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12:01 AM

Heh

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> Erotic is when you use a feather. Exotic is when you use the whole chicken.

ok, userscript peoples. can we get rid of the 90 minute delay when I accidentally type /{unknown command} on the chatbox? ... going to dig into code now I can see I need to submit a diff

Tim Stone

Yeah, I was going to take care of that because it annoys me too.

badp

YAY!

I only lost 20 reps to the cap.

Tim Stone

Well, not that one specifically, but the general "this notification refuses to go away forever"

@badp Whew

badp

and guess what we have here:

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Q: userXXXX's profile pages do not show the user names.

Possible Duplicate: Users with no display name has no display name on user profile Here's an example:

Rebecca Chernoff

12:03 AM

@badp you actually hit a rep cap for once? (;

badp

A +20 dupe that needs obliteration! \o/

@RebeccaChernoff Actually I already have. Sigh.

That day I earned a full 4 rep.

Tim Stone

@badp You crafty SOB, well played. ;)

badp

@TimStone bows

Tim Stone

applauds

Pollyanna

@badp - Are you using an arrow tool, rather than fine quality, hand crafted arrows? For shame!

badp

12:10 AM

@Pollyanna I hand crafted everything else

the arrow tool was required for the hand crafted rainbow effect.

Pollyanna

And I thought I knew you!

Also, get your barbs in before I pull my nomination: stackoverflow.com/election#post-4730219

badp

@Pollyanna What's that Davis guy?

Pollyanna

badp Who knows! He's never on.

Tim Stone

@badp For shame! I even hand-craft my jagged edges...with the freeform lasso tool. And now dinner!

badp

drachenstern

12:13 AM

ok, so showNotification(ul, 10E3); says it should run for 10000 milliseconds, which is incredibly long. Additionally, the two slows are adding another 1.2 seconds. Can we batch update the 10E3 to 5E3?

@Pollyanna stackoverflow.com/election#post-4730060 don't pull yours just cos of all that mess :p

Pollyanna

@drachenstern I think you need more formatting to catch the eye.

drachenstern

Either that or I'll figure out what exactly it'll take to hack in a ESC to the showNotification script to allow removing it quickly. Actually, that may not be a bad fix instead

@Pollyanna indeed. I barely played with it. I have at least 24 hours before it'll completely be too late. I'll do it after dinner tonight.

Pollyanna

@drachenstern As if dinner were more important. feh!

drachenstern

@Pollyanna you're right, ok, after I leave the office?

badp

in The Bridge on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 58 secs ago, by Feeds

Stack Overflow Blog: Trilogy 2011 Elections Begin

Posted by Jeff Atwood on January 18th, 2011

After vetting the new, improved election process on math.stackexchange.com we’re ready for the next big step: 2011 community moderator elections on Stack Overflow, Server Fault, and Super User.

If you’ve ever thought to yourself, “Hey, I’d make a great community moderator!” — now is your chance to nominate yourself:

Don’t worry — all our excellent community moderators on the trilogy will carry on as moderators. It’s only on new Stack Exchange 2.0 sites with Pro Tem Moderators that existing moderators must run in the first election to continue their terms. …

Pollyanna

12:34 AM

Conveniently held prior to [banned user]'s ban is lifted... ;-P

badp

durbster.co.uk/media.php?media_id=7

Tim Stone

> You've earned the "Fanatic" badge. See your profile.

Victory.

drachenstern

12:52 AM

Yatta!

Do. Not. Taunt. The. HappyFunBall. You have been warned.

Also, you just lost The Game. You're welcome.

Pollyanna

@TimStone - We always knew you were a fanatic at heart - you never really needed the badge to prove it to us!

Tim Stone

Naturally. But collecting shinies seems to fit the theme of Gaming quite well, so I consider it a plus.

0

Q: Netflix Access Control

Let's say I have this rather, erm, curious brother of mine, and on our Netflix subscription, he's been watching Mythbusters: Biggest Explosions, Clifford's Really Big Movie, Arrested Development etc. none of which I, my mom, or my sister really want to let him watch. But he has the remote/mouse/c...

netflix parental-controls access-control

OK, I was with him right up until Clifford's Really Big Movie

George Marian

1:50 AM

lol

drachenstern

stackoverflow.com/election/#post-4730827

> I would like to nominate myself as the "anti-meta" candidate.

<.<

>.>

ehwut?

Tim Stone

> I've seen the same issue when doing this with an iOS device. – Michael Petrotta

Petrotta for mod!

Closing questions from an iOS device, now there's some dedication.

drachenstern

@TimStone hey, I do that too! I comment and answer and edit from an iOS device as well (hint: it runs on 3G but has the crappiest 3G specs of any iOS device)

Michael Petrotta

@TimStone: heh, I thought about it. Maybe will throw my hat in the ring.

drachenstern

I hear JonSkeet does it from Android ...

@MichaelPetrotta I did ;)

Tim Stone

1:56 AM

@MichaelPetrotta Why not? :)

Michael Petrotta

@TimStone: no reason, really. I have seven days, though. Let me see how best to play you all...

Tim Stone

@drachenstern I'm confused what this "groupthink" bit is about, honestly...

Michael Petrotta

It is an iPad, though. The best platform on which to play scrabble.

Why isn't my package here?!? 6pm, what the heck?

drachenstern

@TimStone yeah, you'll notice I'm already upvoted thrice on there ... something to be said

Tim Stone

@MichaelPetrotta Did you make sure it's not sitting outside somewhere? Heh, apparently UPS doesn't feel like ringing my doorbell anymore.

drachenstern

1:59 AM

nomination for mod and no questions whatsoever? ... I smell a doubleaccount

Joshua Nozzi, New Market, Maryland, USA

11.9k 1 6 17

cocoa objective-c iphone mac core-data osx xcode

@MichaelPetrotta do you have a tracking #?

Michael Petrotta

going downstairs to check now

drachenstern

and no linked accounts as well

Tim Stone

Hey, I don't have any questions either! ;)

Michael Petrotta

@drachenstern: still "out for delivery".

Tim Stone

Mainly because I can actually use the search, but..heh.

Michael Petrotta

2:01 AM

and not on my stoop

Tim Stone

The truck is probably sitting in the line at McDonald's right now. :P

drachenstern

@TimStone still a tad fishy ... that's all I'm saying

Michael Petrotta

"Michael, mentor this person".
Ok. *googles "how to mentor"*

Tim Stone

If I had to mentor someone, they'd probably finish more confused than they started.

drachenstern

So then it's to my benefit that I started a tutoring/mentoring program (and have a logo'ed messenger bag for my efforts) at the 2year where I got my AAS CS ?

knows a thing or one about mentoring

Michael Petrotta

2:06 AM

@drachenstern: fill my brain

drachenstern

lol, nooooo, not my secret weapon!

I was actually debating putting some of that stuff in my proposal/nomination, now you guys have cemented that I should

I foresee a complete rewrite by the end of the week

Michael Petrotta

seems pretty relevant, yep

drachenstern

In the meanwhile I have a 40-hour budgeted project to go finish

I'm at hour 10

Michael Petrotta

come on, man! Priorities! Get yourself over to SO!

Tim Stone

What's the point of a job if you can't be mod?!

drachenstern

2:08 AM

lol, I know, I know, but that whole paycheck thing is really really nice in the winter when it gets cold

Altho with the time I spend waiting on VS I probably could have it rewritten by tonight midnight

Michael Petrotta

UPS is here! Shiny new i7! runs downstairs

drachenstern

woohoo

wow, waiwai got onto finn as well ... lol, wow

also, 6upvotes on my "no meta == no elect"

I should really start posting these comments as answers more often >.>

waiwai933

Is it a good thing that I see my name mentioned the moment I come into chat?

drachenstern

lol, I hope so ;)

Michael Petrotta

I had to bail waiwai out last night

depends

imgur.com/AUzQr

the heck?

drachenstern

2:21 AM

Yeah, I'm jealous

Michael Petrotta

did the pick come through for you? I'm a dork either way.

drachenstern

what do you mean the heck? the paste?

no, I clicked the link

imgur.com/AUzQr

Michael Petrotta

imgur.com/AUzQr

drachenstern

It doesn't recognize it as a picture

needs the .jpg extension

Michael Petrotta

thanks, @drachenstern.

drachenstern

2:23 AM

that's for @Jin yes with his baconish?

Tim Stone

@waiwai933 Just means you're popular, I suppose

drachenstern

Tim Stone

@MichaelPetrotta Nice :)

drachenstern

see michael douglas' face!

Michael Petrotta

and he's the "mature" one.

drachenstern

2:25 AM

This one has to be a fake ...

Michael Petrotta

browsing reddit today?

drachenstern

nah, imgur

ritholtz.com/blog/2011/01/is-china-really-funding-the-us-debt

scroll down and read the block at the top of the comments

> Comments Please use the comments to demonstrate your own ignorance, unfamiliarity with empirical data, ability to repeat discredited memes, and lack of respect for scientific knowledge. Also, be sure to create straw men and argue against things I have neither said nor even implied. Any irrelevancies you can mention will also be appreciated. Lastly, kindly forgo all civility in your discourse . . . you are, after all, anonymous.

Michael Petrotta

Heh. My brain skipped right over that, after "Please use the comments to", assuming it was the standard "be civil" boilerplate.

drachenstern

gifs are fun and only tell part of the story :D

bad @drachenstern

Michael Petrotta

2:41 AM

ok... that's my cue to exit chat. unless someone wants to post a few dozen lines to scroll this off the top.

Tim Stone

summons @RebeccaChernoff to nuke it from orbit

drachenstern

damnit, you gotta @me on stuff like that and I will

I can't flag it either

have ya'll tried flagging it?

Tim Stone

It's too late now though :P

drachenstern

Yeah I know, that's why I said ya gotta @me ...

I thought it was an interesting story half told

Michael Petrotta

It's... mesmerizing now...

I can't look away

Tim Stone

2:43 AM

It was, it's just...animated...and giffy.

It annoys me that pressing esc only kills animated pngs, heh.

drachenstern

Tim Stone

\o/

drachenstern

lol, did that really deserve a "bad drachenstern"? ... I would've been ok with a smack or something :p

my thanks to the lady then :D

Michael Petrotta

did someone flag it? wasn't me

drachenstern

or should it be a (:

@MichaelPetrotta no, rchern edited it

Michael Petrotta

2:45 AM

ah. flies in, works her magic, flies out

Rebecca Chernoff

(:

Tim Stone

Apparently she's grown bored of our antics now that she has all of that power ;)

drachenstern

indeed

Dan Grossman

Reno

codinghorror.com/blog/2009/07/meta-is-murder.html

If meta is murder

are we murderers ?

drachenstern

2:50 AM

I think so.

Dan Grossman

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drachenstern

0

Q: Netflix Access Control

Let's say I have this rather, erm, curious brother of mine, and on our Netflix subscription, he's been watching Mythbusters: Biggest Explosions, Clifford's Really Big Movie, Arrested Development etc. none of which I, my mom, or my sister really want to let him watch. But he has the remote/mouse/c...

netflix parental-controls access-control

he responded

Reno

thank you dan :D

Michael Petrotta

I share the answerer's confusion.

Tim Stone

@drachenstern I am no closer to understanding than I was before. o_o

drachenstern

2:53 AM

Do you want your (let's pretend and say) 5 year old child watching rock videos with trippy acid visuals that can cause a seizure in an as-yet-not-fully-developed brain?

Dan Grossman

Is Netflix Parental Controls the right way to decide what that 5 year old sees? What about not giving them the remote?!

Reno

pun coon anyone ?

drachenstern

@DanGrossman I think that's the right answer to the question

Michael Petrotta

not again

Reno

Tim Stone

3:02 AM

shakes head

Dan Grossman

hehe

Michael Petrotta

why was it wrong, @Reno?

Rebecca Chernoff

...

Reno

these are so lame i cant stop laughing

ouch

Rebecca Chernoff

Laughing is not coming to mind...

Michael Petrotta

3:03 AM

um, Rebecca, save us from ourselves?

Rebecca Chernoff

@DanGrossman |:

Dan Grossman

@RebeccaChernoff FIRST AMENDMENT!! I R CALLING THE PRESIDENT!

Tim Stone

@MichaelPetrotta I was thinking we'd step to the side and point fingers at everyone else. :P

Michael Petrotta

sounds like fun.

drachenstern

Hey hey don't look at me, I quit after we had to call the cavalry ...

Tim Stone

3:05 AM

Hahah

Rebecca Chernoff

):

drachenstern

why the ):

Dan Grossman

That just makes me wonder what used to be there even more...

Michael Petrotta

I've learned to be grateful. That cliche, there are some things you can't unsee? Totally true.

Moshe

Riddles anyone?

drachenstern

3:13 AM

@Moshe no

@MichaelPetrotta I concur. I won't mention those things I wish I could unsee so as to prevent you all from reseeing them, but I'm sure you're all thinking the same things I am ... or worse :\

Dan Grossman

drachenstern

@DanGrossman it's like a bad train wreck isn't it?

Dan Grossman

I have yet to see something I want to unsee, but that's partly because I haven't been able to make it through things like "2 girls 1 cup" without closing the window a few seconds in

Michael Petrotta

@drachenstern: yep. My brain just went to two places, and I'm grateful I never saw a popular third.

@Dan: that's the third.

Dan Grossman

Did anyone see the episode of Tosh.0 where they film the studio audience watching that clip?

You don't see the video, just their reactions

Moshe

3:15 AM

Ok

drachenstern

@DanGrossman see, the thing about not mentioning those things is not having to think about them ...

Dan Grossman

You saw it then? Heh.

drachenstern

@DanGrossman I never watched that video more than about 3 seconds ... I've heard there were reasons to finish it, but I couldn't try

Dan Grossman

:shudders and closes reddit:

Michael Petrotta

dinnertime. later all.

Yi Jiang

3:20 AM

@drachenstern I've always thought that the response to that is "She doesn't do :("

drachenstern

@YiJiang lol

Yi Jiang

Ahahahhaha... saveie6.com/index.php

Tim Stone

> You have been mislead by a vocal minority and are using chrome, which is clearly an inferior web browser to IE6. Please switch to IE6 and sign our petition.

drachenstern

damnit, beat me by seconds

Yi Jiang

@TimStone Definitely man! Save IE6!

Tim Stone

3:25 AM

Perhaps more amusing is this one:

> You have been mislead by a vocal minority and are using msie, which is clearly an inferior web browser to IE6. Please switch to IE6 and sign our petition.

Yi Jiang

@TimStone Wait, they actually have that? Ha!

Tim Stone

IE6 > IE9

drachenstern

lmao

Tim Stone

> Without IE6, a 40 hour web design project might only be a 30 hour web design project. Please don't put me out of work in this economy.

2

Josh

Well the Boston Bruins beat the Carolina Hurricanes. But that's OK, being born in Boston I still count that as a win!

Tim Stone

3:28 AM

It was a no-lose scenario, my favourite kind.

Josh

The rest of the people I was with were less enthusiastic :-)

@TimStone exactly!

Tim Stone

Nothing a few after-game drinks can't solve.

Josh

This is true

Now for some video games and then off to bed for me. Catch you guys later!

Tim Stone

Enjoy, and good night!

Yi Jiang

:(

Just when I pop in, everybody leaves

Is it because I smell?

Tim Stone

3:33 AM

I'm not going anywhere, if it makes you feel better. I'd sure like to play Forza, but I need to get this work done (finally) first..

...I hope not.

drachenstern

I'm not gone just yet

Yi Jiang

14

Q: Why are so many nominations greyed out

On the election page many nominations appear grey and are locked (no commenting possible), were those retracted by the authors or what happened to them?

support election

I don't see this happening...?

Tim Stone

They're now removed, instead of greyed out.

Yi Jiang

Oh, okay

drachenstern

but it's naturally feedback that's gotta happen :\

question, if you get mod on SO, do you get mod on MSO by extension?

Tim Stone

3:40 AM

@drachenstern Moderators on the trilogy sites were automatically made MSO moderators as well.

drachenstern

spiffy

Tim Stone

Sorry, correction.

drachenstern

So SU/SF mods get MSO mod?

Ahh, so new policy then?

Yi Jiang

But apparently not for SE 2.0 sites

Tim Stone

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A: Should Stack Exchange moderators automatically be meta.so moderators too?

The current plan is that only trilogy moderators are made moderators here on meta.so. Because each new site has its own per-site meta (including Server Fault and Super User), that is no longer true. The current list of meta.so moderators will probably be grandfathered in, but we won't add any m...

Yi Jiang

3:41 AM

@drachenstern It's always been like that, no?

drachenstern

I was only curious about the trilogy

I don' think SE2.0 mods should necessarily be MSO mods

Yi Jiang

Oh, so new S(U|F) mods won't be MSO mods too then

drachenstern

It would appear only SO gets a special meta, so then I would think that they would work like regular SE2.0 sites

Tim Stone

I think Marc is giving a tip of the hat to @RebeccaChernoff, heheh. :P

Err...Damn you ..me...for forgetting I copied a new link

Though I suppose WebApps never had an election, right? Details, details.

Yi Jiang

Ahahahahaha...

RTL control characters FTW!

Tim Stone

3:45 AM

Hahah, nice

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone Marc's an elected mod on SO and was well before becoming an employee.

Tim Stone

Oh. So he was boasting. ;)

That is pretty impressive, though :)

3

Q: Undo Vote Arrows UX

I find the user experience of having to click the same arrow (up or down) to undo a vote counter-intuitive. I would expect to click the opposite arrow to undo a vote i.e. if I have up-voted I would expect to click the down arrow to undo my vote. Maybe it's just me, but this gets me regularly. W...

feature-request voting user-interface

New rule. If you want to talk about user experience, just say that.

Every time I see UX, I think HP.

Michael Mrozek

I think Unix, which is also confusing

Tim Stone

Well, right.

drachenstern

I read it as UX which is entirely confusing ...

Yi Jiang

3:48 AM

@TimStone Disagree with that, I find clicking on the button again to toggle the state of my vote as perfectly acceptable

Tim Stone

@YiJiang I do too

Dan Grossman

I don't

+1 to the question

drachenstern

I think any arrow click should nullify the previous arrow click and "reset" the vote

Tim Stone

I mean, the arrow even tells you to click again to undo...so eh.

Yi Jiang

> Diamond moderators are human exception handlers.

Haha

Dan Grossman

3:49 AM

My speakers are turned up and arrows have never talked to me before :(

Tim Stone

Maybe they're afraid of you :(

Yi Jiang

They're just shy, move your mouse over them to signal that it's fine, and they'll spill the beans!

drachenstern

I love programmers who don't know that they're wrong and want to tell me that I'm wrong when I happen to know the damned language better than them

-1

A: How do I access a public page variable from the master page?

Define a variable in your master page. Give it proper getter/setters. In each page call the master.setter and "pass the variable into" the master page. At the very least you're going about it wrong, but this is what you have to do.

Tim Stone

O_o

Yi Jiang

Hmm... there seem to be a bug with how the 10k tools handle flagged comments on mod candidate postings

Michael Mrozek

3:55 AM

@YiJiang I was considering a feature-request to not allow those at all, actually

Yi Jiang

@MichaelMrozek Possibly, but since it does so right now, and is apparently bugging out, I think I'll just post a bug report

Actually, scratch that... it's a minor interface bug and probably not worth fixing

Wow, the number of candidates is huge. Hmmm...

Dan Grossman

I wonder if you can use genetic programming to evolve a random number generator from a language subset not including any built-in random number generators

driving my TV over HDMI seems to be warming up this laptop quite a bit

drachenstern

So in other words you want to implement something like a merseinne twister in a bit of genetic? That should be doable

being one of the most advanced kids in the CS program had it's advantages, like getting the effed up assignments that required me to learn all sorts of new algos ... :\

Also, I should be nicer to my OPs when I post answers, revisit link above :|

Dan Grossman

What are the chances of coming up with that algorithm though? It's so specific, what if it took longer to evolve than the time until the sun consumes the earth?

drachenstern

I was thinking that you would do like DNA, and give it a kickstart

suggest it what the algo would look like

waiwai933

4:11 AM

@DanGrossman You sound just like Hari Seldon—"possible but impractical"

drachenstern

I'm now a Pundit

interesting

Tim Stone

yawns and runs integration tests

Jonathan Leffler

4:32 AM

Would anyone care to comment on meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/75377/…? Is it really going to be a threshold-less 'anyone can edit anything' free-for-all? Who gets to decide whether edits are sensible and should be accepted? Will people with 10K+ (actually, the threshold for editing posts is less than that) be able to make edits as now, or what?

I hope it was coincidence that two people left when I hit return...

Yi Jiang

@JonathanLeffler That's only the background to the question, the actual feature hasn't even been discussed yet

Rebecca Chernoff

@JonathanLeffler Read the comments on the question.

Yi Jiang

It has been hinted to in the past, but I don't recall any discussion questions asked by the team about it

Jonathan Leffler

@Yi Jiang: so the question is "what diff format should be used"?

Yi Jiang

@JonathanLeffler Yes

Jonathan Leffler

4:34 AM

OK...I grabbed hold of the wrong information and went flying down the Pub (sorry, Tavern) worried ...

Yi Jiang

@Marc @balpha Did you guys say that you pushed out the proposed changes to chat notification?

Jonathan Leffler

when I didn't need to be worried.

Rebecca Chernoff

@Yi you tell us.

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Nope.

No highlighting, nor notification

I thought they did roll it out

Rebecca Chernoff

Well maybe you just need to add a letter (:

Yi Jiang

4:37 AM

@RebeccaChernoff Holds up giant "Yi" No I don't

waiwai933

Quick Q about elections: Anyone have any objections to me starting a post based on this one?

Yi Jiang

@waiwai933 Did Meta have one for the last elections?

I don't think there are enough contentious issues with SOFU that would warrant something like that, but that's just me

waiwai933

@YiJiang I was thinking because of the extreme number of nominees, it might be nice to have something to define those users that some people might not be familiar with.

Michael Mrozek

@waiwai933 I thought about it and then thought about the "extreme number of nominees" and realized it would be a circus

waiwai933

In any case, I have some questions I'd like to ask, but I don't want to be the only one.

Yi Jiang

4:43 AM

@waiwai933 True, true, but I'm afraid it might become a repeat of the nominations page, only messier

Michael Mrozek

Maybe we should have a convention of people answering the questions in their nomination instead of in answers?

So votes don't have an effect and whatnot

drachenstern

I don't have a problem with it but I see it being a circus too

@MichaelMrozek I figured that's what was going to happen before I saw the thread

waiwai933

I was thinking asking for a CW question post, so that each user could post 1 question in the actual question, and then each nominee have an answer post

drachenstern

I would suggest that. "If a nominee wants to answer, they can edit the bottom of their post (or whatever) and use an <ol> to add responses" or something like that

@waiwai933 a circus I tell you

Yi Jiang

Would the format used in this post be okay?

9

A: List of questions for candidates in 2010 moderator election

My questions: Would you seek re-election after a certain period of time? (An year/ 6 months). Is homework allowed? Is there any distinction between school and college level homework? Would you close questions proactively, or would you rather wait until somebody flags for moderator attention? I...

Jonathan Leffler

4:44 AM

Maybe the nominee should point at what they consider their best answers and/or questions?

Michael Mrozek

@waiwai933 But you don't want one user's answers to be above the others because they got upvoted more, and you'll have ~40 answers, which will drive it into multiple pages

Jonathan Leffler

Which might or might not be the same as what the community thinks.

Yi Jiang

A single CW answer for each question, then the candidates fill in after that with edits

Michael Mrozek

It should theoretically be like the nomination thread itself -- one page, random order, no votes

waiwai933

Maybe not do this and fold it into a feature-request?

