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Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

2:35 AM

This just in: trying to badge-run for the Sportsmanship badge only to find that you have only 92 competing answers.

Journeyman Geek

2:54 AM

"badge-run" "sportsmanship"

Letter, not spirt of the badge ;p

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

I guess people don't like competing with me...

Shog9

FGITWing is a pretty good way to get Sportsmanship.

Journeyman Geek

hmm

Shog9

of course, you do have to actually come back and upvote the less-crappy answers that others spent time writing

Journeyman Geek

Post crappy answers, wait for someone to post a better answer, upvote...

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

2:56 AM

People don't like running races with me because I'm Sonic, and I always outrun them.

Journeyman Geek

oh wait

@YvetteColomb I wanted to skip mine. Parentals insisted cause my brother missed his cause reasons :(

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

My mom might miss my sister's middle school promotion because of an interview. No problem, she attended mine, and we went to the same middle school.

Journeyman Geek

My brother didn't have one. ;p

And I erm

Catija

Didn't graduate from middle school?

Journeyman Geek

actually am not that hot about the obsession with acedemics - its useful as a way to go "ok, this guy is smart enough to get a degree" but I learnt more from doing that schooling ;)

hah

TL :p

Shog9

3:20 AM

hey, @Sonic - closing stuff like this is a waste of time. I specifically took the time to answer it after it got deleted again recently so that we had a record of it; if I'd wanted it deleted, I would've just deleted it.

There's a ton of history on MSE that is... Technically Stack Overflow (or Server Fault or Super User) history, but in a broader sense is network history - there's no good reason to shuffle it around and break all the cross-linking that currently exists.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

3:38 AM

@Shog9 I wonder why you specifically pinged me and not the other four users who also voted to close.

Shog9

You were the first in the list

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shog9 Well, four other users were involved too; if they weren't, it wouldn't have been closed.

Catija

And the other four aren't ever in here?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Catija Mods can super-ping.

Shog9

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Q: I'm changing the "not generally applicable" close reason here on Meta SE

This is a small administrative note. For the past 3 years and 11 months, we've had an off-topic reason defined here for use on questions that are only relevant to a specific site: This question pertains only to a specific site in the Stack Exchange Network. Questions on Meta Stack Exchange s...

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

3:40 AM

@Shog9 That question's topic is only applicable to SO

I stand by my close vote.

Shog9

See, this is why I pinged you

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shog9 Why? Because I'm one to take a stand on it?

Shog9

Because, even after we previously discussed this, you still went out of your way to make more work for me

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Not my fault others decided to close vote as well.

Shog9

It's your fault that you voted to close

This isn't a firing squad thing where nobody kills the target because who can say which gun was loaded.

Journeyman Geek

3:45 AM

lol

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shog9 Don't forget that it's also those other users' faults that they voted to close.

Shog9

which means nothing to you

you voted. AFTER I went out of my way to handle flags on the previous, out-of-date answers, clean up comments, write a contemporary answer explaining the recent deletion... You voted.

Journeyman Geek

Well, that vaguely depends on whether you encouraged people to do that ...

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek No, I didn't.

@Shog9 I only saw it because it was bumped

Journeyman Geek

I mean there's a good reason I don't like to close stuff on meta that isn't super OT

Shog9

3:49 AM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog which in no way compels you to close it

it's, what... 7 years old?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shog9 The close reason applied. Of course I'm compelled to close vote.

Shog9

And just updated to answer recent questions about a recent event?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

9 mins ago, by Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shog9 That question's topic is only applicable to SO

Shog9

Strictly-speaking, the question is only applicable to one specific question that now can't even be found.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shog9 One specific question on one specific site.

Shog9

3:51 AM

I'm waiting for you to explain why this required you to waste my time

of which I have precious little to spare

I didn't have to update the answer there. I could've just deleted it. That would've made you happy and saved me time, right?

But I presumed that some folks would still want to know what happened to one of the most popular questions ever asked on any site anywhere on the network

So I took the time.

Is my rationale clear to you?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shog9 It was nice that you updated it, but the fact is that it's off-topic. Closure doesn't necessarily mean it should be deleted.

