now.

Santa Claus

@bjb568 Use express. Now.

bjb568

I just parse req.url with the url module.

@SantaClaus no

What's the point?

Santa Claus

`app.get('/question/search', function (req, res) {
res.JSON({someObject: "hi", anotherObject: "hi"})
})`

bjb568

04:39

:D

@SantaClaus eww

Now we have an app class?

I feel like I'm interacting with a black box by poking it in different way when using a class.

Use teh flowz.

Not teh … idk how you even describe classes.

Santa Claus

@bjb568 No, app is an instance you create using express()

bjb568

So a classy thing.

NO LIKE

Santa Claus

@bjb568 But you get all kinds of stuff for freeeeeee

bjb568

I like make em mesalf!

Santa Claus

And you can do cool stuff:
app.get('/user/:id', function(req, res) {
res.send('user ' + req.params.id);
});

bjb568

04:45

meh

Santa Claus

and middleware and stuff

bjb568

Nothing that I don't have already.

Santa Claus

all for freeeeeeeeeeeeee

user259867

My flagging history now has a footnote:

user259867

> * older flags were not recorded helpful/declined

user259867

04:45

Is this a new thing?

bjb568

probably

Santa Claus

@bjb568 and cookie handling and magical content-type presets and convenience methods like res.JSON

bjb568

I don't care.

Santa Claus

@bjb568 You should.

bjb568

Too bad.

Santa Claus

04:52

@bjb568 What are you using for object modeling?

bjb568

What?

What objects?

What modeling?

Pls not jQuery.

plox.

Santa Claus

@bjb568 Like...what is your application using to interface with your database?

bjb568

Node, mongo for node, then mongo

IDK what the question is about.

Santa Claus

@bjb568 See this

bjb568

Mongo people provide a node module, what else would you use?

WTH IS THAT

I NO WANT

IT SO UGRY!

What's wrong with interacting with mongo the right way?

The way it was designed for.

The same syntax as command line.

Santa Claus

04:55

@bjb568 Just like with express, you get stuff for free.

bjb568

:3067806 Rhetorical question?

@SantaClaus just no

That's like using HTML instead of XHTML because it's easier.

Hell no.

Santa Claus

PLEASE SOMEBODY COME FROM STACK OVERFLOW AND HELP @bjb568

HE NEEDS HELP

bjb568

nah

ugh, dom exception 12

Santa Claus

@bjb568 And both the tools I have mentioned have error handling

bjb568

… DOM IS CLIENT SIDE

Santa Claus

04:58

@bjb568 I KNOW IM NOT RETARDED

bjb568

:P

So your solution to my client side bug is…

I didn't see that… but maybe a good thing.

The answer is… Debugging!

yay

Santa Claus

@bjb568 Yes. Very good

bjb568

Try to control your emotions on the internet.

I had to learn.

Over… at (dramatic music plays) room 17

Santa Claus

@bjb568 Much of what I say is exaggerated and sarcastic.

bjb568

Oh of course.

But the internet in general is not as nice as I.

or me.

Is it I or me?

gah.

The bug was from not markdowning, so the error saved me from XSS!

Lucky I have good test questions.

:D

Santa Claus

05:07

@bjb568 If you look at any nodejs web app on github with 10+ stars, they use some sort of object modeling in addition to a web framework. Try it.

bjb568

Stars.

Right.

Santa Claus

@bjb568 There is no use in arguing with you.

bjb568

Good realization.

I tell you what tho, you don't have to now (since I know you still will try anyway…) since I'm taking a shower (coz can't lick too much coz too productive)! Past midnight already.

Santa Claus

@bjb568 Nonsense.

bjb568

yeah right

l8r

alig8r

or santa or whatever

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05:11

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user259867

@SmokeDetector tpu that's what I posted ^

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05:26

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@SmokeDetector tpu

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@FamousBlueRaincoat Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

bjb568

… and back!

user259867

SPAM drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/148989/…

bjb568

05:31

I'm going to techolympics (dot org) to morrow.

Jan Dvorak

What's "morrow'?

bjb568

> Regardless of the weather, TechOlympics is scheduled to start and end at its normal time. Presently, the weather looks clear for drop off on Friday and pick up on Sunday. Should more severe weather come, we will send an email out with any new information.

hehe, them not afraid of teh coldz

Jan Dvorak

@bjb568 English, please

bjb568

just upgrade your parser!

Jan Dvorak

@bjb568 No. You upgrade your language.

Hobo Sapiens

05:34

cv-pls All machines on the Internet using the same 'baud rate'? Really? stackoverflow.com/q/28599130/1864610

bjb568

@JanDvorak No, I'm trying to use a particular tone.

Hobo Sapiens

@FamousBlueRaincoat Gone

user259867

On tomorrow and to-morrow and to morrow

bjb568

Jan Dvorak

Get a screen on which it looks somewhat normal

... or just hack the CSS and watch as the post turns into six lines

bjb568

05:40

409px.

That's less than an iPhone width.

I think…

Jan Dvorak

plus the menu

bjb568

The old ones were 320px, right?

Menu is crap, me no need.

user259867

Yes, 320 by 480.

user259867

Blogspot is one of the platforms that Google forgot they have.

user259867

I like it for its clean API, though.

Jan Dvorak

05:42

inb4 they remember

bjb568

Awful markup.

Empty p elements? srsly? Not even <br />?

Jan Dvorak

SE has awful DOM too

ok... bad DOM

bjb568

jsfiddle.net/af027m0c

@JanDvorak nah, awful.

Tables.

Jan Dvorak

@bjb568 empty p's are worse

bjb568

I guess, but both are awful.

At least no spacer gifs or anything.

… <blink>

Jan Dvorak

05:46

<font>

bjb568

Night!

Can't bare thinking about it.

Jan Dvorak

*bear

New horror game idea: five nights with BJB568

5

bjb568

When I say Night, sometimes I go brush my teeth or pee. I did the prior. And am here. BTW, bjb is always lowercase.

Going to sleeeep now, Night!

Jan Dvorak

TMI, BJB

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user259867

06:41

@Mysticial write once, read many -- Stack wants to attract the right kind of users. Those who have questions, sure, but mostly the experts who can provide answers. So it is true to say that Stack wants to filter its users a bit. If all you want is a quick answer fix, no need to log in, just read what is already there. If all you want is new users, at any cost, of any quality, it is doubtful any experts would stick around. — Jeff Atwood ♦ 29 mins ago

user259867

I don't remember Atwood being so active on meta.so

user259867

Plot twist: now that Discourse is in stable shape, he is coming back to SE.

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06:54

@SmokeDetector tpu what I posted ^^

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