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Tim Stone

04:00

Yes, I whined quite a bit of how my eyes were not a fan of blood red on blue.

Also, yes, it's best that we....contain what goes on here.

Rebecca Chernoff

@Zypher mm.

Zypher

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException you never know till you try

Michael Mrozek

@TimStone They never did change that

Zypher

there are also a couple of people doing it on SO ...

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@RebeccaChernoff I'll do my own challenge, I'll try and reach 3K :-)

Rebecca Chernoff

04:01

5K!

Wait, what's your rep on SF now?

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@Zypher True, but, while I am a sysadmin, I'm a CTO and a programmer first, and my knowledge just isn't there to earn that much rep

Rebecca Chernoff

Whatever it is, do an point increase, not to reach a point (:

Michael Mrozek

I thought gaining 10k on SF in 1 year was a pretty lofty goal given the number of 10k users the site has

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@RebeccaChernoff 1963.

Zypher

@MichaelMrozek i did it in less than a year

Michael Mrozek

04:02

@Zypher Well, you're special. In a good way

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@RebeccaChernoff OK. I'll aim to earn 3K :-)

Rebecca Chernoff

5k.

Zypher

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException shoot Wesley an email/tweet explaining there is a guy participating doing less cus he isn't a pure sysadmin anymore

Rebecca Chernoff

(:

Tim Stone

So who killed jsfiddle by the way?

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

04:03

@Zypher LOL

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff Someone randomly gave me an up vote for correcting your typo earlier today. That's oddly one of my higher voted answers.

Zypher

@RebeccaChernoff also it was easy to find cus it's my only tweet that was re-tweeted :)

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

I don't know, maybe I could do better... It's been so long since I spent enough time on SF, but looking at my rep graph, when I really worked hard I made some good gains. Well, good for me anyway :-)

Zypher

@TimStone where is this ? (i need to go downvote)

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone, huh?

Tim Stone

04:04

Hah :P

Rebecca Chernoff

@Zypher, I'm sorry, are you implying I'd have the initiative to go looking? (;

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff Iunno, some jQuery thingadongdong.

Rebecca Chernoff

Ohhhhhh

Yeah, that was pretty idiotic of me. ):

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

I still love my second highest voted SF answer :-D

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A: When is it appropriate to use https?

I would argue it's always appropriate to use (or at least offer) SSL/https, and it's mandatory to use it when passwords, payment information, Social Security Numbers/other personally identifying information is being transmitted. It has an overhead, but in my eyes, the cost is always worth the ben...

Tim Stone

At least you didn't almost lose files to Subversion the other day. :P

That was really stupid of me.

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

04:06

@Rebecca by the way, feeling better now?

At least you didn't actually commit half your password to Subversion the other day. :P

Rebecca Chernoff

yes!

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

That was really really really stupid of me

Michael Mrozek

@RebeccaChernoff It's amazing what a day spent hanging out not in here can do for headaches

Rebecca Chernoff

Ok yes, I wasn't that idiotic. q:

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@RebeccaChernoff Glad to hear it

Rebecca Chernoff

04:07

lol

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

(on both counts)

Zypher

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException ehh my passwords are regulary in bash history files

Tim Stone

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException As much as I don't want to make fun of you for that, this is true..

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

@Zypher Mine have been sometimes, but I can chown / rm those

This was a SVN repo my whole company uses, LOL

(Then again I am root so I could have fixed it if I cared enough)

Zypher

haha ok yea

The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

04:08

it was easier to just change my password :-D

Zypher

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException also when chat re-syncs with meta your username will be shorter ... i ... couldn't ... stand ... it

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The NeedsMoarJquery Exception

oh no, LOL

Rebecca Chernoff

Hahahahaha

Tim Stone

Aw, but balpha had left it that way so he'd learn a lesson. :P

Zypher

i think it's lesson learned

Josh

04:11

AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm back where I began, LOL

Reno

hey @Jin :)

Tim Stone

Ah, this scenario reminds me of something I had wanted to look into..

Reno

did you see that new app by autodesk -- Sketchbook pro /express ?

it seems pretty cool :)

Zypher

@Josh yes ... you're lucky i'm tired :-D

Josh

@Zypher You didn't get creative, which, I suppose is a good thing :-)

Zypher

04:13

@Josh see above

Josh

Now I have to be a bit more careful what I say in here though. I can't hide under "The Unhandled Exception" anymore, LOL

drachenstern

So did we bugger out the SAN?

Josh

@drachenstern No, we resorted to db hacking to change my name...

Jin

@Reno hi

Tim Stone

@Josh I think it was too late anyway, the socks had already done you in.