@Shog9 Yes.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog its a bit like how we have a omnibus question on SU for past april fool day pranks

Meta's also about the history of the site ._.

Shog9

Ok. So, closing 7-year-old meta questions is already pretty borderline, but there are cases where that's useful: woefully out of date, misleading, pure noise...

But if someone's just taken the time to clean something up, and clearly has a specific purpose for it... That's a particularly bad time to go blindly enforcing rules.

Don't let pedanticism override practicality

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Now you seem to have gone out of your way and reopened a similar question that got closed in 2012.

Shog9

guess why

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

3:58 AM

You didn't do any other cleanups there...

Shog9

it was crosslinked and a few votes away from being deleted

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shog9 Why not also clear the votes by deleting and undeleting?

Shog9

why?

reopen clears delete votes instantly

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shog9 Evidence?

It's not mentioned in the FAQ.

Shog9

I can see the votes and when they were deleted? I'm sure I've documented that somewhere. Search for "age delete votes user:811"

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

4:03 AM

@Shog9 Didn't find it. Closest I found was meta.stackexchange.com/questions/166329/…

Catija

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A: Should we allow a mere 5 reopen votes to nullify any number of delete votes?

Bullet the blue sky First, some data: There are just over 3K questions that require more than the usual 3 votes to be deleted There are just under 1.5K questions that require at least 5 votes to be deleted There are 170+ questions that need at least 20 votes to be deleted There are 36K questio...

Shog9

good, thanks

Catija

Ask a question search wins again.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog FAQ is built around reality, not the other way around ;)

Somewhat Memorable Name

4:34 AM

Hence frequently asked questions. Not once-in-a-while asked questions...

Also, morning...

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

4:58 AM

@JourneymanGeek I was editing your most recent answer for grammar, but I have no idea what your second paragraph means: meta.stackexchange.com/a/311150/377214

@SomewhatMemorableName Well, the SE definition of "FAQ" is the "what, how, and when" of how the network works. They are intended to be definitive sources on their topics.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog excellent

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Why is that?

Journeyman Geek

Bits of it are intentionally nonsensical and for illustration purposes only

but the general idea is "don't post the exact same answer twice"

If you want to know what a frobulator is...

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek I was scratching my head with that paragraph and almost didn't bother reading the rest of the answer

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w

Its a reference to this

(spoiler - its mostly nonsense)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

5:12 AM

That's not what I'm referring to. The way your paragraph is structured, I can't grasp the meaning of it.

Journeyman Geek

hm

I do guess it jumps around ideas a bit

Take a look now?

Its too major a thing for edits IMO

Magisch

Why can I view this with only 6.5k on stack overflow? stackoverflow.com/posts/79884/revisions

Nog Shine

Don't know. I am viewing it with 101

Magisch

It's a deleted post and I can view its revision history

The same does not work for other deleted posts

o_O

Nog Shine

5:27 AM

How did you find out this?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Magisch It was migrated to a different site. The history of deleted migration stubs is kept viewable due to CC licensing requirements.

May 30 at 22:29, by Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Why are revision histories of deleted questions that were migrated to other sites publicly visible?

May 30 at 22:35, by Shog9

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog so that you can view who contributed to them

(cc @NogShine)

Magisch

huh

Shadow Wizard

6:13 AM

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Q: Why can I see the revision history of a deleted question?

I'm under 10k rep on Stack Overflow, so I can't see deleted content. I looked at this question from a meta post. When I visit the question page, I get the standard removed for moderation reasons message. But when I visit the revisions page for the post I'm able to see the revision history. When ...

bug status-bydesign deleted-questions revisions-list

huh... Shog went on reopen spree of questions closed as "Too Localized'... wonder why... Maybe to hint we can and should ask in MSE about specific high profile questions on other sites??

Nog Shine

@ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard Thanks

Shadow Wizard

@NogShine @NogShine np

@Nog oh, BTW, did you watch the latest Avengers movie? (Infinity War)

If not you should, you are there, and with a huge twist! :D

Nog Shine

@ShadowWizard Because there is nothing localized now. Nearly every question posted to Meta Stack Exchange pertains to a specific site on the network. The problem can be explained by this site users without knowing specific site's issues.

