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12:06 AM
after a million years of planning and two million years of saving on a measly developer salary, I'm finally putting together a dev rig :3
 
12:23 AM
so it turns out the Law election isn't going too well
not enough voters, or something
which is a shame because the candidates are all pretty awesome
 
user315433
Not enough voters? Is there a minimum turnout requirement?
 
user315433
I thought the minimum was 1.
 
22% of eligible voters have voted thus far. Doesn't seem too awful.
 
user315433
There are 66 voters so far, which already beats NE election #1 which had 63.
 
12:37 AM
huh. they seemed to think the world was ending before
 
user315433
Does "they" refer to some over-enthusiastic multi-site users still in high school?
 
user202362
many people though the world would end in 1999, then more believed that it would end in 2012
 
user202362
the world would not end, but you and I are probably going to perish in the next 100 years
 
@ᴡᴏʀᴅs and jimsug
@Telkitty I think it'll happen this time with pokemon go
I'll go all in with my unicorn bucks on that one
 
user202362
12:59 AM
@Shog9 It's connected to the outside of the house, tiles are better when water gets in with the rain on a windy day. Also blame the chicken for the mess while at it.
 
1:47 AM
@Quill Just the unicorn bucks, eh? Saving the unicorn does for yourself, I see.
 
I've been trying to find smokey a partner
no luck so far
 
user202362
Unicorn bucks is what you get for selling the unicorns
 
user202362
you know, as a unicorn farmer ...
 
user315433
What's the vertical scale on the clickthrough-to-salary chart from the blog?
 
user315433
1 division = 1% ?
 
user202362
1:58 AM
omg ... still?
 
user202362
you really care that much?? 😭
 
[ SmokeDetector ] All of this user's posts are spam: user 619212 on superuser.com
 
user315433
Um, the answers appear to be different, matching the questions.
 
Pay attention to the user's answers. They all link to Partition Wizard.
 
They all seem to link to the same tool offsite
 
How to conveniently open the flag dialog and flag them without needing to concern about the cooldown -_-
 
3:44 AM
There's one really easy way
 
user315433
An easy way is not to do it.
 
Just be a mod on that site
 
user315433
This is a mod flag situation, not a mob-flag-all situation.
 
@Telkitty Rancher, unless you're milking the unicorns.
 
user315433
Nothing new here.
 
3:48 AM
...and the account is suspended for 7 days.
 
user315433
4:09 AM
0
A: Why does my Ring doorbell keep repeating the chime?

user57008Skylar, i've called tech support three times over the last 12 months, and I have never talked to anyone who sounded like they were offshore. It actually sounded like white frat guys. I've been really happy with their knowledge, hustle and can do attitude. Not sure how your experience could have ...

 
user315433
sounded like white frat guys, hmm...
 
@Wolf - I expect the Ring to make my doorbell chime work like a normal doorbell button: dingDong then silence. Not dingDong dingDong dingDong dingDong dingDong dingDong dingDong dingDong dingDong dingDong dingDong dingDong dingDong dingDong dingDong dingDong dingDong dingDong din — skylarsutton Mar 11 at 21:08
 
got the deputy badge on SU.... one small step to marshall ;-;
 
user202362
@tchrist milking the unicorns ... kinky!
 
user315433
4:25 AM
In the last few days, there is a rush of spam by accounts with username ending in "bond": metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/…
 
user315433
nibunjiibond, kinnujiibond, niyatjiibond and so on.
 
user315433
Does this mean anything in any language?
 
user315433
"Bond. niyatjiibond"
 
user202362
Bond, Jimmy Bond!
 
Google detected that as Yoruba language. Yoruba is used in West Africa, mainly Nigeria. Hmm....
 
4:32 AM
The name is Bond, JamesENL Bond!
Licence to spamflag
 
Congrats, nice joke
Now you've used it, you can't use that joke ever again
 
Awwwww
 
user315433
There's a workaround: delete your account, create a new one, use the joke again.
 