Michael Mrozek

04:14

@Zypher Very much appreciated

Zypher

haha no db hacking needed @RebeccaChernoff coulda done it

Josh

@TimStone Damn those socks!

Jin

@Zypher that lil pistol is pretty sexy

drachenstern

Sweet @Josh ... that'll work too I guess

Josh

@Zypher She refused :-)

Rebecca Chernoff

04:15

(;

Zypher

@Josh haha yea @Jin i know my old boss just bought it

Rebecca Chernoff

would've accepted a bribe...

Josh

@RebeccaChernoff HAHAHA

Zypher

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO angry birds just crashes!

Rebecca Chernoff

):

Michael Mrozek

04:16

@RebeccaChernoff I cured your headache a few hours ago and got nothing...

Rebecca Chernoff

Since when did you cure my migraine?

Tim Stone

style.setBorderTop(CellStyle.BORDER_THIN);
style.setTopBorderColor(TABLE_TITLE_BG_COLOR);

...Hm.

Michael Mrozek

@RebeccaChernoff You think it just went away on its own?

That's what I get for helping people

Tim Stone

@MichaelMrozek Never again, never again.

Rebecca Chernoff

Next time ya think you could step in about 12 hours earlier?

Josh

04:18

Ug, that's miserable )-:

Zypher

how's the design world @jin

Josh

That reminds me, any new revs on the Unix design? :-)

Oh, yes indeedy

Michael Mrozek

@Josh I figured he was done and it was going live sometime soon

Josh

Oh, I like it much better now @Jin!

@MichaelMrozek Yeah, I have been wasting my time in here and not checking meta

Reno

@Jin i know you use photoshop a lot, what do you think about that new app sketchbook pro :]

Josh

04:21

Excellent work @Jin

Tim Stone

@Josh Oh sure, link to it after I go over there to find it myself ;)

Josh

@TimStone Of course. That will teach you to make fun of me when I act like a total moron!

oh wait...

drachenstern

Where precisely did the databse hacking occur?

I don't see it in the transcript

Jin

@Reno i don't know anything about it

Tim Stone

@drachenstern In the server room, with the terminal.

Josh

04:24

Argh, I am really frustrated. I merged changes from one branch into another and now the features from the first branch I worked hard getting right are not working. >:o

drachenstern

Ahhh

Jin

@josh thanks. i'm converting to css now.

Zypher

@TimStone close but no

Tim Stone

Kitchen with the candlestick?

@Josh shakes fist at the merge process

Zypher

cleanroom with the tiny magnet

Tim Stone

04:24

Ah, I would have never guessed. Very nice.

Zypher

yes ... make sure you know binary though

and have a steady hand

Josh

15 mins ago, by Zypher

@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException also when chat re-syncs with meta your username will be shorter ... i ... couldn't ... stand ... it

Zypher

i suggest half a bodly of wiskey before hand

drachenstern

@Zypher I just release butterflies at specifically timed intervals

Zypher

I hope you follow the guidelines in RFC 1149

Reno

04:26

@Jin ah ok

Michael Mrozek

I just click the "edit" button on the user's profile. I'm lame :(

Reno

itunes.apple.com/us/app/sketchbook-pro/id404243548?mt=12

heres a peep

Josh

@MichaelMrozek Yes I'm sure he did too

Zypher

download combo updater apple's forums say you will bring angry birds to life!

Josh

@MichaelMrozek But since he could edit the DB directly it's more fun to imagine that's what @Zypher did

drachenstern

04:27

@Zypher not birds, butterflies

Zypher

@Josh actually with SQL 2k8 not even domain admins have access by default ... so i may not be able to

drachenstern

@Josh they're mods, obviously it was wizardry right?

@Zypher on installation somebody in the domains is assigned rights tho ... you could impersonate them in some way, if you knew who that was

Josh

@Zypher Oh, huh. Well that deflates my bubble

@Zypher I'm sure you could have found some way to trick the system into executing some SQL ;-)

Zypher

oh i regularly swap cookies with balpha

drachenstern

So our first powerbill (for 20 days) in our new apartment came in ... $25 sound like too much to pay?

Josh

04:29

HAHAHAHA

Zypher

my current power bill is 139$

Josh

@drachenstern In the summer my power bill is ~$150

Michael Mrozek

Mine is definitely more than $25

drachenstern

That's about what the wife is used to paying, the $150 mark, she was surprised

I however was not

Tim Stone

@drachenstern I have a good related story, but I can't tell it here.

drachenstern

04:30

we have huge concrete walls

@TimStone you have my gmail :p

Josh

@TimStone That's a tease :-p

Zypher

@TimStone what? since when can something not be said here

drachenstern

@Zypher indeed!

