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Alez

15:10

@ThiefMaster can you unfreez this room pls chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/30213/ajax

Ryan Carlson

15:45

There should be a badge-giver badge, awarded for doing some action that made someone else get a badge. E.g. gave an accepted answer its 40th upvote, gave a question its 2500th view, approved a user's 50th tag wiki edit. feature-request badges

Doorknob of Snow

@RyanCarlson You realize how ridiculously easy that would be to abuse?

Jeroen Vannevel

Leaving a comment to a question together with Jon Skeet and Eric Lippert is what causes the most anxiety I have here on SO.

Ryan Carlson

@DoorknobofSnow I was joking

Doorknob of Snow

stackoverflow.com/…

ThiefMaster

@Alez: still need it? or why did you delete the message pointing to the room?

Doorknob of Snow

15:47

971 results :P

in Code Golf on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 1 min ago, by Rahul Patil

have basic C program question..

in the code golf chatroom... wat?

Undo

animuson♦ 500

:D

Doorknob of Snow

in Code Golf on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 21 secs ago, by Rahul Patil

@DoorknobofSnow thanks.. but why not ?

Ryan Carlson

@Undo It's been that way since a while ago

Doorknob of Snow

FML facepalm

Undo

@RyanCarlson Me just woke up.

Ryan Carlson

15:53

9 hours ago, by animuson

I'm up to 500 today. (:

9 hours ago, by animuson

I'm going to bed. I'll work up to 1,000 tomorrow.

Undo

Yay!

@animuson Good start. We'll gradually work up to 5k/day.

Doorknob of Snow

gotta love round numbers :P

Undo

Is... there someone odd about the 3's and the 8's in that screenshot?

Jan Dvorak

should be 32

80 is ok-ish

Doorknob of Snow

@Undo ?

@JanDvorak fine, base 10 round numbers. :P

Undo

15:56

@DoorknobofSnow They look italicized.

Jan Dvorak

why base-10?

Doorknob of Snow

@Undo not to me... I guess you're used to a different font :P

Undo

feature-request: run the rep system in base-9.

Doorknob of Snow

@Undo no, base-15, just to confuse programmers who think it's hex.

Undo

heh

Doorknob of Snow

15:57

@Undo yep, your font is different than mine

Jan Dvorak

base36

Undo

@DoorknobofSnow Ah, ok.

Vader

I am using sublime tex editor and want to modify a theme. I use pytohn btw
is it okay to ask on SO how to change the color of the doc string without changing the color of the comment?
or should I ask on the ST forums?

Undo

@Vader try SO - it's a question about a programming tool...

Jan Dvorak

@Vader programming tool usage is fine, but check for duplicates first

Undo

15:59

35

Q: Sublime Text 2: How do I change the color that the row number is highlighted?

As the subject says, I want to change to something other than the very light grey. shown here: http://sandbox.thecanarycollective.com/whiteboard/2012-03-21_110512.png I have a hard time seeing that, especially when doing a 'find in files' command.

sublimetext

Doorknob of Snow

nice round numbers on all of my bronze badges actually :D

Undo

yay!

Huh, never knew @DoorknobofSnow was 20k on SO

tchrist

Any SE Team around?

Doorknob of Snow

in Code Golf on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 1 min ago, by Doorknob of Snow

@Rahul Okay, but we're not going to help. This is a Code Golf chatroom. Please stop asking here; go to a chatroom on Stack Overflow.

-_-

tchrist

I see Shog asleepin’.

Undo

16:00

@hichris123 Hey there!

hichris123

Hiya.

Undo

@tchrist Tim Post might be awake.

Doorknob of Snow

@hi chris!

tchrist

@TimPost You awakey?

Vader

@Undo thats not what I am asking, I couldn't find anythign on it on SO or the forums

Doorknob of Snow

16:01

does that work? :P no, it has to be 3 letters to ping I guess

hichris123

Not enough letters to pingy @Doorknob.

Doorknob of Snow

in Code Golf on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 15 secs ago, by Rahul Patil

@DoorknobofSnow Thanks ... :D

wtf

Undo

@Vader Ask a new question then. Just make it clear.

