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5:00 AM
@MichaelPetrotta Clearly the server gained sentience and bombarded the jsfiddle page with Update requests
@TimStone I... need to stop looking at the picture of the sandwich on the Wikipedia page - it's making me hungry
 
I told you, it's delicious. Even in picture form.
 
I have no vowels in a game. THDTNSY
Y doesn't count. >_<
 
I hear YI doesn't count either.
Also, how dare WwF not accept POGO as a word.
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@TimStone Oy.
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Let's go see if BofA has unborked my mortgage.
 
5:06 AM
@MichaelPetrotta of course not ...
 
Sorry, spoke too soon. No response, they have another day according to their SLA.
 
waitasecond
GNU? >.>
 
Yeah?
Where'd you think they got the logo from? :P
 
mumbles
@TimStone oh I'm familiar, just didn't expect to see it cropping up here
 
Ah, hahah
 
5:14 AM
What I wouldn't give for VS to be faster with my current projects ... an SSD perhaps?
 
@drachenstern RAM disk VS?
 
seriously ... this thing is SLOW
I've got 3GB RAM and only usually touch 1.5GB ~ 2GB
granted, it's XP
and I've been begging for 7 ... I wouldn't mind a laptop with 7 and an SSD for my dev work, hooked up to my nice large monitor
 
I mean, sticking VS into a RAM disk would surely be even fster than getting a SSD?
 
@RebeccaChernoff: wanna know a great word for your letters?
 
5:16 AM
@MichaelPetrotta besides synth?
 
durn
just don't tell her about NTH cos then she'll play it right next to OY and it'll be all ... WTF
ok people I've mucked about too much in this office, I'm walking across the street
ttyl
 
nowhere to play synth. but i was able to get a double word on 2 words just by playing an S hehe
though my next turn will hurt |:
 
I've got a delicious TW, two TL, some high-point letters, AND I CAN'T DO ANYTHING
 
5:22 AM
I'm just waiting for moves, heheh.
And the noise just startled me, lmao
Good game @RebeccaChernoff
Need to remember to leave myself vowels to play off of, heh, had a bit of trouble placing those medium point tiles towards the end.
 
5:39 AM
aweso.me is taken :[
nevermind
 
5:58 AM
D'aawww
 
Apparently, it's the "in" thing for regulars here to nominate themselves :) @YiJiang and @radp, what are you waiting for? :)
 
6:16 AM
Doesn't that make sense @Benj?
 
@drachenstern, yes, it probably does. I'd love to nominate myself, but I don't think I can promise to dedicate the necessary time.
'cos I spend too much of it here! :)
 
When did they up it to 6802 and did the blog get updated?
No they didnt
Anyways, pillowtime. Asta la mañana
 
nightynight
 
@YiJiang IIRC there were some changes, but it isn't complete so far. From memory.
 
6:35 AM
@MarcGravell, if you're still there. Could you take a look at my question here:
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Q: Is there any way to save an XmlDocument *without* indentation and line returns?

Benjol Possible Duplicate: How to remove whitespace from an XmlDocument All my searches have brought up people asking the opposite, but I have a file which grows by nearly 50% if it is saved with line returns and indentation. Is there any way round this?

 
XmlWriterSettings
 
It got closed as a dupe, but the other question is about opening a file, whereas I'm talking about saving
for some weird reason, if you open XmlDocument with PreserveWhitespace, it does effectively remove all whitespace (in InnerXml), but when I do a save, it puts it all back again. And then some...
Or maybe it's just me...
var path = @"C:\test.xml";
System.IO.File.WriteAllText(path, "<root>\r\n\t<line></line>\r\n\t<line></line>\r\n</root>");
System.Xml.XmlDocument doc = new System.Xml.XmlDocument();
doc.PreserveWhitespace = false;
doc.Load(path);
doc.PreserveWhitespace = false;
doc.Save(path);
That gives me this, which even seems wrong, as it's adding text inside the line elements:
  <root>
    <line>
    </line>
    <line>
    </line>
  </root>
thanks...
 
 
Do what?
 
xml files like that are a pain in the arse to read :s
just saying :)
50% are you sure ?
 
6:49 AM
@Reno, oh, I see. Well, it makes the difference between a 2819kb and a 3645kb file...
 
hmm i'm working on mobiles and kmls (thats like xml for google earth) ... thats a lot of saving :)
 
7:03 AM
@Reno, well, I guess it's very dependent on what you have in the file.
 
