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3:01 AM
And I'm still at work ... :p
Asked the boss this morning if he had made his mind up on XYZ after he told me to wait for his input ... today he says "you shouldn't wait on me man" ... /facepalm
I coulda focused on this yesterday morning and been almost done .. but nooooo
 
@drachenstern LOL
After much research I'm leaning towards a SAN as a temporary solution to my impending server upgrade quandry
 
I know my wife is sitting at home tapping her foot [she's got me on skype, we both have 3G service on our iPhones, we've already talked about my working late tonight, it's a block and a half away, it's not a regular occurrence, nobody needs to worry ;) ]
@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException I love SANs
 
@drachenstern She uses skype just to send you the sound of her foot-tapping?
 
@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException something like that
 
@drachenstern What should I look for in a SAN?
I.E. what questions should I ask my datacenter about their SAN plan
 
3:04 AM
@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException disks? that's like a loaded question man
Ahhh, in that case
Might I suggest the appropriate solution?
Paging @Zypher to the MSO chat
 
Yes, please do. I am very open to suggestions
If @Reno had been @Zypher I would have laughed my ass off
 
wait wha- ?
 
@drachenstern I was planning on checking out SF chat tomorrow and asking there also
 
@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException :p
 
ah
xD
 
3:06 AM
@Reno You came in seconds after @drachenstern said he was paging Zypher, for a second I though you were Zypher coming in on perfect cue
 
seriously, I would answer but I know that my knowledge of actual modern SAN hardware is rather limited
 
@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException oh I was curious what the reference there was
 
hes making out backstage with some random girl
 
3:07 AM
interesting
 
Awesome!
Absolutely incredible!
I mean awesome!
 
@drachenstern the basic concern is, one of our server's RAID10 is nearly full, so we need to upgrade. I was thinking if we have to copy all the data to a new RAID array might as well upgrade the server hardware too, but now I'm thinking move some data to a SAN first, it will also make a hardware upgrade later much easier
 
@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException - How much is iWork for Mac in an Apple Store?
 
@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException - I know, do you know?
 
3:10 AM
(sorry, I don't know offhand :-)
 
Okay I'll tell you!
jumping up and down
 
Did you have too much caffeine?? ;-)
 
It's $79 for a single license and $99 for a family license.
still jumping
 
You're crazy :-D
 
Guess how much it is on the Mac App Store?
 
3:11 AM
It's $79 for a single license and $99 for a family license?
 
...waiting...
 
@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException indeed.
 
No, silly.
It's $19.99 for Pages, $19.99 for Numbers and $19.99 for Keynote!
is really excited
Unlimited installs, once purchased and lifetime upgrades!
 
That is a pretty good deal
 
@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException - Aperture, is usually $199
On the app store -
 
3:13 AM
lifetime upgrades ? thats not possible
 
...wait for it...
 
@Reno It does smell a little
 
seventy nine bucks
 
79.99 ?
i saw it last night
 
glares at Reno
@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException It works like the iOS App Store.
 
3:14 AM
@Reno it's Apple. The lifetime of the software will be next year when they change the ToS 16 times
 
@Moshe Which I haven't used... :-(
 
Buy, download, and even
redownload.
You can install apps on every Mac you use and even download them again. This is especially convenient when you buy a new Mac and want to load it with apps you already own.
 
@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException those are the socks :p
 
@drachenstern word
 
</quote>
 
3:15 AM
@drachenstern AHAHAHA
 
calmes down a little
 
Also consider, if we're talking about the appstore on OSX is that it'll be like iTunes, it'll be tied to the account that you login with
 
@drachenstern - indeed.
@drachenstern - true again
 
@Moshe Good. I was starting to worry about you ;-)
 
@drachenstern Apple found a way to best even the most resilient of EULA readers..
 
3:16 AM
since most people don't want to share their "purchasing power" (credit cards and stored info) then they won't share accounts
 
@TimStone And how is that?
 
I tried reading through that thing one time, and....I just couldn't do it.
It just kept going.
 
@TimStone The want to read our EULAs? FINE! Prevent them from doing anything else! MWAHAHAHAHA!
 
Additionally, I'm just sure that there will be a provision about only being used at one time by so many copies, enforced through the app store at some indeterminate time in the future.
 
@drachenstern - Wait for Cydia for OS X, that'll be the day.
 
3:17 AM
So I would believe that "buy now use forever" but not the rest of it
@Moshe no
I see your point, but I refuse
I can be subversive in other ways.
remember @YiJiang's friend who had the virus and he wanted to say we were the goofy ones?
Well, you may not
 
i have to admit i have a crush on Sketchbook pro
 
The App Store is only going to help Mac's popularity a teensy bit.
But it will help
 
@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException Seriously man. I think that the iPhone one alone is like 96 pages. Then there's the iTunes one. Then there's the iTunes Store one. Then there's something additional from AT&T I think...
 
