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12:19 AM
How come the vote counts are so spread on the Moderator election? 0, 6, ..., 3221
1:08 AM
@Majid People can also vote down
1:19 AM
@animuson My best friend does this, it's depressing.
1:34 AM
Well, IE9 is not bad. But it's still objectively worse than all of the other browsers in terms of features
2:25 AM
@TimYiJiang I think if it doesn't support CSS3 or all of HTML (like canvas for example), then it's bad
@Hassan There's no such thing as "all of HTML". HTML5 is suppose to be this ever evolving specification, so by definition no browser can support "all" of it
@TimYiJiang Okay but CSS3?
Also <canvas> is pretty useful...
Only if you use a lot of JavaScript. For those who don't, it's useless.
CSS 3 is also not a monolithic specification. There are still modules like flex box that are still undergoing drafting
That said, you'd be right to say that IE9 still lags behind the others in terms of support for certain modules which all other browsers have
Okay, but tell that to web developers who have to write their CSS just so it'll work right in ie9 (and others of course)
2:29 AM
@animuson To be honest I haven't see any "real" application of canvas outside of demos
But I think that may only be because ie doesn't support it.
It can completely replace flash
No, excanvas has been around for a long time
@Hassan Pray tell how are you going to get webcam/microphone support with canvas?
Good question...
I guess they will eventually ... ?
@TimYiJiang That's a separate API :P
@TimStone It is, which is why the statement that canvas will replace Flash is too broad a generalization
2:32 AM
Ah, yes.
2:52 AM

Proposed Q&A site for users of stack exchange who want a laugh.

Currently in definition.

Jeff Atwood on January 04, 2010

I noticed that the Stack Overflow question Strangest language feature has been closed and reopened several times now. The text of the question is brief:

What is in your opinion the most surprising, weird, strange or really “WTF” language feature you have encountered?

I agree this is not exactly an ideal question for Stack Overflow, per the FAQ:

Avoid asking questions that are subjective, argumentative, or require extended discussion. This is not a discussion board, this is a place for questions that can be answered! …

3:12 AM
I wish I could throw downvotes at proposals.
@Pointy, it may seem elementary, but cut the guy some slack. The OP has obviously gotten the concept wrong and needs some guidance. And who knows, the OP may be in 5th grade (isn't minitech or someone only 15?). — Jared Farrish 2 mins ago
So yeah, some guy just got 60 reps for pointing out what 8/9 is. I mean, I know rep is ultimately pointless and all that, but come on, this a ridiculous
I read that the first time as "@minitech is in the 5th grade" =)
@TimYiJiang Yeah, that whole question should definitely be deleted. It's not a programming question, it's confusion about how math works.
3:33 AM
Can a mod edit the tag to ? Thanks
> Posting this link violates copyright
How does that work?
All rights reserved eh? I wonder if he actually owns rights or if he just put that there not knowing a thing about how law actually works...
I mean, how do you copyright a URL?
@TimYiJiang Yeah...no.
This doesn't make sense. The code is on Google Code. That means it's F/OSS. Assuming the suggested editor is the author of the code, which appears to be the case
Why is the code even on Google Code?
A: What is the Metaphone 3 Algorithm?

Lawrence PhilipsI thought it is wrong to have the general community be denied an algorithm (not code) I am selling source, so the algorithm is not hidden. I am asking $40.00 for a copy of the source code, and asking other people who are charging for their software or services that use Metaphone 3 to pay me a li...

This feels like the OpenSTV charging for their software even though it's open source and available from repos
It doesn't make sense at all
3:47 AM
@TimYiJiang He gave the code to that Google project under a BSD license
How is that even an answer?
    * Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright
notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer.
    * Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above
copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer
in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the
    * Neither the name of Google Inc. nor the names of its
contributors may be used to endorse or promote products derived from
this software without specific prior written permission.
Doesn't say why you can't link to that Google Code page
@animuson The revision history of that post is even more interesting.
Sitting next to the director of Xcode at Dempsey and the Breakpoints. I had one word for him:


4:11 AM
@TimStone "clarify and fix spelling - bolt clock, please let stand" - Hahaha
That is a great revision note.
@jadarnel27 Mods be power tripping! But seriously, why can't he just flag for a mod to delete the post if he wants it gone?
4:22 AM
Ah...need to do the digests.
Suppose I'll take a quick break now and then come back to do that.
I also think I still have one Twix bar in the fridge at work for tomorrow...excellent.
I'm curious, at what size does a DB need to be before defining unique indices will actually make a difference in terms of performance?
I think that's an overly broad question. :P
The Tim has spoken.
4:38 AM
@TimStone Can you give an overly broad answer? :P
Table size. Just some rough figures on how many rows it would take before searching through indices would actually be faster than searching through the whole table
No? Ah well, I suppose there's too many factors concerning this
Pretty much, yeah. :P
I mean, indices are usually B-Trees, so the lookup performance is O(log n), where a table scan is O(n), but.
Adding unique indices where it "just makes sense" is sane, then adding anything additional you should do based on the explain plan of a slow query.
So primary keys, and wherever EXPLAIN says there's too many rows been searched?
Well, when it comes to EXPLAIN it's more about reducing costly operations...so typically this translates into "too many rows searched through", but it can be a bit more complicated.
Also depends on the database you're using too, to determine what operations have to occur for a particular query to execute.
Also, my meta reps is 20,666 at the moment, mwuahaha.
4:53 AM
@TimStone Wait till Jon Skeet hit 666 666
That's game over man
I think SO may wish to wipe Jon's rep before it hits that
Or else...
Heh :P
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6:00 AM
Q: Pirates Ho source code

rust_i am learning sdl library follow the page http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/cn/linux/game/sdl/pirates-2/index.html finally the author give the link http://pirates.devolution.com/samples/snapshot-030500.tar.gz to download the source code, but i can not access the website, could anyone tell me whe...