7:16 AM
@Reno yes, we should store everything in protobuf; much easier to read.
 
@MarcGravell, seriously, I've considered it. We're using xml to send what amounts to a database back and forth between windows and linux. xml is big, and slow...
 
well, if you're in the .NET world and need help with protobufs, just let me know ;p protobuf is neither big nor slow
 
7:50 AM
@MarcGravell, thanks for the offer. It's not likely to happen any time soon, but I guess I should at least play with protobuf a bit. At least I know where to find you :)
 
> For saving the entire universe from the forces of evil, we give you this... Keanu Reeves statue
 
8:08 AM
 
@Dan :) But that doesn't look like a statue of Keanu Reeves :)
 
yeeuchk! what are those golumy things? I think I'm missing a cultural reference there...
 
@Benjol Competitors. Your enterprisey sinergies and your webs 2.0 will let you prevail over the old and dead business models of selling stuff.
 
Am I racist if my nominee selection click-through process goes: profile > accounts > meta > "nope" ?
 
8:17 AM
I'd begin with meta
 
@badp, edited, that's what I mean...
 
Again, I'd begin with meta.
 
someone with zero presence on meta, even if he has sky-high rep, is not a good match, but obviously, we're biased. And then there's the guy who boasts about not even being on meta. He'll go far.
 
Also, I trust a chatter more than one who isn't, because one who doesn't chat will come over to chat asking for help with the moderation tools and ranting because he can't keep up with the news :P
 
@badp good point too. Hadn't thought to check that out.
 
8:21 AM
true -- a S* mod is also an MSO mods, but I don't think they have to mod it.
 
Anyway, we're both out of the running now, not enough rep...
 
meh, I wouldn't have wanted to mod SO
if there were MSO moderations I would've considered that
but no such luck :P
 
:|
 
need some kind of sede query which can get nominees, with rep, meta rep, and whatever the chat badges are on SO/MSO :)
currently, I'd say jjnguy's overall engagement with SE pretty much blows the others out of the water... (of the ones I've looked at so far)
QUESTION: if I were to build a comparative list of nominees, what do you think would be some interesting data points?
So far, I've thought of: how long they've been on SO; rep on SO; rep on meta; engagement on meta (number of questions/answers); talkative badge on SO and meta; age?; location? Overall number of SE accounts
 
8:39 AM
sounds like a good start.
 
@badp, note the conditional in my question... It's the kind of idea I get half way through then decide it's too much like hard work :)
@badp, how would you 'measure' chat engagement. just from badges? and on both meta and so?
 
@Benjol I wouldn't! Duh.
notice the activity field, I think it's relevant :)
 
@badp, hum, yes
ok, here's I goes...
maybe not, the list keeps changing. Lasse just turned up :)
And that activity thing only works if you're currently logged into the room, from what I can see..
 
9:06 AM
I think I'll take some time now to add some features to SEMod.user.js
What features should I add?
I've already got a few minor improvements on the way
 
@YiJiang I was starting doing a beautifier for the rep audit thing but lost interest soon
that's one place that could do with a major make up, also because the page is not plain text anymore :)
(however there's no jQuery there either)
 
@badp You've seen this?
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A: JavaScript helper for *stackoverflow.com/reputation

Yi JiangI've rewritten the script so that it works on Firefox, Chrome and Opera. It now lists all sites in the Stack Exchange network, by using the API to retrieve the list of sites. I've also updated the regex to avoid the problem I mentioned in the comments. Stack Exchange Reputation Audit Helper ...

I can update it a little bit more, because I realized you can differentiate between the different vote types using the rep changes, but that's about it
 
@YiJiang looks more and less like what I wanted to do, thanks
 
9:26 AM
This graph... I wonder which other user has had something similar
 
9:37 AM
The sort of things people say in comments...
Anyway, don't bother looking for it, I'd already give it the last flag to disappear it
 
9:53 AM
@Reno 10k users recently gained the ability to view flagged comments
 
If you think that file is useful, I'll post a link to it somewhere (not sure where)
 
10:21 AM
Is that... comic sans? :|
 
anyone know if there's a way to get tag sets to be AND instead of OR?
 
