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user163250

00:03

Duplicate?: stackoverflow.com/questions/25224129/…

user163250

Canonical?: stackoverflow.com/questions/11832914/…

user163250

cv-plz Super User stackoverflow.com/q/25224012/456814

user163250

Duplicate?: stackoverflow.com/questions/25216119/…

user163250

Canonical?: stackoverflow.com/questions/14999573/…

user163250

Um, I think I just found a blatant attempt at sock-puppeting.

oldmud0

00:17

Hello, where can I report anonymously a moderator that is abusing the system? I don't want to hold grudges with him

Oh well, too bad. It's not anonymous anymore

user163250

@oldmud0 you want to report a moderator?

Braiam

@oldmud0 stackexchange.com/contactus

user163250

Wait.

user163250

Before you do that.

user163250

Are you sure it's an official moderator, and not just a user with high-rep privileges?

user163250

00:18

If it's just a high-rep user, use a flag.

oldmud0

Nope, it's an ♦

user163250

Ok, go ahead and use the contact us page. But before you do that...

oldmud0

I hope he removes his silly answer, because this is ridiculous

user163250

Where's the MSE post that talks about this?

user163250

This shouldn't be that hard to find :P

oldmud0

00:21

But, isn't the contact system also managed by moderators?

user163250

I think it goes straight to SE employees, not community mods, but I'm double checking...

Jon Ericson

@oldmud0 It bypasses moderators and goes straight to an employee. (Like me.)

@Cupcake Looking for this?

user163250

50

Q: What recourse do I have if I believe a moderator has abused his/her privileges?

Recently, I had the following things happen to me on Super User: One of my answers was locked, and a moderator left me some wrong comments (which spoil my name). Maybe I did that myself very long ago, but after my warning, I have not done any such thing. Check my records. How come moderators ca...

user163250

That shouldn't have been as hard to find as it was :P

user163250

There's this one too:

user163250

00:23

12

Q: Is there somewhere to complain about offensive moderator behaviour?

Possible Duplicate: What recourse do I have if I believe a moderator has abused his privileges? Is there anywhere or anyone to complain to about the behaviour of moderators? I've been "spoken" to offensively by a moderator, and I'm unhappy about it.

support moderators

user163250

@JonEricson for meta.stackexchange.com/q/92064/163250, do you think it would be easier to find if "complain" was replaced by "report" in the title?

user163250

I was searching for "report moderator", and I finally gave up and used moderator + "report" in the search.

user163250

@oldmud0 are you all set now?

oldmud0

@Cupcake Yes, I think so.

user163250

Duplicate?: stackoverflow.com/questions/25123502/…

user163250

00:28

Canonical?: stackoverflow.com/q/16663606/456814

Shog9

@Cupcake "report" is what we hope folks do. "complain" is what actually happens. "Fight for great justice" is what folks wish they were doing. Therefore, the title should actually read, "How can I report a complaint about offensive moderator behavior for great justice?"

5

user163250

@Shog9 that sounds very memeable.

oldmud0

justice = "just us"?

user163250

@Shog9 something along these lines...

user163250

user202362

00:37

user202362

almost the same shade of blue - coincidence? I think not!

user163250

@chmod711telkitty stop, you're creeping me out :P

user202362

~_~

AstroCB

@showdev: Actually _() is a call to a function called.. well.. _ — Antoine Lassauzay Apr 16 '13 at 20:36

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/25276295/…

user163250

@AstroCB OP deleted.

Jamal

00:42

Well, deleting is easier than posting code, I guess.

AstroCB

@Cupcake Well, that works.

3

Q: HTML / CSS Video end event issue

I am currently designing a website. I have everything done but I cannot figure out this last step. Here's the deal: I want to play a video but I want it's z-index to be over the entire website index page. Since the video is not full screen I want the rest of the website to be black. So in a wa...

javascript html css video

Three upvotes...because?

AstroCB

00:56

104

Q: Stack Overflow Moderator Cards

We recently printed some business cards for our Stack Exchange employees and they turned out great. It got us thinking: our sites' moderators have been working hard to keep our sites high quality for the past few years. They may not be employees, per se, but great community moderators are why o...

discussion community design business-cards

Was this a one-time thing or are these still sent out?

animuson

New moderators can still get them, but AFAIK they don't custom design them for each site anymore.