I'm still impressed with SR's activity.

Doorknob of Snow

@Undo me too, especially how fast it got to private beta

Undo

Three days into private beta and we have more questions than Ebooks.

Doorknob of Snow

16:02

lol

Undo

I still can't believe that they managed to suck me into it.

It's a policy nightmare.

hichris123

Heh. I have AI to worry about. :P

Undo

One user already wants to expand to hardware.

Doorknob of Snow

I just want codegolf to get out of beta. :D

tchrist

@TimPost @Shog9 I just left about a dozen flags across the network, including on MSO, SO, SU, Programmers, ELU, Linguistics, F&FS, and I dunno where, about one particular network-wide issue that might be better addressed by the SE team than by each site’s mod team working in isolation. Thanks.

Jan Dvorak

16:04

@tchrist would sending an email via the contact form make sense?

Undo

I'd say so...

Doorknob of Snow

ya, you should probably do that

oh, btw, keyboardfire.com :D

tchrist

Yeah, probably.

Undo

would like light theme better if the flames were less transparent

hichris123

I see animuson isn't quite to his cookie goal...

tchrist

16:06

Meanwhile, site-specific mods in here should be aware that this user has done the same bounty-trick all across the network.

Undo

@hichris123 Yes, he still has nine hours.

hichris123

> This account is temporarily suspended network-wide. The suspension period ends on Mar 10 at 14:23

Undo

Hah, I was trying to figure out how that related to my message :P

tchrist

I know.

hichris123

@Undo No, I wasn't saying animuson has been suspended. :P

Undo

16:07

:D

tchrist

He went around to every site he could, made as many bounties as he could, and then marked his account for deletion, all within the same hour (insofar as I could discern).

Undo

Why?

tchrist

3 each on Math & Physics, 1 on most of the other sites.

I have no idea.

hichris123

I really do want that CM @@ ping...

tchrist

Smells gamey.

Like he’s trying to break something.

hichris123

16:09

Or... (speculation) serial-bountying?

tchrist

Can you place a bounty while suspended?

That would be odd.

Undo

no

tchrist

Ahah!

Undo

you have no rep while suspended.

hichris123

^ that. And can't answer/ask questions.

tchrist

16:09

Well, kinda.

If he placed the bounty before the suspension, perhaps that was its cause.

Although I cannot think why.

If he placed the bounty after suspension, then that seems a bug.

But the combo of DELETE-ME and mega-meta-bounties smells decidedly macabre.

hichris123

How the heck did this work? serverfault.com/revisions/573405/2

Tim Post

@tchrist This is strange, one moment

hichris123

It's just spaces in the body & nothing in the title that I can see.

tchrist

@TimPost Thanks, Tim. I’ll abort the contact form now that you’ve noticed.

ProgramFOX

@hichris123 Also a space in the title.

hichris123

16:13

You're right.

Tim Post

Let me see if I can find anything from them

Vader

@Undo I just do not want to get downvoted because its too off-topic

Undo

@Vader It's not off-topic, methinks.

Although you never know with the SO crowd.

tchrist

@hichris123 Looks like a complete deletion of the body.

hichris123

@tchrist Yeah, if you look though they just used spaces. So really there was nothing in there.

tchrist

16:20

@hichris123 Not very Unicode savvy then. :)

Tim Post

@tchrist I reached out to him via email to make sure he's okay, and just interested in leaving. GOOD CATCH, by the way. Good job.

tchrist

@TimPost Thanks. The combo of all the bounties and then the apparent rage-quit seemed odd.

Tim Post

@tchrist A desire to 'give all your stuff away' out of the blue is a warning sign that should be taken seriously, even if it's just unicorn points and probably nothing.

tchrist

@TimPost There are a lot of kinds of seriality that are not auto-detected, especially when cross-site.

Tim Post

Indeed. Well, it's detected, but the detectors are made out of meat.

2

Undo

16:26

@TimPost Is [software-development] a meta tag on SR?

tchrist

@TimPost Heh. :)

Ryan Carlson

Am I the only person to find it weird that meta.stackoverflow.com/users/-1 and meta.stackoverflow.com/users/1 exist, but meta.stackoverflow.com/users/0 is just a bunch of waffles?