@Benjol I'm afraid not
 
rats, I just created a tag set called 'Jin' with design+discussion, I don't want to have to dredge through all the rubbish... :(
 
@Benjol just remove "discussion"
 
@badp Then you'd get the tag set I created :P
 
10:28 AM
We need a Jin tag :)
 
ok, rename that to Jin :)
 
Not sure if I can do that, hmmm...
 
@YiJiang Yup, just click on the link next to the name
 
What link? There's only the delete set link
Oh, I found it
 
10:31 AM
Reading: supported.
 
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Did either of you take a look at my amazing nominee roundup file?
 
← on Linux
no OO.org installed
 
10:33 AM
@Benjol Yup. Interesting stats
@badp Eh... why not?
 
@YiJiang, Worth posting somewhere (and where?)?
 
Not all of the stats are useful, but they certainly are interesting
 
for example?
 
@Benjol Could be, the nomination page is sorely lacking in details. Create a new Meta post, I suppose
@Benjol I certainly won't care for the mod's participation on any other SE site except for MSO
It's interesting, but it won't sway my vote
 
ok
meta post coming up.
 
10:36 AM
Did you manually collect these or did you use the data explorer or API?
 
@YiJiang I hate it
 
The chatroom ones will probably need to be scraped manually, but the others could be more interesting if we could automate the data collection process
@badp There's always the wine option, but... I'd guess what you'd have to say about that
 
@YiJiang MS Office through Wine? If it worked I'd use it.
Would it work?
I mean, versions 2007 or 2010
 
07 works fairly well
10 won't though
 
2007 is close enough for me
 
10:38 AM
2007 has gold or silver status I think
 
@YiJiang Manually. for that quantity, and once only, and given that sede is out of date by definition. And that I'd have had to have got the list of nominees manually or by scraping....
 
apparently gold under 1.3.5
Excel is bronze, Powerpoint has an old rating
those are the two I really care about anyway
 
I don't do anything heavy with anything other than Word, but at a glance the other apps all seem to work
 
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Q: Moderator nomination possibly useful statistics

BenjolI found myself doing lots of clicking through to profiles to try and compare nominees with (what I consider to be) useful/interesting information. I've cobbled together an Excel file with some metrics, may help you with your decision, and possible inspire the dev team to put together something l...

 
@badp Anyway, if you're desperate, there's always Google Docs...
Speaking of which, @Benjol, a Google Spreadsheet might do better here
 
10:43 AM
yeah, I thought of that, briefly...
 
10:57 AM
ok imma post something controversial ... but its nothing new
 
@Reno Come on now, surely nobody would pay for reps and badges?
I mean, WoW gold is one thing, but this... or am I not understanding you correctly here?
 
@YiJiang nevermind , just some stupid irony
 
@Reno rather
US → outsourcing → $$$ → India → /review → Moderation queue → US
 
Oh, I get what that map means... or at least I think I do
 
Its just that most of the IT work in USA is outsourced to india (and similar countries) .. when it comes to the implementation stackoverflow is just helping with the outsourcing back to the US ...
 
11:04 AM
@Reno actually, most of those users are a great point against outsourcing
 
exactly @badp , what i dont like is the /review part =\
i am too
i mean i hate the fact that many dont take the CS class is US because of outsourcing
oh well . /rant
 
11:36 AM
@YiJiang oh your birthday >_<
 
@Reno Hmmm what?
 
totally forgot about that
what did you finally get ?
 
@Reno What do you mean?
 
You said that you were getting something for yourself
 
No, not really.
Didn't get anything for myself except for a slice of cake
Holy crap it's live already why didn't they announce anything!?
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11:42 AM
Jan 7 at 8:34, by Yi Jiang
Hmmm... my birthday's coming up. What should I ask for?
 
@Reno Yeah, I didn't ask for anything. I did have a slice of cake though
 
cake is always relevant
 
Per your request.
 
@YiJiang wow
 
I can see a few problems with this scheme already
 
11:50 AM
@YiJiang it really isn't however...
I can't propose edits on Webapps e.g.
and they run the same software.
 
Lemme see.. that guy had 343 reps. How much do you have?
Maybe it's for SO only, because of the volume
The other sites don't have enough 3/10k users?
 
@YiJiang 380
 
Hmmm... not sure, maybe it is SO only
 
@YiJiang yeah, SO only
 
11:53 AM
@YiJiang the biggest problem I can see is that there's going to be WAY more editors than reviewers...
 
