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hichris123

12:00 AM

hichris123

2.5k 4 8 23

Yay!

Undo

yay!

hichris123

My rep graph just shoots way up. :P stackexchange.com/users/3046327/hichris123?tab=reputation

animuson

My rep graph makes other sites look sad and pathetic.

hichris123

@animuson Yep, pretty much. :P

Linky for anyone who wants to see it.

Undo

haha

hichris123

12:14 AM

@Undo Your nomination is now at +8.

Undo

Wha? How...

hichris123

Not my socks, I promise.

Undo

hehe

Vader

hi

My first time on meta

Undo

hi

welcome ;)

hichris123

12:18 AM

@Vader Hello Darth Vader. We accept your kind here. :P

Vader

Thanks buts it Darth Vader

:P

Undo

haha

hichris123

Ug, my brain stopped working for a second there. :P

Vader

how come I only see 6 of the peoples avatars in this room?

Undo

@Vader As in the rest of them don't show up?

Vader

12:19 AM

Yeah thet rest of them do not show up

Undo

Odd...

hichris123

Refresh the page maybe?

animuson

You probably have Gravatar blocked.

Undo

Have you tried reloading?

@animuson Ah, it's probably this.

Vader

@animuson ah yes

Thanks @animuson

I couldn't find a question like mine that had this answer on meta

Ghostery (chrome addon) was blocking it

animuson

12:29 AM

HTC went and made my music player even more convenient to use. <3

Hahahaha it re-enabled Twitter in my phone book for some reason and when I opened it up the first thing I see is Andrew Barber's unicorn.

Undo

ha!

jmac

@animuson That sounds like an absolutely awful euphemism.

Jan Dvorak

EEEK

3

Q: La fonction $f$ admet-elle une fonction réciproque?

Bonsoir j'ai un petit problème avec un exercice. On considère la function f:[-1,1] -> [-1/2,1/2] définie par f(x) = x/(1+x²). Je dois montrer que f admet une fonction réciproque et définir cette fonction. Merci pour votre aide. "Hello, I have a little problem with an exercise. Consider the fun...

functions

Undo

EEEEEK!

Jan Dvorak

What's worst is that it's +6/-3

and the answers are french + english as well

should we support that?

animuson

12:43 AM

No, anything that's not English should be removed.

Vader

you could just translate it in google

Jan Dvorak

so, edit out the french half?

animuson

Yeap. It's an English site, not a French site.

Jan Dvorak

I don't have editing rights, though, and the reviewers might not be too happy.

jmac

Just translate everything with a good edit comment explaining that it's an English site, and has been translated from french.

Jan Dvorak

12:45 AM

already french/english

jmac

You could even include a nice <sup></sup> that has a link to the revision in the original language, in French.

animuson

All the posts have a French and English version. The French versions simply need removed.

Jan Dvorak

anyone here with edit privileges on math.se?

Undo

I can... uh... edit CW posts!

Jan Dvorak

the last two revisions were done by an 83k and by a 144k, improving the french version.

animuson

12:49 AM

Which is utterly sad itself.

GnomeSlice

jumpshare.com/v/Cx67KFfrdzRWZD145YDp

How does this look guys?

jmac

They are mathematicians! They have no use for our imprecise and unwieldy 'languages'. The symbols speak for themselves!

Jan Dvorak

I've sent there three suggested edits... let's see how they turn out.

can you get a link to your suggestion before it gets reviewed?

hichris123

@JanDvorak They all just got rejected... :(

Jan Dvorak

@JanDvorak This is not an English-only site; adding a translation is fine and good, but please do not remove the original question text. — T. Bongers 2 mins ago

should @animuson rush in to their meta?

hichris123

12:59 AM

@GnomeSlice Cool, did you make that?

GnomeSlice

@hichris123 Yeah.