Michael Mrozek

4:45 AM

@YiJiang That might actually work

Yi Jiang

@waiwai933 It worked for Math, I wonder if it will here. If the question gets popular enough, then you could do a feature-req

Michael Mrozek

@waiwai933 It would be better if the election system supported it natively, but if you want it for these elections there won't be time

@YiJiang Math had 5 nominees :)

drachenstern

I say have the nominees edit their own posts

Yi Jiang

@MichaelMrozek Hehehe, and more contentious issues, too.

Michael Petrotta

No, I'm not sure!

Tim Stone

4:50 AM

Ouch, the iPhone version doesn't seem to have that issue

Michael Petrotta

@Tim: yep. Luckily, everything on the board not red functions as "Cancel".

Tim Stone

Ah, whew. ;)

Michael Mrozek

Fosco is currently beating me 144 to 49; I'm surprised it hasn't just auto-resigned and put me out of my misery

George Marian

@MichaelPetrotta 'Cause that's so obvious...

Yi Jiang

What to have for lunch... what to have for lunch... what to have for lunch...?

drachenstern

4:53 AM

@MichaelMrozek Tim's beating me by over two hundred

Michael Petrotta

@George: I've run into this a few times. First time, "force quit! force quit!"

drachenstern

I mean ... over nine THOUSAND!!!!!!!!

Tim Stone

Hah :P

drachenstern

speaking of, I should play in that game

Yi Jiang

fretting

Michael Petrotta

4:55 AM

@YiJiang: spins the wheel Reuben sandwich.

Tim Stone

@MichaelPetrotta Delicious.

drachenstern

Where is the latest WoB?

Tim Stone

Now I want one...if only I was in Philly where I could have one delivered at this hour..

drachenstern

I realize that's a rather blasphemous question anda ll ...

Yi Jiang

@MichaelPetrotta Definitely can't get that here. Now where's the Wheel of Lunchtime Menu so that I can spin it myself?

drachenstern

4:56 AM

oooh, me and rchern neck n neck on this game :D

Michael Petrotta

@drachenstern: World of Bras?

Yi Jiang

@MichaelPetrotta Wheel o' Blame :P

drachenstern

My thanks to the lady for the gift of a TW :D

Tim Stone

@YiJiang That's rather unfortunate. The Reuben is clearly king of sandwiches.

drachenstern

not that it HELPED :(

Yi Jiang

4:57 AM

@drachenstern jsfiddle.net/yijiang/AYPpF/24/embedded/result I've snucked Tim and Josh in there too

Tim Stone

As blasphemous as that is.

Rebecca Chernoff

...24?!

I have #4 bookmarked

Michael Petrotta

@YiJiang: I spun the wheel for real, in my zipcode. It turned up IHop. Don't listen to it.

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff I don't think you want this one, it's OK.

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Because somebody, cough cough used rev. 5-23 for early versions of the WoM

drachenstern

4:59 AM

anybody wanna take over my Sallie Mae?

Rebecca Chernoff

Ah, wonder who did that. (;

Michael Petrotta

"It's the Server's Fault!" Hehe.

Yi Jiang

@MichaelPetrotta Clearly the server gained sentience and bombarded the jsfiddle page with Update requests

@TimStone I... need to stop looking at the picture of the sandwich on the Wikipedia page - it's making me hungry

Tim Stone

I told you, it's delicious. Even in picture form.

Rebecca Chernoff

I have no vowels in a game. THDTNSY

Y doesn't count. >_<

Tim Stone

5:04 AM

I hear YI doesn't count either.

Also, how dare WwF not accept POGO as a word.

2

Yi Jiang

@TimStone Oy.

2

Michael Petrotta

Let's go see if BofA has unborked my mortgage.

drachenstern

@MichaelPetrotta of course not ...

Michael Petrotta

Sorry, spoke too soon. No response, they have another day according to their SLA.

drachenstern

waitasecond

GNU? >.>

Tim Stone

5:12 AM

Yeah?

Where'd you think they got the logo from? :P

drachenstern

mumbles

@TimStone oh I'm familiar, just didn't expect to see it cropping up here

Tim Stone

Ah, hahah

drachenstern

What I wouldn't give for VS to be faster with my current projects ... an SSD perhaps?

Michael Petrotta

:-)

Yi Jiang

@drachenstern RAM disk VS?

drachenstern

5:14 AM

seriously ... this thing is SLOW

I've got 3GB RAM and only usually touch 1.5GB ~ 2GB

granted, it's XP

and I've been begging for 7 ... I wouldn't mind a laptop with 7 and an SSD for my dev work, hooked up to my nice large monitor

Yi Jiang

I mean, sticking VS into a RAM disk would surely be even fster than getting a SSD?

Michael Petrotta

@RebeccaChernoff: wanna know a great word for your letters?

drachenstern

@MichaelPetrotta besides synth?

Michael Petrotta

...

drachenstern

durn

just don't tell her about NTH cos then she'll play it right next to OY and it'll be all ... WTF

ok people I've mucked about too much in this office, I'm walking across the street

ttyl

Michael Petrotta

5:18 AM

later

Rebecca Chernoff

nowhere to play synth. but i was able to get a double word on 2 words just by playing an S hehe

though my next turn will hurt |:

Michael Petrotta

I've got a delicious TW, two TL, some high-point letters, AND I CAN'T DO ANYTHING

Tim Stone

I'm just waiting for moves, heheh.

And the noise just startled me, lmao

Good game @RebeccaChernoff

Need to remember to leave myself vowels to play off of, heh, had a bit of trouble placing those medium point tiles towards the end.

Reno

5:39 AM

aweso.me is taken :[

nevermind

5:58 AM

D'aawww

kawaii

Apparently, it's the "in" thing for regulars here to nominate themselves :) @YiJiang and @radp, what are you waiting for? :)

drachenstern

6:16 AM

Doesn't that make sense @Benj?

Benjol

@drachenstern, yes, it probably does. I'd love to nominate myself, but I don't think I can promise to dedicate the necessary time.

'cos I spend too much of it here! :)

drachenstern

When did they up it to 6802 and did the blog get updated?

No they didnt

Anyways, pillowtime. Asta la mañana

Benjol

nightynight

Marc Gravell

@YiJiang IIRC there were some changes, but it isn't complete so far. From memory.

Benjol

6:35 AM

@MarcGravell, if you're still there. Could you take a look at my question here:

1

Q: Is there any way to save an XmlDocument *without* indentation and line returns?

Possible Duplicate: How to remove whitespace from an XmlDocument All my searches have brought up people asking the opposite, but I have a file which grows by nearly 50% if it is saved with line returns and indentation. Is there any way round this?

c# .net xmldocument

Marc Gravell

XmlWriterSettings

Benjol

It got closed as a dupe, but the other question is about opening a file, whereas I'm talking about saving

for some weird reason, if you open XmlDocument with PreserveWhitespace, it does effectively remove all whitespace (in InnerXml), but when I do a save, it puts it all back again. And then some...

Or maybe it's just me...

var path = @"C:\test.xml";
System.IO.File.WriteAllText(path, "<root>\r\n\t<line></line>\r\n\t<line></line>\r\n</root>");
System.Xml.XmlDocument doc = new System.Xml.XmlDocument();
doc.PreserveWhitespace = false;
doc.Load(path);
doc.PreserveWhitespace = false;
doc.Save(path);

That gives me this, which even seems wrong, as it's adding text inside the line elements:

  <root>
    <line>
    </line>
    <line>
    </line>
  </root>

thanks...

Reno

Benjol

Do what?

Reno

xml files like that are a pain in the arse to read :s

just saying :)

50% are you sure ?

Benjol

6:49 AM

@Reno, oh, I see. Well, it makes the difference between a 2819kb and a 3645kb file...

Reno

hmm i'm working on mobiles and kmls (thats like xml for google earth) ... thats a lot of saving :)

Benjol

7:03 AM

@Reno, well, I guess it's very dependent on what you have in the file.

Marc Gravell

7:16 AM

@Reno yes, we should store everything in protobuf; much easier to read.

Benjol

@MarcGravell, seriously, I've considered it. We're using xml to send what amounts to a database back and forth between windows and linux. xml is big, and slow...

Marc Gravell

well, if you're in the .NET world and need help with protobufs, just let me know ;p protobuf is neither big nor slow

Benjol

7:50 AM

@MarcGravell, thanks for the offer. It's not likely to happen any time soon, but I guess I should at least play with protobuf a bit. At least I know where to find you :)

Dan Grossman

> For saving the entire universe from the forces of evil, we give you this... Keanu Reeves statue

Dan Grossman

8:08 AM

Benjol

@Dan :) But that doesn't look like a statue of Keanu Reeves :)

Dan Grossman

Benjol

yeeuchk! what are those golumy things? I think I'm missing a cultural reference there...

badp

@Benjol Competitors. Your enterprisey sinergies and your webs 2.0 will let you prevail over the old and dead business models of selling stuff.

Benjol

Am I racist if my nominee selection click-through process goes: profile > accounts > meta > "nope" ?

badp

8:17 AM

I'd begin with meta

Benjol

@badp, edited, that's what I mean...

badp

Again, I'd begin with meta.

Benjol

someone with zero presence on meta, even if he has sky-high rep, is not a good match, but obviously, we're biased. And then there's the guy who boasts about not even being on meta. He'll go far.

badp

Also, I trust a chatter more than one who isn't, because one who doesn't chat will come over to chat asking for help with the moderation tools and ranting because he can't keep up with the news :P

Benjol

@badp good point too. Hadn't thought to check that out.

badp

8:21 AM

true -- a S* mod is also an MSO mods, but I don't think they have to mod it.

Benjol

Anyway, we're both out of the running now, not enough rep...

badp

meh, I wouldn't have wanted to mod SO

if there were MSO moderations I would've considered that

but no such luck :P

:|

need some kind of sede query which can get nominees, with rep, meta rep, and whatever the chat badges are on SO/MSO :)

currently, I'd say jjnguy's overall engagement with SE pretty much blows the others out of the water... (of the ones I've looked at so far)

QUESTION: if I were to build a comparative list of nominees, what do you think would be some interesting data points?
So far, I've thought of: how long they've been on SO; rep on SO; rep on meta; engagement on meta (number of questions/answers); talkative badge on SO and meta; age?; location? Overall number of SE accounts

badp

8:39 AM

sounds like a good start.

Benjol

@badp, note the conditional in my question... It's the kind of idea I get half way through then decide it's too much like hard work :)

@badp, how would you 'measure' chat engagement. just from badges? and on both meta and so?

badp

@Benjol I wouldn't! Duh.

chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/users/thumbs/130064

notice the activity field, I think it's relevant :)

Benjol

@badp, hum, yes

ok, here's I goes...

maybe not, the list keeps changing. Lasse just turned up :)

And that activity thing only works if you're currently logged into the room, from what I can see..

Yi Jiang

9:06 AM

I think I'll take some time now to add some features to SEMod.user.js

What features should I add?

I've already got a few minor improvements on the way

badp

@YiJiang I was starting doing a beautifier for the rep audit thing but lost interest soon

that's one place that could do with a major make up, also because the page is not plain text anymore :)

(however there's no jQuery there either)

Yi Jiang

@badp You've seen this?

4

A: JavaScript helper for *stackoverflow.com/reputation

I've rewritten the script so that it works on Firefox, Chrome and Opera. It now lists all sites in the Stack Exchange network, by using the API to retrieve the list of sites. I've also updated the regex to avoid the problem I mentioned in the comments. Stack Exchange Reputation Audit Helper ...

I can update it a little bit more, because I realized you can differentiate between the different vote types using the rep changes, but that's about it

badp

@YiJiang looks more and less like what I wanted to do, thanks

Yi Jiang

9:26 AM

meta.stackoverflow.com/users/136179/01?tab=reputation

This graph... I wonder which other user has had something similar

Yi Jiang

9:37 AM

The sort of things people say in comments...

Anyway, don't bother looking for it, I'd already give it the last flag to disappear it

Yi Jiang

9:53 AM

@Reno 10k users recently gained the ability to view flagged comments

Benjol

dl.dropbox.com/u/2835366/SO/SO.xls

RFC

badp

@YiJiang stackoverflow.com/users/569212/endero?tab=reputation

Benjol

If you think that file is useful, I'll post a link to it somewhere (not sure where)

Yi Jiang

10:21 AM

0

A: Open Source Advertising - Sidebar - 1H 2011

Is that... comic sans? :|

Benjol

anyone know if there's a way to get tag sets to be AND instead of OR?

badp

@Benjol I'm afraid not

Benjol

rats, I just created a tag set called 'Jin' with design+discussion, I don't want to have to dredge through all the rubbish... :(

badp

@Benjol just remove "discussion"

Yi Jiang

@badp Then you'd get the tag set I created :P

Benjol

10:28 AM

We need a Jin tag :)

Yi Jiang

stackexchange.com/tagsets/37/design

Benjol

ok, rename that to Jin :)

Yi Jiang

Not sure if I can do that, hmmm...

badp

@YiJiang Yup, just click on the link next to the name

Yi Jiang

What link? There's only the delete set link

Oh, I found it

badp

10:31 AM

Reading: supported.

Yi Jiang

stackexchange.com/tagsets/37/jin

@badp :|

badp

.─.

|:

._.

Yi Jiang

Benjol

Did either of you take a look at my amazing nominee roundup file?

badp

← on Linux

no OO.org installed

Yi Jiang

10:33 AM

@Benjol Yup. Interesting stats

@badp Eh... why not?

Benjol

@YiJiang, Worth posting somewhere (and where?)?

Yi Jiang

Not all of the stats are useful, but they certainly are interesting

Benjol

for example?

Yi Jiang

@Benjol Could be, the nomination page is sorely lacking in details. Create a new Meta post, I suppose

@Benjol I certainly won't care for the mod's participation on any other SE site except for MSO

It's interesting, but it won't sway my vote

Benjol

ok

meta post coming up.

Yi Jiang

10:36 AM

Did you manually collect these or did you use the data explorer or API?

badp

@YiJiang I hate it

Yi Jiang

The chatroom ones will probably need to be scraped manually, but the others could be more interesting if we could automate the data collection process

@badp There's always the wine option, but... I'd guess what you'd have to say about that

badp

@YiJiang MS Office through Wine? If it worked I'd use it.

Would it work?

I mean, versions 2007 or 2010

Yi Jiang

07 works fairly well

10 won't though

badp

2007 is close enough for me

Yi Jiang

10:38 AM

2007 has gold or silver status I think

Benjol

@YiJiang Manually. for that quantity, and once only, and given that sede is out of date by definition. And that I'd have had to have got the list of nominees manually or by scraping....

badp

appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=4992

apparently gold under 1.3.5

Excel is bronze, Powerpoint has an old rating

those are the two I really care about anyway

Yi Jiang

I don't do anything heavy with anything other than Word, but at a glance the other apps all seem to work

Benjol

0

Q: Moderator nomination possibly useful statistics

I found myself doing lots of clicking through to profiles to try and compare nominees with (what I consider to be) useful/interesting information. I've cobbled together an Excel file with some metrics, may help you with your decision, and possible inspire the dev team to put together something l...

discussion moderator-nomination

Yi Jiang

@badp Anyway, if you're desperate, there's always Google Docs...

Speaking of which, @Benjol, a Google Spreadsheet might do better here

Benjol

10:43 AM

yeah, I thought of that, briefly...

Reno

10:57 AM

ok imma post something controversial ... but its nothing new

Yi Jiang

@Reno Come on now, surely nobody would pay for reps and badges?

I mean, WoW gold is one thing, but this... or am I not understanding you correctly here?

Reno

@YiJiang nevermind , just some stupid irony

badp

@Reno rather

US → outsourcing → $$$ → India → /review → Moderation queue → US

Yi Jiang

Oh, I get what that map means... or at least I think I do

Reno

Its just that most of the IT work in USA is outsourced to india (and similar countries) .. when it comes to the implementation stackoverflow is just helping with the outsourcing back to the US ...

badp

11:04 AM

@Reno actually, most of those users are a great point against outsourcing

Reno

exactly @badp , what i dont like is the /review part =\

i am too

i mean i hate the fact that many dont take the CS class is US because of outsourcing

oh well . /rant

Reno

11:36 AM

@YiJiang oh your birthday >_<

Yi Jiang

@Reno Hmmm what?

Reno

totally forgot about that

what did you finally get ?

Yi Jiang

@Reno What do you mean?

Reno

You said that you were getting something for yourself

Yi Jiang

No, not really.

Didn't get anything for myself except for a slice of cake

Holy crap it's live already why didn't they announce anything!?

2

Reno

11:42 AM

Jan 7 at 8:34, by Yi Jiang

Hmmm... my birthday's coming up. What should I ask for?

Yi Jiang

@Reno Yeah, I didn't ask for anything. I did have a slice of cake though

Reno

cake is always relevant

Benjol

@YiJiang: spreadsheets.google.com/…

Per your request.

badp

@YiJiang wow

Yi Jiang

I can see a few problems with this scheme already

badp

11:50 AM

@YiJiang it really isn't however...

I can't propose edits on Webapps e.g.

and they run the same software.

Yi Jiang

Lemme see.. that guy had 343 reps. How much do you have?

Maybe it's for SO only, because of the volume

The other sites don't have enough 3/10k users?

badp

@YiJiang 380

Yi Jiang

Hmmm... not sure, maybe it is SO only

badp

@YiJiang yeah, SO only

Yi Jiang

Benjol

11:53 AM

@YiJiang the biggest problem I can see is that there's going to be WAY more editors than reviewers...

Yi Jiang

This is going to be a little weird... and I foresee a few people freaking out

badp

0

Q: web part title in xsl

Hi guys, I'm investigating a possible solution where all web parts on my page should be rendered without a chrome, meaning that the default title portion of the web part will be hidden, but the title supplied in the web part properties should be used elsewhere in the web part. I have found seve...

sharepoint xslt web webparts

SO is running revision 6 btw

Benjol

what do you do with an edit like that. Just removing the signature without cleaning up is just plain lazy...

Yi Jiang

@Benjol There are quite a few - for instance, it is possible for me to, for instance, embed 'hidden' content in the edit that the edit, and the reviewer won't be none the wiser, since apparently you can't see the source from the approval window

badp

Community owns edits from anonymous users

stackoverflow.com/users/-1/community?tab=activity

look at its first edits, how cute

Benjol

11:55 AM

@YiJiang apparently can't toggle BACK from full text to diff either...

badp

...also how does Community have 2k rep?

Yi Jiang

@Benjol BUG REPORT MANIA!!!

Benjol

:)

I feel like I want to edit their edit, and then approve that :)

Yi Jiang

@badp It says he 'own' CW posts, maybe that would be why?

badp

@YiJiang Rep from CW posts?

Yi Jiang

11:56 AM

@Benjol Yeah, I hate it that there's no way to do it

Benjol

0

Q: Edit in progress

I have just clicked on this question on Stack Overflow and an edit option is available. The tooltop reveals that an edit is pending and asks me to review it. This pop up then appears: I can't see any changes between the original question and proposed edit. If I click approve the pop up disappe...

support bug editing

I wonder what other low-rep users see if they click on 'edit'?

Yi Jiang

My edit standards are higher than theirs, I usually correct grammar mistakes too, but I don't want to reject their edit because it's actually useful... dilemma...

badp

@Benjol Just open a window in private mode.

@YiJiang Approve their edit then edit it yourself?

Although it takes two to approve.

Yi Jiang

@badp Yeah, but that's adding to the edit list, wouldn't it?

Benjol

@badp, doesn't it depend on rep? and have you invented a Name for this thing yet? :)

badp

11:59 AM

Yi Jiang

@badp Interesting... very interesting. I'll do an experiment...

Benjol

@badp, is that on top of a question that already has a pending edit?

badp

@Benjol um, no

Benjol

@YiJiang, go ahead, modify something as anonymous, then we'll have a look and see what it says :)

In case you wondered, THIS is why they don't announce the changes. It's too much fun trying to work it out on our own

2

Yi Jiang

@Benjol No, it's a malicious experiment. I'll do it in the sandbox

badp

12:01 PM

@YiJiang MSO still doesn't have it

Yi Jiang

@badp Hmmm...

Hang on, it does

badp

Okay, version .4 didn't have it

Yi Jiang

Oh, wait... auto login (/facepalm)

Logged out from SO doesn't mean logging out from the entire network, keep forgetting that

This will be risky then... in the name of SCIENCE lemme try it on one of my own posts...

badp

For science.

You monster.

Benjol

I don't see why it's malicious at all. Edit something you'd be editing anyway

badp

12:04 PM

@Benjol He wants to try something malicious with the feature.

Benjol

Ah, I see.

naughty boy!

me too then :)

weird, with no login, I see no edit link...

badp

@YiJiang I notice the rep bonus for good edits isn't still in place

Yi Jiang

I just received an error while trying to edit

Benjol

I guess that's normal if the edits belong to community even after approval...

Yi Jiang

Hmmm... did they just turn off that feature again

Benjol

12:08 PM

As I said, I see no edit button, do you?

Yi Jiang

Yup, the option's gone, as quickly as it had arrived

Benjol

Oh well, fun while it lasted :) how did you spot it?

Yi Jiang

@Benjol That question you see up there

I had instinctively clicked on the close button, only to realize that it was the edit button that was carrying a number

badp

script request: SE version comparer

Yi Jiang

@badp Eh... how?

badp

12:11 PM

the version is shown on all pages

Yi Jiang

Hmmm... server-side wget or cURL

badp

for example Dev Meta is running .28

this way we can just do one sweep to know what's available where

the information is comfortably available in the #svnrev node too...

balpha

@YiJiang it was activated for a couple of hours to do some testing

it'll come back :)

Yi Jiang

@balpha Right, how stable are the features?

Can we post bug report / feature req based on what we see?

Benjol

What we saw... :)

Yi Jiang

12:14 PM

@Benjol Jeff will come in here, wave his hand, and we would never have saw

2

Benjol

@YiJiang LOL

Yi Jiang

@badp For me at least the only option would be to use cross-domain ajax to grab a copy of the page, then process it. But that many ajax reqs is going to be pretty heavy - a server side script could cache it better

waffles

@YiJiang sure feel free to post bugs, but it is totally a moving target at the moment ... I can not make sense of anything without a markdown diff at the moment and there are tons of glitches I still need to fix

badp

@YiJiang I'm on the same boat

maybe with something on the AppEngine?

Yi Jiang

Oh, and in case anyone come in and tell me it's impossible to do X-domain ajax... james.padolsey.com/javascript/cross-domain-requests-with-jquery

badp

12:16 PM

It's small enough that it might work...

balpha

FYI, this is from a bunch of unit tests I'm writing right now:

            _testReplyUser("yi", 1, "YingAndYang", "Yi Jiang", "Yi");

Yi Jiang

@badp True

balpha

guess the purpose :)

Yi Jiang

@balpha The new chat reply thingy?

balpha

no, this is for the main site

badp

12:18 PM

if I ever design a programming language, it'll only have named parameters :P

balpha

24

Q: Allow for Comment Reply to Usernames With Less Than Three Characters in First Word

I know this is somewhat of a rare request/edge case, but this is becoming really annoying. In the faq, which I've linked to below, you state that for the comment reply system to work, There must be a starts-with, case-insensitive match of at least three characters in the display name. ...

feature-request support comments comment-replies

Benjol

@balpha, autocomplete in comments? or some special "YiJiang stop looking for XSS exploits"?

Yi Jiang

@balpha Hehehe... well finally :P

balpha

@badp here's the signature :)

private void _testReplyUser(string userName, int? expected, params string[] candidates)

Benjol

StackExchange™ ApprenticeEditorController™

badp

12:22 PM

StackExchange™ VirtualFaith AnonymousEditor™

nah, I don't like it

StackExchange™ CommunityDiamond RepBooster™

or, hm

StackExchange™ HumanityEstimator GlobalEditing™

this one is okay.

Benjol

StackExchange™ SweatShopSteward™

Yi Jiang

@badp Why is it Humanity Estimator?

@Benjol Ah ha! Best one so far :P

badp

It estimates how much faith to have in it :P

what will be the PENIS/edit ratio?