This is going to be a little weird... and I foresee a few people freaking out
 
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Q: web part title in xsl

JadedEricHi guys, I'm investigating a possible solution where all web parts on my page should be rendered without a chrome, meaning that the default title portion of the web part will be hidden, but the title supplied in the web part properties should be used elsewhere in the web part. I have found seve...

SO is running revision 6 btw
 
what do you do with an edit like that. Just removing the signature without cleaning up is just plain lazy...
 
@Benjol There are quite a few - for instance, it is possible for me to, for instance, embed 'hidden' content in the edit that the edit, and the reviewer won't be none the wiser, since apparently you can't see the source from the approval window
 
Community owns edits from anonymous users
look at its first edits, how cute
 
11:55 AM
@YiJiang apparently can't toggle BACK from full text to diff either...
 
...also how does Community have 2k rep?
 
@Benjol BUG REPORT MANIA!!!
 
:)
I feel like I want to edit their edit, and then approve that :)
 
@badp It says he 'own' CW posts, maybe that would be why?
 
@YiJiang Rep from CW posts?
 
11:56 AM
@Benjol Yeah, I hate it that there's no way to do it
 
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Q: Edit in progress

BarryI have just clicked on this question on Stack Overflow and an edit option is available. The tooltop reveals that an edit is pending and asks me to review it. This pop up then appears: I can't see any changes between the original question and proposed edit. If I click approve the pop up disappe...

I wonder what other low-rep users see if they click on 'edit'?
 
My edit standards are higher than theirs, I usually correct grammar mistakes too, but I don't want to reject their edit because it's actually useful... dilemma...
 
@Benjol Just open a window in private mode.
@YiJiang Approve their edit then edit it yourself?
Although it takes two to approve.
 
@badp Yeah, but that's adding to the edit list, wouldn't it?
 
@badp, doesn't it depend on rep? and have you invented a Name for this thing yet? :)
 
11:59 AM
 
@badp Interesting... very interesting. I'll do an experiment...
 
@badp, is that on top of a question that already has a pending edit?
 
@Benjol um, no
 
@YiJiang, go ahead, modify something as anonymous, then we'll have a look and see what it says :)
In case you wondered, THIS is why they don't announce the changes. It's too much fun trying to work it out on our own
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@Benjol No, it's a malicious experiment. I'll do it in the sandbox
 
12:01 PM
@YiJiang MSO still doesn't have it
 
@badp Hmmm...
Hang on, it does
 
Okay, version .4 didn't have it
 
Oh, wait... auto login (/facepalm)
Logged out from SO doesn't mean logging out from the entire network, keep forgetting that
This will be risky then... in the name of SCIENCE lemme try it on one of my own posts...
 
For science.
You monster.
 
I don't see why it's malicious at all. Edit something you'd be editing anyway
 
12:04 PM
@Benjol He wants to try something malicious with the feature.
 
Ah, I see.
naughty boy!
me too then :)
weird, with no login, I see no edit link...
 
@YiJiang I notice the rep bonus for good edits isn't still in place
 
I just received an error while trying to edit
 
I guess that's normal if the edits belong to community even after approval...
 
Hmmm... did they just turn off that feature again
 
12:08 PM
As I said, I see no edit button, do you?
 
Yup, the option's gone, as quickly as it had arrived
 
Oh well, fun while it lasted :) how did you spot it?
 
@Benjol That question you see up there
I had instinctively clicked on the close button, only to realize that it was the edit button that was carrying a number
 
script request: SE version comparer
 
@badp Eh... how?
 
12:11 PM
the version is shown on all pages
 
Hmmm... server-side wget or cURL
 
for example Dev Meta is running .28
this way we can just do one sweep to know what's available where
the information is comfortably available in the #svnrev node too...
 
@YiJiang it was activated for a couple of hours to do some testing
it'll come back :)
 
@balpha Right, how stable are the features?
Can we post bug report / feature req based on what we see?
 
What we saw... :)
 
12:14 PM
@Benjol Jeff will come in here, wave his hand, and we would never have saw
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@YiJiang LOL
 
@badp For me at least the only option would be to use cross-domain ajax to grab a copy of the page, then process it. But that many ajax reqs is going to be pretty heavy - a server side script could cache it better
 
@YiJiang sure feel free to post bugs, but it is totally a moving target at the moment ... I can not make sense of anything without a markdown diff at the moment and there are tons of glitches I still need to fix
 
@YiJiang I'm on the same boat
maybe with something on the AppEngine?
 