Still needs audio

animuson

That's an idiotic policy. But even so, I'm pretty sure Stack Exchange's policy is that the title would have to always be in English, no matter what.

hichris123

@GnomeSlice I had audio off, so didn't even notice. :P I like it.

@animuson You should make another You're doing it wrong post. ;)

Jan Dvorak

should I suggest a new edit that only changes the title?

animuson

Meh, ping a CM and ask them if you really care.

I don't particularly.

Jan Dvorak

1:04 AM

After I've been outvoted there more than twice on "obviously crappy" questions, of which one got raised to the heavens and even bountied, and the other didn't have the time to... I officially give up moderating the quality of posts on Mathematics. If it's not outright advertising or astroturfing, it's probably fine.

Even career/education advice is welcome on that site.

jmac

@JanDvorak That meta post is absolutely ridiculous overthinking:

A messy part of this issue is the question of what constitutes English. Besides the existence of various versions of English (American, British, Australian, etc), there is the fact that many words have been taken into English while retaining their foreign spelling and pronunciation. (If you were to say that the stack exchange websites are part of the Zeitgeist ushered in by the internet, I would say “Touché!”) So, in an “English-only” environment would you be (implicitly/unintentionally) forbidden to use those words? - and even if not, would some self-censorship be taking place anyway? — Mike Jones Aug 30 '11 at 3:31

Jan Dvorak

facepalm

hichris123

status-facepalm

^ That looks better. :P

Jan Dvorak

I'd say status-headdesk, but I'm using a coffee table.

jmac

> someone posts an answer in a foreign language (like French) that a large percentage of professional mathematicians can read but for which a much smaller percentage of anglophone students can read. Posting such an answer could actually make it less likely that the OP will receive an answer s/he can read and understand.

michaelb958

1:08 AM

status-headcoffeetable

jmac

Really? a large portion of mathematicians can read French? You learn something new every day!

Jan Dvorak

s/mathematicians/math.se community/

Math.se should be renamed to fr-en.math.se

jmac

Rationality!

@Rahul: by the way, being a professional mathematician does not confer reading knowledge of French as a magical power. It is certainly not the case that all math PhDs can read math in French. It depends a lot on (i) their age, (ii) their subject area [e.g. algebraic geometry is highly correlated with reading French, graph theory not so much] and (iii) their enthusiasm about learning a foreign language (as well as (iv) the language requirements of their PhD program, but these are increasingly vestigial). — Pete L. Clark Feb 8 '11 at 21:16

Jan Dvorak

I can read some french

animuson

If I ever legitimately learn another language, it will be Japanese.

Jan Dvorak

1:11 AM

@animuson not Lojban?

animuson

I don't know what that is.

I ate this entire pizza but I'm still hungry...

Jan Dvorak

Lojban

Lojban (pronounced ) is a constructed, syntactically unambiguous human language based on predicate logic, succeeding the project of Loglan. The name "Lojban" is a compound formed from loj and ban, which are short forms of logji (logic) and bangu (language), respectively. Development of the language began in 1987 by The Logical Language Group (LLG), who intended to realize Loglan's purposes as well as further complement the language by making it more usable, and freely available (as indicated by its official full English name "Lojban: a realization of Loglan"). After a long initial period ...

jmac

I remember from my old French elementary school the phrase, "Ooh la la!" dites Beatrice, "comme c'est complique!"

Jan Dvorak

@jmac Qui est Beatrice?

jmac

@animuson Highly recommend Malay/Javanese, Brazilian, or Arabic actually. All will likely be far more useful in the future due to population demographics.

It was from a textbook with Baxter and Beatrice. They were learning French or somesuch. And they were always having trouble with stuff.

animuson

1:13 AM

I learn things because they're interesting to me, not because they'll be valuable in the future.

Jan Dvorak

if demographics is a concern, I suggest Vietnamese.

jmac

Arabic and Portuguese are both far more populous than Vietnamese-speaking countries.

Vietnam is awesome though.

Malay/Javanese gets you all of Malaysia and Indonesia, and parts of Borneo. It's a lot of people.