@Benjol on that tone, StackExchange™ HumanityEstimator SharecropperEnabler™

Benjol

Yup ShareCropper.. good StackExchange™ SharecropperSupervisor™

badp

@waffles are we going to get a dedicated /review tab for edits?

waffles

12:27 PM

@badp ... I have it for ME but you will have to wait a bit ... the current way diffing is done just don't work

badp

It's okay, I understand it's still cooking.

balpha

Sam doesn't share his toys

badp

The StackExchange™ BigBrother NewbieStalker™ grows!

Yi Jiang

@badp I can smell the waffles cooking from here... can't wait to take a bite

Benjol

@badp, not bad, not bad...

badp

12:30 PM

(That's the StackExchange™ TrademarkMarked OfficialName™ for the /review page)

Benjol

ok

Yi Jiang

12:42 PM

@badp We can use X-domain ajax to grab a random SE 2.0 site as well as SOFU + M and dev.M, but would it be worth it?

badp

@YiJiang It would be better to poll 404 page of each site per minute

so with say 35 sites you'd get a full update every 35 minutes.

Yi Jiang

Okay, but there's still no caching, which is a bit of a waste wouldn't it?

@badp Is the 404 page the most lightweight page?

badp

@YiJiang it's supposed to be

Yi Jiang

Will try something like that, hmmm...

Can I assume all beta sites to be of a single build?

badp

@YiJiang um, not sure. TeX support was added to a beta, right?

Yi Jiang

12:47 PM

@badp Maybe ask the two devs we have here?

badp

@YiJiang (there's nothing to ask, Math had it pretty much right away in the private beta)

you can check meta maybe

Yi Jiang

stackoverflow.com/robots.txt - the X-domain method using Yahoo Pipes doesn't work I think

badp

6

A: TeX math markup is sorely needed

We have added MathJax to support TeX equations based on feedback. MathJax is on the cusp of a 1.0 release and we will update this library once it's final.

Yi Jiang

Oh wait, it's not Y! Pipes

Josh

Hey @YiJiang. I saw the screen cap but I don't get it... what is live?

1 hour ago, by Yi Jiang

Holy crap it's live already why didn't they announce anything!?

Yi Jiang

12:54 PM

@Josh Editing was now enabled for any user, pending approval by a user with edit powers

Josh

HOLY ...!

Yi Jiang

42 mins ago, by balpha

@YiJiang it was activated for a couple of hours to do some testing

They flipped the switch back off now

Josh

oh

This is what I get for being asleep

I don't know if I like that idea

I guess I have to edit more to prove they don't need users with <2k rep to edit

Benjol

@Josh, given that it apparently takes two to approve an edit, we'll now have twice as much work :)

Josh

UG

I do not approve, lol

I don't think most of the edits will be correct...

we'll see though

Needs closing/migration:

0

Q: what is Jail-braking?

what is Jail-braking? on iphone for what it is use? how can i jail-break iphone 4?

iphone

Yi Jiang

1:00 PM

Dammit! Who the hell sent it over to SU!?

(I voted to close without migrating, but it was 2 v 3)

Now I have to go over to SU and flag it as off-topic -_-

badp

and I wish I could propose an edit :P

Benjol

2

Q: Community♦ user edit: How does it know what to edit?

I just noticed that the Community♦ user edited a ~1 year old answer of mine. As you can see, the method call was changed from getSfGuardUser to getGuardUser: Now I checked the documentation and it seems that the edit is correct. But how did Community know about that? Afaik it is an automated ...

discussion questions editing community-user

Josh

@YiJiang Where do you think it should go? I would have liked to migrate to apple.SE but couldn't

Yi Jiang

@Josh Nowhere - SU can't take it, so just close as OT

Josh

@badp You can: SOCKPUPPET ACCOUNT!!!!

Yi Jiang

1:04 PM

No point in waiting for a mod to turn up and move it to Apple

Josh

Seems a bit harsh for a new user, but, I see your point.

Yi Jiang

And definitely contributing to the perception that 'SU is the dumping ground of the Trilogy'

badp

Idea: with 3k rep on a site you can vote to close off topic and migrate to that site you have rep on from all others.

instead of migrating to sites you have no clue about

Yi Jiang

@badp Not really useful - that removes too much migrating power

They're still right about 95% of the time - it's a lot of complaints and work that goes into the last 5% though

badp

if somebody asks a game rec on SU, they see the word "game" and blindly migrate to Gaming, except game recs are disallowed on Gaming.

Yi Jiang

1:10 PM

Here's an idea - create a separate page that 3k users will/can have to look though that lists the top 'What belongs here' bit from each of the migrate option site, instead of the current format, which is a bit of a pain as you'd have to go through each of the faq to look for the appropriate site to migrate to

badp

that'd be the faq

Yi Jiang

Single page, and if that's not enough, force them to look through the list before allowing them to use the 3k powers

Josh

Well it's already been closed on SU too, LOL

Yi Jiang

@Josh Yeah, now let's hope Ivo doesn't get too angry :P

23

Q: If a Facebook user dies, what happens to the account?

If a Facebook users dies, what happens to his/her Facebook account? Is it deleted after a certain period? Should his/her friends or relatives inform Facebook that he/she is dead?

facebook account

Josh

I'll calm him down, he still owes me one for helping him with his dog paw python script database ;-)

Yi Jiang

1:14 PM

+23 upvotes and 2k views in 23 hours

Josh

I have a "friend" on facebook who died last year

He was a client of mine

His staff kept the account open and use it as a mermorial

Reading "Diff is hard, let's go shopping!" it would appear there's no stopping this new anyone-can-edit functionality... sigh I am not pleased with this

I guess that saves me the time of having to write a long argument against it though

Yi Jiang

@Josh Then complain about it. The "feature" has not being made formal yet, maybe if you open up a discussion you can get the community's view on it

Josh

maybe I still will...

@YiJiang and @Benjol, you're both in favor?

And @badp, you too?

Yi Jiang

@Josh I'm undecided, still want to see the exact implementation

Benjol

@Josh, sorry, I was away, have to read back...

Josh

1:21 PM

@Benjol The new anyone-can-edit feature, do you like the idea?

@YiJiang ah HA, so a well argued post may sway you!

Benjol

@Josh: If I had the time to find it, I'd point you to the chat with Jeff where I stated my main reservation: too many editors, not enough reviewers. Especially if the editors get rep and the reviewers don't...

Josh

And of course by "well augured" I mean covered in freehand circles...

@Benjol yeah that's one of my major concerns

Yi Jiang

@Josh How are you... oh never mind, you'll find a way :P

Josh

I'm also concerned that the edits will be WRONG, and then block good edits

@YiJiang I could write my entire answer in freehand and circle the whole damn thing ;-)

Yi Jiang

@Josh Of course that's an implementation detail - the system could allow 3k editors to bypass the new user edits

Josh

1:25 PM

I think it required a certain level of knowledge of the sites to be able to edit well enough. I've been around for 1.5 years and still I am unsure of certain edits I make

@YiJiang This is true. Waffles commented on that, but since it's not finalized maybe it's, well, not finalized...

Benjol

Yeah, where's the How to edit page anyway? And they should be made to read through the umpteen questions in meta about whether saying thanks in a question is allowed or not :)

Josh

@YiJiang found it:

> @Robert ... this helps fight information rot... so many old questions need TLC. pending edit will block further edits and be actionable inline. – waffles♦ 14 hours ago

Yi Jiang

@Josh Hmmm...

Well, in Felix's case, it actually worked!

Josh

specifically pending edit will block further edits and be actionable inline

@YiJiang this is very true

Reno

When im dead i dont want anyone to access my mail accounts o_o

wat do ?

Josh

1:31 PM

now that I read the comments more thoroughly I do see seeds of dissent

I will post my own question later

Reno

freaking gmail give out the password if you present the death certificate . humpf

Josh

@Reno Put passwords and your intentions in your will / living will

Aiden Bell

stackoverflow.com/election

Vote for me sighs

Josh

You have my vote @AidenBell!

You'd be a good mod, I think

Aiden Bell

@Josh - cool :)

Reno

1:32 PM

this feels like a miss world contest no offense ;D

Josh

@AidenBell I love the lack of any campaign in your post, HAHA

I may have to fix that for you

Reno

i'd totally vote you

Josh

@Reno a miss unicorn contest, you mean ;-)

2

Aiden Bell

@Josh - no need. Picture says it all

@Josh - Also, my first post was
"I nominate myself. I care."

Josh

@AidenBell This is true, LOL

Reno

1:34 PM

@Josh haha :D

Aiden Bell

Im going to be rallying support when voting starts lol, get presidential on it

Though I could have pulled the million question card, I would have won off the back of that no worries

:S

This was my second choice photo:

Benjol

Gngn, slow down you people, how'my'sposed to keep my list uptodate and get some work done? :(

ircmaxell

lol

Yi Jiang

@AidenBell Well, we're not at the voting stage yet :P

ircmaxell

I wonder, does that QR can inside that picture

Aiden Bell

1:37 PM

@YiJiang - yea just realised that

Josh

@AidenBell You made the right choice

Reno

If i become a moderator i'll booze till im sloshed then get online and swing the banhammer with the might of Thor himself

2

@Reno - im sold

Wow, not bad...

lol

1:37 PM

@Reno AHAHAHAHAHAHA

Reno

jack daniels :D thats awesome

Benjol

@AidenBell, age please

Reno

and your sweater has the same pattern thingy like your face :o

Aiden Bell

23 IIRC

Josh

Oh @AidenBell, looks like you have some stiff competition!

@MichaelMrozek is running against you!

Benjol

1:39 PM

@AidenBell, thanks :)

Aiden Bell

@Josh - a battle commences

@Benjol - why?

"Images in nominations will be programmatically disabled on the next push, please edit your nomination accordingly to not have issues when this happens, it doesn't meet the minimum length threshold without the image currently"

damn!

Josh

HAHAHA

Benjol

@AidenBell : meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/75454/…

Josh

@AidenBell Change it to ascii art!

Yi Jiang

@Benjol Maybe it'll be more useful to update the list only when the nomination stage is over

It's too much work keeping track of all the new norminations

And we can't really use the info for now, since we can't vote

Benjol

1:45 PM

@YiJiang, yeah, I guess. at this rate, the automated version becomes increasingly attractive :)

Aiden Bell

@Josh - my nomination thing now lacks some serious face

Josh

I just saw that. Sad!

Aiden Bell

If anyone wants to edit my thing, go for it

Oh it isn't editable

Josh

I can't, I guess I need more rep?

Benjol

Nope, I don't think it's editable for anyone, too dangerous...

Josh

1:51 PM

Ah, OK

Edit links show under revisions but 404: stackoverflow.com/posts/4735804/revisions

So many of these candidates I don't know from meta...

They'll never get my vote

Aiden Bell

@all - well slap something in here and it will form my nomination

I can't think of something witty to write

Josh

oh no!

> @ifaour thanks for the compliment. I will not be throwing my hat in the ring, mainly due to time constraints, and because I'm planning to leave the industry soon and my SO activity is very likely to decrease massively as a consequence. But there are really great people on the list - bit of a shame there are only two positions to fill! – Pekka 13 hours ago

Benjol

"The only conceivable reason to not vote for Aiden Bell is because you've already used up all your votes on Michael Mrozek. Or vice versa"

Josh

@Pekka is leaving the industry???

@Benjol I have to say, this is the #1 reason you may not get my #1 vote @AidenBell ;-)

Yi Jiang

@Josh Yeah, he talked about it in chat the other day

Josh

1:56 PM

Probably when @RebeccaChernoff dared me to be silent ;-)

@YiJiang I'll search the logs. It was probably Monday actually, I wasn't here at all then.

Aiden Bell

@Benjol - posted

Benjol

@Aiden, You've got a pluralization bug there :) ducks

Aiden Bell

@Benjol - wut?

Benjol

memberS, :)

Aiden Bell

@Josh - want to fix that?

Fosco

1:59 PM

oh man.. that Pranay Rana guy doesn't have a chance in the moderator election..

Reno

@AidenBell do you have a dailybooth account ?

Aiden Bell

@Reno - nup

Reno

ah too bad you got good boothing talent

Josh

@AidenBell sorry I am not sure what this refers to?

Aiden Bell

@Josh - people in here are forming my nomination text

Josh

2:00 PM

ah. Ok, lemme think :-)

badp

I had the bad idea of leaving a cdrom inside my laptop as I left home, now as soon as the cdrom unit requires enough power it shuts off the computer.

Aiden Bell

@badp - ouch

New drive maybe

badp

obviously attempting to remove the cdrom only causes the shutoff to happen faster

no, new battery rather

Josh

@badp paperclip!

badp

I don't have one here and now

Josh

2:02 PM

rats

Aiden Bell

@YiJiang - input?

stackoverflow.com/election

Feel free to say "Don't vote for this guy, he is a plank"

Benjol

Apparently Mr. I'mNotOnMetaAndProudOfIt has been bumped off the list?

Josh

A good reason to vote for @AidenBell is his profile says, "I can also be found up to mischief on MSO chat". This means he's approachable and you always know where to find him!

Yi Jiang

@AidenBell "Don't vote for him, or else I'll go after you with a giant <b> tag"

Aiden Bell

@Josh - cheers, not a rave review, but posted lol

@YiJiang - I will post it lol

Josh

2:06 PM

@AidenBell HAHA. Working on a more rave review :-)

Aiden Bell

@Josh - I need all the help I can :P

@YiJiang - no revision?

Yi Jiang

@AidenBell What do you mean?

Aiden Bell

Ok

@YiJiang - happy with that stackoverflow.com/election

lol

Yi Jiang

@AidenBell I'll get you back for that, I promise

Aiden Bell

@YiJiang - lol

@YiJiang now it is verbatim through fear

systempuntoout

2:12 PM

good afternoon guys

Aiden Bell

So far, this is the single most depressing campaign in history. So far I have:
a) is always in the chat
b) vote if you didn't vote for another guy
c) Don't vote for him

hovers over withdraw

Josh

sorry, got distracted reading your meta posts :-)

Aiden Bell

@Josh lol

badp

stupid pos battery

Josh

specifically the SO movie question, which while infinity entertaining did not give me many good points to your election winning credit :-)

OK. <serious><campaign for="Aiden Bell">

badp

2:14 PM

after I did remove the cd, the laptop battery apparently ran out minutes later.

Yi Jiang

@Josh </serious>

badp

I blame @yijiang

Yi Jiang

That's about all that need to be said

Aiden Bell

@Josh - Im not saying im a good candidate, one way or another, everyone in here is

mwaha

badp

for the unbalanced tag

Yi Jiang

2:16 PM

@badp </campaign> Done. There goes the campaign

Josh

I AM STILL WRITING! YOU ARE ALL IMPATIENT!

Oh, crap, that was still in the <campaign> tag. Rollback.

Yi Jiang

@Josh Well, we're producing invalid XML here, so the parser is complaining very loudly right now

Pekka

@Josh yup, very soon!

Josh

@Pekka I'm sorry to hear that!

I hope you're going to be doing things which you find engaging, however!

And, it does mean more PHP questions for me :-)

Pekka

@Josh it's a joyous occasion though, and by choice! :)

@Josh Thanks.

@Josh Heh! In that case, you need to vote Gordon for Moderator :)

Aiden Bell

2:20 PM

@Pekka - becoming a carpenter?

Josh

Then I will be happy for you, even if the PHP/SO/Technology community is losing a valued asset!

@Pekka I'm torn between @AidenBell and @MichaelMrozek ;-)

Aiden Bell

@Josh - there are 2 places

Josh

<serious><campaign for="Aiden Bell">[...] This means he's approachable and you always know where to find him! With nearly a year on StackOverflow and over 10k rep, Aiden clearly knows how the community works and has the knowledge to back that up. He has a genuine interest in helping the community grow and his behavior on the site and in chat demonstrates this.<?campaign></serious>

Pekka

@Josh Thank you! Re the election, well, you have two votes :) Strategic mod-voting of tag competitors is perfectly acceptable :)

Josh

@AidenBell but I only get one #1 vote ;-)

oh, wait

I thought everyone gets a #1, #2 and #3 vote?

Pekka

2:22 PM

@AidenBell I don't think that would work out for me :) Actually, I don't yet know what I will become. We shall see!

Josh

do we get two of each vote?

Aiden Bell

@Pekka - well good luck following your heart. Brave.

Josh

> all community members with at least 150 reputation can cast three votes: 1st choice, 2nd choice, and 3rd choice

Benjol

@Pekka, well be sure to come back and let us know!

Josh

@Pekka Well do take at least a few minutes and pop back in chat to let us know!

Inquiring minds want to know!

Pekka

2:23 PM

@AidenBell Thanks! Yeah, it is very exciting.

@Aiden @Josh I definitely will return to chat from time to time.

Josh

@Benjol bah, I really need to read before I send, to see if others just said what I am about to say ;-)

Aiden Bell

@Pekka - you could always "go shuttleworth" and try for space

Yi Jiang

@Josh You didn't close that <campaign> tag properly! Ha!

Pekka

I will have my SO accounts dissolved - being on page 1 is too much of a temptation to just answer one more question - but I'll create new accounts to be around on chat from time to time and (when it comes to fruition) Outdoors.SE

Josh

@YiJiang and of course you waited until after the 2 minute edit window. Twit. ;-)

@Pekka you'll...what? wait, I DO NOT COMPREHEND...

Yi Jiang

2:25 PM

@Pekka Awww... that is incredibly sad. Please, don't go.

2

Benjol

You could always try selling your rep :)

Josh

"I will have my SO accounts dissolved", this does not compute

Pekka

@AidenBell Heh, I think I'm lacking the funds for that :)

Yi Jiang

@Benjol Pekka Rep Gold - get yours today!

Pekka

@Benjol actually, I've been planning for months to do something crazy with all that rep

But Jeff, being the clever git he is, has blocked all possibilities

Josh

2:26 PM

@Pekka If the rep must go, this is an idea I can get behind

Aiden Bell

@Pekka - sorry, Africans can't eat it

Pekka

You have to wait 24 hours before you can start a bounty

So you can't mass-bounty away all the rep

Josh

@Pekka AH! BLASPHEMY!

Aiden Bell

@Pekka - just sell your account, then you can go shuttleworth

Josh

I bid $10!

Yi Jiang

2:27 PM

@Pekka Hmmm... at a rate of a 500 rep bounty per every two days, it would take a whole year to use them all

badp

@pekka :(

Josh

Damn the anti-gaming rules!

Pekka

@Josh I actually toyed with the idea of passing it all to some hapless newbie through bounties :) But that would be too destructive for the system.

@Aiden ahahaha!

@YiJiang yeah, that was what I figured, too, it's too long

Josh

@Pekka Yeah, in seriousness I do agree.

badp

look at alex martelli, 150k reps and not a visit in weeks! You can do eeeet

3

Aiden Bell

2:28 PM

But the martelli-machine has a Python script to answer for him

Pekka

@badp I don't think I can. As long as I have rep, there will be a voice saying, "just one more!" :)

Benjol

@Pekka, so your new adventure doesn't mean you'll be away from a computer then? otherwise the temptation wouldn't be an option :)

Josh

@badp Yeah, and I managed to stay quiet in chat yesterday for... um, 3 hours... when rchern dared me to. So, ok, yeah actually that's not much of an inspiration. Sorry, nevermind :-)

Benjol

I swore to myself yesterday I'd spend the whole day with Firefox closed

badp

that's the problem, you always have 1 rep :P

Pekka

2:30 PM

@Benjol It is the plan, but nowadays you never know! I will be aiming for non-IT related work but obviously, there is some amount of computers involved in every profession.

Benjol

I survived by opening Chrome :(

Yi Jiang

@Benjol Cheater!

Tim Stone

@Pekka Just ignore and hide your interesting tags, then you'll think there aren't any questions you want to answer. :P

badp

how about you ask for a suspension instead?

2

Pekka

@TimStone Heh! That kind of self-delusion doesn't work for me :)

Benjol

2:30 PM

@Pekka, I'm sure we can create a user script which disables the answer button for you :)

Yi Jiang

@badp Yeah, I think waiwai did that before on Meta for a month

Pekka

@badp Nah, I think I'm out for good. It gives me goose bumps to think about it but I think it's true... Time will tell

Benjol

Yeah, @Pekka, go break a few windows :)

Tim Stone

But how will I stay motivated without a high rep user to give me compliments on obscure PHP compiler questions? (Thanks for that, by the way!)

Yi Jiang

@Benjol That would definitely work! And you won't even notice it!

Josh

2:32 PM

Wait if your account is dissolved what happens to your answers @Pekka?

Pekka

@TimStone heh! That was a brilliant one.

Josh

If they go away then you can not do that

Benjol

@Josh, same as Neil wotsit

Pekka

@Josh the answers remain, but my icon will be that greyed-out one

Josh

OK cool

Aiden Bell

2:32 PM

@TimStone - get in on this or I am dead in the water stackoverflow.com/election

Yi Jiang

@Josh They go to an anon. account. See Neil Butterworth

Benjol

51

Q: Why does Neil Butterworth say "please delete me"?

What happened to Neil Butterworth's account? His about section says "please delete me". I have never seen him saying "please". By the way what happened to his reputation score?

discussion users user-accounts specific-user

Tim Stone

Oh wait, if you have your account deleted though all of your votes go with it.

Josh

@YiJiang ok sorry, forgot

Pekka

@Josh The only effect that I really don't like is that in my understanding, my votes go away

@TimStone Tim yep, that sucks

Yi Jiang

2:33 PM

@Pekka Yeah, some of us are going to see our reps drop quite a bit

Josh

@Pekka oh noes, I'm sure you've upvoted me at least once ;-)

badp

you and your fake plastic imitation upvotes!

Pekka

@YiJiang yeah, although it will be fairly distributed. My biggest worry is that some accounts that were blocked due to low-quality questions will resurface when my downvotes go away :) :)

Tim Stone

@AidenBell Uh oh, what have you done? :P

2

Aiden Bell

@TimStone - lold

Josh

2:34 PM

@AidenBell correction:

mischief on MSO chat This means
mischief on MSO chat" -- This means

going AFK, BRB

Aiden Bell

@Josh - fixed

Fosco

@Pekka Hey.. I don't want to see you go anywhere, or the evidence of your contributions erased... Can't you just have SO disable/lock-out your account.. like memorialized as if you were dead on facebook? :)

drachenstern

mornin ... caffeine - check. muffin - check. skype - check. chat - check. nominations closed to under 10k - check. neck stiffness gone - X

Benjol

@Pekka, or create a dummy openid and then throw away the key?

Aiden Bell

@drachenstern - hmmm muffins

@Pekka - I agree with @Benjol

Pekka

2:37 PM

@Fosco @Benjol @Aiden have checked with Jeff about the options. The "deletion" option will "memorialize" me in that my name will remain next to my contributions (which is great should I ever need to show off some general language abilities during an interview or something.) I wouldn't want a high-rep dummy user hanging around dead in the water, it somehow doesn't feel right and it clogs up page 1 (and after some time, page 2, page 3...)

Aiden Bell

cool

Fosco

:\... clogs up page 1? Who cares about the user list?

Pekka

@Fosco it's not really important, but it don't feel right. The user list should consist of active users IMO.

The only thing that goes away is the votes (which isn't great) and the possibility to list all my contributions (which I will scrape before I give the signal).

Aiden Bell

@Fosco my userlist to horserace screensaver script cares

2

Pekka

Anyway, I will be around - I still have a month's work ahead of me before I'm free - and unemployed for the time being :)

Aiden Bell

2:40 PM

"and their off ... it's skeet in the lead followed closely by Gravell in the second furlong it's 3/1 good odds on the firm ..."

2

drachenstern

@AidenBell "A vote for him is like a vote for yourself" <-- catchy yes? :p

Aiden Bell

@drachenstern - nice

drachenstern

@AidenBell "the only candidate that cares enough to want a userlist horserace screensaver" <-- sillyness now

noms on muffin

waits on hold for pharmacy

will be the next call answered.