But then I'll lose my metasmoke record
 
user315433
@Portal Interesting. Did it say what the word means in the language?
 
user315433
4:36 AM
I don't know how to separate these into words, actually.
 
It's probably a suffix-title in some obscure language
 
Or Google just love to guess, but doesn't understand what they actually mean...
(By Google, I honestly mean Google Translate)
From one of the Twitter profile, "kinnujii bond"
 
user315433
If I separate into niyati bond, that is detected as Hindi and translated as Destiny Bond.
 
That.... makes more sense.
 
user315433
twitter.com/kinnujiibond/following is following 11 accounts, mostly Japanese... and Matt Cutts.
 
4:43 AM
> He is the former head of the web spam team at Google [...]
 
user315433
Yes, a well known Google person. Spammers must be trying to learn what's new in spam prevention.
 
5:17 AM
Wonder what's new since the last time I was here...
Apparently not too much.
 
5:35 AM
@Shog9 it had only 1 rep, maybe I should have taken a screenshot. Or did you force a synch yourself?
@Quill dev ring? Is it powerful? ;)
@ᴡᴏʀᴅs some mod agreed with the spam flags, account now suspended
> One or more of the answers is exemplary and worthy of an additional bounty.
Which of the answers, @ᴡᴏʀᴅs?
(as a side note, the " or more" part is misleading, might cause people to think bounty can be split between several answers)
 
user202362
@ShadowWizard 3 cents it's not shog but shog knew who the person was
 
5:51 AM
9 messages moved to Sandbox
Is the Docs drama still ongoing? Or should I hop on in and grab some easy rep?
161
Q: Remove "If Q&A is chocolate, Documentation is peanut butter." in the documentation tour

J. C. LeitãoI don't see how this analogy helps the user to understand what differentiates the Q&A from the documentation. I don't even get the analogy (maybe a cultural thing). SO is not a place to this type of analogies, specially in a feature (documentation) that has been struggling to be understood. I p...

Oh dear. I didn't see that one...
Without having looked at the recent drama (nearly any)... from the private beta I can say two things: 1) the idea is good, but 2) it didn't seem to work out too well. Quite obviously rep isn't working great in the public beta...
Seems like both sides right now are way over emphasizing the problem. It also seems like a much better use of time on both sides would be finding solutions and implementing them -- not arguing pointlessly.
And those blue dots are weird. They're just pulsating weirdly... seems like a really weird UX design.
(yes, I know they're supposed to teach me about Docs. But I was in the private beta, sooo...)
 
No negative-score questions on MSO's frontpage? I'm surprised...
 
Ugh, I didn't realize that voting determined the order of examples on Docs. While that may work out eventually, it's not Q&A where there's a "best" answer. There should be some logical progression there...
Also, what do flags even do? Should I flag something because I'm lazy and don't want to do it on my own? Or does that annoy a mod?
Also, why are there so many buttons off to the side? It's like brain overload right there.
And people are using <kbd>s for links. Sigh. animuson needs to have a talk with those people.
I think that was enough of an intro to Docs for one day. However, from my (brief) glance, it appears that Docs retains, if not adds, more intricacies to the system than the main sites have. Why? Why must I read some weird help center page to figure out how I get full editing rights? Why must I search on meta to figure out how these things work?
If reputation is going to be added to main SO, make privileges the same. If you have 2k, you should be able to make edits without asking others to review them. It appears no one has those rights? Who knows, the help center doesn't tell me.
And with that intermission (thanks Smokey), I'm done with my comments for the day. Next time on "Docs Comments"...
 
6:14 AM
in Sandbox, 24 secs ago, by Shadow Wizard
heh, so I blame @Quill ;)
@Quill ^
;)
 
;)
 
2 messages moved to Sandbox
 
and...
-41
Q: Can we please answer questions about NullPointerException before closing them as duplicates of /q/218384?

dorukayhanOccasionally, users ask questions about solving NullPointerExceptions in Java programs and get their questions closed as duplicates of What is a NullPointerException, and how do I fix it? before someone gives an answer. We should stop doing this. NullPointerException is a bug that can be solved...