I have some Stack Overflow business cards.

user163250

This guy posted the exact same solution (verbatim) to three different questions. You think we should start closing them as duplicates?

user163250

1. stackoverflow.com/a/13577739/456814

user163250

2. stackoverflow.com/a/11720640/456814

user163250

3. stackoverflow.com/a/11519855/456814

user163250

01:00

Oldest to newest.

user163250

Duplicate?: stackoverflow.com/questions/25098282/…

user163250

Canonical?: stackoverflow.com/questions/235855/…

user202362

The bug I love the most is the balmain bug:

user202362

Ibacus peronii

Ibacus peronii, the Balmain bug or butterfly fan lobster, is a species of slipper lobster. It lives in shallow waters around Australia and is the subject of small-scale fishery. It is a flattened, reddish brown animal, up to 23 cm (9 in) long and 14 cm (6 in) wide, with flattened antennae and no claws. == Description == In common with other slipper lobsters, Ibacus peronii has a broad, flattened body and a large carapace. The carapace is reddish brown, and reaches lengths of 2–8 centimetres (0.8–3.1 in), with the whole animal able to reach a length of 23 cm (9 in), and a width of 10–14 cm (3.9...

user163250

cv-plz duplicate stackoverflow.com/q/2388991/456814

user163250

01:06

Or wait, is that a duplicate?

Jason C

@Cupcake It's not.

The question was.

But the one you linked to was actually an XY problem.

So the answers for the "base" one don't solve the real problem of the one you linked to.

user163250

Ok. I'm not an Android guy, so I can't tell.

Jason C

Me neither. I've never written a line of Objective C. I just read the question and answers.

Undo

@Cupcake I know how to find crazy cases of stuff like that. Even without diamond powers on SO, some socks are somewhat easy to see.

user163250

@JasonC oh, how embarrassing! Yeah, I meant iPhone :/

AstroCB

01:10

I don't understand why people use iphone on questions that have nothing to do with the iPhone. If you're talking about objective-c and cocoa-touch, tag your question as such.

user163250

@AstroCB just make iphone into a synonym for objective-c

Undo

NO. NO NO NO NO.

Jason C

@Cupcake Oh I wasn't referring to that. I just mean, we should read the question and answers closely before marking duplicates. In the one you linked to, the question had the code that the "base" one had as an answer already in it, and the accepted answer was related to some formatting when writing the log entry.

AstroCB

@Cupcake That's probably not a good idea. Really, nothing that actually needs that tag is a programming question and should be redirected to Ask Different, so it should probably be burninated, but there are way too many questions to do that.

194,489, to be exact.

user163250

So is anyone here actually an android developer?

Jason C

01:13

@AstroCB I don't understand why we have iphone at all. We have android which makes sense, and ios which makes sense. But an iPhone is the product. We don't have motorola-droid.

hichris123

@Cupcake Sure.

Undo

@JasonC iOS is a product too

iPhone is hardware.

user163250

@hichris123 stackoverflow.com/q/25061845/456814, stackoverflow.com/q/6146106/456814

AstroCB

@JasonC Exactly. And technically, we don't need ios either, because questions about iOS development should use cocoa-touch.

Jason C

@Cupcake I'm telling you it's not a duplicate. Blunt way of saying what I meant: It's not a duplicate, and it was easy enough to see that by just reading the question despite not knowing the languages.

Undo

01:14

NO

@AstroCB Not all iOS code is in Cocoa Touch.

hichris123

@Cupcake Yeah, dupe.

Doorknob

@AstroCB ... so get rid of [android] too, because it's all [java]?

Jason C

@Undo Yeah that's what I meant.

Doorknob

@Undo Motorola Droid is also hardware, right?

Jason C

@Cupcake Im dum FROM THE FUTURE!

Undo

01:15

@Doorknob uhhh... stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/motorola

user163250

@JasonC I wasn't going to argue about it, I was just wondering, because I'm looking through some other android questions right now.

AstroCB

@Doorknob @Undo No, but I mean that in a general sense, that's what they're talking about.

Jason C

The first guy is converting just fine.

Doorknob

@Undo Wait, why do we have a tag for a company?

Undo

and [motorola-droid]

user163250

01:15

@JasonC we're talking about a different set.

AstroCB

Look at this tag wiki: stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/ios

hichris123

@Cupcake Must be. Because the answers are exactly the same. Plagiarism rules! :/

Undo

THAT TAG IS A THING!