Aiden Bell

@drachenstern - posted

Tim Stone

I'm trying to think of something witty, but at the moment I just feel tired. :P

drachenstern

2:42 PM

for the record: Fatboy Slim on the left ear and bad light jazz on the right with a muffin and orange juice (fighting colds, yeah?) is kind of an odd sensation overall ... I suggest you all try to replicate it at some point on your bucket list

Aiden Bell

@TimStone - lol you can always push a revision my way

@drachenstern im too busy enjoying my playlist of pink noise and frequency sweeps lol

drachenstern

lol, it's ok, I'm pretty sure this counts as pink noise as is ;)

I figured by nomming my muffins someone was bound to answer

Yi Jiang

Weird, last checked @Benjol's stats post were only at +1, from me, and suddenly it's at +10

Aiden Bell

@drachenstern nommage

Benjol

@YiJiang, I posted a link underneath one of the nominees...

Yi Jiang

2:45 PM

@Benjol Hehehe, brilliant move, I must say :P

drachenstern

I see my +26(++?) comment fell off when the rep-cap raised itself. Shame that, on account of his not wanting to ever visit meta.

Benjol

A bit cheeky, but I do genuinely think that a simple nominee schpeil is not enough to base a decision on. As amply proved by Aiden :)

Aiden Bell

@Benjol - :)

I think

Moshe

Morning

Pekka

Morning!

Aiden Bell

2:48 PM

@Moshe hello

Moshe

Sad to see you go @Pekka. I think that so long as SO exists, it is too easy to sign in with another email.

Might be worth it to ask for suspension, as mentioned earlier.

Like that you can't log on even if you wanted. Ask for a two or tree week break. See if your still interested in logging on after that. If you still have the urge, try one more suspension. If all else fails, then be more drastic.

From what I read in the transcript you just want to not be on SO all hours of the morning.

Pekka

@Moshe mmm, I would do that if I were staying in the business, and just looking to reduce my SO presence. But I'm truly leaving the craft, and getting rid of the rep is a necessary part of that :)

drachenstern

current hold time: 16:55 ... should I hang up and rering the pharmacy? Seriously ...

Pekka

@Benjol Nah, it's all right, shedding the rep is overdue (I planned to do that January 1st)

@drachenstern Wait five more

drachenstern

@Pekka wait, so you're dumping rep? So I can whore some rep off you by a bounty?

Benjol

2:52 PM

@Pekka, seems weird to do that, why not just wait the few weeks and then go out with a bang?

Moshe

@Pekka I see. Why not ask Jeff uo do something for you. Put in a Feature request to lock up rep?

Benjol

@Moshe
http://chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/458878#458878

drachenstern

They should totally have a list of "retired users" that don't show up on the active user lists but that stay in the system. Or is that what's being proposed?

Benjol

How do I do that quote thingy? can't remember...

Pekka

@drachenstern Interesting idea, too

drachenstern

2:53 PM

take out the >

Moshe

@Benjol I read the transcript.

drachenstern

16 mins ago, by Pekka

@Fosco @Benjol @Aiden have checked with Jeff about the options. The "deletion" option will "memorialize" me in that my name will remain next to my contributions (which is great should I ever need to show off some general language abilities during an interview or something.) I wouldn't want a high-rep dummy user hanging around dead in the water, it somehow doesn't feel right and it clogs up page 1 (and after some time, page 2, page 3...)

Pekka

@drachenstern I do have an Amazon Wishlist, you know... wink

Just kidding

George Marian

Wait, what? @Pekka is leaving?

Benjol

Anyways, I'm gone soon, so have a good one Pekka. And let us know what life is like on the other side ;)

Moshe

2:55 PM

Also, I I remember correctly rep is recalculated from time to time. Perhaps they can do something then? Or access the DB.

Pekka

@Benjol hahahahahaha! Thanks, I will. :) Later!

drachenstern

lol @ amazon

When does this evaporation occur?

Pekka

@GeorgeMarian yeah! Thread starts here

36 mins ago, by Pekka

@Josh yup, very soon!

Moshe

Also, I'm not sure why you have an issue with a stagnant account. SO will move on until normal rep levels are upper 10S of Ks. So you won't be a standout for ever.

drachenstern

That's what I'm thinking personally

George Marian

2:57 PM

@Pekka Yah, I read some of it. So, you're leaving the biz?

Pekka

@Moshe yeah, but I somehow don't like it. It's like you have an unused bicycle in your flat (that you plan on never using anymore) - my instinct is to get rid of it

drachenstern

idk, there's all these users leaving SO in mass migrations, I'm curious if that's just the nature of the industry or what ...

Pekka

@GeorgeMarian yeah, to new, yet to be determined shores!

drachenstern

@Pekka so you foresee no more programming ever? I suppose that's ok, but you also have all that knowledge in your head that's still useful

Pekka

Still in the process of finishing projects, handing over things to successors.....

Moshe

2:58 PM

Right but it's not a bike. It's information that other people are relying on.

George Marian

@Pekka Interesting. Mind if I ask why?

drachenstern

Anyways, regardless whatever drama or inner turmoil, you know that the sane ones of us are always happy to see someone pursue their goals. If this is a goal of yours @Pekka, I'm happy for you and wish you the best, but of course.

Pekka

@Moshe but the contributions stay, just the account they're linked with goes defunct

Aiden Bell

@GeorgeMarian - stackoverflow.com/election

Im gathering half hearted quotes

Moshe

Right but the votes effects others.

George Marian

2:59 PM

@AidenBell Ok, now I'm confused.

Pekka

@drachenstern thank you! Re knowledge in head: In a way, my year on SO was an act of handing over some of the information :) Although I learned a lot more than I gave away, in a way

Moshe

I think old votes should be preserved.

Pekka

@Moshe Yes, that's true, it's the only thing that is bothering me too because it actually has an effect on everyone else

drachenstern

@Pekka so can I remind you that there's always DIY.SE ;)

Aiden Bell

@GeorgeMarian - my self nomination is being populated by people in here

Michael Mrozek

3:00 PM

@Josh There's a decent chance I'll end up not voting for myself, so I won't feel bad if you don't either. There's too many other people I want to see as mods that are way more qualified; last time I checked the list there were six people I wanted to vote for and two people I wanted to downvote 9 or 10 times if possible

George Marian

@AidenBell ah, ok

Moshe

See, its not just a. Bike.

drachenstern

@MichaelMrozek I'm having the same problem

Pekka

@drachenstern hahaha! I don't have that much to share there :)

Aiden Bell

@MichaelMrozek - You have my vote in the noms

drachenstern

3:01 PM

no but you'll want to learn more

Moshe

Sorry, iPhone.

Michael Mrozek

I might not even make the primaries, the minimum rep is past 10k now. I only have 16k

Aiden Bell

@MichaelMrozek - im on 14k so we shall see

Benjol

@MichaelMrozek, ah, Pekka's got some extra rep for you :)

drachenstern

I'm waiting on Skeet to ask for it too :p

Michael Mrozek

3:01 PM

@Pekka Initiate rep transfer

drachenstern

@MichaelMrozek that's what I said :p

Moshe

Didn't know that. Minimum rep for primaries? Shows how much I know.

drachenstern

@Moshe it got updated yesterday, too many nominations

Moshe

Hey, @Pekka, I could use a rep donation to make the elections.

:D

Wait are those SO or SE overall rep?

drachenstern

SO reps

Moshe

3:03 PM

@drach was that a request on MSO? Or on the elections page.

drachenstern

restarting my call after 23 minutes

:(

Pekka

@GeorgeMarian I've grown a bit tired of the computer work, that is the main reason. I need to do something else. I do have a number of other interests that I want to try and pursue in a way that pays the rent - I'm searching for something interesting in the tourism and culture fields mainly here in my city, but one never knows where I may end up in the end.

3

drachenstern

@Moshe sorry, mistyped, stupid being-on-hold-and-fixing-a-soda

Pekka

2 mins ago, by Michael Mrozek

@Pekka Initiate rep transfer

drachenstern

too many nominations

they want to keep it to the top 30 users that apply

Pekka

3:04 PM

Who wants a 550 bounty? Huh?... huh?..... :)

drachenstern

Who here would turn down a 550 bounty? Huh? ... huh? .... ;)

Moshe

Me me me meme meme meme oy.

Michael Mrozek

They should let us buy extra votes in the primary for 1k rep apiece. We'd all be bankrupt

drachenstern

don't forget there's a few days gap on those

Pekka

@drachenstern If it wouldn't take 24 hours, I would start some silly question and slap a bounty on it

What is the meaning of life?

How do I move the turtle in PHP?

George Marian

3:05 PM

@Pekka That's understandable. I've considered switching to different fields. I hate to see you go, but I guess this means I may have a chance at answering some PHP questions. ;)

drachenstern

@Pekka bah, start six or seven questions :p

Tim Stone

@MichaelMrozek I'll broker that deal for you all. My commission is 15%.

Moshe

@Pekka in Python, how do I move a turtle is not a crazy question.

Pekka

@GeorgeMarian yeah! :) I think I will be popping up in chat occasionally and posting whatever new I'll be doing at the time.

@Moshe Haha!

George Marian

@Pekka Heh, you can't stay away completely. :)

Yi Jiang

3:06 PM

@Pekka Well, it's only 500 now that there's no 50 free rep

Tim Stone

@Pekka I suppose if you drop in from time to time we can forgive you for abandoning us ;)

Pekka

@TimStone All right! :)

@YiJiang True.... But I think you can do a 550? I'll check

drachenstern

I'll help you verify it ;)

Moshe

No 50 free rep? Why? /me likes free rep

Pekka

@YiJiang True, 500 is the limit now

Moshe

3:07 PM

I will too

wonders which is worse: a voting ring or a rep ring

:D

Pekka

@Moshe but a rep ring is all about sharing!

Moshe

True.

Michael Mrozek

I'm going to start leaving comments like "I don't think I could support a candidate who doesn't give me free rep every day from now until the end of the election" on every nomination

Some would call them bribes; I prefer "reverse campaign contributions"

Zypher

Baksheesh

Baksheesh is a term used to describe tipping, charitable giving, and certain forms of political corruption and bribery in the Middle East and South Asia. Leo Deuel sardonically described baksheesh as "lavish remuneration and bribes, rudely demanded but ever so graciously accepted by the natives in return for little or no services rendered." Origins Baksheesh is a Persian word, written and originating from the Pahlavi (Middle Iranian) language. Types of baksheesh *Charity to beggars. In Pakistan and India, beggars solicit alms by crying 'baksheesh, baba!'. * Tipping. This does not c...

Moshe

@Michael - remember Mr Null Vote?

Aiden Bell

3:09 PM

@MichaelMrozek - Just make some election pledges like "will ban jquery questions"

Moshe

That's why I'm not qualified.

Aiden Bell

and "will ban PHP questions that do not start with: 'I know PHP is rubbish but ...'"

2

Pekka

@AidenBell oh yeah!

Michael Mrozek

Poor PHP people. They've been traumatized by asking questions on forums

Pekka

The PHP tag is going to love you for that kind of campaign pledge.

Moshe

3:11 PM

I wonder... How can I learn C# .NET if my primary computers are Macs?

Aiden Bell

Ok ok "I know everything I write in PHP should be written in Python but ...."

@Moshe - I think mono runs on mac

Michael Mrozek

Clearly we need an electoral college system where each tag gets a certain number of votes based on the number of questions in it, just to arbitrarily complicate this

Aiden Bell

@Moshe and Monodevelop through X11

Michael Mrozek

"I know you're popular in the Java tag, but what are you going to do for my district of C++?"

Moshe

I dunno about Mono...

Aiden Bell

3:13 PM

@MichaelMrozek - I will lower the C++ tax by insisting all Java questions are garbage collected at a faster rate than the JVM"

Moshe

Mono makes me nervous. And, it didn't take me in and give me breakfast.

Aiden Bell

@Moshe - Mono is alright and Monodevelop is a nice IDE if you don't want to eclipse it up

Moshe

I can handle Eclipse. But will code written in Mono run straight out of VS 2010 or at least 2008?

Aiden Bell

@Moshe - for most stuff if the API is implemented mono-project.com/Compatibility

Moshe

@Benjol, thanks.

Speaking of breakfast, mine awaits. Later.

Pekka

3:16 PM

16 mins ago, by drachenstern

@Pekka so can I remind you that there's always DIY.SE ;)

Actually, there are a few SE proposals I will be following closely

It would be lovely if Outdoors.SE and Drawing Comics.SE would work out

We shall see.

drachenstern

Yeah, I think if anything you should keep the account but just like lock it out for now, or something

put it on "vacation mode" or something

remember that proposals need existing SE2.0 members with high reps to get off the ground

You've built a rep on SO, shame to waste it when you could be helping outdoors.SE

is pretty good at devil's advocate sometimes

Pekka

Jeff and Joel are veritable devils!

2

Tim Stone

Don't forget you'll need at least 20 rep to chat :P

drachenstern

finally got through to the pharmacy

Michael Mrozek

@Pekka There's your winning campaign platform right there

Pekka

3:18 PM

Didn't think of the fact that high-rep users can help proposals

@MichaelMrozek yeah!!!

Michael Mrozek

Not only can they help proposals, they're painfully necessary, which sucks for proposals with tons of interest but no high-rep interest

Tim Stone

@MichaelMrozek Ah yes, like the guy who has that dermatology proposal.

Pekka

@MichaelMrozek true. No one can escape the web of Jeff and Joel

Michael Mrozek

@TimStone I wouldn't describe his proposal as having "tons of interest", although he certainly would

Tim Stone

I haven't looked at it lately, so I'll take your word for it. :P

Pekka

3:21 PM

However, the outdoors proposal I'm following has two identical twins with as much following, they have enough high-rep support.

Michael Mrozek

@Pekka We'll make a new SO!

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16 hours ago, by Michael Mrozek

Well, we'll go be mods on a new, better SO. With blackjack, and hookers. On second thought, forget the new SO and the blackjack

Pekka

@MichaelMrozek yeah!!! Sounds great.

badp

@MichaelMrozek Why so much hate? I'd also keep the blackjack.

drachenstern

@MichaelMrozek I would deem it as of interest to lots of people who've never heard of SE or SOIS and who could really use a good place to become better informed.

Michael Mrozek

@badp I refuse to corrupt Bender's vision like that

drachenstern

3:22 PM

Just like we were before SE/SOIS

@badp cultural reference? Are you familiar with Futurama?

@Pekka Then why haven't they been merged?

Pekka

@drachenstern because they're programming the tool to do that RIGHT NOW

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Q: Can the hiking proposals be merged?

There is a number of proposals with a "outdoors" theme and massive overlap on Area 51: Backpacking, Hiking, and Camping - Proposed Q&A site for all age groups who love to travel the world with just a backpack to enjoy new exciting places. Hiking - Proposed Q&A site for everything relate...

feature-request area51 merging

drachenstern

@Pekka bah, that's just SILLY

Pekka

@drachenstern it is being wrought and knitted as we speak

Or was it knit?

drachenstern

So I see, thanks for the enlightenment

Pekka

English.SE to the rescue!

drachenstern

3:25 PM

lol, I knew someone was going to say that ... figured it would be @Josh

Pekka

On second thought, I'm too lazy to look it up.

Josh

@drachenstern what what?

I just came back

Pekka

@drachenstern is it knit?

drachenstern

scroll up @Josh

Pekka

It is knit.

Moshe

3:25 PM

I think I could help improve SO, the mobile site, that is.

It's so difficult to edit questions or even answer on a mobile device.

drachenstern

en.wiktionary.org/wiki/knit

I did knit, I have knitted, I will have knitted

but you can have things which were knit together

Pekka

@drachenstern ah, thanks!

Very nice

drachenstern

technically that last usage is a little older, and not really prevalent

in fact, that word is mostly out of style with the bulk of the population, outside of the range of sweaters

Pekka

Right

drachenstern

@Moshe so go visit webapps or one of the sister SE sites and pitch in with making a better interface

Moshe

3:27 PM

And, you can't star, can't format and can't upload images either.

drachenstern

0

Q: What is the difference between “tits” and “boobs”?

What is the difference between “tits” and “boobs”? P.S. I'm not sure if this question is appropriate but as English is not my native language I really would love to know the difference.

usage differences

Moshe

@drach - where would I contribute?

Josh

@drachenstern ROFLMAO

Pekka

@drachenstern ahahahahaha

drachenstern

@Moshe I can star, I don't need to upload from an iOS (if I do I do it through a photo app) and I don't have a problem with anything but backticks on iOS

@Moshe there is a whole site dedicated to the SO API

when you are on a computer ask me again, not from iOS

Yi Jiang

3:29 PM

@drachenstern Talking about awkward...

drachenstern

> I only see the PS, where is the actual question? post pics

Moshe

finds that question offensive, as I wouldn't want it onscreen at work or with kids around

Pekka

@YiJiang the Borat effect - the freedom to ask embarrassing questions under the cloak of foreignness

Yi Jiang

@Pekka Ha!

drachenstern

@Moshe why? They're bound to hear it elsewhere. It's also common for boob to refer to a clown

George Marian

3:30 PM

@drachenstern Brilliant!

Moshe

Can we try to avoid posting things like that if they are going to get one boxed please? I don't need that on my 21.5" iMac, no thank you.

If it's a link, I know not to click. If it's a OB, the link clicked itself.

@drach - yes but the question was obviously not asking about clowns.

drachenstern

@Moshe ok, obviously you are not meant to chat on the iPhone. Go find a computer and come back and have a real discussion. You're picking nits that make no sense.

Josh

@Moshe you really think kids haven't heard the words "tits" or "boobs" before?

Moshe

And "bound to hear it elsewhere" is a lane excuse IMHO. If nobody said that, the world would be a better place.

drachenstern

You're being way too puritanical with this.

Josh

3:32 PM

Also, @Moshe, I was going to flag the question however it does appear to be a serious question with serious answers

drachenstern

It is a serious question. I'm adding a serious answer right now.

the comments were silly, but the question and answers are serious

Josh

@Moshe There's always going to be some words used to refer to a woman's breasts. And whatever words are used, some people will find some of them offensive

George Marian

stirs the pot

"Won't someone please think of the children!"

Josh

Better kids see a real question with real answers than what Google would give you for the same words...

Tim Stone

@GeorgeMarian Oh you :P

George Marian

3:34 PM

@TimStone I just couldn't resist. Such an appropriate time for one of my favorite Simpsons quotes.

Tim Stone

Heheh

Josh

@GeorgeMarian I am. I think trying to hide the real world from them is more damaging than explaining it to them on their level. :-)

Moshe

@Josh - depends which kids. That's not the point. The very fact that it is an akward question proves that some people will be sensitive to that. If people will be offended, why not err on the side of caution?

Fosco

on the internet?...

may as well shut it down.

Josh

If people are offended that's their problem :-)

Moshe

3:35 PM

I disagree.

Josh

It was not meant to be offensive

George Marian

@Josh I absolutely agree.

Josh

If people take offense they are reading it wrong

Fosco

You can't expect people to censor themselves to meet the lowest common denominator of sensitivities.

Josh

@Fosco well said

Yi Jiang

3:36 PM

And the information presented by the answers are interesting, and potentially useful

George Marian

Overly sheltered children tend to have problems in the real world.

drachenstern

serious (But longwinded) answer provided

Josh

@Moshe, I feel that by saying that it's offensive to ask questions about words which are offensive, you're making the situation worse and making those words more taboo. It's much better to say, "This is a word which some consider offensive and here's some better word choices for you", and that helps make everything less offensive!

2

drachenstern

@Moshe You really need to meet more people in the world. The French would say your viewpoint is ridiculous

Josh

I would think that someone who was offended by the word "boob" or "tits" would think that was a great answer. And thus they would support a question asking what the words mean because the answer explains that they are (potentially) offensive words and educates people, thus helping make the offensive words used less

if you refuse to allow discussion about offensive words how will people know they are offensive and know to avoid them / know what the alternative non-offensive versions are?

</rant>

Moshe

3:38 PM

I hear your points but I still disagree. Can we agree to disagree here?

Yup, I'm done :-)

@Josh +1

+1 on agree/disagree

@Moshe Of course no offense, disrespect, etc intended. I don't fault or begrudge you for having your own opinion! I respect that you stand your ground on what you believe

Moshe

ok, 3G data chews battery like a beast. I'm off, cya later.

Josh

3:39 PM

Even if I believe you're wrong ;-)

drachenstern

I should really play on E.SE more often, I've got a 300 point rep there for nothing! It's a shame I have a job, I could easily get to 10k on three or four sites this year if I could just get paid to SE all day

Josh

@Moshe take care

Moshe

@Josh Ditto, thanks.

drachenstern

@Josh That's like "I'll fight to the death to defend your right to disagree with me"

Josh

@drachenstern I wholeheartedly believe this!!!!

drachenstern

3:41 PM

and that sparked me to go find it, which ...

classroomtools.com/voltaire.htm

Yi Jiang

@drachenstern What's E.SE? Electronics and Robotics?

Coding Gorilla

I'm offended by all the offending that seems to be taking place these days...

2

Josh

And IO am tempted to get my sockpuppet out of the wash just so it can star that also.

drachenstern

The phrase ``I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it'' is widely attributed to Voltaire, but cannot be found in his writings. With good reason. The phrase was invented by a later author as an epitome of his attitude.

@CodingGorilla I'm offended by your getting offended that I might be offending someone!

Josh

@CodingGorilla +1 :-)

drachenstern

3:42 PM

Hall herself claimed later that she had been paraphrasing Voltaire's words in his Essay on Tolerance:

``Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too.''

In his A Book of French Quotations (1963), Norbert Guterman suggested that the probable source for the quotation was a line in a 6 February 1770 letter to M. le Riche: ``Monsieur l'abbé, I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write.''

wow, what a thing you can learn in a morning

Josh

@CodingGorilla I'm offended by the notion that gorillas can write code. We all know only monkeys can write code!

;-)

Coding Gorilla

No offense to @Moshe, its not aimed at him at all, but people just get way to offended way to easily

drachenstern

I'm sure most of you don't care about all that, but there you go, you've been suitably educated against your will if you're reading ;)

Josh

Coding Gorilla

@Josh It is difficult, they have very fat fingers

Josh

3:42 PM

LOL

@drachenstern STOP MAKING ME USE UP ALL MY STARS!

2

drachenstern

lmao

Josh

(Or said another way: WHY ARE YOU BEING SO INTELIGENT TODAY @drachenstern???)

drachenstern

shhhh quit making me lol, I'll get in trouble

2

Josh

;-)

drachenstern

@Josh cos I woke up???

;-)

Josh

3:44 PM

woah. I quietly slipped past Rebecca Chernoff on the chat leaderboard. I am really frightened now.

4k more messages and I surpass Jeff Himself. Then I request he ban me...

Yi Jiang

in The Bridge on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, yesterday, by badp

A new challenger appears!

drachenstern

@Josh lol, yeah ok

I was surprised to see I was up to 1.3k/week

I'm 200 behind YiJiang

George Marian

Oh...my...goodness!!! These idiots emailed me my password in plain text!?! I sure hope they call and bitch about me not giving them my address and references up front. That'll be a fun conversation.

Yi Jiang

@drachenstern Welcome to the top list of people with <del>no life</del> most chat activity!

2

drachenstern

@YiJiang oh, I've been here for that list for a while now ;)

By tomorrow or the next day I should be past you tho ;)

granted, passing you means moving past pop demand at nearly the same velocity

Yi Jiang

3:50 PM

@drachenstern Oh noes! (goes off to set up chatbot to spam the Sandbox with large number of messages)

drachenstern

actually, we'll probably both pass him before I pass you

lmao @sandbox

Yi Jiang

You

Are

Talking

Too much!!!!! I need more messages!!! Arrghhh...!

drachenstern

lmao, but I'm using full complete thoughts per post :\

you're string one word per post... that's cheating!!!