Which is hidden from front page due to -8
@Telkitty nah, Shog got no reason to not tell the truth about it, most likely it's indeed his sock used to test the new RO feature.
 
user202362
6:32 AM
There are many socks in this room & they are not all shog
 
user202362
I need to open up SE accounts for my chickens
 
user202362
Not done yet ...
 
heh, looks like the site recommendation questions getting more and more popular on MSE.
Like movie identification on Movies.SE
 
user202362
I get them to upvote for me ... by putting a bit food on the button for upvoting me
 
6:38 AM
@Telkitty sure way to get yourself suspended, yeah
 
user202362
But I am not upvoting my socks ... it would be my chickens upvoting me out of their own will ...
 
@ShadowWizard something something in the darkness, bind them
@ShadowWizard wat
@ShadowWizard wat
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Done other and have the honesty by raoinjabar on drupal.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of answer: Replace product image by image uploaded through custom options by Lemo Lend on magento.stackexchange.com
 
@Quill haha, cool!
in Sandbox, 33 mins ago, by Shadow Wizard
@hichris123 hmm? Why invited?
in Sandbox, 33 mins ago, by hichris123
in Tavern on the Meta, Jul 13 at 4:36, by Quill
@hichris123 if you move the smokey reports, can you move the responses too?
@Telkitty ...
(those dots are edible)
 
6:55 AM
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sd k
@Magisch how you feeling today? Better?
 
@ShadowWizard ^still like garbage
 
@Magisch :(
Pain, or just bad stomach?
 
7:27 AM
New personal pet peeve: terrible commit messages. Coffee time seems like a good idea now.
:D
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Sim card not detected after installing CM13 (unofficial) on xperia l by brix Ivan on android.stackexchange.com (@Portal)
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website in body: To Achieve Effective Email Database Marketing by asialipi8 on android.stackexchange.com (@Portal)
 
sd 2k
 
7:49 AM
@Bart commit messages?
 
-10
Q: Can we make developers from companies more prominent

AthafoudWith the introduction of the documentation, we have been announced that some employees of several big companies are now part of the community. Recently I came across a user having - Microsoft as a part of her user name. Is this one of those user / employees? If so, can we make such users more ...

3
Q: Have the pros and cons of Badges been reevaluated recently?

Handsome UnlimitedI'm apprehensive about asking this, because I'm very new to the site myself. However, I'm wondering if others have considered the possibility that certain badges on the site might be encouraging counterproductive behaviour. If I'm being completely honest, this has come about because I keep seein...

 
Why do all of the smaller site meta's always show up an SSL warning in my browser?
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted username, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: powerful as a topical treatment, which is by nbecjuriyam on superuser.com
 
@ShadowWizard yeah, git commit messages. Particularly of the kind "This works better" ... so descriptive
 
8:08 AM
6
Q: Untrusted connection when visiting per-site meta over ssl

d3vidSteps to reproduce: In Firefox (with HTTPS Everywhere), visit a non-trilogy Stack Exchange site (for example, http://movies.stackexchange.com) Get redirected to the HTTPS version Click on meta link (for example, https://meta.movies.stackexchange.com) What should happen: Meta site opens Wh...

 
@Bart Honest to god, my last commit message contained the phrase Please god, let this be the last time I have to touch this
 
@Bart lol, that's terrible indeed. People are just too lazy.
Wonder how SE commit messages look like... ;)
 
It's so simple. Write a descriptive header, and then throw whatever rant you have into the body. But if I have to look at your commit to even remotely get an idea of what you've actually done ... I'm coming after you
 
@Bart with a stick?
 
Sharpened
 
@JamesENL I had to work once with one of the worst entity models I ever saw (properties with names mixing multiple languages, Object Ids, Dictionary<string, Object> instead of properties or with obsolete names such as Description begin used for an Address or Name begin a numeric value... and that is only the tip of the iceberg).
Since I couldn't work with that, I had to create some "mapping" service that would process that mess and give me something I could understand (== hide all the mapping nonsense in a single place)
In the end, we had a class called "PhilosopherStone" with multiple methods that would do the conversions... Every method was a variation like "TransmutateEvilProductToProduct", "DistillateOrderFromChaoticOrder" and so on...
 