Doorknob

@JasonC Uhh apparently we actually do; I didn't bother to check :P ^

Jason C

@Doorknob Christ. Me neither. Why...

Doorknob

01:17

@Undo Woah. You can have brackets in links? :O I've never been able to do that!

AstroCB

Who wants to write the burnination-request for one and two?

Undo

@Doorknob it took me about four tries :P

escape them with `\\\` 's

hichris123

cv-plz-dupe stackoverflow.com/questions/25061845/…

Doorknob

Heh, this is going to take four tries as well :D

Undo

crap, those things hate me

Jason C

01:19

[i can totally do it!]

Undo

heh

Jason C

have some cats!

Undo

We might be able to get rid of [iphone], but someone's going to need to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is no question that that tag would be suitable for before we go retagging almost 200k questions

AstroCB

@Undo I can't think of anything iPhone hardware-related that would have to do with programming.

Jason C

@Undo Can we remove it, observe that nobody complains, then retroactively justify our actions?

AstroCB

01:21

Someone'll just create it again.

Jason C

Blacklist!

AstroCB

I wonder what people who come here to post problems with their phones about would use.

Jason C

We could synonymize iphone with motorola-droid and see if anybody goes nuts on meta.

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Undo

@AstroCB "The torch on my iPhone won't enable when I run this code. What's up?"

AstroCB

@Undo True. I feel like the use-case is very limited, though.

Undo

01:22

@JasonC Someone would do that just to see the fireworks. Some of them would come from me.

AstroCB

Perhaps i and phone?

Undo

love it.

;)

AstroCB

Oh my: I give you [phone].

"Do not use this tag"

Undo

i cant-get-my-code-to-work

Doorknob

Okay, I did an experiment for SCIENCE! Out of the first 50 [iphone] questions, exactly 8 are actually iPhone-specific (2 dubious, 2 extremely low quality). Some were tagged with [css] [iphone], which is a rare case of the tag actually making sense (although [mobile-browsers] (or something) might fit better here), and some were hardware-specific.

Jason C

01:25

I stopped reading at SCIENCE

Undo

@Doorknob why does [css] [iphone] make sense?

it should probably be [css] [mobile-safari] or [css] [ios]

Jason C

[css] [safari] maybe

Braiam

@Undo you need to create a css image of an iphone...

Jason C

^

user163250

@Shog9 I have an anti-plagiarism query for SEDE, should I just keep it to myself, or is it OK to share with other people here?

Doorknob

01:26

@Undo Yeah, I suppose that's true

bjb568

@Cupcake Give it up!

Jason C

@Cupcake Share it. I'll fork it then post it on MSE as mine.

Doorknob

Stars for EVERYBODY! :D

Undo

@Cupcake why wouldn't you be able to share it with us?

Doorknob

(I have no idea who's starring all of those :P)

hichris123

01:26

8 mins ago, by hichris123

cv-plz-dupe http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25061845/where-is-saved-or-stored-the-prefere‌nce-data-from-the-sharedpreferences

bjb568

i wannastar

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user163250

After all the witch-hunting posts on MSO...

AstroCB

@Cupcake Do it for the good of humanity [Stack Overflow].

user163250

I'm playing it safe.

Undo

@Cupcake we're responsible! :P

hichris123

01:27

wants mod powers on chat.mSE

Doorknob

^

Braiam

@Shog9 when will we have elections for mSE!?!??!?! WHEN?

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bjb568

Isn't there a star catching script?

hichris123

10 mins ago, by hichris123

cv-plz-dupe http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25061845/where-is-saved-or-stored-the-prefere‌nce-data-from-the-sharedpreferences

C'mon, vote people!

bjb568

@hichris123 Nope. Outta votes.

Jason C

01:28

It takes a lot for trolling to annoy me but... I might have to draw the line on the star thing.

user163250

@hichris123 are you sure?

hichris123

@Cupcake Yes.

Doorknob

okay, flagged for a moderator (not as if any are going to appear any time soon)

Braiam

@Cupcake he's lying :P

hichris123

@Cupcake Well, if the accepted answer on that one is plagiarized from the accepted answer on the dupe target... ;)

!!/stappstarring

Doorknob

01:29

Do I need to start up my star-catcher script? >:O

Undo

yes @Doorknob

hichris123

@Doorknob Do it.