@ShadowWizard No.

@ShadowWizard Sure. I have to catch up a bunch of movies before that.

Shadow Wizard

@NogShine it's linked in several places, even in one of Shog's answers.

@NogShine so they should remove the "Belong to specific site" close reason if that's the case.

Nog Shine

@ShadowWizard Oh.. Uncle Shog? O.O

Also the question is a support.

@ShadowWizard The emphasis is on only applicable to a specific site.

Shadow Wizard

6:27 AM

@NogShine not really, the movie can totally stand on its own. E.g. I'm not familiar at all with the Scarlet Witch, yet her role in the movie was clear, I didn't need to have background on her to enjoy the movie. :)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard her origin story in the MCU's fairly different anyway

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek oh

Journeyman Geek

MCU has no magneto

Shadow Wizard

in Lounge<C++> on Stack Overflow Chat, Mar 21 '12 at 18:56, by sbi

The old Tomalak? Now that sounds interesting! Oh, please tell us a story, uncle @Shog!

Could be a nice meme.... :D

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard heh

with respect to your politics question...

there's a lot of folks who still haven't forgiven japan for WW2

they did some pretty vile things - like use korean women as slaves

(and lol, someone linked it to me... off site, amusingly enough)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

6:34 AM

How funny, @Shog9!

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A: How do you search for other users on the "overflow" sites?

Search for other users, eh? Given the date, I assume you mean, "...for romantic purposes". Nudge nudge, wink wink... It's ok, you can admit it - everyone needs love sooner or later. However, I must caution you: angling for amour on SOFU is a game fraught with danger; sure, these sites might appe...

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek yeah it was auto twitted at some point

Journeyman Geek

I think more likely HNQed

Shadow Wizard

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog he can be funny too, you know.... :D

@JourneymanGeek doesn't explain the "off site" you mentioned... :)

Magisch

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog That is 8 years old and clearly a joke

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard SE user

but there's a few spinoff chats

Shadow Wizard

6:36 AM

@JourneymanGeek oh

Journeyman Geek

either cause folks quit SE, or we wanted a non default public space to talk

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

This question could have been prevented if the moderator in question communicated to them the issue

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek most of the lounge moved to discord

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch well, its often not censorship

its more we're a close knit enough community that we sometimes talk about work or other things we'd rather not have on a public channel like this

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek yeah, tons of comments explaining why Japan isn't neutral... I do know the history in general, but forgot the bits about Japan and North Korea, just remembered Japan helped the "bad guys" until being nuked.

Journeyman Geek

6:38 AM

@ShadowWizard in asia, japan was the bad guys

In certain ways they were just as bad as, or worse than the Nazis

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek well, they wouldn't have done anything on their own, or would they?

Magisch

people in china are probably light on the forgiveness train considering what they endured

Journeyman Geek

Probably would have

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek so in a sense, WW2 saved Asia from being terrorized by Japan in the future?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard in a sense

Magisch

6:39 AM

I can fully understand why people in general are light on the forgiveness train about ww2, to say it was horrific would be a understatement

Shadow Wizard

heh

Journeyman Geek

So... bit of politics here

Japan basically claimed they were saving asia from european oppression

but... they kind of invaded china, and korea, and the chinese and koreans were... miffed

then things like

Comfort women

Comfort women were women and girls forced into sexual slavery by the Imperial Japanese Army in occupied territories before and during World War II. The name "comfort women" is a translation of the Japanese ianfu (慰安婦), a euphemism for "prostitute(s)". Estimates vary as to how many women were involved, with numbers ranging from as low as 20,000 (by Japanese historian Ikuhiko Hata) to as high as 360,000 to 410,000 (by a Chinese scholar); the exact numbers are still being researched and debated. Most of the women were from occupied countries, including Korea, China, and the Philippines. Women were...