What exactly do you close this as? Haha It's just...
6:45 AM
gmorning @dav :)
@Lix Something like that :) It's 14:47 here.
not 02:47? :S Is google lying to me again?! :P
You're in Boston no?
Not "again" but "still." Normally I would be in Boston (or in the vicinity thereof). However, I'm on a 5-week business trip to the Philippines.
Ahh well don't blame me then :P hehe...
7:03 AM
I'm definitely enjoying it here, though. So far it's been mostly work, but I just had a conversation with an HR rep here who's helping me find some sight-seeing to do in the area.
Perhaps my team and I will go see the nearby volcano (dormant, unfortunately) this weekend. Ultimately I may fly over to Hong Kong some weekend as well.
I can't afford any of it, but I'll forever regret not doing any of it if I miss the opportunity.
7:25 AM
opens a bag of Flamin' Hot Cheetos, pours them on a plate, and places it on a table in the middle of the room, then walks away
@animuson eats them
(* sneaky om-nom-nom & innocent face *)
7:43 AM
misses superping ability on MSO
^^not worky worky
@TimManishEarth that works fine, he's been here recently
@balpha Hmm, no autocomplete though
I always though no autocomplete==no ping
@animuson Those were superpings
@TimManishEarth Those two are unrelated. I'd like to make that true at some point, but it currently isn't.
Which work (for me) on chat.SE (mod powers), but not here, since I don't have chat mod powers on chat.MSO
@balpha Aah
Thanks :)
@Pekka here's the script you asked for stackapps.com/questions/3477/transmogrify-offtopic-mso-posts
7:47 AM
Dry roasted peanuts!
@animuson Basically, a superping lets you summon a user to any chat room, regardless of when they joined
If it had worked, it would have replaced itself with @pekka (for some reason, it's lowercase)
@animuson Salted!
Aren't all peanuts salted unless they say specifically "unsalted" on them?
@animuson Hmm, right
Actually no
Not Planters, anyway.
I can't eat too many at once. They give me a Pepto Bismol symptom...
Psh, rep cap.
serial upvotes @animuson so he can weep about the lost rep
7:58 AM
Hahaha, do it! I want a reversal on my reputation that doesn't have a value with it. xD
Does it even show up if your reputation didn't change from them?
In the rep tab (can get rolled up, though), and the mobile site, yes
I meant the serial vote reversal statement
Hmm, dunno
Even more frustrating, it capped me like literally right below the 15,000 cut-off...
C'mon... C'mon...
@animuson Make tagwiki edits
8:01 AM
Those are still rep-capped though.
Only votes
Unless they changed it recently, reputation from suggested edits is included in the rep cap o.o
I saw it somewhere that it's only votes
It also says that in the reputation FAQ. You can earn a maximum of +200 reputation from upvotes and suggested edits in any given day.
8:05 AM
That question isn't answered yet though... It still needs action.
Anyway, I doubt you want to try out your "protect questions" priv right now
No, just being at 15k :D
is still far from 15k
Omgosh!!! I just got a slidey notification again!!! @Shog9
Me too
I got an "1 new answer has been posted" one recently
8:29 AM
@TimManishEarth: Lol, now it's 14,997. Even more unbearable!!!
Woo :D Congrats, you've gained the privilege – protect questions learn more
Ok, I can peacefully go to sleep now... Good night!
@animuson Good night :)
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9:40 AM
@TimManishEarth That is just brilliant
And the choice of name is epic.
Thanks very much!
I will be using it and giving feedback.
Awesome, I didn't realize there was a Calvin & Hobbes meme on MSO. But I definitely approve :)
10:18 AM
is it possible for non US citizens to take action against US companies using CAN-SPAM?
10:35 AM
@Pekka It "transmogrifies" eyesores into fun posts :)
@TimManishEarth Does it check if the question already has one of these comic posts?
@TimYiJiang Nope
Should it?
Probably, if you're not the only person using this
I guess that's up to you to check. After all, the answer box is at the bottom, and you have to click the submit button to finish it (the script does not do any irreversible stuf for you)
Ah, okay
10:40 AM
@TimStone That wasn't quick. Fail. |:
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12:17 PM
Aww, I can't subvert the rate limiter by posting my own answer? -1
Not leaving blatant holes in the system, tsk.
I wonder who I have to bribe to add an if (!tim) to all those checks... starts baking bribery cookies
12:57 PM
Everyone be sure to go wish Sam the best on his new adventures. :)
1:12 PM
Very nice blog post. I'm sure he will be missed greatly on the team.
Exciting news, I found a canonical question that can be used to close all of the "What does <%# ... %> mean in ASP.NET?" questions.
prepares the close-hammer
You could always swing that hammer at the question that inspired me to look for a canonical answer =)
ASP.NET tags are trolls anyway, Razor 4 life
And now to go to work.
Hahaha, HEY! That's my tag you're talking about there.
1:53 PM
Is there anything in place stopping someone from sniping less popular bounty questions? i.e. post a meh answer at the 11th hour + sock puppet upvotes just before the auto-award kicks in.
The answer is always: The community should be able to spot it
I wonder what you could do to protect against that? Perhaps auto-flag 11th hour answers to bounty questions if the answer meets some shady criteria?
Too much work. This exploit is pretty hypothetical in my opinion
Agreed, I was just thinking out loud.
"Out loud" being, um, relative.
I suppose the bounty owner will throw a fit if that happens, but not so sure if the community in general will realise what has happened especially if the question is somewhat obscure
2:01 PM
@ShawnChin Right, I think the bounty owner part is key. They would almost certainly flag the answer or post on Meta about it.
I agree that this won't happen often enough to warrant a fix, but I suspect it is possible given the right circumstances.
2:49 PM
Q: How do i remove the timeline?

Melissa RigbyHow do i remove the timeline? I accidently clicked on to get it and I REALLY don't want it. I hate the timeline that i would delet my account to just not have it. I do not wish to delet my account because Im in the military and I keep it as connections.