@Moshe When Macs were really unpopular back in the 90s, I wished more people used them. Now, I kinda miss the feeling like I was an elitist I had back then...
 
Part of Windows' popularity, vulnerability to virii and abundance of pirating sites is the wealth of software.
@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException - I was on Windows 3.1 then
 
3:19 AM
My first computer was an Apple IIc
 
This App store changes things a little, but i'll be cautious in making a blatant statement.
 
Hey there @Zypher. @drachenstern paged you in here to advise me on SANs
Specifically, I am considering getting the one my datacenter offers and waht to know what to ask them about it
 
So this store at doubletakemicrowear.com has this bathing suit doubletakemicrowear.com/avactis-images/v-string-450_0.jpg for sale and my friend says that it's not a bikini (that she would wear in public, but behind a privacy fence maybe ;) )
what do ya'll think? new trend that should be set? or "uh no"?
 
@TimStone - We, the people should hire a team of lawyers to secede from the Apple Union, force King Jobs off of his throne and take over Apple Country and set things right.
 
doubletakemicrounderwear?
Do I need to kill the VPN before clicking those links?
 
3:21 AM
If I had time, I'd be fine reading those EULAs.
 
@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException sure ... my first question what are you going to use it for?
 
I'm...good...
 
@Shog9 yes
sorry
she's talking to me on the other window :p
 
@Zypher I have a RAID10 now which is almost full. This is used to host VM images for web and database servers
 
Funniest thing was, I called the Apple Store to check on iWork's box price.
 
3:22 AM
For hosting small to medium eCommerce sites, CMSes, blogs, etc
 
@drachenstern curse you, low-res images!
 
The excuse I was given was that Apple needs to pay people to make the paper boxes.
 
I know to ask them about redundancy and speed, but beyond that I'm not sure
 
Hmm ok so are you hosting the DB's data inside a virtual drive or are you presenting via iSCSI or RDMs?
 
40 bucks?
How about Aperture?
ai'ight, night
 
3:23 AM
@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException computer OSs are just too damn usable now.
 
@Shog9 did you at least kill the VPN?
 
@Zypher At the moment, inside the VMs. I know this has a performance impact, but for us it's been working fine fo far.
 
uhg the word database makes my head hurt right now
 
When do you people sleep, btw?
 
@Moshe between the hours of then and later
 
3:23 AM
@Zypher comes when paged? Now I'm picturing a cute little puppy hehehe.
 
Never.
 
what's a sleep?
 
@drachenstern most definitely. I don't know that anything is logged, but it'd be a bad time to find out.
 
@RebeccaChernoff LOL!
 
haha most of the time @RebeccaChernoff
 
3:24 AM
Or a rovio...
 
@RebeccaChernoff ...With a shotgun.
2
 
@Shog9 indeed. The fact that I mentioned the debatibility of swimwear should've pointed out the (most likely) NSFW aspect of it ...
 
no rovio for you although now the accusations that @RebeccaChernoff haz teh codez are true now
@TimStone no frickin' lazers
 
since technically she was clothed, I'm not gonna say it was a terrible thing ;)
 
Hahah
 
3:25 AM
@RebeccaChernoff and you do too and you know it :p (I've done it twice now successfully)
 
@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException (man you need to shorten your name damnit) yea i mean we ran realtime telecom dbs under vms for a long time so i know it can be done
So, I would ask them what kind of connectivity it supports
 
ok, need to finish up so I can go home for the night ;)
 
Ah good, I only feel 15% dead now. Something must have worked. Which is weird, since I only have Motrin, tea, and Pepsi Throwback.
 
@drachenstern, You do realize now I'm just going to have ignore you, right?
 
I'm still lurking
 
3:26 AM
does it support snapshotting (is it extra?)
 
@Zypher In 24 days I'll shorten it...
 
@RebeccaChernoff you don't already??? SCORE!!!!!!!!!
 
@Zypher Awesome question.
 
@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException I keep telling you we have mods to do that for you
 
@Zypher @ + t + tab is a wonderful thing.
 
3:26 AM
@drachenstern They've all refused!
@RebeccaChernoff Awww, this must mean you like talking to me!
 
@RebeccaChernoff or @Zypher or @waffles or @balpha or @MarcGravell can someone shorten @TheNeedsMoarJqueryException's nick forcefully?
 
@RebeccaChernoff oh yes i use it but all i see is "The" on the left
 
@Zypher The (logo of my company)
 
His eyes just glaze over at the prospect of having to read that many more characters.
 
pokes @Jin are you there man ?
 