Undo

@RyanCarlson Community is special.

it gets a negative number.

Ryan Carlson

@Undo 0 is more special than -1.

In my opinion

Undo

but... negative numbers!

(and mmmmmmm waffles)

tchrist

16:39

If only Unicode had a superscript/modifier-letter for pi, we could in chat write that 𝑒**𝜋𝒾 − 1 = 0.

Being those the Fab-5 Nice Numbers of Mathematics — which are of course distinct from the Holy Trinity of Nice Numbers of Computer Science.

Mat

ₑiΠ₊₁₌₀

Undo

0

A: Is [software-development] a meta-tag?

I'm of the opinion that it's a perfectly good tag and should be kept. Here's why: In the question What is a meta tag?, Both Robert and Gilles set forth some criteria. Here's Robert Cartaino's: Proper tags describe what the question is about. "Meta tags" are things users add to describe other...

^ Is my reasoning decent?

Tim Post

@Undo It's more of segregation than taxonomy I think, trying to keep development questions scoped apart from software recommendation questions. I tend to think that's not a good idea.

Undo

@TimPost So it's not exactly a meta tag per se?

But it's still not a great tag?

Tim Post

It's just weird. On AVP (which we just split), you had 'audio' and 'video' as tags denoting which was what, and that was a strong symptom that we shouldn't have made those two communities exist on one site.

Undo

16:53

So maybe software development tools needs to be split off? Not seeing it.

Tim Post

I don't see a good reason to only see library recs, but I do see some utility in only searching them.

Undo

yes, I see the same thing.

Tim Post

And it's not symptomatic of a disjointed community

Undo

good

Tim Post

I'd like to see a few more folks answer.

Undo

16:55

Ok

Tim Post

Presumably, we will have language tags on the site, so ... the general 'software development' tag isn't needed, just search by language(s)

(kind of thinking out loud here)

Undo

Yes, I agree with that. I'm not looking forward to having to do [c#] OR [c] OR [php] OR [java] OR ... to search for that one tool I heard about in that one answer but can't remember the name of, though.

Tim Post

0

A: Should the [software-development] tag be removed?

I think the only utility in having it is to be able to scope only library / framework recommendations while searching, or hone one's favorite tags. However, presumably, as time goes on, we'll have tags for whatever languages and frameworks we've talked about, and non-specific noun tags like xml-...

Undo

@TimPost Saw, makes sense.

Tim Post

[c]+[xml-parser] is going to turn up any XML handling libraries written in C that we know about.

Or bobince's user profile

Undo

17:01

heh

true

tchrist

@TimPost grrrrr

Undo

17:20

Are ads on mSO new?

hichris123

@Undo Like what?

Undo

Like the one in the sidebar on the homepage that I just saw and can't get to show back up again.

hichris123

Still not seeing it.

24

Q: Was HAL correct that his continued operation was more important to the mission than the lives of the crew?

In an exchange between astronaut Dave Bowman and the HAL 9000 computer aboard the Discovery in 2001: A Space Odyssey, HAL asserts that he cannot allow Dave Bowman to deactivate him because doing so would jeopardize their mission: Dave Bowman: Open the pod bay doors, HAL. HAL: I'm sorry, ...

artificial-intelligence space-exploration 2001

Heh.

Undo

Yeah, I don't really know what hole SciFi fills :P

Vader

I want to chat with a specific user who answered my question. how can I let him know?

Undo

17:25

@Vader Create a chatroom and post a link to it in the comments.

Vader

okay thanks

Doorknob of Snow

I finished my responsive design! :D

keyboardfire.com

(resize your browser window to see it repond)

next step is to add color :P but now I'm going to take a break

Undo

@DoorknobofSnow Me likey.

hichris123

@Doorknob You should use Bootstrap. :P

Undo

Yes. Bootstrap. Plz?

Less work. More fun.

hichris123

17:31

Exactly.

animuson♦ 516

Doorknob of Snow

@hichris123 @Undo But I'm clueless about bootstrap :P I thought it was for fixed-width designs?

Undo

@DoorknobofSnow No, it's fully responsive.

hichris123

Well he woke up. :P

Undo

yay!

