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Ryan M

00:01

@bobble Yeah, I'd say so. ...but conveniently, the post is old enough that that's just a link in so body, so... now it's fixed. Though a moderator could also reopen and reclose as a modern duplicate if desired.

user728672

00:12

meta is behind the times. my new avatar doesnt lad here?

bobble

shouldiblamecaching.com

third try's the charm

user728672

cute

user728672

well dang storms not out channel i was listening to and changed to the next available channel.. I should learn spanish..

Ryan M

00:27

@GWarner showing up for me now after a refresh

user728672

ahh

forest distrusts StackExchange

nypost.com/2021/06/23/…

:(

Spevacus

What a wild ride his life is.

forest distrusts StackExchange

*was

Spevacus

Yeah... Sorry.

user728672

00:39

i dont think i ever used his software.

forest distrusts StackExchange

It's not his software that people like him for. In fact, he hates his software (it was bought from him but kept the name). He even made a (comical) video once showing how to uninstall it, with cocaine.

Rob

01:25

@GWarner If you have a Samsung cellphone (possibly other brands too, and OEM computers) it is included:

forest distrusts StackExchange

The AV is really quite trash. It's unfortunate that his name is still associated with that.

Though to be fair, all AV is trash.

Rob

01:44

I have a few running in the background. I also have trusted boot and monthly security updates. Never had a problem, unlike with a PC where I'd get hit a few times each year. PC problems are worse in recent years, because the problems are frequently undetectable and use your computer to create problems for others; leaving you holding the bag.

forest distrusts StackExchange

I guess it's good enough to protect from random malware online.

user728672

naw nothing like that. Avast on Laptop, MBAM on another, Still in the air with Windows 10. Does it really need 3rd part AV?

Rob

No protection from best efforts, which most people aren't subjected to; unless they are a valuable target.

forest distrusts StackExchange

You'd be surprised at just what might count as a valuable target.

user728672

Been trying for years to get someone to steal my identity with no luck.

forest distrusts StackExchange

01:49

Especially if you're not the target, but a target who, if compromised, can be used to pivot.

Rob

One AV only often misses something, even if only for a few weeks.

forest distrusts StackExchange

E.g. a dev who works on an open source app that is used by an ISP which is used by a CEO.

user728672

I self isolate. I don't do online financial. Need online? Get a Prepaid Debit and throw it away when you are done. Don't reload from your bank.

forest distrusts StackExchange

Good enough to protect from the casual identity thief for sure.

(Which make up the majority of identity thieves)

user728672

Of course there is drawbacks. Lack of credit history. Purchase insurance for misplaced or damaged orders.....

forest distrusts StackExchange

01:54

Not really a drawback, just a different lifestyle.

user728672

Im dealing with a mis-delivered order. $38 + loss I likely won't get refunded

forest distrusts StackExchange

ouch

Personally I always recommend people who use Windows to only use the built in Defender.

It's much better than it used to be, and better hardened against privesc than others.

Rob

Apparently ransomware attacks have lead to a U$1.5B loss: forbes.com/sites/andreatinianow/2020/07/01/…

forest distrusts StackExchange

haha wow

Good way to teach people to make backups.

Or to make money, depending on which side you're on.

Rob

... and not photograph your girlfriend's stuff.

forest distrusts StackExchange

02:05

That's not as big a deal because your camera probably has copies.

But then again, I'm out of touch with modern photography.

Rob

Think twice, post once.

forest distrusts StackExchange

heh

But as long as people are making backups, ransomware is more-or-less harmless.

And it's quite easy to take incremental snapshots without buying a zillion drives.

Rob

What if they sell your photos of your girlfriend or children, for a buck a shot ...

forest distrusts StackExchange

Most ransomware just automatically encrypts data on hard drives and doesn't upload it anywhere. Data breaches and ransomware are quite different.

Rob

A backup isn't going to do anything.

forest distrusts StackExchange

02:08

And anyone who can sell photos of someone's girlfriend or children for a dollar each is an incredible salesman. :D

But unlike ransomware, I doubt those kind of ransom data breaches cause anywhere near a $1.5B loss, especially since they tend to be either much more targeted, or a scam (i.e. they don't actually have any of your data).

Rob

Smokey announces such links occasionally, such as the dolls ...

forest distrusts StackExchange

dolls?

oh

Scammers on SE?

(Of course, it's important to save any photos you don't want leaked in encrypted media that's not constantly plugged into your computer! Otherwise you're just asking for trouble.)

tripleee

05:01

@forestdistrustsStackExchange I'm vaguely thinking they actually put that as the title of their post?

their other post metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/313325 does show with what should be a really offensive title

tripleee

05:12

confirmed by Makyen

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 56 secs ago, by Makyen

@tripleee Yes, actually edited on-site. This is the record for the question by the same user, which is NSFW.

Rob

05:43

Much like this trick of a week ago; use an expected error message as the text to be read:

Jun 17 at 6:53, by Rob

rene

06:01

→ 27 messages moved to Chimney

Luuklag

08:07

@JNat cross site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/2778239/jbell?tab=accounts

@JNat, one site spammer, but with very offensive name. Could you nuke as well? stackexchange.com/users/22036797/?tab=accounts

Wolf

09:39

sdc k

SmokeDetector

@Wolf No such command 'k'.