Nanking Massacre

The Nanking Massacre was an episode of mass murder and mass rape committed by Japanese troops against the residents of Nanjing (Nanking), then the capital of the Republic of China, during the Second Sino-Japanese War. The massacre is also known as the Rape of Nanking or, using Pinyin romanization, the Nanjing Massacre or Rape of Nanjing. The massacre occurred over a period of six weeks starting on December 13, 1937, the day that the Japanese captured Nanjing. During this period, soldiers of the Imperial Japanese Army murdered Chinese civilians and disarmed combatants who numbered an estimated 40...

Sook Ching

The Sook Ching (simplified Chinese: 肃清; traditional Chinese: 肅清; pinyin: Sùqīng; Jyutping: suk1 cing1; Pe̍h-ōe-jī: Siok-chheng, meaning "purge through cleansing") was a systematic purge of perceived hostile elements among the Chinese in Singapore by the Japanese military during the Japanese occupation of Singapore and Malaya, after the British colony surrendered on 15 February 1942 following the Battle of Singapore. The massacre took place from 18 February to 4 March 1942 at various places in the region. The operation was overseen by the Kempeitai secret police and subsequently extended to include...

and mengele?

Probably would have felt at home at unit 731

The americans basically dropped the nukes cause they'd probably have had to wade through the bodies of japanese and american soldiers to the gates of Tokyo otherwise

and here's the thing. They just... pretended a lot of that didn't happen

ugh

Removed the wiki link to unit 731. Its just... to damned disturbing

So more or less, they being better behaves these days... dosen't really make them the best place for something like this

*behaved

Magisch

7:09 AM

Electrician contractors from hell

They miswired the server room and our firewall and 2 servers fried

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek heh, those are indeed horrible things that can't really be forgiven, I guess. To be honest, never learned about any of those in my history lessons back in school.

Journeyman Geek

ya

Most history is local?

and well I suppose in Israel more on the war in europe than asia

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch ouch. any survivors?

@JourneymanGeek but how you know all of this, and why? You're not local to Japan or Korea...

@JourneymanGeek oh, true.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard My dad was born in india cause the Japs threatened to bomb sri lanka

and singapore kind of was the japanese HQ in the region...

and the local ethnic chinese suffered horribly

The Japanese Invasion's a big part of the whole "fortress singapore" mentality we have towards defence

No one's going to save our ass if we get invaded

so we need to be ready to kick the ass of anyone dumb enough to try

Magisch

@ShadowWizard Electrical company is gonna look at compensatory damages

Journeyman Geek

7:24 AM

so as kids, this is covered a lot

Magisch

that was a 29k eur firewall

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek I see.

@Magisch whoa.... lots of money!

Why did they mess with the server room electricity to begin with? What did they try to do? @Magisch

Magisch

@ShadowWizard They rewired our entire building because the electrical wires were becoming dated

But they messed up hard and a bunch of stuff fried. Not just in the server room but in the server room was most damage

A couple of employees got zapped too

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch wow, sounds like a huge lawsuit is upcoming.

Journeyman Geek

7:28 AM

Babylon 5 - Lyta is going to sue... somebody.

►

Magisch

I had some fun with a fried PSU yesterday to

if you count getting zapped by a short circuit as fun :P

Shadow Wizard

lol

Magisch

At least it wasn't net outlet voltage that would have been pretty deadly considering we're all wearing conductive clothing and the floor is extra conductive to prevent static buildup

Shadow Wizard

Were they private contractors, or part of some big company? @Magisch

Magisch

bigger company in the area

I believe our bosses will settle for replacing all the equipment

Shadow Wizard

7:30 AM

@Magisch by same bad company?? What's the point? They'll just fry it again.

Better get money from them, no?

Magisch

@ShadowWizard no I mean they'll pay for all the replacements

they dont sell servers or pcs

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch good... just don't let them touch anything in your building ever again... :)

Magisch

@ShadowWizard I doubt the bosses will let them

One of the defective PSU's is oozing a thick brown fluid, time to dispose of it :P

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

7:47 AM

@Magisch Liquid cooled?

Magisch

nah

probably exploded electrolytic condensators

Journeyman Geek

cap-goop

^ that ;p

Magisch

I'm not touching or smelling it to find out

Journeyman Geek

capacitors

Nothing else in a PSU's liquid

Magisch

w/e we'll write that one off

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

7:49 AM

How do those newfangled "fan-less" power supplies work?