3:27 AM
haha
 
@TimStone don't all of ours?
 
@TimStone you didn't spend 7 hours talking to Brent Ozar about Databases today
 
@drachenstern My eyes glaze over a lot of things, so probably.
 
@drachenstern - I'll bet that Apple changes the rules in January 2012, depending on downloads, after 6 months of OS X Lion
And, I leave you folks with these two...
 
@Zypher I'm not even sure who who that is, so thankfully not.
 
3:28 AM
@Moshe I believe I already forecasted that :p
 
...wait for them...
 
14 mins ago, by drachenstern
@Reno it's Apple. The lifetime of the software will be next year when they change the ToS 16 times
 
@TimStone nutshell MS SQL Server MCM
 
@Moshe you like these too much. You can leave them alone :p
 
Ahhhhhhhh
 
3:29 AM
that makes our dbs more awesome
 
@drachenstern Yes, I was agreeing with you. And, I was forecasting based on a trial of Lion.
 
@Moshe oh, man... The humiliation of being stuck on Windows, with no support for re-downloading apps.
 
@Zypher \o/
 
@Shog9 - No, the humiliation of being stuck on windows having to call Rajesh for support, when Apple users can bring it to an Apple store just a short drive away. :P
 
@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException oh also what options to they have for disks ... SSD, 15k,10k,7.2k ... do they let you do tiering ... are you required to by thier disk (almost certainly yes)
 
3:30 AM
@drachenstern Last one... (...wait for it...)
 
@Zypher Yeah, I'm debating between using their SAN or getting a 128GB SSD
 
well ... what model is it?
128GB that's it?
 
Okay, night.
Really.
 
@Moshe WAIT!
 
I'm out. closes window
@Zypher - what?
 
3:31 AM
nothing
 
We will probably be upgrading this server in 2 - 6 months anyway, so an SSD would buy me time and performance, the SAN would buy me time and would also help with the upgrade
 
@Zypher - Are you trying to tempt me? Because i come from the land of plenty.
 
Later @Moshe :-)
 
yes yes i am ... i can dance if it would help
@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException what performance issues are you seeing now?
 
..waits... leaves for real
 
3:32 AM
What bizarre Wheat Thins commercials..
 
performance is pretty much fine, except for one VM which has high load and no reason, has for over a year and we're about to drop it. The issue is, our existing RAID10 is almost full, and we don't need to upgrade the server just yet since, aside from RAID< it's just fine for us
@Zypher If we get an SSD, that will give us some extra space, and also more performance, allowing us to stick on this server even longer. We want to move to a managed VMware solution, to take some of the burden off of me
 
@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException ahh yea we had a vm like that had to give it 4 vCPUs and it ran them 100% 24x7 worked fine under physical HW at my last job ...
yea ... i mean you're really going to want to get one of the Itel -E series SSDs for that workload
 
@Zypher If we had more space, we could re-create this VM. I think something's screwy with the OS
it doesn't do anything but a few email accounts at this point (Exim on CentOS) and it's load as over 10 most of today. PIMA...
 
@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException what OS is it running?
 
CentOS 4.8, with cPanel
 
3:37 AM
ok, have you tried compiling the tools from source?
i've seen that help
also how man vCPU's ... funilly enough presenting more can casue WORSE performance
 
anyone else getting random chat timeouts...?
by tools, do you mean the VMware Tools?
 
ja
 
sorry, getting odd chat timeouts
 
yea it seems a bit ... sluggish for me
 
I'm not sure if they were compiled from source before. I will try that, thanks!
 
3:39 AM
i blame a combination of @balpha and @marc
yep - also if they were and the kernel got upgraded that will send performance into the crapper too
 
@Zypher I had horrible problems when we first went VMware and we had multi-CPU machines. Now, everything is 1 vCPU only
 
make sure you do it during downtime it WILL unload the network driver
 
@Zypher balpharc!
 
i leared that one the hard way
@RebeccaChernoff YES!
 
@RebeccaChernoff balpharchern?
 
3:40 AM
@Zypher ROFLOL. I had just typed vmware-config-tools.pl and almost inniedietly ^C ed remembering that
 
That just doesn't have quite the same ring to it. (;
 
I bet, I bet. ;)
 
@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException yes ... ahh causing 7000 fast busies ... I avoided my boss the rest of the day
 
@Zypher I just saw the notify on my SuperMultiCollider ... apparently this 8 second delay or whatever is too fast for me to see all notifies :(
 
Say wha?
 
3:42 AM
@drachenstern I think chat is struggling
 
status-norepro
 
meta post or it didn't happen
 
@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException or it could be the 8 second disappear is too fast?
 