Jan Dvorak

We have a lot of vietnamese in Czech Republic

jmac

I refer you to wikipedia:

Jan Dvorak

then chinese, nah?

jmac

1:18 AM

Arabic: 350m, Portuguese: 217m, Indonesian: 160m, Vietnamese: 68m

Chinese demographics are headed in the wrong direction and are only used in China -- this greatly limits the use of the language much like Japanese.

The number of speakers of Chinese is also massive, especially counting those who are bilingual, meaning that you are going to have a lot of competition when marketing your skills compared to a less popular language like Malay/Indonesian, or Arabic.

Jan Dvorak

but you can w@tch 0nline fr33 manga and anime if you learn japanese

jmac

Portuguese may be a bit more difficult since there are speakers in Europe (and they are generally very multi-lingual meaning you'll have competition), but for Asian languages, you'll have a lot less trouble with Malay/Indonesian than you will with Chinese or Japanese!

As a Japanese speaker, I wish I had studied a different language.

Jan Dvorak

s/Japanese speaker/Java coder/

7

TCPMAN.EXE

lol

jmac

I'll trade my Japanese for your Java in a heartbeat. I'll even toss in life in Japan if you let me take your Czech beer!

hichris123

1:25 AM

I'll trade anything for your rep, even my rep!

Jan Dvorak

@jmac come here, it's just $1

jmac

@JanDvorak I plan to. Maybe at the end of this year.

I have US in April/May, Bali in August, so I have to plan something for December/January.

Jan Dvorak

The weather is getting better just now

jmac

(and $1 beer sounds like paradise, or a horrible idea.)

Jan Dvorak

no more snow since today or so

jmac

1:30 AM

With $1 beer, what does the weather matter? Don't like the weather? Have another round!

hichris123

@jmac Where in the US?

jmac

New England.

Jan Dvorak

@jmac Czech beer is great! But you have to pick the pub well. Anything above $1.5 is expensive. Basically anything in the center of Prague is overpriced.

jmac

I love Czech beer. Nice crisp pilsners, and really strong ales.

Jan Dvorak

Have you tried Svijany?

jmac

1:33 AM

And really, $1.5 for a beer? Not expensive. In Japan they'll run you $7 or $8, so $1.5 is like free beer.

Jan Dvorak

Also, slovaks have some pretty good beer AFAIR

jmac

I don't think I've had Svijany. I am more than happy to try every beer I find when I visit.

Jan Dvorak

@jmac depends on the place. Some restaurants just love to set the price way too high.

and hotels

I think I've seen a $7 or so price tag at one hotel on Wenceslas' square for a small beer (0.3L). That's way overpriced.

animuson

I really need to go learn to skate sometime.

Jan Dvorak

ice-skate, or roller-skate?

animuson

1:40 AM

Ice skating.

Jan Dvorak

I've tried once, but I didn't find the right size of skates.

animuson

The only problem I have is I never learned how to stop.

Jan Dvorak

@animuson easy; any wall or a patch of grass will do. Better wear gloves.

animuson

Haha well if I want to become a hockey referee I can't go slamming into walls all the time.

Jan Dvorak

hmm... true

but, as a player, you can use the players of the opposing team.

jmac

1:45 AM

@animuson Ice hockey skates have the brakes on them (the jagged parts on the front and back of the blade), and you can always stop by turning sideways with a little hop.

animuson

I'm aware of what you're supposed to do, but stopping still requires some balancing that I just couldn't get down.

aka I always fell over instead.

jmac

You could design a pair of super-skates equipped with crampons and retractable skate blades for ultimate stopping performance

animuson

Let me just attach some rockets to the back too

Jan Dvorak

@jmac James Bond style??

animuson

The Google logo is very colorful...

Laszlo Papp

2:05 AM

@Bart: your favourite, stackoverflow.com/questions/21617508/…

hichris123

@animuson ^ is it okay to flag VLQ on answers like that?