8:30 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Does anybody know what this tool is called? by Mojo Techno on dba.stackexchange.com
 
@Derpy PhilosopherStone would be an awesome name for a Design pattern ...
 
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sd k
 
Is there a way I can filter questions in a tag by number of close votes (not SEDE)?
 
@rene Yeah, I know this isn't exactly right, but it was just the class method names (which to be fair were funny but still pretty understandable. The original entities weren't....). You should have seen that application.
 
8:36 AM
@Bart nope, but you can with the StackAPI
 
I think it must be my destiny. Forever fixing the chaos other made before me and reshaping app into something usable...
I wonder what would such a destiny cutie mark look like.
 
@Derpy I rather keep my sanity ...
 
@rene Isn't that a bit too late? I mean, you have already joined Stack... and you have been hanging here at the Tavern for quite a lot now...
 
@rene okay.
 
@Bart the question type in the StackAPI returns close_vote_count
@Derpy maybe we redefine sanity here?
 
8:43 AM
@rene Can I really trust a flower giving me a definition of sanity? Last one I meet tried to have me believe "L.O.V." meant "Love".
 
Oh, no worries, don't expect any Love from me.
So overrated
 
user202362
related to antivirus?
 
^ maybe try this instead?
 
@ShadowWizard run it elevated? 80070005 is a permission denied IIRC
 
8:57 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of answer: how can i restore chats on bluestacks by jane on android.stackexchange.com (@Portal)
 
Last time I remembered I had to uninstall some Windows updates first so that I can upgrade to Windows 10. Wasn't that smooch when I didn't have much free space.
 
@Derpy Mac?
@rene dunno how, I just clicked "Upgrade Now" in the annoying pop up they push every day... lol
 
@ShadowWizard Yep. I think your issue may be tied to the fact you are attempting to use Windows ^_^....
 
If they don't know how to run elevated code when it's needed, well, probably better not to upgrade.... :D
@Derpy well, got 10 at home so I'm good... thought to upgrade at work too, but guess Micro-hard makes it too hard so I'll pass. ;)
 
@ShadowWizard you might try to fetch the download tool here and run that one elevated.
Oh, and I assume you are on something like Win7? it doesn't work from Win3.1
 
9:08 AM
@rene nah... I'll wait for computer upgrade, probably one year or so.
 
Hmm, OK
 
@rene lol, 7 indeed. Tried 8 once and.... well.... it didn't end well. :P
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted user: Sim card not detected after installing CM13 (unofficial) on xperia l by brix Ivan on android.stackexchange.com (@Portal)
 
How to find SE spammers ^
At least they don't gain anything, since /users/*?tab=accounts and /users/*?tab=activity are blocked in robots.txt
 
9:27 AM
@Portal what does remblu do? Or is that an accepted variant of rmblu?
 
9:37 AM
!!/help
 
@ShadowWizard I'm SmokeDetector, a bot that detects spam and offensive posts on the network and posts alerts to chat. A command list is available here.
 
@rene looks like a typo
 
@ShadowWizard Invalid format. Valid format: !!/rmblu profileurl or !!/rmblu userid sitename.
 
9:38 AM
!!/rmblu 178855 android.stackexchange.com
 
@ProgramFOX User removed from blacklist (178855 on android.stackexchange.com).
 
/cc @Portal ^
@Portal how did you get the /u/{id} format anyway? Manually wrote it?
 
it's a user shortlink
I thought that Smokey accepted it for !!/rmblu, but I'll check.
 
Yeah, but is it linked anywhere? (no "share user" button/link afaik)
 
no idea, I don't remember where I saw it the first time
 
9:41 AM
!!/rmblu 178855 foo.stackexchange.com
 
@ShadowWizard User is not blacklisted.
 
yeah it is supposed to catch user shortlinks...
 
lol, lots of Russian translations today in SE
> The source content of the resource Source of the project Stack Overflow In Russian has been updated.
 