Journeyman Geek

lower heat production, bigger heatsinks, maybe throttling

potentially some reliance on case fans

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

I have two graphics cards inside my custom-built machine; will a 750-watt power supply be able to handle them properly?

Magisch

Actually we narrowly avoided the real disaster yesterday

Journeyman Geek

depends on the cards

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

GeForce 1070 and GeForce 1070 Ti

Journeyman Geek

7:50 AM

But chances are, probably? I usually just throw what I have on a PSU capasity calculator

Magisch

It fried the PSU of one of our big machines - the ones that are incredibly specialized calibrating equipment worth north of 1.5m eur

Journeyman Geek

mismatched cards? that's unusual

Magisch

if it had fried the mainboard you can't get that mainboard anymore

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog outervision.com/power-supply-calculator

throw your setup in there and see

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

I'm doing some stuff similar to @PrincessLuna with TensorFlow and neural networks

Magisch

7:52 AM

I'm actually getting anxious just thinking about it

We have so much ridiculously expensive specialized testing and calibrating equipment

Journeyman Geek

ah ok, that's a great reason

@Magisch some of which runs windows 95? ;p

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek all the way down to flat out DOS

Journeyman Geek

sounds about right

Magisch

some of that stuff is invaluable - they're ridiculously accurate measuring equipment you can't get anymore

anything comparable will run you millions

these are all paid off and written off so using them is pure profit for the company right now

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Do they use ECC memory?

Journeyman Geek

7:56 AM

They could be using... EDO memory

Magisch

I have no clue tbh

I just know I'm not allowed to touch those

Journeyman Geek

or maybe SD ram... not even DDR1

Magisch

We have a employee whose sole job is operating and maintaining these

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

I have a second desktop, my daily-use machine, which I got for very cheap ($350). It's a server machine.

Lenovo ThinkServer TS140

Journeyman Geek

a lot of low end servers are desktop grade parts

and a lot of high end workstations are servers

ooh

if its the Xeon E3 model, looks like good fun

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

8:03 AM

@JourneymanGeek Yes, it is

Too bad it came with a paltry 280 watt power supply

(Just trying out some ASCII art I found online; it doesn't work because it strips off leading spaces on each line)

Princess Luna

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Cool

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@PrincessLuna You have a custom-built machine you do it on?

Princess Luna

Nope.

Derpy

9:21 AM

Luna Nobis Custodit

Princess Luna

?

Derpy

@PrincessLuna I was suggesting it is about time we conquer this room and turn it into a colony for the New Lunar Republic.

Princess Luna

Ok?

Somewhat Memorable Name

10:08 AM

Udonge? Tewi?

Derpy

10:29 AM

Touhou?

Martin James

Why is everyone talking Glaswegian?

Princess Luna

In what?

Derpy

nuq vIghel SoH ghewmey chaw'a'.

Princess Luna

@Derpy tlhIngan Hol mughwI' neH latlh tab poS mojpu' vIghaj DaSov.

Journeyman Geek

@MartinJames not cussy enough for glaswegian.

IF YE ALL AIN'T SPEAKING ENGLISH IN THE TIME IT TAKES @MartinJames TO FINISH A PINT I WILL HAVE YER SEEIN THE SITES OF BIRMINGHAM. YA HEAR?

Princess Luna

10:45 AM

Nein. :p

I didn't hear that, I read it :p

Journeyman Geek

LOOK A JERRY! GET EM LADS!

FOR QUEEN,COUNTRY, AND THE FACT THAT THEY'RE SO DARNED SMUG ABOUT THEIR BEER!

(gawd, its hard to do english ruffian without the swearing)

Derpy

@JourneymanGeek Thee seemeth somehow fell. Has't a mugeth of apple cid'r and relaxeth with us

Martin James

@JourneymanGeek Aaal 'av tree pints's o'heavy an' a couple hefeweizen!