Doorknob of Snow

@animuson, O great mod of the Overflow of the Stack!

:P

Jan Dvorak

17:32

huh...

!Valid XHTML sorry didn't see there i can post source code. — Paulius Balciukynas 2 mins ago

hichris123

@DoorknobofSnow hichris123.erwaysoftware.com is Bootstrap-ly.

animuson

I woke up a couple hours ago, actually.

Doorknob of Snow

@Undo ok, well, I've never used it before and it was pretty easy to write mine with plain CSS anyway :P

animuson

But I had a bad dream and spent most of the morning crying in bed.

Undo

;(

hichris123

17:35

Probably about the flag queue getting out of hand while he was ~~controling~~ taming the CV queue.

Doorknob of Snow

ok, I'm going to make my wobsite moar colorful later :P

btw, here's my planningness for the backend

rewriteengine now redirects keyboardfire.com to www.keyboardfire.com

animuson

Ewwww www prefixes.

Doorknob of Snow

@animuson why not? should I make www.* redirect to * instead?

@animuson ok, now it redirects the other way :P

animuson

17:51

Lol it depends on your setup, really. I prefer not using it; I think it looks stupid. So I designed my system in a way that wouldn't require it.

54

Q: Should I include "www" in my canonical URLs? What are the pros and cons?

What are the pros and cons of having http://www.example.com/ vs http://example.com/? For example a problem I'm aware of is that if I use a domain without www I can't set a cookie for the current subdomain only (since there is no subdomain), and the cookies I set will be sent to all subdomains.

domains url subdomain no-www

Doorknob of Snow

@animuson You know what, I actually think it looks cleaner this way :D I'll leave it like this

animuson

I use animuson.info as my CDN, so I don't have to worry about cookies and such.

Manishearth

18:28

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: INSTRUCTIONAL VIDEO

rene

Why does this get bumped ^^^^^?

3ventic

Community♦ bump

rene

Ah, it is poking old questions

Doorknob of Snow

if (isset($_POST["login"])) {
	echo "Sorry, login is not supported yet.";
} else {
	echo "Sorry, registering is not supported yet.";
}

:P

3ventic

Old questions without accepted answer

@DoorknobofSnow s/echo/die

Then it's good

Doorknob of Snow

18:35

@3ventic doesn't matter really; those are just placeholders :P

animuson

A very nice comment.

3ventic

10k content

Doorknob of Snow

> you can suck my dick...its a valid question and hence so many replies. Why do you have to be a dick about it ? – jAmi 9 hours ago

3ventic

hah

Doorknob of Snow

(after animuson closed it)

> I know its not a coding question but this community is the best resource out there on this subject.

lol

@rene that's what I just said :P

rene

18:40

sorry

Doorknob of Snow

if (isset($_POST["login"])) {
	echo "Sorry, login is not supported yet.";
} else if (isset($_POST["register"]})) {
	echo "Sorry, registering is not supported yet.";
} else {
	echo "That's one messed up post request you've sent me";
}

better? :P

rene

You found my production code?

animuson

Ewwww curly braces.

Doorknob of Snow

@animuson Well how else are you supposed to write blocks...?

animuson

if (isset($_POST["login"])):
	echo "Sorry, login is not supported yet.";
else if (isset($_POST["register"]})):
	echo "Sorry, registering is not supported yet.";
else:
	echo "That's one messed up post request you've sent me";
endif;

rene

18:41

What does this mean? stackoverflow.com/questions/18224036/…

animuson

That's how I always write them.

Doorknob of Snow

@animuson that actually works?

looks too Python-y. :P

animuson

I hate trying to browse code and you see } } } } } } at the end of a freaking function and go "what the hell???"

Doorknob of Snow

@animuson that's what indentation is for

Ummm... what does that mean?! (flagged as not an answer) — Doorknob of Snow 11 secs ago

rene

} /* end if */ } /* outer if } /* inner loop */ } /*outer loop */} /*end*/

Doorknob of Snow

18:43

@anim Could you nuke these non-answers here?