CHEATER!! :p

status-completed

@YiJiang You should start using 1 letter per line

drachenstern

I do tend to hit the retry/cancel a bit tho :(

status-completed

3:52 PM

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drachenstern

@statuscompleted shhhh, don't give him ideas

status-completed

k

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Josh

status-interrupted

status-completed

t

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Josh

status-oops

status-completed

3:52 PM

i

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Yi Jiang

status-complete

drachenstern

status-winning

Josh

Couldn't tear yourself away huh @Moshe?

Yi Jiang

@drachenstern Arrrgghhh....!

status-completed

Just like that I got 10 messages for today :p

Yi Jiang

3:53 PM

status-need-less-life

Moshe

I actually just wanted to ask if anyone knows of a Mac address changer for Mac.

Josh

ifconfig

Moshe

And, @Zypher, you around?

status-completed

Isn't that for linux ?

Tim Stone

@YiJiang I feel like's not the direction people usually go in.

status-completed

3:54 PM

Or it works too for Mac ?

Moshe

@Josh, I can just change it there?

@stat I suspect its a Unix thing

Josh

Yup. ifconfig lladdr *addr*

Moshe

Cool!

Zypher

@Moshe yes but writing a very sarcastic email to cisco right now

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drachenstern

See, if you were on a computer, that would've been way easier

Josh

3:55 PM

where addr is a colon separated list of hex digits

@Zypher hahaha

Yi Jiang

@TimStone What, are you implying that there are usual people here?

Tim Stone

shrugs

Moshe

Ok, once you're writing emails, please write me a not sarcastic one with your UDID please.

Josh

@statuscompleted OS X has ifconfig also

drachenstern

@GeorgeMarian We all got distracted by meta-MSO topics, what were you saying? plaintext password?

George Marian

3:56 PM

lol

Tim Stone

@Zypher Just tell them you're going to switch to Juniper.

Josh

@Moshe You're talking to Zypher here. I don't think you can get any response which lacks sarcasm to some degree ;-)

Zypher

@Moshe i can promise and email ... sarcasm is generated by a cal to /dev/random

Moshe

@Josh I did tear myself away. I see you where right here waiting for me. :P

@Zypher heh

Josh

I've moved in to the tavern due to my housing woes. I live in here now, I never leave ;-)

Aiden Bell

3:58 PM

sudo ifconfig en1 ether 00:e2:e3:e4:e5:e6

In OSX btw

George Marian

@drachenstern Yah. I just applied for a job. I had to create an account on their job app service. Which annoyed me to no end. (Yet another account out there somewhere. Yay.) I dealt with their request for my address and references by stating that they will be provided when appropriate. Then, I noticed the email with my password in it. =/

Moshe

status-battery-is-at-fifty-one-percent

Josh

@AidenBell yes ether == lladdr

Tim Stone

@GeorgeMarian Heh... shakes head

drachenstern

@GeorgeMarian this is why I try and go for org-SSO when I can, depending on the SSO of the org.

Aiden Bell

3:59 PM

@Josh fair enough

George Marian

Somehow I get the feeling that my password was stored in their DB, instead of a salted hash.

Moshe

closes Safari Mobile and shuts off 3G

drachenstern

@GeorgeMarian it would have to be, or they're using an insufficient hash

Tim Stone

@drachenstern Well, they could have just passed the password to the email script directly and stored it in the DB hashed...

But coulda woulda shoulda. :P

We all know they didn't >_>

George Marian

I highly doubt that.

If they did that, they would've have emailed the password.

drachenstern

4:01 PM

@TimStone only on initial create, that's the ONLY time

I presumed he meant that they sent an email AFTER his account was created with the password in it

Tim Stone

Right, of course.

I assumed he got the "Your account was created and we're afraid you can't remember the password you created ten seconds ago" email, but. :P

drachenstern

ok, so $(storedFieldID).blur(function(){ anonymous happenings on $(this) }) isn't firing ... damnit!!

George Marian

@TimStone Yah, that's basically it.

drachenstern

@TimStone I saw where you were going ;)

@GeorgeMarian oh, then that might be what they did

Tim Stone

The whole thing reeks of stupidity though, so. Heh

George Marian

4:03 PM

@drachenstern Yah, but I doubt it highly.

drachenstern

I've gotten that from some orgs before ... useful for storing in my gmail with my +address so I can prevent the lookups later

George Marian

If they knew to do that, they should know that email is not a secure medium.

drachenstern

otherwise I reply to that email to myself with the password so I can still do a token lookup

@GeorgeMarian no medium is 100% secure.

well, I guess you could kill BOTH the messengers once they've actually gotten into the same room, but that kinda defeats the whole purpose ...

George Marian

@drachenstern Sure, but this is a question of their understanding of the security implications.

drachenstern

@GeorgeMarian true.

George Marian

4:04 PM

And, I have a hard time finding work...sheesh...

Ok, I think that's outta my system now. :)

drachenstern

yay

time for OBs

Thanks to the Internet we finally have a place where we can talk sh*t about the Amish

Tweeted by jaylee on January 19, 2011 at 2:59 PM

TODAY IN: 1949 The salary of the Pres of the US was increased from $75,000 to $100,000 w/an aditl $50,000 expen allownce 4 ech yr in office.

Tweeted by wendilynnmakeup on January 19, 2011 at 3:48 PM

Coding Gorilla

@drachenstern I'm Amish...

drachenstern

@CodingGorilla I highly doubt that even an Amish person would find that offensive, but I'm offended at the thought that you might be offended by such a thing :p :p :p

Coding Gorilla

I didn't say I was offended! :P

drachenstern

@CodingGorilla I was going on the earlier channel

Tim Stone

4:08 PM

Yi (Jiang), I give you Vi:

Vi

212 6

discussion bug notification-bar self-answer feature-request voting editing

George Marian

lol

Yi Jiang

@TimStone \o/

Now find vim and emacs

Tim Stone

Ah, that was a much cleverer direction, nice. :P

drachenstern

I actually was going to post that I doubted you were Amish but then figured that you could be and just be on rumspringa ...

Yi Jiang

Emacs

31 3

c sockets c++ multithreading static-variables linux bash

Fosco

4:10 PM

Awesome.. just noticed Balpha mentioned me in a Tweet.

Josh

@YiJiang only 31 rep? :-(

Tim Stone

@Fosco Oh?

Coding Gorilla

@drachenstern No, I think being in this chat room and being Amish are actually mutually exclusive

drachenstern

@CodingGorilla possible

Josh

nano

126 7

php mysql session shopping-cart jquery jquery-ui datepicker

mootinator

4:12 PM

@CodingGorilla So, there probably aren't any Amish tech companies then eh?

drachenstern

Flooding in Brisbane Suburbs earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=48625

Yi Jiang

@Josh Hahaha

mootinator

Because they would be good answers to my question over on programmers.

Fosco

@TimStone nothing exciting, just a konami code reference for w3fools.com... if I knew how to link it i would

mootinator

;P

Coding Gorilla

4:13 PM

@mootinator There probably are, but I think they produce like horse drawn carriages =P

mootinator

lol

Tim Stone

@Fosco Ah ha. Still, being in a balpha Tweet is pretty hot stuff. ;)

drachenstern

@Fosco what's the URL for the tweet in reference?

Tim Stone

up up down down left right left right b a #w3fools /via @gfosco

Tweeted by balpha on January 17, 2011 at 6:35 PM

Fosco

@TimStone How did you get the URL?... damn #newtwitter

drachenstern

4:14 PM

http://twitter.com/#!/balpha/status/27071450368184322

Tim Stone

@Fosco The timestamp is a link

drachenstern

click the date

Fosco

oh, .. ok thank you.

drachenstern

damnit tim quit being faster than me :p

speaking of ... whose move is it?

Tim Stone

:P

drachenstern

4:15 PM

should I get my phone out?

Tim Stone

Mine still, I think.

Yi Jiang

I don't know why, but sometimes the Twitter OB URL doesn't seem to redirect properly on Firefox, and I get a 404

drachenstern

oh ok

Tim Stone

I got some obscure letters that don't play well off of slushy

drachenstern

lol, oh we started a new one yeah?

Tim Stone

4:15 PM

Yeah

drachenstern

I'm going to see if I can play as few letters as possible and try to force you to play outwards

reticulating splines and all that

huh > google.com/…

George Marian

I need to find 12-hour loratadine. The only thing I've seen so far is Claratin-D, which contains pseudoephedrine.

drachenstern

I wonder who at Maxis was the one to stumble across that word and thrust it upon the geekdom

George Marian

Interesting.

Josh

@GeorgeMarian I have to take Sudafed for my allergies, and it sucks

Also, federal law only allows me to buy 1/2 the normal dose, otherwise I must be making meth

George Marian

4:18 PM

@Josh I take it occasionally, when it's really bad.

drachenstern

@GeorgeMarian generally the -D less variety (Claritin, as opposed to Claritin-D) don't have ephe

Josh

I have bad allergies, and in the spring and fall I sometimes need 2 12-hour doses a day. Which is stupid because it means sleepless nights for me since I can only buy enough for 1 12-hr dose per day

Coding Gorilla

I always thought -D was for debuging...

George Marian

@Josh Yah. That drives me nuts.

drachenstern

I use Veramyst which helps with both my PND and my allergies

otherwise I live on stuff like claritin

Josh

4:20 PM

And the anti-pseudoephedrine laws have actually made meth production worse and created a new class of criminals who buy up pseudoephedrine products and sell them on the new black market for 700%+ markups

drachenstern

have you guys tried nasal sprays?

George Marian

@drachenstern Yah. I haven't found 5mg loratadine. It all seems to be 10mg.

Josh

your tax dollars at work... again...

Coding Gorilla

@Josh This is usually the case with over-regulation

Josh

@drachenstern no, I should. I hate the thought of it but if it works

@CodingGorilla Agreed

drachenstern

4:20 PM

@GeorgeMarian oh you need 5mg loratadine? ... have you tried asking an MD?

@Josh oh it works WELL

I use it once per morning and I'm good all day

Josh

I have tried the newer non-pseudoephedrine products and they're not as good

drachenstern

and I don't feel as shitty as I did taking pills

George Marian

Point is I tend to take diphenhydramine as a sleep aid. So, I'd like to limit the number of antihistamines in my system.

drachenstern

but I don't like the OTC sprays, literally I'm on a RX only spray

Josh

I'll try them, thanks @drachenstern. I despise sprays/drops/etc but if 5 min of discomfort keeps me feeling better all day/night, it's worth it

Fosco

4:21 PM

Awesome video commentary by Dr. Ben Goldacre on the Placebo Effect: idle.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=11/01/18/1637222

Josh

@GeorgeMarian yeah that's the other issue is pseudoephedrine makes you wired

drachenstern

@Josh try ten seconds of discomfort .. pretty much just worrying about the stuff dripping back down again. There's no burn, there's no pain

George Marian

@drachenstern I would if I had insurance. I would also like to actually know what''s causing it. But, I'm pretty certain it's mold allergies.

drachenstern

@GeorgeMarian a) mold allergies??? b) are you a 1099 then?

or just in between?

George Marian

@drachenstern I'm out of work, ATM. =(

drachenstern

4:23 PM

additionally, yeah, you need insurance for the good meds :( stupid capitalist system dominated by oil markets and corrupt political policies :(

Fosco

@GeorgeMarian I'm Jealous...

Coding Gorilla

New site proposal: allergies.se, go

mootinator

Boo... Dog is walking around being sick on everything :/

George Marian

@Fosco Don't be. It sucks, actually. Well, if the income was taken care of, it'd be fine. I could fill my time with productive activities just fine.

drachenstern

@GeorgeMarian wish I could help but Seattle is out of my ability there

@mootinator oh that sucks

mine has decided to shit about a half a regular load during the night while I sleep, even tho we walk about six times a day ... still goes during the day tho

George Marian

4:24 PM

@drachenstern Well, I am potentially willing to relocate. ;) (Though, I don't have to funds to do so. lol)

drachenstern

lol I had that problem for a while

Tim Stone

Everyone just needs to learn Java so I can hire you all in the future to do my work for me. ;)

George Marian

My father may have a lead for a construction supervisor job. But, I fear that he wants me to commit w/o it being a solid lead.

Josh

Oh, why oh why did I ever agree to let our CEO put this one new client on a payment plan?????

Tim Stone

We're no SOIS, but clearly I have liberal chat policies, and that's what it's all about.

George Marian

4:26 PM

@TimStone Actually, I do know Java. However, it's been a while.

Tim Stone

@Josh Oh, that's going down a dark road, heh.

drachenstern

@TimStone what're you talking about? They don't seem to be allowed to use chat :p

@TimStone bah, I'll do the .NET integration stuff for you

Yi Jiang

@TimStone @RebeccaChernoff If you want to I can add you two as viewer for the analytics data

Josh

@TimStone Yeah. She's now 3 payments behind and just made a measly little payment, not near what she owes. We're a SaaS company, not a bank!

Tim Stone

@YiJiang Sure :)

drachenstern

4:27 PM

Yah, we don't really do PHP, we're a .NET shop, and just hired a single guy for PHP fresh out of school, so I think that's shored up for now :\

Yi Jiang

I... just need your Google Account, hmmmm

Tim Stone

@Josh We're in the fortunate position of catering to customers who have plenty of money and budget far in advance, heh.

Josh

@TimStone Your company needs to switch to a better language so you can pay all us to do your work for you :-)

Tim Stone

@YiJiang You already have it, look at the commits.

drachenstern

Tim Stone

4:28 PM

Hahah

Josh

@TimStone We normally do, we get paid upfront. This one client asked for a payment plan and our CEO asked the partners (myself included) if we could give her one, something we never do

Tim Stone

@GeorgeMarian Conveniently, Java hasn't changed any in that time period, I'm sure >_>

Josh

That's what I get for trying to be nice, pffft

George Marian

@TimStone Lol, good point.

drachenstern

Note to self: > ID means # in selectors

Yi Jiang

4:30 PM

@TimStone Eh... where?

Tim Stone

@drachenstern I know, that's why I figure I have the leg up here. ;) Also, our particular client base is slave to different monopolies, and tends to shy away from .NET, heh :P

drachenstern

@TimStone and they choose Java?

oooh, misparsed that the first pass

Tim Stone

@YiJiang If you look at the log locally you should be able to see it.

George Marian

@drachenstern It may be that they chose Java, way back when.

drachenstern

@TimStone so I hear I can learn Java pretty quickly... what was the town in PA I need to relocate to again?

damn you C#, what happened to my ID???

<table id="emailTable" class="datatable" style="border-collapse: collapse;">

mootinator

4:32 PM

It D flat

Tim Stone

Our office is a bit north of Philly, but that's not where I live. ;)

drachenstern

<table cellpadding="0" border="0" style="border-collapse: collapse; width: 100%; font-size: medium;">

George Marian

@drachenstern heh

drachenstern

why oh why oh why do you feel the need to strip my effing ID and CLASS you stupid heffer

I must be looking at the wrong part of the code ...

reparsing

Yi Jiang

@TimStone I... don't quite get it. I don't see any email or anything in any of the logs

Tim Stone

4:34 PM

git log doesn't show you who committed?

George Marian

@YiJiang It should be attached to the user.

Yi Jiang

Oh, that

George Marian

LOL

Tim Stone

Yeah, sorry. I should have been more clear.

Yi Jiang

I see. Oh, why doesn't it show in the web interface?

Tim Stone

4:34 PM

So your email isn't all over the place, I suppose. :P

George Marian

@YiJiang Web interface? git on the command line, man! ;)

Yi Jiang

@GeorgeMarian On Github, I mean

George Marian

@YiJiang Yeah, I figured. I was just trying to be funny.

Yi Jiang

Eh... I only see my last four commits, probably because I messed up the commit history with my... erm... I don't know... urgh

Oh, there it is. Gosh, I'm dumb.

Eh... it's 12.30 am here. I need sleep, clearly.

George Marian

@YiJiang Have you seen Git Magic?

Yi Jiang

4:38 PM

@GeorgeMarian I probably should have read something like that before trying anything

Tim Stone

Why do I get five million tooltips on that page?

Yi Jiang

@TimStone It's thanking me everywhere

George Marian

@YiJiang Yup. Git is great, once you understand how it works.

Yi Jiang

Weeeiiirrrddd... I think it must have been a malformed HTML tag

drachenstern

2

Q: Identify which parameters were passed to a procedure (Oracle)

Procedures in PL/SQL can have default values for parameters, but the caller can pass values that are identical to the default values. Is there a way from within the PL/SQL to determine whether a parameter is passed? As implied this cannot be done by comparing the value with the default value.

oracle oracle-11g-r2 plsql

Tim Stone

4:39 PM

@YiJiang Everything has title attributes O_o

Yi Jiang

@TimStone jQuerify with Firequery, run jQuery('[title]').removeAttr('title'); :P

Tim Stone

@drachenstern Why would you need to know that? checks to see if there's more to the question.

drachenstern

why wouldn't you need to know that?

Tim Stone

@YiJiang Eheh

drachenstern

Consider this scenario:

I have a textbox on a page for searching details on that page. It on load says "Search" and on focus I want to remove "Search" but only if they didn't type in the literal word "Search". Because otherwise, how would they search for the word "Search".

Tim Stone

4:41 PM

But you wouldn't default to searching for search.

drachenstern

So how do you know if the word "Search" was the one they typed or the one you provided by default?

literally this is a real world example, it's what I'm working on right now ;)

Tim Stone

...Why would you provide it by default?

Yi Jiang

@drachenstern Eh... use a class, attach a submit even handler, prevent submission if the class is present

drachenstern

no no no, not as default, but as a label

it's a form of self labelling a field

@YiJiang yes, that is the solution I went for, however you're focusing on the problem I presented as a parallel

the question @TimStone asked is why would you need to do that for a procedure

in reference to my OB

Yi Jiang

@drachenstern Use the usual label in form element method - using CSS, position the label element in the input element

drachenstern

4:44 PM

Yi Jiang

Fade it out on focus, fade it in if the the textbox is empty on blur

Tim Stone

Yeah, I understand your example. But it doesn't really...relate. :P

drachenstern

I didn't want to put yet another element on the page (it's already busy enough) and I figure a self documenting textbox is sufficient with a modicum of training

mootinator

Use jQuery -- This isn't the definitive answer?

drachenstern

honestly if you see those two do you grok what is intended?

Tim Stone

4:44 PM

The search text being there is a user interface thing.

Why would you set a default value for a parameter if you cared if the default value was used or a value was passed that happened to be the same?

drachenstern

@TimStone but it does relate ... there are cases where you may need to know if the value being used in a query is the stagnant default or the actual passed value

Yi Jiang

Honestly, it's better if you use an additional label element - you are after all trying to label it, no?

drachenstern

@TimStone filtering logic is the only thing that occurs to me

@YiJiang no

Tim Stone

I don't get why you'd take two different paths on the same value. It seems like you had a poor choice of default value if that's the case.

drachenstern

I want to provide a clue. It doesn't need a label. In the full page it is a little more self-explanatory

@TimStone I'll go with that. But I see that there are some cases where you might want different logic depending on the two

a slim number of cases, but I can foresee that they would exist

Yi Jiang

4:46 PM

@drachenstern Meh, the other solution I've seen is to use search as the placeholder text

drachenstern

@YiJiang isn't that what I'm doing?

ohhh you mean with spaces

0

Q: Confirm that my.cnf file has loaded OK.

Does anyone know if there is a way to confirm if any my.cnf file is being read by MySQL? I only have the one my.cnf on the machine (and there are no my.ini files) which I have in /etc/my.cnf. When I run ./mysqld --help --versbose it doesn't give me the variable I have set in the file, so my ass...

mysql my.cnf

Yi Jiang

(Space there because it is assumed that the user will never input those intentionally)

Alternatively, use HTML placeholder attr, and ignore all other browsers that doesn't support it :P

drachenstern

that one I'm confused about

Yi Jiang

There are so many way to do this - I've seen too many of these questions on SO :P

drachenstern

Yeah, so I just attached a second class to the field and left it alone. (Literally called .leftAlone) so if it has that field they didn't type anything

she's running out of work!! Somebody /assign rchern! :p

cue her presence in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ...

balpha

4:50 PM

1

Q: What is the difference between “tits” and “boobs”?

What is the difference between “tits” and “boobs”? P.S. I'm not sure if this question is appropriate but as English is not my native language I really would love to know the difference.

usage differences vulgar

Yi Jiang

/assign rchern rubbish bin duties

Tim Stone

'Ello @balpha

drachenstern

@balpha you're too late, we've already been all over that

Yi Jiang

@balpha @drachenstern already posted that

balpha

grmph

drachenstern

4:50 PM

or rather, we'ld like to be all over that? <.< >.>

@balpha lol

@balpha rchernified!

oy

@balpha chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/search?q=hrmph&user=140548

drachenstern

hrm

Tim Stone

4:53 PM

...I see to be @-mentioned on that list an alarming number of times.

drachenstern

single letter 22 point placement activate!

@TimStone indeed

balpha

Maybe I should ask on english.se what the difference between "grmph" and "hrmph" is

drachenstern

I've come to see that I use this one too often chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/…

Yi Jiang

@balpha Different grunting sounds :P

Josh

@balpha grmph is more angry

What's your beef with the question?

drachenstern

4:54 PM

they're both artifacts?

Josh

Do I need to reiterate what I said to Moshe? :-)

drachenstern

@Josh whose beef and which question?

Rebecca Chernoff

Shocking. I switch back to this window and people are talking about me. >_<

Yi Jiang

'grmph' for Orcs :P

balpha

@Josh my beef is just that I was posting old news :)

drachenstern

4:54 PM

@RebeccaChernoff what's more shocking is we're talking about you when you don't switch back as well

Josh

@balpha oh HAHA

@RebeccaChernoff us? talking about you? never!

Rebecca Chernoff

@drachenstern |:

drachenstern

@RebeccaChernoff I can see that I have pleased the lady this morning ;)

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff @TimStone Can you check if you have analytics access now?

Just added

Tim Stone

\o/

I do.

Coding Gorilla

4:57 PM

@drachenstern Didn't we just have a discussion about inappropriate chat

drachenstern

ok, seriously, I've got a <div class="mid" id="emailTable"> and the ID doesn't make it to the page .. wtf?

Josh

@CodingGorilla yes and we concluded that if you're going to hang out in The Tavern, you'd better not get offended easily ;-)

Yi Jiang

bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/witness The BBC produces some very interesting history programs

drachenstern

@CodingGorilla yes and I already managed to forget what the point was

I think something about a working set of taps at the bar

Yi Jiang

@drachenstern Is the id unique?

drachenstern

4:58 PM

speaking of ... I need to go out for drinks sometime soon

I should also meetup with the local jQuery or whomever has one meetups in town

@YiJiang yes, cos it's manually assigned by me

Yi Jiang

No other reason why it might not appear - check whatever server-side language you're using, and maybe caching

Josh

@drachenstern I'm still waiting for @RebeccaChernoff to arrange a SO meetup

drachenstern

oooooooh damnit for having four similarly formatted grids all in a row

I put it on the OTHER table ... ffs

Tim Stone

Whoops :P

Rebecca Chernoff

@Josh o:

drachenstern

5:00 PM

but it still should've selected on a $('#emailTable') and instead I got a null back

that's what's confusing me

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Confirm you have analytics access

Tim Stone

@YiJiang has entered command mode.

Yi Jiang

@TimStone Hahaha

Rebecca Chernoff

hrmph.

confirms

Yi Jiang

@RebeccaChernoff Give me mod access. Kill Jeff Atwood. (Hmm... what else?)

drachenstern

5:02 PM

@YiJiang /assign ???

Tim Stone

My packet loss is slightly higher today. UNACCEPTABLE!

Rebecca Chernoff

|:

Josh

@YiJiang Are you looking for a ban?