Undo

I can't make Chrome's inspector work

Jason C

@hichris123 I see that the answers are the same but those questions are confusing me. Why is one about Eclipse and the other doesn't mention Eclipse at all?

bjb568

@hichris123 twss

hichris123

01:30

@JasonC That... is quite weird.

user163250

Guys, lay off the stars.

hichris123

I'll edit that soon.

user163250

It's star-ting to get annoying.

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AstroCB

Braiam

@AstroCB ~~photoshopped~~ css'ed

Undo

01:31

I dare you to star this, nazi!

Jason C

@Braiam You can tell cause the shadows are all wrong

bjb568

@Undo People these days will star anything.

user163250

@Undo Godwin's. You lose.

Undo

glares at a user in this room

AstroCB

bjb568

01:32

@AstroCB Learn to recycle.

Undo

@Cupcake I'm a mod, it's impossible for me to godwin myself :P

AstroCB

@bjb568 Good idea.

Jason C

I once got an email from Godwin.

bjb568

@JasonC O RLY?

Jason C

I asked him if it was OK to use some logo for something and he just replied "No, sorry." Which was a bummer. But it was awesome, because it was still from the man himself.

I haven't washed my monitor since.

bjb568

01:34

@JasonC People aren't important. Data is.

Braiam

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/25276683/792066

Undo

should I spill who the star-crazyperson is?

bjb568

Oh wat? It's past UTC!

Doorknob

2 mins ago, by AstroCB

Braiam

@bjb568 specially account numbers and passwords of Sweden banks

Doorknob

01:35

Also, installing mechanize over this terrible WiFi connection takes a long time -_-

user163250

@animuson I've got a bunch of plagiarism flags in the queue right now, if you want to clean those up. It seems like Brad handles a lot of those though, is it like one of his mod specialties or something?

bjb568

Anybody have a list of posts that need to be CV'd and DV'd? I can use all 50 right now. Just give me a JS array.

Undo

Doorknob

Oh, I should have thought of that -_-

Undo

the user_name field is what we're after

bjb568

01:36

runs

Undo

:P

Braiam

@Undo ~~photoshopped~~ js'ed >:(

bjb568

★

DoorknobChatbot

Bot initialized. Type >>help for help.

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Doorknob

Star something now, I dare you. :P

Undo

01:38

uh oh.

AstroCB

@Doorknob It couldn't have only been me...

Jason C

3 mins ago, by Braiam

cv-pls http://stackoverflow.com/q/25276683/792066

Undo

it... isn't working @Doorknob

Doorknob

oops

bjb568

>>help

Doorknob

01:38

you crashed it D:

bjb568

>>halp

Y U NO WERK?!

DoorknobChatbot

Bot initialized. Type >>help for help.

Doorknob

Because I'm bad at Ruby. Ok fixed

DoorknobChatbot

Hi DoorknobChatbot!

Undo

rofl

DoorknobChatbot

01:39

Undo starred that.

Doorknob

There. Now star something! :P

user163250

Hey, you know what, it's actually definitely not a good idea to share my plagiarism query, at least not publicly.

Undo

awesome

DoorknobChatbot

iStimple starred that.

Jason C

>>quit

DoorknobChatbot

01:39

Unknown command quit.

iStimple starred that.

Undo starred that.

user163250

It's actually trivially easy to defeat it.

DoorknobChatbot

iStimple starred that.

Braiam starred that.

iStimple starred that.

user163250

So I'd rather not share the details...publicly.

Doorknob

... now that I think about it, this might not have been the best idea -_-

DoorknobChatbot

Braiam starred that.

animuson

01:39

I will handle your flags when you handle all my bug bites.

DoorknobChatbot

iStimple starred that.

Undo

@Cupcake okay, your call ;)

bjb568

del-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/16329690/…

DoorknobChatbot

Bot killed manually

Braiam starred that.

user163250

Let me just say that, if you want to write your own, it's not hard to do.

Doorknob

01:40

... I killed it, and it didn't stop

DoorknobChatbot

iStimple starred that.

Braiam starred that.

Bot killed manually

Jason C starred that.

Undo

I will handle your flags if you either (a) give me a bunch of votes in the next election, or (b) flag stuff on SR :P

Andy

@Doorknob ZOMBIES!

iStimple

@DoorknobChatbot liar or late. I just want to use all my stars one day, just one day ok/

Jason C

@Cupcake Too much hype, dude.