Jan Dvorak

gone

rene

Seems they used it between a couple of users

Doorknob of Snow

@anim Oh, and those comments. :P

rene

yeah

animuson

We're getting so many monthly flags that even the monthly moderator stats page is now starting to load really slow.

hichris123

18:47

Sorry. :P

animuson

I've handled 178 flags today just using the CV queue. Ha

Doorknob of Snow

am I doing it right? :P

hichris123

@DoorknobofSnow NO!!!!!!! PHPMYADMIN IS HORRIBLE!!!

/rant over

Doorknob of Snow

@hichris123 other than that :P

Undo

@DoorknobofSnow NO!!!!!!! PHPMYADMIN IS HORRIBLE!!!

/rant actually over

Doorknob of Snow

18:57

sets spell of unrantability over chatroom

@hichris @Undo Now what? :P

hichris123

@Doorknob Where are you hosting your MySQL database?

Doorknob of Snow

@hichris123 what do you mean?

hichris123

Are you hosting it on a server or what?

Doorknob of Snow

@hichris123 Yes, on keyboardfire.com

hichris123

@DoorknobofSnow So... Apache + MySQL?

Doorknob of Snow

18:59

@hichris123 not Apache... or at least I don't think so

hichris123

I'm so used to my AWS with EC2 and RDS setup. :P

Undo

Yay for root access!

Doorknob of Snow

I have to leave, bye everyone

hichris123

@Undo I love Sublime so much. Thank you!!!!!

Undo

@hichris123 Hehe, you're welcome.

animuson

19:01

uses phpMyAdmin

Undo

@animuson looks for a hole in the server-side validation that gives him unlimited unratelimited flags

hichris123

@Undo Tell me if you find it.

Undo

@hichris123 Heh, only after I know I'm not getting an SR diamond :P

hichris123

So... I've lowered my bounty requirements... 370 anyone? :P

@Undo Don't worry... I wouldn't ever flag that many. It's too annoying. :P

animuson

-4

Q: ASPx page scrolling itself

Please answer this post The aspx page is automatic scrolling upward

asp.net ajax c#-4.0 updatepanel

Undo

19:11

> A: Your computer is possessed. Possible your server too.

[feature-request]: change the downvote help text:

tchrist

@animuson That’s actually a code-smell.

No wonder you hate it.

Cyclomatic complexity

Cyclomatic complexity (or conditional complexity) is a software metric (measurement). It was developed by Thomas J. McCabe, Sr. in 1976 and is used to indicate the complexity of a program. It is a quantitative measure of logical strength of the program. It directly measures the number of linearly independent paths through a program's source code. The concept, although not the method, is somewhat similar to that of general text complexity measured by the Flesch-Kincaid Readability Test. Cyclomatic complexity is computed using the control flow graph of the program: the nodes of the graph cor...

Not having curlies doesn’t spare you from the problem of code that is overly branching, overly indented, insufficiently abstracted, or some combination of the above.

Jeroen Vannevel

19:34

stackoverflow.com/questions/21650797/how-do-i-write-a-program

Don't write posts when you're drunk, kids.

Undo

Awww, deleted.

Screenshot for the mortals?

Jeroen Vannevel

Undo

Wierd.

rene

Does anybody know if the schema used in SEDE is equal to the schema used in the production databases?

animuson

@hichris123 750

Undo

19:44

3/4 the way there!

Doorknob of Snow

You can have 3/4 of a cookie if you stop now

Undo

@hichris123 You're going to have to start thinking about the logistics of getting a cookie to animuson.

Doorknob of Snow

if ($mysqli->connect_errno) {
	die "A generic error occured";
}

:P

Undo

heh

@DoorknobofSnow Uhm... Y U NO USE PDO??!!??

Doorknob of Snow

@Undo What's the difference?

Undo

19:47

@DoorknobofSnow PDO iz better. Makez it harder for me to inject evil things into your site.

3ventic

Why is PDO better?

Doorknob of Snow

@Undo in what way?

rene

die PDO

Undo

@DoorknobofSnow PDO sends the parameters separate from the request, so injections are pretty much impossible.

3ventic

MySQLi can do that too

Doorknob of Snow

19:48

@Undo Doesn't mysqli do that as well?