@TimStone get out those chopsticks

Yi Jiang

Say, why are 10k tools called 'moderator' tools?

Rebecca Chernoff

@YiJiang I'd like to keep my job, kthx.

Tim Stone

5:03 PM

To make you feel speshul.

@Josh Hahah :P

Yi Jiang

There seems to be some confusion among new users about the difference between the two

drachenstern

because 10k users can moderate, to some extent, no?

Yi Jiang

@drachenstern But usually when we say stuff like 'call a mod' or 'she's a mod for Webapps' we don't mean 10k users

drachenstern

true

Yi Jiang

Those 'mod tools' aren't really giving us anything near mod powers

Just... a bunch of stats.

drachenstern

5:10 PM

close and the like no?

Josh

@Sathya is here!!!!!!!!

How goes?

drachenstern

Hello @Sathya ... what do you think we can do to spur more participation in dba.SE?

Sathya

hey @Josh, you new gravatar confused me :)

@Josh I'm good :)

@drachenstern hi! Think we need to publicize it more.

Josh

It's a flagged & starred post

drachenstern

@Sathya I agree there but where :\

Yi Jiang

5:12 PM

@Josh Say, where is that famous post now?

Sathya

@drachenstern I'll be starting on my twitter stream soon, got a decent Oracle following

Coding Gorilla

@drachenstern I just joined, that should help =D

Sathya

@Josh o_0 what was that for

Josh

Jan 11 at 1:00, by Michael Mrozek

The flagged star is becoming the unofficial Tavern mascot:

2

XD

Sathya

seems like I missed a lot, @Josh

Josh

5:13 PM

I IS A MASCOTT

@Sathya Just more of the usual insanity ;-)

drachenstern

@Sathya ORA would be very nice

@CodingGorilla good, post like 17 new questions ;)

hey Josh I resolved that altho

Coding Gorilla

@drachenstern But I already know everything, I have nothing to ask :(

Sathya

@drachenstern I still firmly believe that the name scares away folks. I brought it up first on meta ( got downvoted). Some other person brought it up on Meta.DBA and got upvoted like lots :P

drachenstern

Is this the right format for referring? http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/9293/2161 ?

Josh

> The usage to associate tits with boobs tho

@drachenstern

I can't in good conscious upvote a post on English.SE that says "tho"

Sathya

5:15 PM

@drachenstern yes, that'll get you couple of badges, too

drachenstern

@Sathya I do too, that's why I am trying to suggest new names on meta.dba

@Josh oh, I missed those

also, it's how all the cool kids talk ;)

@Sathya that's what I'm aiming for ;)

Sathya

btw @Josh in case it wasn't obvious, I've put in my nomination as a Diamond for SU superuser.com/election /shameless selfpromo

Yi Jiang

I'm curious, what happens if that English question gains enough hotness to appear as a ad on SO?

drachenstern

thanks @Josh

Sathya

@drachenstern I haven't visited dba today, but got a great answer yesterday

drachenstern

5:16 PM

@Sathya congrats then :D

I try and check in daily, doesn't always happen

Sathya

4

Q: Calculating percentage of a row over total sum

Apologies for the bad title, I wasn't sure what would be a good title for this. This is currently (simplified view of the) data I'm working with Agent | Commission ---------|------------ Smith | 100 Neo | 200 Morpheus | 300 I need to calculate the percentage of the t...

aggregate oracle-10g-r2

Josh

@Sathya you get my vote!

Sathya

@drachenstern yeah, I spend waay too much time in SU.. though I do have the beta badge for dba :D

@Josh :D

Coding Gorilla

@drachenstern Oh, I got a great question to ask!

drachenstern

@CodingGorilla come on with it then ;)

@Sathya same here :D

Coding Gorilla

5:18 PM

I think this will be my first question ever, on any SE site

mootinator

I got a 'nice question' already on programmers, hehe.

Josh

OK lunchtime for me. Catch you boobs later. Er, um, I mean titmouses. Or would it be titmice?

mootinator

Hooray for subjectivity.

Josh

Sathya

laters @Josh just thought I'll peek in before I go off to sleep

Josh

5:19 PM

@Sathya glad you did. sleep well!

drachenstern

@Sathya night!

Yi Jiang

Okay, I seriously need sleep. Just spelt identicon as favicon ><

Tim Stone

Whoops, get to bed!

Sathya

thanks, 'night @drachenstern & @Josh

Yi Jiang

I'm seriously contemplating sharing that English question on Facebook :P

drachenstern

5:22 PM

@YiJiang I just did ;)

mootinator

@YiJiang This must be the work of a decepticon!

drachenstern

facebook.com/cole.brand/posts/119958541410060

is that visible to ya'll?

Yi Jiang

@drachenstern Yes

drachenstern

"What is the difference between 'tits' and 'boobs'?" http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/9293/2161 (cc @codinghorror)

Tweeted by drachenstern on January 19, 2011 at 5:17 PM

I also tweeted it ;)

@averyj yeah blog about that, I am curious about the state of mono for big asp.net apps.. guess why? :)

Tweeted by codinghorror on January 19, 2011 at 6:21 AM in reply to averyj

Sathya

btw, @drachenstern is similar to Eliza Dushku :P ( well, so says twitter anyway :P )

cheers!

drachenstern

5:30 PM

lol, I wouldn't doubt it ;)

You should follow all four of those people @Sathya ;)

Coding Gorilla

@drachenstern dba.stackexchange.com/questions/710/…

Sathya

I think I'll stick to just 2 of them :P

//laters

drachenstern

@CodingGorilla it really is about the indexes. Can you post any more information on the DDL or the indexes involved?

I really know more about SQLServer than I do about ORA, but in this case, it also depends on the type of table (in a SQLServer context) heap versus clustered

Coding Gorilla

There are 34 indexes on the one table, the index data is actually larger than the data itself (I didnt build this bahemoth)

drachenstern

zomg

does Oracle have a heap versus clustered indexing strategy?

yeah, you're killing yourself on the indexes, add that to the question, it's important

Yi Jiang

5:36 PM

3

Q: IT'S OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!! (elections available only to high rep users)

I am worried that the moderators can now only be selected from those with 10.3k reputation. I understand that we must limit our options using some method, as too many choices would make this process more difficult. However: - Very high rep users are not any more likely to moderate than those i...

discussion reputation moderator-nomination election

Brilliant title!

Coding Gorilla

@drachenstern Oracle doesn't support clustered indexes I dont believe, but they do have a couple of different indexing methods

the research I've done indicates that we're using the appropriate method though

@drachenstern updated the question btw

drachenstern

K /me /afk atm

Coding Gorilla

I need a better way to keep up with the 15 SE sites that I want to participate on... it's really hard switching back and forth between all sites

how do you guys do such?

Tim Stone

I just opted to not follow many sites at the moment, heh.

I've actually been fairly inactive except on Meta, though I do visit the rest daily.

drachenstern

The supermulticollider and this room

Coding Gorilla

5:45 PM

@drachenstern what's that

drachenstern

The supermulticollider is that thing on the top left

Josh

ok, got distracted by Pollyanna

0

A: IT'S OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!! (elections available only to high rep users)

There have been a number of similar arguments on the ServerFault election page as well, notably: I think a balance of 10k and non-10k users is important in moderator circles, as it prevents grandfathering (i.e. "That's just the way it's always been done") and provides new insight. – Mark...

balpha

Poll: Who here thinks that interesting tags are yellow, who thinks they're pink?

Tim Stone

Pink? O_o

Josh

now I'm headed to lunch

Coding Gorilla

5:47 PM

Brown?

balpha

0

Q: Why do some questions in SO now have a pink background?

Title say it all. This seemed to happen in the past 24 hours.

support user-interface

Tim Stone

>_>

Yi Jiang

@balpha Teh pinkz! Itz teh unicorns! They've come, deliverance is here!

balpha

#FFEFC6

clearly a yellow

Tim Stone

Oh, you know what?

It actually does look pink on my laptop, WTF.

Clearly my colour profile is wonky

Yi Jiang

5:49 PM

I don't know, color blind?

balpha

laptops tend to be set to a very cold color temperature

which makes bright colors more blue

Tim Stone

Certainly not pink pink, but I guess I can see how you'd mistake it.

drachenstern

I say goldish

Tim Stone

Yi Jiang

Orange - yellow

@TimStone Grapefruit color :P

Tim Stone

5:57 PM

Heheh :P

Fosco

coral

drachenstern

I've never noticed that pinkish on my laptop, and I use it regularly

I guess I know how to configure my machine for color levels amongst other preferences :\

Tim Stone

I never really noticed it before, it seems most other colours appear the same on both.

drachenstern

@TimStone looking at your screenshots the colors are cooler, the greens and reds are darker

mootinator

Disadvantage to telecommuting #37. Crying babies are loud.

Tim Stone

6:06 PM

Yeah, the photo is slightly misleading too, there's a bigger difference there than in actuality.

Octavian Damiean

evening

drachenstern

Nooning

oh crap, it just ticked over to noon

Octavian Damiean

lol

Coding Gorilla

It's 1pm :P

Tim Stone

My stomach demands lunch, but my work schedule demands I be done by now..

@CodingGorilla Exactly ;)

Octavian Damiean

6:08 PM

lunch is a fantastic idea actually

drachenstern

that's ok, I've got an array out of bounds on something that shouldn't be out of bounds :\

Coding Gorilla

I just finished lunch, but I'm still hungry :(

drachenstern

oh /facepalm ... new list new name ... the old one would be empty of course

Octavian Damiean

well actually not lunch but dinner already

mootinator

status-chef-boyardee-mini-ravioli-eaten

drachenstern

6:19 PM

lol

[status-should-go-home-and-walk-the-dogs-and-eat-a-sandwhich]

mootinator

heh

drachenstern

Oy this page is getting too UI heavy :(

Coding Gorilla

@mootinator Sorry for being a newbie, how do you do that? :(

mootinator

@CodingGorilla What @drachenstern did, only...different...somehow

drachenstern

hey mine didn't statusify :(

I thought it would at some point ... probably too long

status-should-go-home-and-walk-the-dogs

status-should-go-home-and-eat-a-sandwhich

status-should-stop-abusing-status

3

@CodingGorilla go ahead and give it a miss

mootinator

6:21 PM

Ah yes. multiple tags.

Octavian Damiean

if just does not like dogs and sandwhich in the same sentence

drachenstern

the ole college try, as it were

Coding Gorilla

You just put status- in front of it?

mootinator

And [] around it.

drachenstern

and in brackets, yes

also, hyphenated not spaced

mootinator

6:22 PM

And it has to be the only thing on the line or something.

Coding Gorilla

status-needs-to-learn

drachenstern

going to the sandbox ...

Fosco

status-needs-a-vacation

drachenstern

apparently 50 chars after the status-

Yeah I'm gonna pass @YiJiang before he gets back on ... wonder what that says about me :\

mootinator

@drachenstern We should vote for you for community moderator so you have less time to chat?

drachenstern

6:27 PM

@mootinator nah, the only thing that would encourage is me losing my job :p ;) ~ Maybe not even then, I could learn to be like @TimStone and barely sleep?

Coding Gorilla

Can you vote yet? I think you can only nominate?

Octavian Damiean

indeed

ChrisF

status-should-be-wallpapering

drachenstern

only nominations at this time

Tim Stone

@drachenstern That's not a skill you want to have.

Coding Gorilla

6:35 PM

status-should-be-working-but-waiting-on-idiot-contractor

Tim Stone

Additionally, I thought it was alright to walk outside without shoes on...and I was right, until I accidentally stepped in water.

Octavian Damiean

lol

drachenstern

@TimStone true, but I could find a way to swing it to my advantage I'm sure ... somewhere

Tim Stone

Heh :P

drachenstern

188.65.36.75/2011/01/18/…

look at the inner ring of the CD

Fosco

6:46 PM

what about it?

drachenstern

the fact that the icon for iTunes that most of us see only at 32x32 or 64x64 has detail fine enough to include the inner edge stamp of a typical CD (albeit Apple and iTunes)

you gotta expand the image naturally ...

mootinator

status-deprecated

drachenstern

What is?

Oh, that's the old one isn't it? yeah, but still

that's a lot of dedication

mootinator

True.

Makes the new one seem even less cool.

I think they should have incorporated an 8-track tape somehow.

ChrisF

@drachenstern - I might have to take back what I said about my ISP yesterday. No news at all on the problem

Coding Gorilla

6:58 PM

The new one is probably more appropriate if you consider they want to sell you iTunes, not CD's

and seriously, who uses CD's anymore? :P

drachenstern

I prefer the archivability of CDs but not the cost associated with transcoding them to digital files

mootinator

;)

drachenstern

Also the higher bitrates

mootinator

Speaking of things nobody uses.

Tim Stone

@ChrisF You'll have to do like everyone else and run a fiber optic cable from my house. ;)

mootinator

6:59 PM

jQuery to the rescue!

Tim Stone

\o/

mootinator

plugins.jquery.com/project/clippy

Tim Stone

Brilliant

Coding Gorilla

I miss clippy... he was the only friend I had for a long time

Octavian Damiean

wouldn't be clippy awesome on SO?

mootinator

7:02 PM

It looks like you're asking a subjective question! I can help you re-word that.

Octavian Damiean

It looks like you are struggling to paste your code. Can I help you?

Coding Gorilla

2

A classic :D

Octavian Damiean

lol

Tim Stone

It looks like you forgot to put vowels in your words. Do you need help locating those keys?

drachenstern

How do I find out the currently hottest SE questions?

Octavian Damiean

7:06 PM

:D

@drachenstern ask clippy

drachenstern

lol

mootinator

wtf?

Coding Gorilla

@TimStone that's awesome, I love SLaks comment

drachenstern

stackexchange.com/questions/custom <-- right?

see #2

mootinator

It's deleted...

drachenstern

7:07 PM

also, should that be protected to prevent additional 1rep answers?

deleted?

WTF?

mootinator

Page not found...

drachenstern

I see that

WHY?

@balpha you around?

mootinator

Were there useful answers on it?

drachenstern

There were.

balpha

@drachenstern yep

drachenstern

7:09 PM

why? what did it do to anyone that was so bad?

Coding Gorilla

OMG!

My eyes!!

badp

@drachenstern honestly I don't think it was @balpha deleting it?

drachenstern

I know it wasn't, but I know that he can look at it

he has powers, no?

mootinator

Supreme 10k powers on english?

drachenstern

he's like a blue diamond ... they have powers

mootinator

7:11 PM

oh ahh

drachenstern

and he expressed an interest in that question earlier

balpha

yeah, I actually found it interesting

drachenstern

I thought that it was a perfectly acceptable question and I was pretty sure my answer made it a legitimate question with acceptable answers

mmeyers and others seemed to think it was fine, figured if anyone can deduce why, a blue diamond mod could

mootinator

I want to read this question now.

I'm supposing it was legitimate despite the title :)

Michael Mrozek

You could just ask on their meta

drachenstern

7:15 PM

poking about, but at the time there was an indication on the question itself in the comments that this was already established on their own meta

that this sort of question was acceptable. I can't exactly pull it up now to quote it

Moshe

@Zypher - Added you.

Zypher

schweet

Moshe

Assuming that you were the random email I got this morning with a UDID.

:-D

mootinator

7

Q: Offensive/NSFW words: what are the boundaries?

We have already established that this is a language site, and even offensive words are part of language. As such, these may be discussed on the site from time to time, in which case they might appear uncensored (at the writer's discretion). I think this is appropriate. On the other end of the ...

discussion

drachenstern

0

Q: What was the motivation to close "tits and boobies" because that was a valid question, no?

I don't have the text anymore (caching) so I can't quote it, but I know that the commentary already had some discussion from site-mods saying that it was acceptable, and quoting meta questions here. So why was http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/9293/what-is-the-difference-between-tits-...

discussion appropriate-questions

badp

7:18 PM

oh, come on

Zypher

@Moshe haha

balpha

@drachenstern the onebox contains the full text

drachenstern

but not the comments

it's the comments that I want access to, one of the posters linked to two meta discussions, and a snapshot of the whole list would be nice

badp

I had to wipe my Chrome profile. Now I can't anymore set my sans serif default font because the settings UI don't expose it.

drachenstern

ok, asked on meta and chat so let's see if anyone responds

badp

7:20 PM

Now Plain Clothes changes everything to Arial. Gross!

Moshe

@CodingGorilla Heh, Clippy was enough to drive anyone to do that.

Tim Stone

@badp Ew! Unacceptable!

badp

I don't even know how to phrase this in a googleable form...

Moshe

@drachenstern Where did that site get those icons from?

badp

because it appears I can change the font, except it's only the sans serif default

drachenstern

7:21 PM

idk, I linked the article

balpha

> Seeing how this has collected two offensive flags within 50 minutes of being posted, I would like to remind everybody that this is a totally valid question for this site. (See meta question one, meta question two.) I do understand your frustration if you're browsing from a workplace where tits are not tolerated, but please take that up with the workplace and not with Sergey.

– RegDwight 3 hours ago

drachenstern

you'll have to scroll up and check

@balpha number one, thanks

Coding Gorilla

any know what domain emails from SE come from? I need to put it on a whitelist

Moshe

@Zypher - Any ideas for what achievements to add to the game?

Zypher

hmm not sure, not gonna get a chance to really play until my ride home tonight .. but there are the normal score based one

and sold x amount of x ones

drachenstern

7:24 PM

Thanks again @balpha now to see if the community over there responds

Moshe

@Zypher - Okay, fair enough. Well, there's an achievement called "Reminisce" (Awarded for downloading the game.)

Got this on my profile's envelope: Sam
403210
commented on
BRAVO FOR BEING CONSICE & TO THE POINT Please forgive us who need so many unnessary words, making this comment area dirty and off topicy!

drachenstern

@Josh scroll up to my most recent OB

Moshe

@Zypher - There is a minor cheat, but nothing to exciting.

Anyone know what's up with that "BRAVO FOR BEING CONCISE..." link?

Zypher

ah

Moshe

Which was unclickable, btw.

Zypher

7:26 PM

i don't like cheats till my second or third playthough :)

Tim Stone

@drachenstern Well, it's probably not super likely you'll get the six people who flagged it offensive to explain why they did. :P

Zypher

although i do miss the way doom let you know you where in GOD MODE

Moshe

@Zypher - Okay, let me know when you're ready for me to tell you what it is. Just a little quick cash.

Josh

@drachenstern just got back

drachenstern

@TimStone so you think it was removed by flag and not by delete?

Tim Stone

7:27 PM

I'd suspect so.

Moshe

@TimStone I'll explain if necessary.

Tim Stone

But, I could be wrong.

drachenstern

Regardless, it needs to be sorted out on the meta over there, because they've got a conflicting community

Josh

WTF they deleted it?

drachenstern

@TimStone would be handy if @balpha would tell me wouldn't it? ;)

@Josh that's the idea :(

makes me want to go and post other similar questions :p

also, causes me to have a reprecalc serious loss over there </wah>

Tim Stone

7:28 PM

@drachenstern There are moderators on that site that can sort it out for you, hopefully they'll see your meta post. :P

mootinator

"What is the difference between ** and **?"

drachenstern

@TimStone oh yeah, the highest rep user there commented and said it was acceptable. Go figure.

Moshe

@mootinator Where * and * are not potentially offensive words.

drachenstern

"The one person we trust the most said it was ok, but it creeped me out so I'm going to flag it anyways"

badp

@drachenstern I wish edit proposals were on

mootinator

7:29 PM

@Moshe What is the difference between cock and rooster?

Moshe

@drachenstern Not everyone always looks for the highest rep user. Rep indicates knowledge of the subject matter and involvement.

@mootinator In that context, one is you trying to be a wise-guy and the other one is irrelevant because of the first one.

drachenstern

@Moshe on this particular site you would have to admit that the subject matter is rather narrowly focused

Tim Stone

@drachenstern People saw the title on the front page an immediately went for the flag button, I'm sure, heh.

drachenstern

I think it's evident that he's involved if he has the highest rep, so most everyone would know the name

Tim Stone

Reading on English? Not required!

mootinator

7:30 PM

@Moshe It's not just me trying to be a wiseguy, I really don't know the difference ;)

drachenstern

imagine if JeffAtwood said "this question is acceptable on SO" and six people flagged it as being not acceptable?

Moshe

@mootinator Your example is slightly different, because it wasn't the comparison between two obscene words. I wouldn't flag that if it were serious.

drachenstern

@mootinator a cock can be a male bird, it doesn't have to be a rooster.

@Moshe so you thought that boobies was obscene? You wouldn't teach your child to say boobies instead of breasts?

mootinator

@drachenstern Thanks. I did not know that.

Tyler Chacha

So, I just came up with this really cool idea...

Josh

7:32 PM

@drachenstern I have an older copy of the question open, do you need any of the HTML?

Moshe

@drachenstern - Nobody, not even Jeff himself, can dictate what other people are sensitive to. That's the point.

drachenstern

boobies is seriously a child friendly word

Moshe

@TylerChacha I'm listening.

drachenstern

@Moshe no, you're missing my point and trying to be pedantic

Moshe

@drachenstern Why do children need to be discussing that?

Tyler Chacha

7:32 PM

Basically, I want to clean out an old 70s van with a jacquzi.

drachenstern

@Josh the comments of the question really, so yours is likely too old

Tyler Chacha

And take it around 100 miles off the coast of africa

drachenstern

@TylerChacha say that again?

Josh

@drachenstern probably so

Moshe

Honestly, those are usually immature conversation. That is not something to be encouraged.

drachenstern

7:32 PM

@Moshe little girls emulate women, women have breasts, little girls are curious

mootinator

@Moshe Why is it off color for children to discuss something they spent the first 6 months of their lives sucking on?

2

drachenstern

@Moshe you don't have children do you?

Josh

@Moshe what world do you live in where kids don't joke about "boobies"?

Moshe

@drachenstern Okay, so it depends on context.

drachenstern

it's RATHER EVIDENT THAT YOU DON'T

Josh

7:33 PM

@mootinator hear hear

Moshe

@drachenstern Ok, so?

Tyler Chacha

@drachenstern I want to take one of those old vans, the ones with shrag carpet and whatever, with a jacquiz

drachenstern

so it makes a huge difference

Moshe

@drachenstern Why?

Tyler Chacha

Then, we go about 100 miles off the coast of Africa, and get in the jacquzi

drachenstern

7:33 PM

you're worried about what people are going to think when they see it on your screen.

I'm thinking it's a valid way for a person to learn more about English

Moshe

@drachenstern Right, so?

drachenstern

@mootinator you should also post that on the site btw

Tim Stone

@TylerChacha This...sound a bit strange. :P

Tyler Chacha

We put a brick on the gas, set at 60 MPH, and let it just start driving for the coast of Africa.

drachenstern

@Moshe so then don't open the damned page

Moshe

7:34 PM

@drachenstern True.

Tyler Chacha

We enjoy the jacquzi, along with the thrill of the ride, because..

drachenstern

@TylerChacha you're making this sound really odd

Tim Stone

I'm definitely missing some context/reference here.

Fosco

I think his point was that he didn't have a choice about opening the page... the one box does it for you.

Josh

@TylerChacha is this rant directed at anyone in particular? ;-)

Tyler Chacha

7:35 PM

The car won't stop. Every person is given a parachute and has to jump off before it reaches the cliff..

Rebecca Chernoff

Oy

2

Moshe

@Fosco That was my original point, yes.

drachenstern

@AlisonS welcome, are you by chance here on account of my English.SE post?

Moshe

sighs at how quickly oy was starred

Josh

@TimStone regarding the boobies discussion or the car with the jacquzi?

Fosco

7:35 PM

/me is fast.

Tyler Chacha

Once the car reaches the cliff, it tumbles into the ocean, releasing environmentally enzymes and chemicals that will help clean up the ocean

mootinator

@drachenstern I've just gotten a deluge of e-mail. I'll likely not remember once this is dealt with.