Kill this crap
@animuson what?! Where? Stop breaking stuff!
I had no idea that community auto-protected questions. Neat.
@jadarnel27 Two deleted posts by mods = auto protect
Surprised you didn't notice. If you look at all the high view count posts on SO almost all of them have this
@TimYiJiang Me too. I'm crazy as hell.
@TimYiJiang The post says three (I don't know which is correct).
@jadarnel27 Huh. I always thought it was two, from observation. But maybe they raised the number
It's not retroactively applied, mind. Only for new deletions
3:12 PM
Oh, right. That makes sense.
@TimYiJiang The post? Or timeline?
@ShawnChin Both, if you will
3:33 PM
@TimYiJiang But I have same problem plz E-Mail me solution
@Pekka Don't you mean "plz post asnwer on my ugly, non-user-friendly, stupid new design fb wall"?
@PopularDemand no coz that would make me look like I'm not the FB Guru I say I am. I want to change the way it looks like plz send E-Mail or message
Hi all
What do I order for lunch today? ...
Pizza Pizza Pizza
With some weird topping
A topping you've never had before.
Make it happen, now
@Pekka They have curry chicken pizza here
3:38 PM
Lol i need to get it on Seamless. My office pays ^_^
@TimYiJiang coool
@TimYiJiang That sounds delightful.
I decided to go off vegetables for a change and ate a proper traditional local meal
It was delicious.
and in a real Restaurant, no less.
Ahhh ha
Sushi it is ^_^
4:01 PM
@Pekka It looks delicious. You should have invited me, it's lunch time!
4:27 PM
@TimStone next time!
4:52 PM
Got past the MVC wall I was running into yesterday. Progress.
5:07 PM
Is Google supposed to be able to see deleted questions?
@0A0D Don't thinks so. You found a case where it does?
Q: Can Google (search engines) "see" deleted posts or comments?

Robert CartainoI have a vanity search set up on Google. Every once in awhile a post or a comment comes through that just seems ambiguous, outdated, or whatever... so I follow the link and I clean it up or delete it. I can see my deleted posts. +10K users/moderators can see deleted posts. Deleted posts are list...

@ShawnChin Yes, I did a google search for std::stream underflow and it came back with this question as the top link: stackoverflow.com/questions/11018787/…
Maybe the index is old.
That question was deleted an hour ago, so won't be surprised if google is not yet aware of it
And note that the site preview is not available from the search results. That kinda confirms that deleted answers are not visible to Google.
That result will probably disappear the next time GoogleBot drops by
5:33 PM
@Pekka - Hey! There's a ton of Germans here.
6:08 PM
@Moshe Hey! I'm not that fat.
What do you mean?
I'm not sure what you're referring to.
the Germans, man! They're EVERYWHERE!
@Pekka He's at an Apple developer conference thingamajig.
Apparently, there are German people there and he wanted you to know about it =)
@jadarnel27 ahhh, I get it! Thanks.
@Moshe cool.
I wonder whether that is any indication of future developments?
iPad 4: Das Tablett
@Pekka I live to observe. No problem.
6:38 PM
Gahh, a recruiter used "gimme" in their word choice o.o
Gimme an "N"! Gimme an "O"! What does that spell‽
thinks how he can make this into a Tim Stone joke
@TimStone What is that weird question-mark-type character at the end there?
The interrobang, also known as the interabang, (), ‽ (often represented by ?! or !?), is a nonstandard punctuation mark used in various written languages and intended to combine the functions of the question mark (also called the “interrogative point”) and the exclamation mark or exclamation point (known in printers’ jargon as the “bang”). . The glyph is a superimposition of these two marks. It is present in Unicode as . Application A sentence ending with an interrobang asks a question in an excited manner, expresses excitement or disbelief in the form of a question, or asks a rhetoric...
You don't know about the interrobang‽ Get out.
6:46 PM
I thought there was some kind of debris on my monitor for a second.
Oh. Chumptastic (of me).
@PopularDemand Kids* these days. *For definitions of kids that include people older than me, but not me.
Someone lick my envelope.
^ That's what she said.
Since no one sends actual mail these days, I'm not sure if you're having a postal problem or if that's some sort of euphemism.
My parents are going on vacation for a week so I have to give my dad his Father's Day and Birthday cards today
6:49 PM
...Oh right.
I was just going to print them, but my printer is still doing that no-printing-cyan-and-magenta thing
7:02 PM
I feel like there have been more Meta posts than usual about flagging / "incorrectly declined" flags this week.
I thought link only answers were blocked now?
A: asynchronous mvc .net: how to return a view from async method

Tushar Dabhihttp://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee728598.aspx