Undo

I don't think so.

Maybe.

PDO sounds cooler.

rene

it sends the parameters by USPS

Doorknob of Snow

well, I'm using mysqli :P

3ventic

I use prepared statements with mysqli

animuson

Nuh uh, MySQLi is way cooler. If you flip it to iLQSym, it sounds like "I licks him"

4

Doorknob of Snow

19:49

lol

3ventic

I can't vote to undelete a question because some of the people who voted to delete it later became moderators ._.

animuson

Look at that huge drop earlier: hichris.erwaysoftware.com/closegraph.php

The system is trying to review more close votes than me. ):

Doorknob of Snow

@animuson Woah. :O

that basically killed 3 days' worth of CV queue items

animuson

A whole lot of old, abandoned questions got deleted this week. :P

Vader

20:05

if I ping someone who is not in the room will they get notified?

Doorknob of Snow

...I just got "A generic error occurred" and now I'm mad at myself for being so unspecific :P

OGHaza

@Vader Think I heard it was something like, as long as the user has been in the room in the past 2ish weeks. That could be bullshit though..

Vader

ohk thanks

Laszlo Papp

20:21

@animuson: wow, 791 close vote review today....

Jeroen Vannevel

Fuck me. I've put an infinite loop around my socket receiving callback function. It entirely clogged up my computer, not even a hard reset could reach its destination. It only worked after I pulled out the network cable

Oh I see. I put the socket creating in a loop. Well that's not very smart

rene

21:15

The CV queue will be empty by the time @hichris123 gets his CV privilege...

hichris123

@rene Hey! :P

@Undo Mm... I don't know... :P

Mmm... I gained repz while I was gone. :P

animuson

Oh we can't have that... goes to downvote things

rene

heheheh

hichris123

Yeah... I'm going to laugh when I review something before you @animuson. And then you go crazy. :P What do you filter on?

animuson

Depends on my mood that day.

I never include duplicates in my filter though.

rene

21:18

By the looks of it anything he can get his hands on

hichris123

828...

I think he's going to make it.

2665 repz right now...

ajax333221

user3238555

8 5

javascript jquery div countdown css div-layouts redirect

this guy haz asked the same question trice

guidance pls give him

rene

I've just ran out of close votes

hichris123

@rene You broke it. :P No more close votes for you, ever.

ajax333221

how do mods contact people that need to be contacted? via email?

rene

21:31

You should edit/improve your first question. At the moment you have 2 other open question that are basically the same. Stop posting new questions with the same problem, please. — rene 19 secs ago

ajax333221

or with comments like that one

rene

@ajax333221 No they can ping them, leave comments like I did or close it

I assume a mod will respond to it

I've flagged one for moderator attention with a close a dup request

The newest question is one vote away of being closed

hichris123

@rene I have a challenge that I'm putting to myself: get to 3k by the end of next week. :P (cc @Undo)

ajax333221

worsts of lucks... to your rivals ;)

rene

I'm doing my utmost. If you only had some decent answers... :-) @hichris123

hichris123

21:39

I think @Flyk wants to do that. :P

@rene SERIAL DOWNVOTE ME THEN. :P

rene

I will, I will :-)

hichris123

I have a tag score of 20 in mysql? Wow.

rene

14 for me

maybe I got that by mis-tagged questions?

hichris123

> Undo is a command in many computer programs. It erases the last change done to the document reverting it to an older state. In some more advanced programs such as graphic processing, undo will negate the last command done to the file being edited.

@Undo ^

animuson

I have 2 hours to do another 100 reviews. :P

hichris123

21:52

@animuson How do you want that cookie?

rene

Are you capped at 1000?

animuson

No

hichris123

18 hours ago, by hichris123

@animuson If you do 1000 close reviews today (UTC time)... I'll give you a cookie.

rene

So we have to buy cookies for all mods to do some close vote queue handling?

I came up yesterday with the idea to send out beer to all participants in the SO Close vote review meetup

Turns out that sending alcohol across states might be illegal...

animuson

I'd rather have swag.

rene

21:58

I didn't check across countries

animuson

You'd also have to collect identification from all users to verify their age.

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