Rebecca Chernoff

@Moshe, never fails, sigh

drachenstern

@Fosco and my point is it's a fracking question, we come here to discuss the validity of questions, you can't escape that in this room

Tim Stone

@Josh What Tyler is on about, yes.

drachenstern

7:35 PM

that is the point OF THIS ROOM

Moshe

@drachenstern Okay, okay, stop shouting.

Josh

@TimStone I missed it too, LOL

Tyler Chacha

So yeah ... a bunch of people enjoy a jacquzi for about an hour and a half, and then we all jump off and watch it sink into the ocean

Fosco

well, I don't think this room is really the place to discuss the validity of questions...

Moshe

@TylerChacha and it lands a hunk of metal in the ocean.

Tim Stone

7:36 PM

@Josh OK, as long as I'm not the only one.

Rebecca Chernoff

@drachenstern, you posted the question on their meta, that's the proper place for it.

Tyler Chacha

@Moshe Yes.

badp

@Moshe The truth is, there's always a valid reason for an "Oy", even if she doesn't know why.

Fosco

as in, that's not the purpose of this room.. but it's a valid place to do such a thing.

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff Indeed.

Moshe

7:36 PM

@TylerChacha Terrible for the environment.

drachenstern

@RebeccaChernoff he's complaining about the OB of the question in the first place

@RebeccaChernoff sorry but you're missing context

Moshe

Ok, for the record:

Josh

@Fosco wait, you're saying this room does have a purpose then?

drachenstern

his complaint was that the fact that this room OB'd the question on * that it showed up on his screen and he couldn't prevent it

Tyler Chacha

@Moshe I'll find some way to clean it up... but the Pacific waste dump isn't that sparkly either..

Josh

7:37 PM

if so, I totally missed it ;-)

Fosco

@Josh It's purpose may be the lack of purpose.

2

Josh

@Fosco I find this profound somehow

Moshe

Can we please not post OneBox links or photos that people might find offensive? Forget wether it it's right or wrong. I'm not here to pass judgement on people's morals. Please do me a favor and be sensitive.

drachenstern

@Fosco ok, better than mine, I agree ;)

Fosco

@Josh Hehe... I often plan to not have plans.

drachenstern

7:38 PM

@Moshe well for starters I've never heard anyone say that * is offensive, so that's new by me, thus making it harder to avoid such a post

Rebecca Chernoff

@drachenstern I'm simply speaking generally.

drachenstern

(edited for Moshe)

Josh

@Moshe ...maybe you're in the wrong room...

Moshe

@drachenstern Fair enough.

@Josh Whoa.

drachenstern

@RebeccaChernoff well yeah, hence why I asked for bluemod help here then went there and posted it

Fosco

7:39 PM

You cannot expect safety in an internet chat room.

Rebecca Chernoff

I think everybody needs to calm down. ):

Moshe

True.

I'm calm.

I'm going to pretend this never happened.

drachenstern

are we not calm? I passed tension about ten minutes ago

Rebecca Chernoff

It doesn't seem calm in here.

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff I'm playing WwF, I'm not sure what's up with everyone else ;)

Josh

7:40 PM

@Moshe No, what I mean is, this room is hardly the place where everyone is serious and posts only on-topic, non-offensive images/oneboxes/messages/etc

Moshe

Everything from before this message did not happen.

drachenstern

@Josh indeed, we've posted more than one marginallyNSFW pics in here

Moshe

@Josh Not sure what you're talking aobut.

Rebecca Chernoff

WHY CAN I NOT TYPE CALM (and I totally just added the n again...) CORRECTLY THE FIRST TIME?!

Josh

This room is a free-for-all. If you aren't comfortable with that, then you should be in a room that stays on topic

Tim Stone

7:40 PM

CLAM!

drachenstern

@RebeccaChernoff because you're not calm?

mootinator

@RebeccaChernoff You know what makes me calm down? Looking at pictures of ___.

Moshe

@Josh Interesting point.

Rebecca Chernoff

...

Jin

this calmed me down today:

Fosco

7:40 PM

@mootinator LOL

@mootinator lolcatz!

@mootinator kittens? flowers? daisys? puppies?

Moshe

@Jin - KNow where I can get some 512x512 images for my Game Center achievements?

Michael Mrozek

Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens?

Jin

7:41 PM

@Moshe no

Moshe

@RebeccaChernoff Hey, it's not oy.

mootinator

Somehow Jin just knew it was ST:TNG characters.

Josh

To emphasize, @Moshe and @RebeccaChernoff, I am not upset at all, I'm very calm and didn't mean to upset anyone with my comments. My tone (which cannot be conveyed through text alone) was not angry, upset or demeaning.

Moshe

@Josh Valid point.

Michael Mrozek

My tone is always demeaning

2

Josh

7:42 PM

@MichaelMrozek that's why I am voting for you for SO mod ;-)

Jin

@MichaelMrozek oh yeah gl with that.

drachenstern

@Josh I get upset when people tell me * is offensive and obscene and I shouldn't post that word on IRC style rooms ... so I'll admit to getting upset

Fosco

Yeah I'll also vote for @MichaelMrozek

and Lasse V Karlsen

Michael Mrozek

@Jin Thanks. My original hope was to make it through the primaries; now I've settled for hoping I make it to the primaries

drachenstern

I'm also told I routinely sound like I'm talking down to people, which I don't intend, except like maybe one in a thousand or two thousand posts, but I tend to make it obvious then that I'm talking down

@Fosco your sentiments mirror mine

Tim Stone

7:44 PM

Owe, my stomach hurts. Damn you chicken lo mien!

drachenstern

speaking of food, I should eat and walk my dogs ... I'm gone for the next 45 or so guys

Josh

@TimStone Yuck :-( I hope you feel better!

Fosco

I love boobs.

drachenstern

gone meaning on my iOS instead of my desktop

Jin

@TimStone i told the chinese place to put some "special sauce" in your lo mien, for beating me in WwF...

Tim Stone

7:45 PM

@Josh I'm hoping it's just because I'm a pig and stuffed myself. :P

SwDevMan81

Whats on tap in this tavern?

Tim Stone

@Jin I made it myself ;)

Though I did just save myself from giving you a very nice place to play your Q..

SwDevMan81

homemade jin... sweet

Josh

@SwDevMan81 Today? The Brew of Discontent, apparently ;-)

SwDevMan81

haha

Jin

7:45 PM

@TimStone oh. well i'd keep an eye open if i were you next time you go to a chinese take out place...

Josh

Shall I pour you a tall frosty mug of it @SwDevMan81? :-)

Tim Stone

@Jin I'll be on guard now. That might be problematic when I go back to Hong Kong though...damn

SwDevMan81

yes, as long as its as cool as the droid beer app

Rebecca Chernoff

Oh that reminds me. @drachenstern, boooooooooooooooo at your last move.

Fosco

@RebeccaChernoff I thought my last move was pretty cheap too..

balpha

7:48 PM

@drachenstern you might want to do that the other way around :)

Josh

HAHAHA

drachenstern

Do what the other way round?

Josh

That's awful and hysterical simultaneously, @balpha

drachenstern

Also, see here mrs 150 on one play ...

Yeah it was cheap ;)

Josh

@drachenstern eat and walk your dogs

drachenstern

7:49 PM

Of course

But eat comes before walk

Damn you mind that does ORDER BY 1 ASC by nature ;)

Tim Stone

He eats them, then walks it off.

SwDevMan81

haha, that how u get cramps

Josh

I think @balpha meant, um, how to explain... OK. $('.dogs').eat().walk()

balpha

once again, jQuery to the rescue

Rebecca Chernoff

Really? You're explaining by using jQuery?

Oy.

Tim Stone

7:51 PM

It's the solution to all things.

Why does this surprise you?

Josh

@RebeccaChernoff Look who my audience is. Gotta talk at their level!

Tim Stone

Prototype heretic!

Josh

@balpha, I notice that the list of starred items grows and shrinks to fir the available real estate it has. So bigger windows show more stars and hiding the rooms shows more stars. This is amazing and impressive and gives me a great idea...

mootinator

Vegas Starring Odds: Really? You're explaining by using jQuery? (1%) Oy. (67%)

drachenstern

Cos it should be $(this).eat().find('dogs').walk()

balpha

7:53 PM

@Josh interesting that you notice that now, it's always been like that

Josh

If you use a userscript to remove starred "Oy"s and starred "..."s from the right hand list, will more starred items appear???

balpha

(the room list does the same)

Josh

@balpha I've always known that, the idea above I just had this morning

Ah, @MarcGravell is here to help with my great idea as well!

drachenstern

Good question!

Tim Stone

Run Marc, run!

Josh

7:55 PM

yes, it works!!!

Right @balpha?

Moshe

I was wondering what I forgot to install on my iPhone 4.

Wwf it is.

Marc Gravell

@Josh (rubs tired eyes) you what now?

Moshe

@Josh I've thought of that before. It is a good idea.

Tim Stone

I think he's just entered in a delusional state, don't worry.

balpha

@Josh The answer, my friend...

►

Josh

7:57 PM

@MarcGravell If I use jQuery to .remove() <li> elements from #starred-posts that contain, oh I don't know, "Oy" for example, will new starred posts appear automatically to replace them?

Fosco

@Josh .I'm guessing no.

Rebecca Chernoff

@balpha, grrr, I was typing out the rest of that sentence. >_<

balpha

@Josh no, there's just 10 in the DOM

Marc Gravell

I would agree no... unless I special-case your event queue to drip-feed you fake "Oy"s every so often.

balpha

(just make the window high enough, you'll see it)

Josh

7:58 PM

damn. OK. This will have to be more complicated then.

Marc Gravell

so tempting to do a site-wide "Oy"...

Tim Stone

Hahah

Marc Gravell

heck, I could go to chat.SE and do a network-wide "Oy"

2

Rebecca Chernoff

|:

Josh

@MarcGravell I can't wait until 4/1, I'm sure "Oy" will be making a grand appearance somewhere ;-)

Rebecca Chernoff

7:59 PM

I do not support this activity.

3

George Marian

Oy...hurray for allergies. What should've taken 30 mins, took me 3x as long.

Josh

@RebeccaChernoff I hope you feel honored to have earned my final star of the day

Marc Gravell

@Josh I have a few Oy ideas; that wasn't one of them, but I'm Oy sure we can Oy find somewhere to fit it in.

And why would we wait almost a year until Jan 4th? what is special about that?

Josh

@MarcGravell I support that on April 1 we add a reason to close posts as "Oy!"

George Marian

I Oy'd that last message just for you guys. :D

Tim Stone

8:00 PM

Why is there a wall of stars again?

Michael Mrozek

If only I could run for meta mod...

2

This. ↑

@MarcGravell Yes sorry, I was doing m/d which I agree is backwards

George Marian

@TimStone Apparently, a rash of oys. ;)

Tim Stone

8:01 PM

I mean, I know what I say is golden, but "Hahah" isn't that exciting. :P

Josh

@TimStone DONT STAR THIS always gets stars too

badp

@MichaelMrozek SO mods become MSO mods.

mootinator

On April 1 all instances of C# should be replaced with OY. #badideas

Rebecca Chernoff

FEATURE REQUEST: In addition to flag and star, I want an "oy" action on messages. Then I can just oy the message rather than saying oy.

13

ChrisF

@badp It's the one thing that's tempting me to put myself forward for SO or SU moderator.

Moshe

8:02 PM

@RebeccaChernoff In support of this.

Marc Gravell

vey

Josh

@RebeccaChernoff I WANT TO STAR THIS LIKE I'VE NEVER WANTED TO STAR A MESSAGE BEFORE IN MY LIFE

2

Where is my giant star image?????

Rebecca Chernoff

@Josh case in point. This message needs to be oy'd.

badp

@ChrisF I wish for a meta.SE site where all mods on all sites are mods, just like it happens for chat. So much blue...

Coding Gorilla

Tim Stone

8:03 PM

@ChrisF RE: that second part, I'm not sure that'd work based on this

Michael Mrozek

@badp Yeah, but I'm very much not banking on winning that election :). I think I'd have a chance on a meta election, if only because far less people care about meta

ChrisF

@TimStone Ah - so it would have to be SO only. The one place I really don't want to be a mod.

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

@MichaelMrozek I'd say you have as good of a chance as any. Just hope that the rep limit doesn't catch you.

Tim Stone

@MichaelMrozek Yeah, but since @RebeccaChernoff was hired to prevent that scenario, you're probably out of luck in both races. :(

Michael Mrozek

@TimStone I don't think she was hired for that; it's just one of the perks

Tim Stone

8:06 PM

@ChrisF Assuming that's still the policy, I'd suppose so. I had a bit of trouble deciphering what Jeff had written there the first time around, heh, so I wasn't entirely sure.

@MichaelMrozek Well, the end of days is probably counterproductive to community growth, so perhaps in an indirect way.

Rebecca Chernoff

What scenario was I hired to prevent?

badp

@RebeccaChernoff Suck.

Tim Stone

@MichaelMrozek becoming Meta Mod

badp

oh, yeah, that too.

Marc Gravell

@TimStone except on the religion SE sites, where the end-of-days would gather a lot of interest

badp

8:08 PM

:460225 aww :(

Tim Stone

@MarcGravell Ah, good point. I didn't fully think that one through.

Rebecca Chernoff

Oh, well yes. My initial contact about the position was "we think you can help us keep Mrozek out."

Marc Gravell

we're all going to die!!! (gets out laptop...)

2

hmmm - maybe not

Michael Mrozek

I'm a little offended that they think one full-time person is enough to counteract me. I'm a slippery one

2

Marc Gravell

to clarify, my "we're all going to die!!!" wasn't in relation to rchern getting hired. Purely coincidental.

Rebecca Chernoff

8:10 PM

^^^^ another example of a message that should be oy'd.

Moshe

...wait for it...

Rebecca Chernoff

(that was for @MichaelMrozek for @MarcGravell's message works to)

Michael Mrozek

@RebeccaChernoff Meta-oy

Moshe

See, in Super Oyrio 64, Oyrio had to find the stars, not the other way around.

Fosco

In Soviet Russia, The Oy's Star You!

Tim Stone

8:12 PM

@MarcGravell Are you guys in charge of the chat ads on the site?

Michael Mrozek

@TimStone Obviously you mean @RebeccaChernoff. @RebeccaChernoff is in charge of all that you see and hear. She controls the horizontal and the vertical

Tim Stone

And the backward, right..how silly of me.

balpha

Depends on if you want to praise or blame, @Tim

Tim Stone

Blame. :P

Fosco

I support those who choose to lead alternative smile-styles.

mootinator

8:14 PM

You have entered, the jQuery zone.

Rebecca Chernoff

I get the praise, balpharc get the blame. serious nod

2

Josh

@RebeccaChernoff balpharc? I picture some two-headed dragonlike creature, some hybrid of @balpha and @MarcGravell... shudders

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

I picture baseball. (Ball Park)

badp

0

Q: "to have all but X"

What does "all but" mean in this expression? I have all but gratitude for what you have done. I have seen this used as an intensifier to mean "I only have gratitude", but logic says the sentence means "I have all kinds of feelings towards you, except gratitude."

meaning phrases

mootinator

runs off to write a userscript to invert @RebeccaChernoff smilies.

badp

8:17 PM

see? an eeasy one! go get free reps!

Rebecca Chernoff

I...don't think I've ever heard "all but _____"

"nothing but ______" certainly...

mootinator

"Everything but gratitude" would seem to imply appreciation was included.

Contradiction! Head explodes

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

0

A: "to have all but X"

I have all but forgotten about you. This means that even though much time may have passed, or many events have occurred I have not forgotten about you. It is emphasizing that no matter what has happened (or presumably will happen) I haven't forgotten about you. I don't think your example m...

Free reps for me?

SwDevMan81

+1

mootinator

form = all but [verb], rather than all but [noun] does make more sense :)

Jin

8:21 PM

@JustinjjnguyNelson I have all but free reps for you.

Michael Mrozek

@JustinjjnguyNelson I don't think providing the right answer is "free reps". That's called "normal reps" :)

mootinator

I have all butt chicken for lunch.

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

@Jin, I'm ok with that!! What do you have then?

@MichaelMrozek Touche. I'll take normal reps too!

@mootinator So you didn't have chicken?

mootinator

@JustinjjnguyNelson Yes. Though I may have exaggerated on what else I ate.

Justin 'jjnguy' Nelson

@mootinator I believe you have.

Michael Mrozek

8:24 PM

I had a subset of nothing but chicken, or chicken, or neither

I just wrote a native Java function whose sole purpose is to throw whatever exception I pass it, because Java can't see native throws so it can't tell that I'm throwing an exception I didn't put in my method signature

I kind of feel like a terrible person

Josh

LOL

SwDevMan81

// I kind of feel like a terrible person

would be useful comment in the code

Marc Gravell

@TimStone "in charge" is ... Jeff I suppose; why?

Tim Stone

There's a small bug, I decided to just be sensible and meta-post it.

SwDevMan81

he didnt like his meal and wants his rep back

badp

8:32 PM

public ExceptionSnowballFactory extends WhyOhWhyDidWeTrustRChern implements WorstPractices, CodingHorror {
  public static void inYourFaceThrow(Exception pie) throws Exception { ... }
}

Michael Mrozek

We should be able to use rep to buy bling for our profile pages

2

SwDevMan81

Always wanted dragon shoes

Michael Mrozek

(it's been a while since I broke that out)

Rebecca Chernoff

and yet, not long enough.

drachenstern

english.stackexchange.com/questions/9293/… <-- this is why I like @RobertC et al

Not OB'd out of deference ;)

Michael Mrozek

8:39 PM

@drachenstern I imagine they discussed it and Robert was just the one who happened to undelete it; it's probably not a personal statement of support

drachenstern

Hence my et al ya know? He was the face so his name

He even says there was an internal discussion

Tim Stone

@drachenstern Oh, wow, I was wrong.

drachenstern

Eh?

I was a bit off in my 45 estimate huh?

Tim Stone

The question wasn't flag-removed.

drachenstern

I blame my $('dogs').walk() ...

Figured that's what you meant. It sort of was tho huh?

Tim Stone

8:48 PM

Well, not in the automagical sense. But anyway

Moshe

@mootinator lemme know when it's done.

drachenstern

Indeed. Nomnomnomhamsandwhich is good

CanSpice

I would imagine that requesting a "user is a dumbass" question closure reason won't fly, right?

Moshe

@Zypher - You there?

@CanSpice Depends on the question.

Tim Stone

I need to focus and finish updating this UI, but the code is just...so ugly.

Fosco

8:50 PM

@CanSpice That's a little more acceptable than my request... "Closed as Retarded."

3

drachenstern

@CanSpice not usually, but flagging might work

Josh

@Fosco LOL

Zypher

@Moshe for another 10 ja

drachenstern

@Tim I'm having the same issue :/

Moshe

@Zypher Ok, sending you an email now. Do work at SO, btw?

Zypher

8:51 PM

yep

CanSpice

Well, it's just repeated dumbassery. It's like the person has a goal but has to ask an SO question for every single step of the process.

Zypher

Sysadmin ... writer on blog.sf ... other less savory function of any good company

Josh

@CanSpice Links? I have 10 close votes remaining today :-)

Tim Stone

@drachenstern I really should have learned how to use Swing properly (though I'm not sure there is such a method) before writing it in the first place...but unfortunately I'm a bit pressed for time as far as a rewrite is concerned at the moment.

Josh

@Zypher like changing the names of users who you feel made a poor choice of display name?

Zypher

8:53 PM

no that was just to make me smile a little inside

Josh

HAHAHA

mootinator

@Moshe If I ever have actual time ;)

drachenstern

@CanSpice welcome to SO. I see that a lot. My only course of action is to comment to that effect and move on.

George Marian

Apparently, chicken was popular for lunch today.

Tim Stone

@Zypher Well, kneecaps occasionally do need busting, yes..

Zypher

8:54 PM

so true @TimStone

Moshe

@Zypher - There, sent. (I actually wrote the whole thing, although it might seem like a form letter...)

drachenstern

Ok time for focusing ... Need to write some database CRUD for sets, need to update the UI one more time, then go home...

Moshe

@drachenstern What language?

drachenstern

C# as always

.NET or DIE

Zypher

@Moshe very cool

drachenstern

8:58 PM

I have no problem growing rich on the back of a monopoly

Fosco

Is the new meme we just star everytime Josh laughs?

mootinator

LOL

Tim Stone

Apparently someone thinks so.

Fosco

Really scraping the bottom of the barrel now aren't we.

mootinator

Must be.

Wait. I only proved that either I am the mysterious starrer OR the meme isn't any laugh.

Someone else LOL.

For SCIENCE.

Fosco

9:01 PM

...

drachenstern

SCIENCE

mootinator

has the urge to test hypotheses.

Doesn't think he can observe this one.

Schrödinger's chat user.

Fosco

"Schrodinger's Chat"... The post is both starred and un-starred, until you observe it.

3

Moshe

Can anyone explain this to me? I asked yesterday, but had to run out and I can't seem to search the transcript:

dihy(year) in {355:1,385:1}1

@Fosco When anyone laughs.

drachenstern

@Moshe it was @Josh who explained it, and I think linked to a question on it

It builds an object and let's you check to see if the object has the property

The one is to force it to make an object

Moshe

9:10 PM

Actually, it's return diyh(year)....

Okay, and what is the 355:1 doing there? specifically, the :

drachenstern

iOS makes it hard to answer code questions properly

Josh

@drachenstern wasn't this Josh

drachenstern

I didn't realize there was a 1 at the end

I thought it was you that answered it, was it YiJiang then?

Josh

maybe

drachenstern

ffs, this is why I shouldn't chat.MSO on iOS

Moshe

9:17 PM

@drachenstern I think it was @Tyler actually, not sure though. Could've been @Yijiang.

drachenstern

I'm going to go look, hang on

Moshe

Anyhoo, SO performs wonders.

2

Q: What does this JS Expression mean?

What does this JS expression mean? What are we returning? return dihy(year) in {353:1, 383:1};

javascript

drachenstern

twas tyler

22 hours ago, by Moshe

return dihy(year) in {353:1, 383:1};

Also, I thought there was a link in there to SO, guess I was wrong

developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Operators/Special/… is the link that's important here

Moshe

@drachenstern There was some link there.

snippets.dzone.com/posts/show/6557

drachenstern

Yeah, this one snippets.dzone.com/posts/show/6557

jinx

Moshe

9:20 PM

@drachenstern can't talk

but can still post images

drachenstern

lmao, whatever

Moshe

...wait for it...

I starred the link so we won't lose it. ... ... Until @RebeccaChernoff says ... or someone says Oy

drachenstern

Why did I get 6 consecutive downvotes on that question? wth?

mootinator

finds his ring finger migrating toward the o.

drachenstern

looks like some group of people went and burned downvotes on everyone there

mootinator

9:25 PM

slaps his hand.

drachenstern

> meta.english.stackexchange.com/questions/557/… mod attention required

Moshe

Is out of stars. Considers using the Super Mario star until his supply replenishes.

mootinator

@drachenstern It's a puritanical voting ring.

drachenstern

I see this

mootinator

Unfortunately they aren't talking about it on this site so we can't find them. DRAT!

drachenstern

9:29 PM

lol

mootinator

Of course, all the controversy will just generate more rep for you.

drachenstern

That's a byproduct

I have gone past "cute question" and "I've got upvotes" into "wtf is wrong with this community that they can't do the one thing they got together to do" and I'm getting into the mood of community defender thinking that they're the ones with a problem

even tho it's not really my community to begin with </irony>

mootinator

Serial downvoters on popular questions: bullet, meet foot.

drachenstern

That's kind of the idea yeah

whoever it was figured out about not violating the spam hammer tho

mootinator

nod

drachenstern

9:34 PM

It gets better, they're also downvoting the meta questions, thinking that's going to get them some sort of resolution

Moshe

@drachenstern That's dumb.

drachenstern

I don't think anyone would be @Moshe

I don't know why anyone would be against someone clarifying about a language in general.