Braiam

2:28 AM

hichris123

@Braiam Um... what? :P

animuson

> Try to write it in jQuery.

Rep please!

hichris123

@animuson I'd "upvote" if I knew what I was voting on.

Doorknob of Snow

noooooooooo I must have accidentally reviewed a suggested edit at one point and now I have 1338 reviews :(

it was so... perfect :P

hichris123

3:31 AM

2525 rep now. :P

Undo

8

Q: Allow spectators to see vote tallies in primaries

Currently, it appears that you can't see the vote totals on nominees during the primaries if you don't have enough reputation to vote: presumably, that's because the voting widget is disabled. It would be great to be able to see how the election is doing as a spectator. In case it isn't clear, ...

feature-request election

there's 50 meta repz hanging in the air there for whoever can provide a decent answer...

hichris123

3:51 AM

@Undo On tablet. :P

jmac

5:57 AM

@Shog9 As requested, your meta questions has arrived. Remember to keep it clean, and no hits below the belt.

animuson

6:50 AM

I just noticed that the KitKat update today removed all those stupid emoticons in text messages. I LOVE YOU HTC!

jmac

7:07 AM

@animuson when do you sleep exactly? You're always up in the middle of the night. Is it because of work? You just really like owls? You are a vampire?

Tim Post

7:26 AM

He does sleep, one eye open - like birds.

animuson

@TimPost Actially, my parents told me I do sleep with my eyes open. I didn't believe them, but I'm not that curious to like record myself sleeping.

That may be why I never got caught sleeping in high school.

Tim Post

I never got caught sleeping in high school because I attended very infrequently :)

animuson

7:47 AM

utterly confused

jmac

The hot tropical climate has gotten to @Tim, batten down the hatches!

animuson

Hmmm glass of milk or glass of lemonade? Decisions...

Tim Post

8:02 AM

milkade

Flyk

morning

michaelb958

Evening.

animuson

What do you say for 2am?

michaelb958

@animuson That's morning.

animuson

Man that's some strong lemonade.

Flyk

8:13 AM

@animuson well 2am is a bit of a special one. 5am is morning regardless of if you're awake from lastnight or just woken up, but 2am you could probably get away with saying night/evening

rene

8:59 AM

morning

Bart

You can't force that on me. I ain't no part of your system.

And besides, the weather is so terrible that it's almost evening over here and I'm in a dark office with a single light.

rene

yesterday, by rene

Resistance is futile

Bart

Haha

Well played

Anyhow, goedemorgen

Flyk

@Bart I'm not convinced that the weather is directly linked to the time of day

rene

Tnx @Bart

Is it gutenmorgen for you?

Bart

9:07 AM

Locally it's bonjour for me @rene. But for me personally it's goedemorgen. Although, given that I almost exclusively speak English over here, good morning will do.

All I know is that when it's dark, I sleep @Flyk

rene

Ah, you're on the French side of Suisse

Bart

Yep, Geneva

Flyk

@Bart do you sleep significantly more during winter?

Bart

I've been known to hibernate.

Flyk

9:40 AM

hibernating is the best

I had a solid 12 hours of sleep lastnight

woke up 5 minutes before my alarm went off

SPArchaeologist

only me gradually turning in a vampire here? what is the reason behind this bad habit of ... sleeping?

Flyk

@SPArchaeologist oh, I'm totally a creature of the night

but my new job requires that I wake up at 6am ish

to add more pain to the equation

merely being off work for the weekend causes my sleep pattern to invert

and if I have a week off, I switch completely to Austrailian time

Flyk

10:34 AM

MOAR CAFFEINE

Insert controversial and attention grabbing title here.

SPArchaeologist

....nice. Somehow got 85 rep yesterday on SharePoint.... and that still seem like a victory. Not even half the day cap.

Flyk

does that site not hand out many upvotes then?