I was sharing nearly porn earlier!

Zypher

@drachenstern yea i blame the damn electric EVERYTHING for my bill spring/fall ~50$ winter/summer ~120-150

drachenstern

@Zypher nonsense, it's global warming!

Josh

04:31

@drachenstern wait what? And you didn't @ me?

drachenstern

YOU WERE HERE!

Josh

Was this right after you made me go work?

WHAT?

I remember no porn...

Tim Stone

I know, I know. :P

drachenstern

1 hour ago, by drachenstern

So this store at http://www.doubletakemicrowear.com/ has this bathing suit http://www.doubletakemicrowear.com/avactis-images/v-string-450_0.jpg for sale and my friend says that it's not a bikini (that she would wear in public, but behind a privacy fence maybe ;) )

Now you've been atted

I distinctly said "nearly porn"

Josh

Oh right, that XD

drachenstern

04:32

lol

I won't take the trouble to link to the other "designs" they have available. I'm sure ya'll can figure it out

It was organic that that one was mentioned in the first place (organic in my world anyways)

Zypher

why even bother wearing cloths if you are going to wear that

Josh

I'm submitting an order on a client's site with the notes, "Why isn't the javascript here working? Exceptions make Firefox cry!"

I wonder what the client will think...

drachenstern

@Josh I would ... not do that

Zypher

@drachenstern i retain my point ... why bother with the cloths

Josh

@drachenstern I'm going to delete the order after :-)

drachenstern

04:36

Ahhhh

Zypher

man they need new models on that site

drachenstern

@Zypher agreed

and non-low-res images

Zypher

or someone who knows photoshop better

Josh

LOL

Rebecca Chernoff

Do I even want to know?

Zypher

04:39

CLICK THE LINK!

Josh

No. You don't

Zypher

so apparently i was having a conversation on blog.sf comments with a guy one of my firends used to work with

Josh

Well, maybe I'm wrong

Jin

so, repackage shoelaces 'n call them bikinis... genius.

Rebecca Chernoff

...heh

drachenstern

04:41

@RebeccaChernoff no

Zypher

didn't know the guy

my firend just texted me "small world" and then that jewel

Jin

@Zypher how many of your former coworkers have you killed?

Tim Stone

...The conversation kind of took an abrupt turn there.

drachenstern

@RebeccaChernoff I would think the term microwear and bikini would tell you more than you cared to know

Josh

@TimStone That it sure did

Zypher

04:42

Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution

The Fifth Amendment (Amendment V) to the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, protects against abuse of government authority in a legal procedure. Its guarantees stem from English common law which traces back to the Magna Carta in 1215. For instance, grand juries and the phrase "due process" both trace their origin to the Magna Carta. Text Grand jury Grand juries, which return indictments in many criminal cases, are composed of a jury of peers and operate in closed deliberation proceedings; they are given specific instructions regarding the law by the jud...

Jin

@Zypher good thing I work remote then..

Zypher

yea god forbid i commit the felony of interstate transportation of weapon without a permit ....

if i was gonna do that and all :-D

Josh

OK well I'm off for the night. Take care everyone!

Tim Stone

@Josh Especially Jin, it seems. G'night!

Zypher

why the hell would you name your api graph ... if it has nothing to do with creating a graph?

Tim Stone

04:46

It has nothing to do with creating any sort of graph?

drachenstern

@Josh night

Zypher

well no in the sence of a normal graph ... but the metaphysical "social graph"

Jin

lifehacker.com/5727190/best-online-question-and-answer-tool

drachenstern

heh, playing with /review on dba is fun. There's a hunnert and something questions, and most of them are good, so there's nothing on the /review route :p

@Jin heh

Zypher

Twitter WTF

drachenstern

04:59

victoriassecret.com/ss/… <-- what is the general consensus on that? The wearer is approximately the same size

Jin

@drachenstern yes

Zypher

needs more cowbells

and less wife ducks

drachenstern

lol

@Zypher not so much as you might think >.>

That's another one of those conversations that here and now might not be appropriate ...

Zypher

haha ... blame the bachelor that always seems to smooth things over

drachenstern

@Zypher bah nonsense

Zypher

05:03

at least that's what my friends tell me after i suggest goign to the strip join within earshot of thier SO (well when they are talking to me again 4 months later)

@drachenstern you've never been to Utah have you?

drachenstern

not so much, no

Zypher

haha yea ... it's ... uh creepy ... might have something to do with the 50 year age difference and the old men having the wives lined up though

drachenstern

@Zypher yeah, that is, I don't hold by that lifestyle for several reasons ...