Oh, and in case anyone come in and tell me it's impossible to do X-domain ajax... james.padolsey.com/javascript/cross-domain-requests-with-jquery
 
12:16 PM
It's small enough that it might work...
 
FYI, this is from a bunch of unit tests I'm writing right now:
            _testReplyUser("yi", 1, "YingAndYang", "Yi Jiang", "Yi");
 
@badp True
 
guess the purpose :)
 
@balpha The new chat reply thingy?
 
no, this is for the main site
 
12:18 PM
if I ever design a programming language, it'll only have named parameters :P
 
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Q: Allow for Comment Reply to Usernames With Less Than Three Characters in First Word

Yi JiangI know this is somewhat of a rare request/edge case, but this is becoming really annoying. In the faq, which I've linked to below, you state that for the comment reply system to work, There must be a starts-with, case-insensitive match of at least three characters in the display name. ...

 
@balpha, autocomplete in comments? or some special "YiJiang stop looking for XSS exploits"?
 
@balpha Hehehe... well finally :P
 
@badp here's the signature :)
private void _testReplyUser(string userName, int? expected, params string[] candidates)
 
StackExchange™ ApprenticeEditorController™
 
12:22 PM
StackExchange™ VirtualFaith AnonymousEditor™
nah, I don't like it
StackExchange™ CommunityDiamond RepBooster™
or, hm
StackExchange™ HumanityEstimator GlobalEditing™
this one is okay.
 
StackExchange™ SweatShopSteward™
 
@badp Why is it Humanity Estimator?
@Benjol Ah ha! Best one so far :P
 
It estimates how much faith to have in it :P
what will be the PENIS/edit ratio?
@Benjol on that tone, StackExchange™ HumanityEstimator SharecropperEnabler™
 
Yup ShareCropper.. good StackExchange™ SharecropperSupervisor™
 
@waffles are we going to get a dedicated /review tab for edits?
 
12:27 PM
@badp ... I have it for ME but you will have to wait a bit ... the current way diffing is done just don't work
 
It's okay, I understand it's still cooking.
 
Sam doesn't share his toys
 
The StackExchange™ BigBrother NewbieStalker™ grows!
 
@badp I can smell the waffles cooking from here... can't wait to take a bite
 
@badp, not bad, not bad...
 
12:30 PM
(That's the StackExchange™ TrademarkMarked OfficialName™ for the /review page)
 
ok
 
12:42 PM
@badp We can use X-domain ajax to grab a random SE 2.0 site as well as SOFU + M and dev.M, but would it be worth it?
 
@YiJiang It would be better to poll 404 page of each site per minute
so with say 35 sites you'd get a full update every 35 minutes.
 
Okay, but there's still no caching, which is a bit of a waste wouldn't it?
@badp Is the 404 page the most lightweight page?
 
@YiJiang it's supposed to be
 
Will try something like that, hmmm...
Can I assume all beta sites to be of a single build?
 
@YiJiang um, not sure. TeX support was added to a beta, right?
 
12:47 PM
@badp Maybe ask the two devs we have here?
 
@YiJiang (there's nothing to ask, Math had it pretty much right away in the private beta)
you can check meta maybe
 
stackoverflow.com/robots.txt - the X-domain method using Yahoo Pipes doesn't work I think
 
6
A: TeX math markup is sorely needed

Geoff DalgasWe have added MathJax to support TeX equations based on feedback. MathJax is on the cusp of a 1.0 release and we will update this library once it's final.

 
Oh wait, it's not Y! Pipes
 
Hey @YiJiang. I saw the screen cap but I don't get it... what is live?
1 hour ago, by Yi Jiang
Holy crap it's live already why didn't they announce anything!?
 
12:54 PM
@Josh Editing was now enabled for any user, pending approval by a user with edit powers
 
HOLY ...!
 
42 mins ago, by balpha
@YiJiang it was activated for a couple of hours to do some testing
They flipped the switch back off now
 
oh
This is what I get for being asleep
I don't know if I like that idea
I guess I have to edit more to prove they don't need users with <2k rep to edit
 
@Josh, given that it apparently takes two to approve an edit, we'll now have twice as much work :)
 
UG
I do not approve, lol
I don't think most of the edits will be correct...
we'll see though
Needs closing/migration:
 

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