9:43 AM
@ProgramFOX User blacklisted (2619912 on stackoverflow.com).
 
see, it works
 
@ProgramFOX User removed from blacklist (2619912 on stackoverflow.com).
 
@ProgramFOX so why it didn't work for me?
 
@ShadowWizard User is not blacklisted.
 
9:44 AM
@ShadowWizard Invalid format. Valid format: !!/rmblu profileurl or !!/rmblu userid sitename.
 
oh. I had extra space after the "!!/rmblu" @Pro
 
ahh, that explains it
 
Since it's common when pasting, maybe ignore it in the code level?
(simple Trim, no?)
 
in fact, I thought that the websockets sent it to us with adjacent spaces merged into one, but whatever, it's an easy fix
 
@ProgramFOX yup. Thanks!
(in advantage ;))
 
9:49 AM
@ShadowWizard regex ... Expect downtime when you cleverly try to fix that ....
 
heh yeah it is regex
 
oh no
 
Better defer it to Nick then. It is in good hands ...
 
runs away in panic
 
I'm not going to write 1000 lines of code to merge spaces if one line of regex is enough
 
9:50 AM
I will totally do that
Well, not 1000.... or 100.... but 10.
 
yeah of course, 1000 wasn't meant to be interpreted literally :P
 
I totally accept a regex to bring down my website to its knees ... even if I could have written something close to 10 lines of code ...
 
And merging spaces is as simple as while (text.indexOf(" ")>= 0) text = text.replace(" ", " ") when thinking about it
 
what about 3 spaces?
 
See edit ^
 
9:52 AM
would work
but
 
" " <-- 3 spaces
 
no but!
 
why loops
 
Because
No regex
 
9:52 AM
" " <-- 4 spaces
 
?
Also, pretty sure regex are using loops behind the scenes, @Pro ;)
 
regex > loops
@ShadowWizard well then you get what you want don't you
I use regex, which internally uses loops. Everybody's happy :P
 
@ProgramFOX until it breaks/crash/needs a change :D
 
this chance was pretty simple so it won't
 
.replace("c", "g"); ^
 
9:54 AM
ghange
 
@ProgramFOX User is not blacklisted.
 
!!/rev
 
9:55 AM
there you go, spaces get merged
 
yay!
huh??? what's the difference between "re" and "regex"?
 
regex is an external module, that supports Perl regexes
re is the built-in module
 
oh, so it's... less good?
 
It's fine for most cases but we needed regex somewhere. So now we use 'regex' everywhere for consistency.
 
hoo ray!
lol can't put spaces just like that
 
10:10 AM
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10:32 AM
sd k
sd - 2k
;-; I thought I pressed 3
 
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sd 2k
 
11:13 AM
@ShadowWizard typo, thanks. As for user shortlink, Smokey use that format, I just copy-pasted from the report.
 
@Portal yeah, it was my bad about format, and @Pro fixed it. Next time keep in mind you should get feedback from Smokey, and if no feedback it usually means wrong command. :)
!!/boo
!!/blameme
 
mic drop @ShadowWizard
 
@Roland I will, while you can try and learn the terms. Cheers, and I'm out. — Shadow Wizard 1 min ago
 
oh, lol
But did I miss something? What he meant by "...the answer got redacted by bluefeet, which is fine since the user gets notified of this"? (i.e. notified about what?)
Wait.... does he mean edited??
 
11:26 AM
Yeah
 
face palm
So my final comment is right on spot. He got no clue about the terms.
"answer was unicorned" is as wrong.
 
Unicorns are never wrong
 
Depends what answers they eat.
Some answers can upset their stomachs.
 
Hehe, he redacted his question now. Ehm, I mean edited.
 