Zypher

hmmm

drachenstern

So said friend, I was the reason she's worn her only bikinis ever, and she's 34. She's got quite a body, and she's been working to make it better. She's taken up mountain biking and marathoning, and so after last summer, she's really excited to wear bikinis now.

Zypher

05:05

apparently it's supposed to snow tomorrow

@drachenstern nice

Tim Stone

Ah, mountain biking...now there's something I haven't done in a while.

drachenstern

Well damn, I don't have any pictures on this hard drive or my portable, I'll have to snag some off the other laptop tomorrow ... ah well, I'm sure it's pretty well not important to the story

Zypher

what pics or it didn't happen

drachenstern

@Zypher ok, fine, be back here tomorrow sometime after 6amCT and remind me and I'll post something :p

(meaning I'm about to get off here and go lay down and won't copy those till in the morning)

Zypher

oh you'll be reminded

Tim Stone

05:19

lmao

Rebecca Chernoff

\o/ new desk setup!

Need a longer monitor cable though.

Zypher

@RebeccaChernoff haha excellent

now you can start working

:-D

Tim Stone

Zing!

drachenstern

gotta do the whole "blank the eyes" thing ... anyways, that's not what i had in mind, just a teaser :p

Zypher

hahah

drachenstern

05:22

@RebeccaChernoff no more drop7 then?

Tim Stone

Oh right.

drachenstern

@RebeccaChernoff but that doesn't impact WwF does it?

Tim Stone

yells at @RebeccaChernoff Play WwF!

drachenstern

Jinx!

Rebecca Chernoff

haha

Zypher

05:23

why does facebook think i should be friends with my high school english teacher?

drachenstern

@Zypher at this point does it matter if you're not?

Tim Stone

I tried to play my moves in WwF earlier, but my head wasn't having any of that.

Rebecca Chernoff

@Zypher well there were those Skype messages from earlier today... (;

Yes, yes. WwF. q:

Zypher

haha that should prove my point that i shouldn't be friends with him

i'm slightly entertained going through the "find more friend" linke ... it basically goes "don't want to talk to them", "don't know them", "no","no","oh god she has kids","OH HELL NO"

George Edison

@RebeccaChernoff: We may have a new chat plugin / thing you might be interested in.

(We meaning me and someone from the Ask Ubuntu community.)

Rebecca Chernoff

05:29

Oh?

George Edison

It's an extension that hooks into libnotify.

Zypher

ohh mmyyy goood

George Edison

...which is a Linux API that displays status notifications.

Zypher

no no ... i just went to my tech school's website and they are still using the flash animation with a picture of me from when i was 16

Rebecca Chernoff

link or it didn't happen. q:

Reno

05:31

George Edison

What I was about to say :P

Rebecca Chernoff

@GeorgeEdison ah, nice.

Zypher

eastech.org/eastern-programs/computer-network-administration

Reno

just made this :P

George Edison

I don't see anything...

@RebeccaChernoff: Here's a screenshot of the NPAPI-based plugin running in Chrome:

It isn't hooked up to chat yet, but you can see the notification.

Rebecca Chernoff

05:34

cool

drachenstern

@Zypher which one?

Tim Stone

@GeorgeEdison Is it different function-wise from the desktop notifications that chat has now?

Zypher

The one with the 386 chassis in pieces

drachenstern

@TimStone yes, it uses a different api

@Zypher figured that was it

George Edison

@Tim: Not really, except it integrates with the desktop more.

A Windows version is theoretically possible if libnotify is ported.

Tim Stone

05:35

Fair enough :)

George Edison

It looks better in Ubuntu :P

drachenstern

ok, done with chrome etc tonight

Tim Stone

Pretty is important. :P

drachenstern

ttytomorrow folks

Tim Stone

G'night

Oh right, now I remember why I wasn't looking forward to @RebeccaChernoff taking her WwF turn.

Two sets of triple letters my ass.. shakes fist

drachenstern

05:38

lol, I'm waiting on my turn (which is probably waiting on me)

Rebecca Chernoff

ha

drachenstern

Is she still playing her `OY`s on everyone else?

Zypher

what the hell is this WwF stuff you guys keep going on about

Rebecca Chernoff

@drachenstern, our game ended.

@Zypher itunes.apple.com/us/app/words-with-friends/id322852954?mt=8

What you call Scrabble when you can't call it Scrabble.

drachenstern

@RebeccaChernoff oh, then I should do something about that since you're not on drop7 :p

Zypher

05:39

ahhhh

drachenstern

l8s

Tim Stone

@drachenstern Quick, you have a very limited window of opportunity.