Derpy

11:30 AM

boring

Mgetz

@JourneymanGeek I just ask Glaswegians to say "Burglar alarm"

Glaswegian Trying To Say Burglar Alarm On Top Gear

►

Not quite SFW for language youtube.com/watch?v=us4_Wllv65w

but hilarious

rene

1:57 PM

→ 19 messages moved to Chimney

Journeyman Geek

2:08 PM

ooh free flags

Shadow Wizard

yup

Nog Shine

0

Q: What was the modification by the Community♦ here?

I was browsing some unanswered questions and found a question asked by Yogi. The question is in Page 58 if there are 30 questions in each page (as of today). Why ashvalayana ghriya sutra dictates that bones of cremated person should be buried When it is seen from questions page, it shows ...

support community-user

Should I have asked it here?

Journeyman Geek

in theory TPTB read meta

so... not really

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek TPTB? Tim Post To Be?

Journeyman Geek

The powers that be

Shadow Wizard

2:17 PM

oh

AGASTD

rene

gesundheit ...

Shadow Wizard

ges who?

ges und heit.... sounds like "Guess and Hate". :D

Magisch

tim post lends itself so well to wordplay

tim post it note

Shadow Wizard

Grace is Note

Somewhat Memorable Name

Tim posts grace notes

Shadow Wizard

2:23 PM

eww

Somewhat Memorable Name

(ugh)

rene

@ShadowWizard אברך אותך

Shadow Wizard

lol

@rene תבורך

Nog Shine

@ShadowWizard Does it show modified by community if it is a comment conversion?

Magisch

@SomewhatMemorableName tim graces us with his post it notes

Shadow Wizard

2:24 PM

I think you meant "לבריאות" though, @rene. Is this what you say to someone after they sneeze?

rene

yes

Shadow Wizard

So that's "לבריאות!", your translation tool is borked. :P

rene

Blame google

Somewhat Memorable Name

We ♡ Google Translate

yup.

rene

lol

Shadow Wizard

2:25 PM

@rene ^^^

@NogShine I think only if automatic, otherwise it should show the name of answer author.

Somewhat Memorable Name

apparently "trivial answer" comment conversion doesn't modify anything since the system prevents the answer to be posted in the first place; it's posted as if the user comments instead

rene

2:48 PM

> I run the fake one

Journeyman Geek

;p

Somewhat Memorable Name

Code hosting? Bah. We just hosted texts in code formatting...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@rene on the plus side, it has discounts

Somewhat Memorable Name

Also, what EU will do next?

rene

3:03 PM

@SomewhatMemorableName we'll launch missiles to New York to have them pay for the economic sanctions.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@rene that's not EU

That's Holland

rene

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ North or South?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

The holland part

Catija

Seems related to the discussion yesterday about SE talking about political things:

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What's scary about this are the unknowns. We really don't know what the impact will mean for us, or imgur, or other friends - we don't know what the outcome of the vote will be, or what the final legislation will look like. We're, like many other US companies that cater to the world, bystanders ...

Mgetz

@Catija This will be hilariously bad if it passes

Like internet destroying bad, because it would mean that services must disable any user posted links universally

Catija

3:15 PM

I haven't really read anything on it but it sounds bad.

Mgetz

@Catija basically every "commercial" site would have to either a) get a license from another site to link to it without charge b) pay a tax on every "news" link (WTF does that mean!?) c) Every site on the internet would be required to implement some (as yet to be defined) copyright filter so that nothing copyrighted can be posted on their site unless they have a license (again... there goes all of user created content) and that's just the start of the horribad

Catija

Why does anyone think this is a good idea?

Mgetz

@Catija Because "SAVE THE ARTISTS FROM THE PIRATES!!!!!"

Magisch

As someone from europe, if this passes I'll go protest in the streets

Mgetz

TL;DR; Hollywood and the copyright maximalists got their person in the right place... and are getting a nasty wishlist dream come true if it passes

Catija

3:22 PM

Not really sure how that does anything. If you can't link to someone's site without having to pay for the privilege or get permission... the artists won't get any visibility to sell their stuff.