@ShadowWizard Thank you for the suggestion. I will consider it. — Roland 34 secs ago
 
11:32 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of answer: Posts showing [...] in it by summitmokati on wordpress.stackexchange.com
 
I won't be sorry to see him do that...
 
Niiice..... Had anyone ever saw an asp grid view state... stored in a sharepoint property bag.
there is no end to the horrors some people are able to craft.
 
oh god, I've started shopping at my local book store so much that the manager recognises me <_<
 
@Quill ask for V.I.P card
 
I have a rewards account already
 
11:46 AM
lol, nice
What books you buy?
 
lots of kinds. I picked up The day of the Triffids today, which I've been hunting for a while :3
 
@Derpy I've seen worse. Whole pages stored in Application level variables. (classic ASP caching)
@Quill what about stuff like Dune? Tried that?
 
I've been wanting to read Dune for a while, but I haven't got around to it yet
 
@Quill well... in one word I can describe the whole series/saga as "complicated".
Takes time and efforts to understand and get used to that world, but once you have... it's fun to read. :)
 
I'm reading Civilisation and its Discontents at the moment
 
11:51 AM
There is something in Dune (not original book, some much later book in the saga) that bugs me for long time, I plan to read it again and post on SF&F.SE
@EdCottrell you should change your first name to something with at least three letters, so we can ping you only with first name.... :D
 
@ShadowWizard you know... if you store a not serializable object in a property bag... best result you have corrupted the web app content db. Worst, you have corrupted the FARM config db....
 
12:13 PM
@ShadowWizard We have just recently deliberated that Dune is to be considered OT on SF&F. Not enough ponies.
 
it'd be easier to just do one massive canonical post describing everything in Dune and then just close everything as a dupe
 
12:27 PM
The eyes of developers only visit the most pressing subjects....
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Q: The SO Salary Calculator should have a GB Pounds option for London

doppelgreenerI'm referring to this one: https://stackoverflow.com/company/salary/calculator London's a location, and it would be useful for Londoners to see what this means for their pay. If it's just a flat USD -> GBP conversion, that would be reassuring to see; if it isn't it'd be useful to know what the p...

 
Suddenly I got 3 Docs privilege. Pretend I didn't know anything about Docs for now...
(AFK)
 
12:42 PM
sd k
 
@Derpy :(
But it got sandworms.... :D
@Quill not enough jQuery
 
The tag proposals on SO Docs...
where, word-wrap, will be cool to see documentation for that... language IDE thing.
 
lol
 
user315433
12:57 PM
@ShadowWizard Suspended, not destroyed. Confirming this was a mod flag situation, since mod's attention is required for suspension.
 
@ᴡᴏʀᴅs I know, I did say "account now suspended".
 
@ShadowWizard vox populi is voting on posts not comments right? Same for Suffrage?
 
@rene yup, no badge for comment votes
 
OK, I was thinking for a moment I was losing it ...
Thx
 
@rene you lost it years ago.
 
1:11 PM
He @Bart hand me the smiting stick will you?
 
user315433
@Portal Once you start dealing with Documentation, forever will it dominate your destiny.
 
@rene ... no ...
 
It was worth trying ...
 
@ᴡᴏʀᴅs unless you turn off reputation and hide MSO in the sidebar
this rock is a really comfortable place to live under
 
1:25 PM
@ᴡᴏʀᴅs Sorry, I have already sold that to ponies.
 
1:44 PM
-1 to LoE open weekend.
 
Anyone want a Stack Overflow mug, or perhaps a Stack Overflow t-shirt?
 
I want real swag!
 
> The users don't play around better not fuck with them
 
2:09 PM
surely this is a duplicate of something — ryanyuyu 51 mins ago
 
@ShadowWizard Heh. I think @edc would work. I can't verify it, since I can't ping myself.
 
@edc hi
 
Yep, that works.
o/
 
2:36 PM
hi
 
2:47 PM
o/
 
Chrome 52 is live! This classic bit of Homo Logicus argument is now resolved: http://arstechnica.com/business/2016/05/google-backspace-navigation-chrome-52/
related:
 
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