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone oy.

Tim Stone

;)

Ah right, I have some userscript back log...Hm. After this class is done. shakes fist at it too

Zypher

ok ... sleep time

Rebecca Chernoff

05:43

nite

Tim Stone

G'night @Zypher

Michael Mrozek

@Zypher If you have an Android there's Wordfeud. I'm currently destroying @Fosco, because I played first and he hasn't gone yet

Zypher

@MichaelMrozek no andriod yet, just my iPod touch ... ok really going to sleep now 6am comes fast

Tim Stone

\o/ @waffles

Marc Gravell

@Pekka yes

drachenstern

05:59

Marc always comes on when I leave... It's a ploy...

Marc Gravell

I think you should change timezones

Tim Stone

It's the logical solution.

Uh oh, someone broke the profile page.

Marc Gravell

we know, we know

Tim Stone

I saw. shushes

Marc Gravell

fortunately andrewk reported it on meta in that small window between meta being deployed and SO being deployed

it wasn't my bug ;p

Tim Stone

06:08

You mean you don't like having to close 20 duplicate questions when something breaks on SO and waves of people jump over to Meta? ;)

Benjol

I see nothing broken... already fixed?

Tim Stone

@Benjol Was I supposed to be changing anything in the userscript besides the links?

Benjol

@TimStone, eurh, can't remember, don't think so - not for me anyway.

Tim Stone

OK, that's all I care about, anyone else can harass me if I forgot something.

waffles

hugs in my inbox ... yay

Marc Gravell

06:13

@Benjol it is broken on MSO, working on SO - try changing tabs ;p Will be fixed momentarily

Tim Stone

Hahah

Don't stick him with that 301 redirect! :P

Benjol

@MarcGravell, ah, I see. Goodness, that's not broken, it's just a temporarily hidden feature :)

Tim Stone

Suspense builder

Benjol

@waffles, as you're here, little question: you just said "They can also choose to retain the comments on the posts. " - does that mean that the post gets turned into a comment, with all the other comments added behind it?

waffles

@Benjol ... yes if you tick the checkbox (default off)

Benjol

06:17

@waffles, ok, thanks. I guess that could get nasty if the existing comments get interleaved...

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone what's changing? (:

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff I was trying to do something with the mess up top, I suppose. @Benjol asked for a /review link somewhere as well, though maybe @waffles already had plans for that one. I figured I'd give your help dialog a bit of shininess too while I was at it. :)

Benjol

Ooh! Shinies, yes I'll have some of those too :)

Rebecca Chernoff

I'm not sure I like the audit link how it is, but I do like having a link to the report somewhere on the page.

Tim Stone

So you want it on each page?

Benjol

06:23

@RebeccaChernoff, the idea was to have it just from the profile page.

for example the big rep num on the profile page could link to audit instead of to privileges - as the top bar already links to them

Tim Stone

I'm sure I can fit all of the links onto the page though, just a matter of getting creative, heh.

Rebecca Chernoff

Eh, I guess. Seems weird though. I'm never looking at my own profile.

I just stalk others! (;

Tim Stone

Heheh, fair enough. I'll mess around with it and see what I can come up with.

I'll have to go dig up that screenshot of your top bar to take into account your fifty different links. :P

Rebecca Chernoff

>_<

Benjol

We also discussed replacing 'user name' with just 'profile', and possibly getting rid of the log out link

Tim Stone

06:28

Hahah, I didn't say it was a bad thing..just space consuming, clearly.

Rebecca Chernoff

I forget what I said. 35 pixels too wide?

Tim Stone

Oh, I didn't know that you had gotten up close and counted. I think you just said if you dropped the audit link and something else that it all fit.

Benjol

No she did mention pixels, I recall

Tim Stone

As far as the renaming the profile link goes, I'm not a big fan...I like to know that I'm me, even if I know who I am. ;)

Benjol

Yup but you are short, like me. Rebecca Chernoff not so much :)

thinks: another good reason to not change to my real name...

Dan Grossman

06:30

:laughing at old bash.org quotes:

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone One of the things I played around with was just narrowing the search box. I think I went from 200px to 165px. Sounds like 35 to me. (:

Tim Stone

Ah right.

Rebecca Chernoff

lifehacker.com/5727190/best-online-question-and-answer-tool

Tim Stone

I'm tempted to go dig up that post where the user complained that the search box was too small, heheh. I have no problem shrinking it though, personally.

Rebecca Chernoff

1

Q: Make the search box bigger

Anybody else feel that the search box is a bit small? I'd like to see it 1.5x to 2x as big as it currently is. Reason why is that it won't hold a simple search phrase + a couple tags.