Doorknob

01:40

There, I just spammed Ctrl+C until it worked

Undo

heh

Braiam

>_<

Jason C

Hey

bjb568

Murder!

Bots are people too!

Undo

gtg, cya

Jason C

01:41

Why does DoorKnobChatBot have a tiny square

It's screwing up the grid vibe.

animuson

I counted. I have 82 bug bites on my body.

iStimple

lets crash doorknobs bot!

Doorknob

I have to go as well

bjb568

@animuson When I was 6, I remember counting 104. Beat that!

Jason C

@bjb568 105

Oh you mean bug bites? Or just counting in general?

Andy

01:42

@animuson Sounds like the weekend was fun, actually. The bites afterward, not so much

bjb568

@JasonC … Bug bites.

user163250

If you guys want a copy of the query, send me an email at [email protected].

Jason C

@Cupcake Just share the god damned link, Christ, lol...

Or don't.

user163250

No, we must keep our anti-cheater tools a secret.

Braiam

finds that is more easier just to check the recently created queries

iStimple

01:44

what? i have fully used my star balance today? can a mod adjust that to lower or something? I think i used way more two days ago

Jason C

Do I have to sign an NDA?

I'd be happy if things just didn't show up in the list until they had two stars, at least in the tavern...

AstroCB

@Cupcake Spam

bjb568

data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/217301/…

^ There it is.

user163250

@bjb568 dude.

AstroCB

@bjb568 Devious

user163250

01:46

Do not share that on Meta.

Braiam

@Cupcake is not like it's secret...

iStimple

@Cupcake he already done do it

Braiam

data.stackexchange.com/users/6219/cupcake <<--- all the queries you have created/edited/favorited/used

Jamal

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/4980904/…

user163250

I was actually going to rename that query too.

iStimple

01:48

are star balances based on UTC or local time?

bjb568

@iStimple Everything is UTC.

iStimple

@bjb568 not chat

bjb568

@iStimple It isn't?

iStimple

@bjb568 look to the far right of the comments, the time is in local time military style

bjb568

@iStimple (24 hour)

It's still UTC on the server.

iStimple

01:52

damn, then I can't star for another 22 hours

AstroCB

8

Q: Provide a setting to hide Meta posts in the Community Bulletin

Please provide an option to hide just Meta posts in the Community Bulletin from me. I still want to see Stack Overflow Blog posts though, because I want to stay up-to-date on new features and stuff. Jeff was right. Meta Is Murder. I've decided that I don't really want to participate in Meta all ...

feature-request status-declined community-bulletin

I'm a little late here, but I just wrote a userscript for that post.

I'm hesitant to put it on the post because I think it would decrease Meta participation.

user163250

@AstroCB send it to meeeeeee!

user163250

[email protected]

AstroCB

@Cupcake But...then you won't leave high-quality questions and answers anymore...

And we only get "Why was my question downvoted?"

bjb568

@Cupcake It doesn't matter. All it ever says is "Timeout expired. The timeout period elapsed prior to completion of the operation or the server is not responding.".

user163250

01:55

@bjb568 what are you talking about?

user163250

The anti-cheat query?

bjb568

Yeah.

user163250

There are ways to speed it up.

bjb568

I tried setting limit = 1, start-day = 2014-08-01

user163250

Hold on...

user163250

01:56

Limit = 40, Start = 2014-06-01, End = 2014-08-12

user163250

There's definitely room to optimize it and focus on certain time windows.

user163250

You can't search for all matches across all time, because it joins a massive table on itself using a large text field.

hichris123

cv-plz-dupe stackoverflow.com/questions/25061845/…

pokes people

user163250

So we have to be creative about limiting the search down to fewer posts.

bjb568

Ah. So optimize it!

hichris123

01:58

@Undo still around?

user163250

fyi, those parameters I just gave will dredge up 40 matches.

iStimple

woops, i just serial upvoted shog meta.stackexchange.com/questions/237978/…

user163250

You can try increasing the limit, but that will cause it to run slower of course (and it already runs slow).

Unihedron

hia @iStimple

user163250

You could also try moving the time window instead.

hichris123

01:59

@iStimple lol, he's going to get a few reversals from that.

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