Mgetz

@Magisch I suspect it will be more than just you

Magisch

Ip law is already cancerous enough without bureaucrats legislating what they don't even begin to understand

Mgetz

@Catija Funny you mention that... spain passed something a few years ago similar, and immediately newssite readership plummeted

Catija

In the US, at least, "News" has always been fair use. There are rules for how much they can use but... ugh.

Magisch

This is a blatant lobbyist cash grab by the traditional text publishers

they've been whining for years about how the internet is unfair competition

Mgetz

3:25 PM

@Magisch I don't think I've seen anyone in the software industry or internet industry support this.

Sterling Archer

If you have potential evidence, can you report a profile for impersonating somebody?

Magisch

thats because its an insanely idiotic piece of textual diarrhea

nobody who is not a lobbyist or computer illiterate can even begin to support the very obvious suppression of free expression or freedom of information that comes from it

Catija

@SterlingArcher Actual impersonation? Or just using a similar/same name? I think it relates to what Shog mentioned to Community yesterday... or Nog Shine... as long as they're not actually trying to pass themselves off as those people, it's OK...

@Magisch So why does it seem to be getting enough traction to be considered.

Sterling Archer

The only problem is it could be entirely circumstantial. But name, schooling info, and personal picture

Magisch

because this is the EU parliament and major text publishers really want them to legislate into existance a new business model for their failing selves

Sterling Archer

3:28 PM

I'm hesitant because this person could very well be who they say, but some gathered info has me on the fence

Magisch

If this piece of crap legislation actually stifles the internet that I've come to love and that has enabled me to know so much I might actually become an activist and go annoy the MP's

Somewhat Memorable Name

@SterlingArcher Just curious (really, not attacking or anything), what's the action you hope if you report it?

Sterling Archer

If it's not them, I'd just like to see the personal information of this person removed is all

Somewhat Memorable Name

we have... this meta post?

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Q: How far should we go in disallowing 'impersonation' in profiles?

From this discussion (Official position on use of images on avatars), it seems a moderator suspended a user for violation of the ToS regarding 'impersonation'. That user linked to profiles of somebody else, and that isn't smart, I know. Part of that discussion was if you are allowed or not to us...

discussion profile-page display-names

Sterling Archer

> Filling out your public profile as if you were that person is usually a step too far.

I agree with that

Derpy

3:33 PM

while you are at it, kill this one too

Sterling Archer

Oh, it's been accused now

Somewhat Memorable Name

huh... realtime drama?

Sterling Archer

chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/42899249#42899249 @Shog9 if you have a moment, we believe this account may need a glance of attention

Catija

Is there reason to think she's not that person?

Sterling Archer

Yes. The profile was made 7 months ago, stating current STEM studying in NYC. However, the real person has been in China starting 7 months ago

The profile is copied verbatum from the admissions site where the picture was taken

I hope we're not right. I don't like people impersonating people.

> they made this account like right when that page was made too
account is 7 months old
that page is from late October
so it's def a lie, you can't switch to NYU that fast after being in an SLU article as an admissions Ambassador

Martin James

3:40 PM

"I'm a full stack engineer" - does that mean that they are one push short of an access violation?

rene

yep

Shog9

@SterlingArcher why?

eh. Whatever. Reset the image.

Sterling Archer

4:01 PM

We were just worried about identity theft. Thanks :)

Somewhat Memorable Name

4:15 PM

Except, it's not reset yet on SO? (or blame caching)

Sterling Archer

4:31 PM

Anybody else getting a 503 on SO?

Somewhat Memorable Name

And now I got HTTP 503 Service Unavailable

and~~~~ back

and...... offline for maintenance

rene

@Shog9 There is an SOfT bug here that I repro-ed and gave me 503 service unavailable and more reports on MSO coming in.

Somewhat Memorable Name

We're investigating this right now, appears to be a bad build — Mark Henderson 1 min ago

rene

yeah, just saw that

Somewhat Memorable Name

in SO Close Vote Reviewers on Stack Overflow Chat, 35 secs ago, by TylerH

Nick said they are almost ready to deploy a fix

Shog9

4:41 PM

The build will be spanked and sent to bed early without supper.

Somewhat Memorable Name

poor build...

rene

that will teach them

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