Southern United States + Zypher: UNSUPPORTED
 
status-you-and-your-fancy-internets
 
3:43 AM
@TimStone thankfully Southern United States + drachenstern: SUPPORTED
 
I do love me my FiOS..
 
\o/ I have finally managed to successfully untangle the mess of cords from my previous setup.
 
@RebeccaChernoff That's the hardest part!
 
Now I just need to put it all back together again...oof.
 
@RebeccaChernoff why woudl you do that ... it'sll just get tangled again
 
3:43 AM
People stop saying funny things and making me use up all my stars!
 
No, no. This desk has cable management q:
 
hahaha
 
@RebeccaChernoff Also, I saw the predecessor to your desk. It's not terrible. :P
 
well ... mine has a motor!
 
@TimStone, ?
 
3:44 AM
Well mine has THREE MONITORS!
 
sigh all i have is a 30" and a 20"
:(
 
Someone happened to have an older desk that they bought at Staples that looks like it was a previous edition of the set that you bought.
 
damnit apple stop taking my money
 
@Zypher don't let me fool you. I have a 23 1080p, a 19 900p and a 21 4:3
 
3:46 AM
Mine has three monitors too \o/
 
@Zypher What are they tempting you with now?
 
walking home ya'll
 
@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException No, part of their EULA is that Steve Jobs can randomly come to your house and take cash out of your wallet.
5
Fine print man, fine print.
 
@TimStone I'm flagging this as inappropriate as it's clearly an attempt to make me jealous.
 
if I'm not back in 20 minutes, send a search party
 
3:47 AM
@TimStone ROFLMAO
 
Will do.
 
@drachenstern Where are you going again?
 
Hmm. I see monitor cable length being an issue here. >_<
 
@TimStone that does deserve a +1
1 min ago, by drachenstern
walking home ya'll
 
@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException angry birds on my mac mini
 
3:48 AM
@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException Sorry. :P
 
@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException lmao
 
@drachenstern When you get home isn't wifey waiting? I don't think you'll be back here, nor should we search for you ;-)
 
Someone should yell at me later and remind me to play WwF. In other news, Drop7 is still hella addicting. |:
Speaking of app store games. (;
 
@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException dinner.
I didn't say I was gonna be around all night
 
I'm sure we can remember to yell in your direction.
 
3:49 AM
Haha.
 
@RebeccaChernoff yea ... i just upgraded from my Gen 1 iPod to the lastest and greatest
 
Also, damn you Eclipse for foiling my plans.
 
it was safer when I just couldn't isntall anything
@TimStone eh?
 
I just can't put that damn game down!
 
3:50 AM
@Zypher The Eclipse whining, or? :P
 
@TimStone eclipse whining
 
I aliased some variables for use in this Excel report generating class, because the way you specify colours in Excel files is apparently idiotic.
 
Eclipse is a whiny bitch. NetBeans always coos to me about my syntax errors and SVN conflicts...
 
And I wanted to swap over the old code to the new variable aliases..
So I put comments on the variables, but Eclipse didn't want to show them in the autocomplete.
 
@TimStone Did you quit and relaunch?
 
3:53 AM
@TimStone real men don't us eautocomplete
 
bah, I just did an SVN commit and misspelled "version"
 
Hahah
 
@Zypher or spell check, apparently ;-)
 
@TimStone EXACTALLY!
 
Oh by the way before insulting you @Zypher let me thank you for your advice ;-)
oh wait. that should have been before the spell check comment. DOH
 
3:55 AM
Actually, you insulted first. I approve.
 
@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException no worries you can always pop into the comms room during normal business hours too
 
@Zypher Yeah, I was going to do that tomorrow. I haven't been in there in a while. Last time Kyle gave me some great advice on... something else. Nagios I think
Actually that's a new one, last time I was there it was still chat.serverfault.com
 
haha yea
yea we merged everything but chat.so and chat.mso to chat.se
 
I love ServerFault :-D
I need to answer more SF questions, I haven't spent much time on SF at all recently, makes me sad
 
Jin
@Reno i'm here
 
3:59 AM
@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException, do the 10k challenge (:
 
@TheNeedsMoarJqueryException thenubbyadmin.com/2011/01/04/…
 
There was talk of merging chat.mso to chat.se, but apparently we're too special
 
@RebeccaChernoff we should do some sort of prize for the person in that challenge that gains the most rep
 
@RebeccaChernoff Ha, if only. I will never attain 10k on SF.
 
Ha! I was going to ask you for that link @Zypher. (:
 
3:59 AM
@MichaelMrozek not in the good way
 
speshul
 

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