If I were to ask you about slang words for money in Hebrew would you get upset?

mootinator

Ooo, my question is up to #6 on the SE hot list now.

drachenstern

NICE!

Moshe

I don't know those words, I might end up asking you.

But I won't because I assume that their not "kosher", based on context.

:D

@drachenstern - btw, still porting that JS code. (No, not the entire language, just some code.)

drachenstern

9:40 PM

@Moshe I rather thought you knew Hebrew in general

@Moshe lol, yeah, keep pointing out you're converting functions ;)

Moshe

@drachenstern - I know enough to get around.

need to give my hand a break afk

playing catch w a trackball

done with my daily exercise.

:-D

@drachenstern - about 10 more short functions to go.

Oddly, I think the library has no unit test function or any place where it all ties together.

Hurray for Google Voice and free texting!

drachenstern

Note to self: get more halls

Moshe

@drachenstern halls?

Oh, I don't do the "note to self" thing. I use this:

drachenstern

Cough drops ...

I notice if I type it out I remember it longer

also, somebody here is bound to ask me if I did later ;)

Moshe

Ah, Halls

...wait for it...

there it is

drachenstern

9:59 PM

I think Jeff is weaseling out on this one and I can't say that I see a flaw in his logic which makes me sad ...

I'm trying to articulate my words for it so I know that I'm excising the demon that is vexing me, so I'm sorry if I'm just annoying you guys, say something and I'll shut up

I feel that I had a bit of an accomplishment getting upvoted so highly on E.SE for what I thought was a good answer and to see it torn to shreds by serial downvoters who happened to be puritanical makes me upset. The same as I would be upset by my coworkers destroying the internals of a class that was beautifully written and they tried to kludge in some awkward function that belonged to something else.

badp

Need help with markdown

ideally @balpha but I guess he's sleeping now

mootinator

@drachenstern As mootinator once said, shortly before he was suspended from meta.so chat.

drachenstern

@mootinator why were you suspended?

was the message at :460491 intended for me since I was on the phone?

mootinator

@drachenstern Because, in an alternate universe, I had the balls to leave the message that followed up ;)

drachenstern

Ahhhh

I saw that alternate universe message btw

mootinator

10:13 PM

I figured you would...

I'm never going to amount to much of a libertarian if I won't even get myself suspended from a chat room.

Michael Myers

Is that what being libertarian means?

drachenstern

@MichaelMyers not so much, no

mootinator

Some seem to think it is... lol.

Though protesting a private website self-regulating speech is definitely decidedly not.

drachenstern

I just think of it as less governmental interference all the way around

mootinator

So, technically I'm safe.

drachenstern

10:18 PM

less taxation, less nanny state

I'm even ok with lower health regulations

but it has to be across the board in all parts of the government for me to be ok with it

mootinator

If the puritans were the govenment, it'd be different.

drachenstern

can't drop one end of the government and raise the other

@mootinator lol

The only thing I believe firmly in paying for is the military. But I think they should be responsible for more public works and that we should be more isolationist than we are now

mootinator

makes an angry gesture at the FCC.

drachenstern

Indeed

ok, time for more working, less chatting

Michael Myers

@drachenstern I'm not against paying for the military, but I don't see how the budget could get anywhere close to balanced without severe cuts.

drachenstern

10:21 PM

@MichaelMyers Can we start with the buildings in and around the beltway? I bet if we sold those and cut the jobs that were tied up therewithin we could free up a chunk of change ...

Michael Myers

Ever watched Yes, Minister or Yes, Prime Minister?

I am not optimistic.

drachenstern

Cole's Certified First Step in Government Reform: Send the Senators and Representatives home every other term, at a maximum. Make them have home jobs and show up for their duty as part of a rotation.

@MichaelMyers I'm not either when it comes to governmental reform. Not even if we got to start fresh on Mars or in space.

Shog9

Sigh.

mootinator

apologizes profusely for mentioning his political alignment on SO.

Shog9

commie bastard

drachenstern

10:24 PM

@mootinator lol, what were you thinking!!!

@Shog9 I may be, but I am what I am except when I am not that which I am

Michael Myers

** waits for Godwin's Law to kick in **

Shog9

@MichaelMyers sounds like something Hitler would say.

Michael Myers

Now, do I star that or flag it?

badp

@MichaelMyers both!

mootinator

What do you do with a dog who apparently has a hairball she doesn't know how to deal with?

badp

10:27 PM

@mootinator Let the dog figure it out and record a video of the process

post it on youtube and remark the cuteness in the title

boom! instant hit :P

drachenstern

Might pull more than 825 hits out of it in a few hours ...

badp

"SUPERCUTE <3 DOGGY VS HAIRBALL ORIGINAL"

mootinator

@badp She's just been gagging on and off for four hours, it wouldn't be a terribly interesting video.

badp

Add a dramatic soundtrack then

mootinator

@badp Not the People's Republic of Oy?

badp

10:31 PM

@mootinator @RebeccaChernoff has shown negative reactions to being reminded of how much we enjoy having her around

This negative reaction is both enjoyable and deleterious.

Hence, I give her rays of hope here and there to keep her on her toes :P

say what?

Oy?

@Zypher Pretty much

ouch: proj.jetless.org/AWESOME-TIME (visual damage may occur or CPU heating)

Tim Stone

My retinas have been burnt.

Zypher

10:36 PM

@TimStone i shouldn't have worn my contacts today

Tim Stone

@Josh Wow, how did I miss that? Thanks. :P

Josh

@TimStone LOL, sorry :-)

I felt like nitpicking ;-)

George Marian

@drachenstern =/

Tim Stone

No, spelling mistakes bother me to no end. I'm just surprised I didn't see the red squiggly, heh.

Plus, people clearly aren't outraged enough about the prospect of chat not getting ad love, for shame! ;)

drachenstern

So lemme get this straight ... I tell you guys it's gonna be painful and then you do it even faster? ... masochists ...

@TimStone I think we're more outraged about the puritanical meanderings ...

Josh

10:39 PM

@TimStone That's because you didn't post it here!

mootinator

...wait for it...

Josh

OK. time to take up my anger about anyone-can-edit

@mootinator LOVE IT

Tim Stone

@Josh I tried to blame Marc and balpha, but I think they snuck off to bed :P

2

Q: Please bring the StackExchange™ MultiCollider SuperDropdown™ to the chat.

This would be useful to have next to the all rooms button. Perhaps let it refresh each 30 or 60 seconds... :-)

feature-request status-planned chat information-display stackexchange-button

:O

Moshe

@mootinator needs to be italicized

Zypher

also blue background mean flagged

Rebecca Chernoff

10:42 PM

@TimStone (:

Moshe

0

Q: How would I combine two arrays in Objective-C?`

What is the Objective-C equivalent of the JavaScript concat() function? Assuming that both objects are arrays, how would you combine them? Javascript: function ffh(year, month, day){ if (month < TISHRI){ms = ranger(TISHRI, lmohy(year) + 1).concat(ranger(NISAN, month));} else{ms = ra...

javascript objective-c ios port

@Zypher - Did you download it yet? resolves to wait for an email or chat reply and not ask again

mootinator

@Moshe Just like that, your comment no longer makes sense to people just entering the room.

Josh

@Moshe manually?

drachenstern

I think I have helped participate in a question that is going to cause a divide in the E.SE crowd :S

Zypher

@Moshe yea i have it ... then itunes crashed ... and you jsut reminded me to try again

Moshe

10:43 PM

@Zypher Thanks.

Did my app crash iTunes?

Zypher

nah

the install on my work machine has always been flaky

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff I guess I'll have to do more on SE sites so that I can get notifications to be excited about being able to be notified of in chat, heheh.

mootinator

@drachenstern Are you team ___ or team ____?

really

Moshe

@Josh what do you mean?

Josh

@Moshe resize the destination array, for(i=0; i< secondArray.length; i++) append to first array secondArray[i]

Tim Stone

10:45 PM

My god, this UI code offends my eyes more than whatever the hell @drachenstern linked to earlier.

takes a deep breath Just need to find what to copy and paste and be done with it..

Moshe

@Josh I'm talking aobut Objective-C. I have the JS code, it's posted there.

Josh

Ok. Maybe I just don't know Obj-C well enough

I know how you'd do it in "normal" C

Tim Stone

Oh @Josh, are you going to be around later?

Josh

Probably until 7PM EST

Moshe

@Josh Oh, I thought you were giving me JS code. Well, C would work, but Objective-C is sure to have convenience methods.

Tim Stone

10:48 PM

Ah, OK

Josh

Then I'll be making dinner and (if I can finish this project) taking the rest of the night off

Why?

drachenstern

sorry ya'll, not on chat atm, slight crisis on my wife's computer

Tim Stone

I had a question for you (but I'm not ready to ask it yet), but I'm sure I can manage on my own.

Josh

@drachenstern There's a StackExchange site for that

@TimStone you've piqued my curiosity. I'll leave my laptop open as I cook dinner :-)

Tim Stone

Hahah, it's not that interesting. I'll see what I can do about hurrying up the completion of this code I need to take care of first, then. :P

Moshe

10:51 PM

Anyone know what Javascript's map function does?

Josh

Yes

Moshe

@Josh Care to explain?

Josh

developer.mozilla.orgis not responding :-)

Tim Stone

It iterates over an array and creates a new array populated with entries from the first transformed by a given function.

ChrisF

tutorialspoint.com/javascript/array_map.htm - this any good?

Rebecca Chernoff

10:52 PM

@Josh, say no!

blah ):

Josh

oh, better yet

joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/08/01.html

ChrisF

msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff679976(v=vs.94).aspx - or this?

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff I know, we're no fun, sorry. :P

Zypher

@Josh i'm mad at them right now

Josh

LOL

Zypher

10:53 PM

you didn't realize my reach did you

Rebecca Chernoff

@TimStone seriously. |:

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff I'm in serious work mode! I can't help it.

Josh

Sorry @Moshe I am busy writing a meta rant :-)

Moshe

@Josh ok

I have a ride in 5 minutes, still need to sync DropBox

Josh

but Tim explained it well

Rebecca Chernoff

10:54 PM

GAHHHHH

I hate hate HATE it when I open a new browser tab and forget what the hell I'm opening a tab for.

grumbles

Michael Myers

Do you need suggestions?

Shog9

@Josh developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/…

Rebecca Chernoff

@MichaelMyers If they're related to whatever the hell I was doing, yes.

Shog9

@RebeccaChernoff Yegge's blog rants.

Josh

@Shog9 doesn't load for me!

but I'm not the one who doens't know what it does, so

mootinator

10:57 PM

I had solved a major problem in my head while I was in the washroom. Now I forget what that solution was.

drachenstern

@Josh does for me

Moshe

@mootinator Go back, see if the solution returns. (bad pun)

wonders if @Zypher has iTunes running again

mootinator

@Moshe /facepalm

Moshe

heh

My mouse hand is hurting. Time to take a break?

My ride leaves now.

Shog9

@Moshe Time to switch hands.

Michael Myers

11:00 PM

@Shog9 I completely forgot he'd started again. Must catch up sometime.

Zypher

ChrisF

0

Q: Poll-like questions, policy and hidden privileges

Hello Community, Since long time, I was a "random visitor" of a "random website" called StackOverflow, stumbling upon interesting and helpful posts when googling for technical solutions. A week ago I decided to jump in to share some of my own experience back, and, I must admit, was quickly hooke...

discussion policy

Shog9

@MichaelMyers It'll take less time than you think, and waaaay longer than it should.

Josh

Ok, here goes my rant!

0

Q: Is everyone in favor of the new "everyone can edit" idea? Is this really such a good idea?

As described in Diff is Hard, Let's Go Shopping! [The team is] planning to open the floodgates and allow everybody to submit content edits on posts Am I the only one who sees this undesirable? In fact, the more I think about it the more I think it has the possibility to be a really bad idea...

discussion editing

Shog9

@Josh Yes, it's a brilliant idea.

^^^ --- want that in an answer?

Josh

11:03 PM

@YiJiang and @Benjol, feel free to comment on the above question

@Shog9 Sure, an answer, a comment or a downvote, your choice :-)

Shog9

If there's one thing that's never sat quite right with me about SO, it's the very high bar set for editing.

Josh

Convince me of that :-)

ChrisF

@josh - there's a typo in the question "hev" -> "have"?

Shog9

I can't help but feel that, after 2+ years, Jeff & Co. are finally starting to understand what a wiki is...

Josh

Thanks @ChrisF

@Shog9 on "Diff id hard, let's go shopping!" someone said the site would become just like wikipedia. I don't think that's a good thing...

Maybe I'm wrong

I like a 2k bar for editing

Tim Stone

11:09 PM

@Josh Well, sure. But I'm sure a lot of crap in need of edit isn't necessarily seen by someone with 2K, so I'm not sure I see the evil in letting lower rep users contribute by way of reviewed edits.

Josh

@TimStone Depends on how much lower, in my opinion. 1K? Sure. 500? Let's give it a shot. 1? Bothers me

drachenstern

I think 500 is a good bar

Josh

My point is, anyone is a free-for-all

mootinator

@drachenstern I'm on team 1000.

Tim Stone

@Josh I'd agree, if they were free...but since they have to be reviewed...eh.

Shog9

11:11 PM

@Josh I like that answer. In fact, I agree wholeheartedly

Josh

I like a good free-for-all as much as the next guy, but everything has it's place. This Tavern is a free-for-all and it's great. StackOverflow should not be :-)

Shog9

@Josh it is though

Josh

@TimStone I worry that the number of bad edits will overwhelm the reviewers

Shog9

right now, I mean

at this moment, while we're typing

Josh

I don't think this helps make it less so... but, we disagree :-)

Which is fine, of course ;-)

Shog9

11:13 PM

As you sit and drink your little glass of sherry, madness and anarchy reigns on SO

Tim Stone

@Josh I'm skeptical of that many people being not lazy enough to try and suggest edits.

Unless they actually have some sort of point.

Josh

@TimStone this is a comforting thought, yes

Moshe

@Zypher oops, my bad, I'll look into that.

Tim Stone

They'd rather go spam their question 500 times and scream GIMME TEH CODEZ! while dancing on one foot.

Josh

I have a great lack of faith in people though :-)

Tim Stone

11:14 PM

I do too, I just think that they're more inclined to continue with other obnoxious behaviours instead. :P

Josh

I fear there is no limit to people's obnoxious behavior :-)

Give people one more way to misbehave and they'll do it, for sure

Tim Stone

Plus, I imagine if it got too bad they could do like the flag thingadongdong and just discredit people who repeatedly suggest edits which are rejected.

Moshe

You are supposed to drag it to the the top left corner, not the iPod itself, btw, @Zypher

Josh

@TimStone This is a great thought. Feel free to answer as such!

mootinator

I don't see SO as being fun to even attempt to vandalize in the same way Wikipedia is.

Josh

11:15 PM

@Moshe now that I have ended my rant, still need help understanding map?

Moshe

@Josh I posted a question on SO.

Tim Stone

@Josh Code first, then I'll throw something up if no one beats me to it :P

Josh

@TimStone oh yes, sorry. I forgot I'm supposed to be doing that also...

Tim Stone

@mootinator You mean someone won't go around trying to edit $.answer() into all SO answers?

Moshe

I'm on the way back...

Josh

11:17 PM

@Moshe OK cool. I've been a less-than-superb source for knowledge as of late :-)

Moshe

'Sokay @Josh

mootinator

@TimStone Why? All the people who would want to do that already have 3k rep :P

Zypher

@Moshe what kind of stupid ux is that

Tim Stone

@mootinator Point taken ;)

Zypher

I ask MSO Tavern ... did i go too far in responding to a recruiter that got my email and sent me an opening for a part time desktop suppoirt position:

Hi Amreesh!

I was wondering where you got my information from, and I assume you have my resume. So i Was wondering what you though in there would make a good fit for a "Desktop Support" position. You should know i'm one of two systems administrators for a top 300 website, and would require 300k/yr, 60 days of vacation, and equity in the company to consider a transition to this position.

8

Tim Stone

11:19 PM

Hahahah

ChrisF

I only wish I had it in me to reply to recruiters like that

@Zypher ROFLMAO

@Zypher, what UX?

Oh @Zypher

That is classic

11:19 PM

@Zypher have a star for that...

Josh

I would star if I could

Moshe

I wish I had stars and was on a desktop.

badp

@Josh Downvote away!

drachenstern

ok, what interesting things did I miss while my wife accused me of removing her files from our shared laptop while she's in Michigan and I tried to remote over her crappy room wireless/dsl and find that they were all fine?

tl;dr: what'd I miss?

Zypher

uhg need to enable app sync in itunes ... "All current apps and files on the iPod will be deleted"

drachenstern

11:22 PM

does OBing take into consideration anything about a users ignored tags that it can gray the onebox? It shows the tags ...

ChrisF

@drachenstern Don't know. I wasn't paying attention.

Tim Stone

@drachenstern No, why?

Josh

@drachenstern I ranted away :-)

@badp Was [asking a unix question]9http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/6155/can-i-easily-search-my-history-across-many-screen-windows), reading your answer now

ChrisF

team.silverlight.net/announcement/…

drachenstern

@TimStone because it would be a nice feature... idk, just spitballing, like we always do in here

ChrisF

11:23 PM

I don't think MS is abandoning Silverlight

Zypher

@ChrisF most of the time i respond with "Sorry i'm not looking right now" but ... when they OBVIOUSLY either have a 10 year old resume OR DIDN'T READ IT ... i'll send them something like that

drachenstern

@ChrisF why would they? that's a core product now with all the winphone stuff

Moshe

@Zypher - so transfer purchases first. (File-> transfer purchases) THEN sync.

Zypher

ah that's new

drachenstern

@Zypher 300K? Can I be your intern?

ChrisF

11:24 PM

@drachenstern "On the PC" is the bit missing from that statement ;)

drachenstern

@ChrisF bah, one would presume that if you're developing for the phone and in silverlight that you're trying to target the desktop market as well ... xaml and all that

Josh

wow that was a fast Nice Question!

That was my fastest Nice Question by far

drachenstern

idk, I don't see someone doing XAML for the phone and not for the desktop as well, my narrow blinders and all that

Zypher

@drachenstern haha that's my go to f off number sometimes i go 500k

Moshe

@Zypher I suppose I should have adde that in the email. My bad.

ChrisF

11:26 PM

That's true. Actually I suspect that a lot of the features are aimed at the phone

Zypher

@Moshe no worries

Moshe

loves how the iPhone keyboard is small enough to accidentally type enail and gnail

Josh

LOL, ok, now which one of you is using this sockpuppet account???

> @josh i agree with you its a really bad idea because if i had that privilege i would delete half of what you wrote – every_answer_gets_a_point 7 mins ago

badp

@Josh I don't know, but I didn't get a point for my answer.

Moshe

@Zypher - is it all sorted out now?

Zypher

11:28 PM

yep, syncing over purchases

Josh

@badp You got +1/-1 from me, = 0 net :-)

badp

@Josh that's +8 really

Moshe

doesn't love how 3G or EDGE data chews battery life

Josh

@badp let me get out my sockpuppet then!

Moshe

I'm wondering if I should swap my iPhone for a WinMo phone. I have enough iOS devices as it is. Plus, I get some money back.

Josh

11:30 PM

@badp OK, you have +8 now

badp

@Josh :D

drachenstern

@Moshe not winmo but winphone yes

Moshe

Anyone here do WinMo development?

badp

why thank you

Tim Stone

@Josh The SO account linked to that user is suspended right now, heh.

Josh

11:31 PM

@TimStone he has only a point then!

Moshe

@drach what's the diff?

Josh

aw, crap, I replied to Fabian using my sockpuppet account by mistake. DOH

Moshe

@Zypher did iTunes take the mobile provision?

Zypher

yea

Moshe

Great.

Zypher

11:32 PM

just gotta get it to ... actually sync

aparently you can't do it more than once an connection

Tim Stone

We need to write a userscript that will translate random's posts into normal sentences for when my brain is too tired to frolic among his words to find the message. :P

Zypher

ehh i'll play with it abit

Moshe

Heh, let's see what happens.

drachenstern

@Moshe winmo is horrid, windows phone is much nicer, for starters

winphone you can write XAML (silverlight) code

Josh

@TimStone Ha, this is true :-)

Zypher

11:37 PM

bah ... phone .. go BlackBerry

drachenstern

@Zypher that is so 1998

so can I outside postwhore? I have a site offSO that I want some upvotes on ... just a clarification question fore I post instructions and a link :p

smartgridnews.com/artman/publish/… <-- vote for ElectSolve pretty please?

mootinator

Oh good it isn't cwora

drachenstern

We can remove that if it isn't copasetic

Moshe

I meant winphone then

Josh

@TimStone sorry, I thought I upvoted your question after I edited it, I must have been mistaken. Didn't meant to not show love for chat!

Tim Stone

11:43 PM

@Josh Hahah, they're your votes, no pressure. :P

mootinator

is going to get an LG Optimus Quantum if his carrier gets it before he loses interest.

Moshe

And to think that this room is not a voting ring.

@moot what OS does that run?

mootinator

@Moshe Windows!

Moshe

@Zypher done syncing yet?

Zypher

@Moshe why do you think it's not?

Shog9

11:45 PM

But seriously, @Josh... tl;dr

Josh

@Shog9 no problem :-)

Moshe

@Zyp just checking. Transferrin purchases canntake som tine.

Josh

As I said in chat, we disagree and that's fine. I just wanted to voice my concerns

Zypher

yep got everything settled

gotta recreate my app groups but that's not a biggie

Moshe

Oops sorry bout that. Did my app sync?

drachenstern

11:47 PM

@Moshe we are NOT a voting room you know

mootinator

Shh

drachenstern

we just happen to be generally like minded and we like to share

so if one of us things something is upvoteable, we are all likely to think such a thing

but be aware that I've had plenty of stuff downvoted that I upvoted, and vice versa, after posting it here

Moshe

@moot @drach or anyone else: do winphone users prefer free apps like Android users do, or are they ok with purchasing, like iOS users?

drachenstern

all users like free apps of high quality

if it's crap it better be free

if it's of high quality they'll probably pay for more features too

Moshe

@drach - search for the word "agree" notice the prefix: "dis"

Zypher

11:49 PM

@Moshe it did

Moshe

I know android users will hardly buy apps.

Zypher

creating a new game account sandbox thing ... god fucking apple sometimes they just get the ux sooo wrong

Moshe

@Zypher - Cool! Yep, Apple does that...

mootinator

Since we're stereotyping, I'm not sure who WP7 users are...

Tim Stone

Developers, developers, developers?

Zypher

11:51 PM

ha

mootinator

I just want one so I don't have to learn as much to develop for it.

Shog9

@mootinator They're 30-something guys with attractive mates, kids, and full schedules. Or else TV has lied to me again...

mootinator

I have most of those things!

Moshe

...

drachenstern

@Shog9 oh crap, I'm using the wrong phone ...

mootinator

11:53 PM

checks to see whether his wife is looking over his shoulder.

Yup, she was.

Zypher

hmm damn the recruiter didn't respond

badp

@Shog9 mind moving the comments discussion on chat?

Zypher

ahh well homeward bound @Moshe i'll poke at the game on the train

Shog9

@badp Only if I can rudely tell you you're wrong, using lots of bold text

('cause otherwise, what's the point?)

badp

@Shog9 I hate it when you start having those huge comments war and you have to reload the page to see the new rebuttal and then comments start folding...

Shog9

11:56 PM

It's probably my 2nd favorite part of SO

badp

@Shog9 go ahead make your day

Shog9

READING COMMENTS IS NEVER FUN WHEN YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO GET AN ANSWER

Moshe

Thanks. Please email any specific feedback.

Shog9

If it was, PHPBB would be kicking SO all around the block

opens beer