Hm, for a second I smelled sock because that name was familiar, but apparently there are dozens of users with that first name.
7:23 PM
THAT IS MY FAVORITE PART. — Jarrod Dixon 23 mins ago
Oh Jarrod
Does anyone know if English random♦'s first language?
Sometimes I wonder =)
Says Mr. I-forgot-a-verb up there.
Whoops. Too late to edit, as well =)
8:06 PM
I wonder how much reputation I've lost from the cap today...
228, hmm :P
8:24 PM
Shhh. No shouting.
This is a library.
@TimStone THC digest for SO!
Yes! >_<
in Town Hall Discussion, 7 hours ago, by Tim Stone
Alright, I will be dreadfully late for work if I try to do the SO digest now...so I will take care of that later today.
RPG can dilly a tiny bit but SO is kinda big huge important to get out
8:31 PM
RPG is already done
That's convenient
I foolishly fell asleep and had to go into the office today. >:/
I see, I see
Well, now is later than 7 hours ago
It is, it is...
I suppose I can try to do it at the office, but uh...
I know, I'm the weak link in the chain again. ._.;
If you can't do it now, I can run it myself
If you're in your office, you probably have paid things to be doing
8:38 PM
Nah, I'll give it a go. I finished what I planned on finishing today anyway.
Well, if you get too busy, just let me know and I'll finish up, mmkay? ♪
Sure thing. Again, sorry about that. I try not to let that happen with the digests >_<
It's okay.
Q: Have Stack Overflow's tag wiki excerpts veered away from their purpose?

animusonTake this screen shot of the first page of tags on Stack Overflow: Take, for example, the database tag there. The excerpt simply states: [A database is] an organized collection of data. Or even the [tag:linux tag, which states: [Linux is] a Free (libre), Open Source, Unix-like operat...

Now that I think about it, I should have waited until midnight to post that. xP
Why does the excerpt for Linux say "(libre)" in it?
8:50 PM
I have no idea...
I think it means "free" in Spanish, if I remember correctly. Not that that explains it's presence there =)
I thought it meant book o.o What the heck was I thinking of?
Oh, ya. liber means book in Latin
Haha. Actually "libro" means book in Spanish, so you were still close =)
Heh, I studied Latin for 4 years, so a lot of the words are still floating in the back of my mind.
Each tag-wiki-excerpt has but one primary purpose - to carry its message to the potential tag choosers.
@animuson Exactly how I feel about Spanish =)
9:39 PM
Is there a way to send a message to a fellow user? I know this was rejected at one point - I'm just not sure what to do. It seems silly, but at least we could be able to comment on a user's profile, so they can see the message when they next log in.
If it is within regards to something on the site, post a comment on the relevant post of theirs
If it is about a request?
If it isn't about anything with regards to material on the site, then check their profile for any contact details they've made public. If there isn't, then there's no means.
@GraceNote Almost done!
9:57 PM
I'm afraid we're going to have to disqualify @Lix though, his Facebook photo does not play well with the template.. ;)
10:17 PM
Digestion complete.
Are you sure there was no regurgitation?
Let's hope not.
@jadarnel27 The word "free" in English is seen as ambiguous, and maps to multiple words in some languages. Some languages, including French, use gratis for the sense of "free of cost" and libre for the sense of "free of restrictions". "Free software" folks sometimes borrow this word to be clear (e.g. LibreOffice).
Gratis versus libre is the distinction between two meanings of the English adjective "free"; namely, "for zero price" (gratis) and "with little or no restriction" (libre). The ambiguity of "free" can cause issues where the distinction is important, as it often is in dealing with laws concerning the use of information, such as copyright and patents. The terms are largely used to categorise intellectual property, particularly computer programs, according to the licenses and legal restrictions that cover them, in the free software and open source communities, as well as the broader free c...
10:34 PM
@TimStone Thank you much, Tim
Aye. I promise not to wait so long after the next one to avoid unfortunate lack-of-energy scenarios. :P
This was surprisingly speedy, however.
The candidates did an excellent job at following the instructions, so a tip of the hat to all.
11:15 PM
@JeremyBanks Oh, wow. I did not know about that ambiguity. That's very enlightening, thanks!
Congrats on getting the digest done, @TimStone =)
Stupid emergency alert system disrupting my program for severe weather not even affecting my county mumbles some more
11:32 PM
Gahhhh! Go away emergency alert system >_< GO AWAY!
"This is a very dangerous situation." - Hahahaha, no way!
11:43 PM
Something to add to the list:
Stack Overflow is not a creativity-giving site. :(Derek 29 secs ago
@animuson Famous last words :P

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