SPArchaeologist

we have 24 good answer badges on the whole site. 0 great answer ones and 21 Mortarboard

no legendary. no epic even

Flyk

only 24?

SPArchaeologist

only 24

Bart

10:42 AM

For a site called SharePoint, that's a low number of shared points

SPArchaeologist

with 3k rep I am on the second page of the all user view

that should say.

sharepoint.stackexchange.com/…

see? fourth row

I suppose I should switch to Anime and try for the "One Piece" guru badge.

Flyk

that's pretty... broken

I've noticed that sites around here tend to have lots of voting at the start and then they drop off quite quickly

like people get bored of voting or something

SPArchaeologist

nine <10k rep user. One of them is already a mod.

Jan Dvorak

flag-pls superuser.com/questions/713598/…

SPArchaeologist

At leas, we don't get much to review either, so I suppose that those 8 demi-mod and the actual mods are more than enough to mange the site

Bart

10:49 AM

Oh come on @JanDvorak. You don't like Dr. David?

Nothing says GMail tech support like a man in a white coat with a stethoscope

Flyk

@JanDvorak interesting that this wasn't detected by the smoke detector

@Manishearth did you turn the smoke detector off?

Jan Dvorak

@Flyk smoke detector is probably off

rene

Flagged @JanDvorak

Flyk

I flagged @JanDvorak as well, I don't think he deserves it though.

he was only reporting spam

Jan Dvorak

@Flyk wait, why?

Bart

10:54 AM

:D

Flyk

@JanDvorak lol, it was a joke, don't worry :P

I did once flag somebody who said "flag please"

it got approved...

SPArchaeologist

every day that passes, this board resemble the "Ridiculous Fishing" Birdyr a little more.

should I change my username to "@RodAndGunsMan"?

:P

Flyk

Hmmm... if I get 89 people to view this, I get another famous question badge ;)

rene

@Flyk now 88?

Flyk

85 actually

noooo

(removed)

Tim Post

11:06 AM

@Flyk That's so peculiar. The question is viewed so heavily, the answer and question obviously helpful to people but no score at all. Sure, that's partly due to many of those views being anonymous, it's just peculiar is all.

Bart

Flag pls meta.stackoverflow.com/a/219939/161198

rene

On so as well: stackoverflow.com/a/21625565/578411

Jan Dvorak

~~also, pls flag all other posts of this user~~ nothing else to flag

rene

The thing has five accounts

Jan Dvorak

but only two answers

rene

11:12 AM

yep

Jan Dvorak

for now

Flyk

@TimPost the same goes for most of my content

Jan Dvorak

I'll keep an eye on his accounts

Flyk

@TimPost I have more extreme examples I think

Like this or maybe this one...

that second one has nearly 60k reviews

Tim Post

Mmmmmm, nothing like the smell of coffee along with freshly roasted Nigerian spammers.

Flyk

11:14 AM

I wish I could smell anything at the moment

I'm so flu'd up

rene

The accounts are created way back (30 days and 54 days old)

Tim Post

Yep. 'sleepers'

rene

Ah, you have a name for those

Tim Post

They're becoming exceedingly rare, but yes. Generally they show up in batches of 3 - 5 and are controlled by an actual human that is being paid to plant spam.

Manishearth

@Flyk It wasn't off (it reports to Charcoal when it dies), but it stopped recieving websocket connections. Periodic refreshing of connections is planned

Flyk

11:16 AM

@Manishearth ah ok

Manishearth

on now

Jan Dvorak

@Manishearth what's the ETA? It shouldn't be too hard

Manishearth

@JanDvorak none, I'm swamped for the next two weeks

Flyk

Is there any way to check whether it would have matched that post linked in Charcoal?

Jan Dvorak

should I do that?

Manishearth

11:18 AM

@JanDvorak sure

rene

@TimPost you only nuke accounts that don't play by the rules?

Flyk

@rene why would you nuke an account that does play by the rules?

SPArchaeologist

@Flyk that's easy: no one wants to upvote a question about Mist of Kung-Fu Panda ? coff coff coff. :P

Tim Post

@rene We don't nuke accounts unless (1) we see them contribute spam or (2) we see spam they tried to contribute blocked by the filters.

rene

You don't nuke accounts as precaution?

Jan Dvorak

11:24 AM

@rene would you?

rene

Yes, I would.

Flyk

@SPArchaeologist did you see some of the numbers on these questions?

my WoW questions generated 750k views for Arqade

like this one (475k views) and this one (190k views)

not huge by SO numbers, but 475k views puts it in the top 10 questions by views on the site

top 5, actually!

SPArchaeologist

@Flyk and that is what I said. Considered the scandal it caused, no one want to make it know that they upvoted World of Pandas, but in the end everyone is playing it. Just like with pokemon.... they say it is for kids but they keep playing. ^_^

Flyk

lol pokemon

but yeah, you're right, I quit WoW like three weeks after pandas came out

my understanding is they've been shedding numbers ever since

I quit WoW before it was cool </hipster>

SPArchaeologist

Try with a more "macho" title like NetHack, VJoe and such... and you will receive votes from everyone , even people that never played it

They want to say "I voted! I have finished Joe on ultra V rated with Alastor"

Flyk

11:30 AM

@SPArchaeologist How can I tell a corpse is safe to eat?

SPArchaeologist

@Flyk Exactly.

Flyk

I fail at the Arqade meta-game

(question titles that are hilarious out of context)

I did ask "How can I cook meth?" though

SPArchaeologist

Try "I have given some rotten meat to my vegetarian girlfriend and now she is mad" for Pandora Towers....

Flyk

that's not a question

SPArchaeologist

Add "How can I remedy? " at the end

Flyk

11:37 AM

then it wraps onto multiple lines

which is bad

fails my requirements for a good title

SPArchaeologist

bonus point if someone replies "Kill a guard outside and bring her the loot"

Ok. Then what about "Where can I find more grass to woe Muffy" for Harvest Moon?

that one joking on the fact that a bug caused a character to like the grass you grow in your fields as a gift.

Bart

12:52 PM

@stackoverloop Please stop trolling

Writing your posts in semi-Dutch or Italian, when you know full well the site is English (which I'm pretty sure you can handle just fine) is not appropriate.

SPArchaeologist

1:05 PM

? did I miss something?

Bart

Just some nonsense on meta @SPArchaeologist. Given that I saw him here, I thought it'd be better to ping it here rather than muddy Meta even further

SPArchaeologist

ooooook. But rest assured, that stuff is not Italian.

Bart

That comment is gone by now. Although my Italian is not good enough to distinguish it from Google Translate Italian

SPArchaeologist

yep, found your comment about it.

Spring is coming. SharePoint bears & users are coming out of their caves and start voting.

Trad: I have had more rep the last two days than in the last three months.

Bart

I'm just horrified by that distinction between bears and users there. As if bears can't be users. This bear-segregation has to stop.

SPArchaeologist

1:15 PM

In a SharePoint context (SPContext to be more precise O_o) the term "Bears" seems more appropriate for IT staff members. Aka the guys that keep sleeping and forget to apply CU

Stijn

1:31 PM

@Bart are you able to see if this is stackoverloop again?

Bart

I wouldn't be surprised

At least the question is not problematic. Might be a coincidence

rene

from his profile I try to win the dislike of others.

Bart

Yeah, and given that his username is along the same lines as stackoverloop ...

rene

This is something for Tim Post to see the IP-addresses used

Bart

Unless he's one of those highly sophisticated Tor users cough

2

rene

1:36 PM

Yeah in that case we are doomed...

Bart

no i no speak dutch i speak italian. ah yes but forse it not translate gud dis is way i ask you ;) — Stacco Oltre il Flow baby 39 secs ago

hmm

Jeroen Vannevel

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