Wolf

ok

Ryan M

It's sd k, but that would only work for privileged users.

Wolf

oh ok

like my new avatar

Ryan M

looks like a snake in the tiny chat icon, but if you're okay with that it looks nice :-)

Wolf

09:42

its a dragon

:)

Ryan M

ah, well then a snake's not too far off

Wolf

ok

Ryan M

It looks like it's got some aspect ratio issues in your profile, though.

Wolf

yeah when i look in my profile its kina squeezing

its squeezing in my profile

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

10:06

@RyanM so how do I look like in the small icon? ;)

@RyanM yup that's because of a bug (?) the image on the profile page isn't scaled at all, it's the original, so the browser is forcing both width and height.

There is request for thumbnail from SE side, for 328x328 size, but it's ignored by imgur. e.g. i.sstatic.net/iLXo4.png?s=328&g=1

So either SE should ask for size that exists, or imgur should add such a size.

Until then, images with ratio different than 1x1 will be squeeshy.

(not to mention waste of bandwidth, but that's on imgur side so doesn't matter ;))

Ryan M

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 you look like a person with a mask. wizard status unclear at this resolution.

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

:D

Well you don't see my wand.

:P

Tinkeringbell

...

Rob

Is it blue?

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

10:30

@Rob I hope not!!

Give me a second...

Nope. It has a crystal though.

Wolf

check my profile

avatar

Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2

I'll show you my wand. Ready?

No? I'll show anyway.

:-D

Wolf

woah

q:

Journeyman Geek

10:51

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 so the wizard's rod does have a knob on the top

JNat

11:05

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 gone

@Luuklag gone

Rob

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 Hey, show the real one !

JNat

@Spevacus gone

Wolf

?

JNat

@Spevacus gone

@Luuklag looks like they have crappy answers, but not actual spam. On U&L there was a spammy looking answer, indeed, so I just destroyed that one profile for now. That leaves an annotation for posterity, and feeds some IP addresses to the system to block.

@Spevacus gone

@Luuklag gone

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog gone

@Luuklag had only ever posted on one site, so I'd say by definition can't be a cross-site spammer... ;P in any case, one of their posts looks spammy but the other just crappy — gonna leave it alone for now, since it could just be a misguided user.

Rob

11:41

@ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2 It is possible for the chat's tiniest icon size to be of better quality; there's something wrong with it, compared to the site's top bar avatar:

See, one is sharp. The other is mushy.

Meta Andrew T.

12:05

depends on the source image's physical size and on-site's resizing, I guess...

Luuklag

12:24

@JNat cross site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/21993093/zahnriemen?tab=accounts

Spevacus

@Luuklag Weird. Their username on Stack Overflow got anonymized when the spam post they made on SO was deleted, but the destruction didn't go through fully - Their profile on SO still exists. They didn't remake their profile there, otherwise it would have picked up a suspension from remaking after destruction.

Tinkeringbell

12:37

@Spevacus Someone might've just reset the profile back to default instead of destroying it?

Would be weird to not push that networkwide then though...

Spevacus

It's possible. I won't bug an SO mod about it, but I've seen destruction not complete fully before on SO.

Tinkeringbell

I guess if you want to be sure, a SO mod need to tell you ;)

@Spevacus Oh, that would be... a fatal flaw?

Spevacus

:O

@Tinkeringbell Would that affect new profiles being created? So, say you reset my MSE profile and I went on to make a profile on a different site - Would I retain my avatar and username pre-reset?

Tinkeringbell

@Spevacus I think new profiles are always taken from the networkwide one? So it would take whatever is shown on stackexchange.com/users, I guess.

Meta Andrew T.

@Spevacus the source profile depends on the oldest created profile, isn't it?

Spevacus

12:40

Prob

Meta Andrew T.

I mean, I can just test it on my 3D Printing account by deleting and recreating it (for the 6th time, I guess)

Spevacus

That poor sock... :(

Luuklag

13:10

Hmmm why does a 5 month old post pop up?

user728672

13:23

Why does it?

user728672

Lets try something. Im going to edit the post.

user728672

13:40

editied my first post in a forum I wasnt part of. Now I understand what 'edited by 'Commuity' means

Tinkeringbell

@GWarner on a site, not 'in a forum'

user728672

yea that too

user728672

irts too early where's coffee?

Tinkeringbell

I think SmokeDetector hoards coffee and shares if asked nicely.

Otherwise, I wouldn't know.

user728672

figures

Mithical

13:56

twitter.com/Yaakov/status/1408060460377665541

It finally happened.

Tinkeringbell

@Mithical You're even blurrier than @rene ! :D

terdon

@Mithical Oh wow, that's so cool! Well done you three! :)

Tinkeringbell

And Yaakov is a lot more grey than his profile picture ;)

terdon

Sweet of you to point that out :P

Tinkeringbell

Sha's still just looking like Sha though :D

Luuklag

13:58

@Mithical you finally got blurred?

@rene you appear to have a fan here ;)

Tinkeringbell

@terdon Not saying it's a bad thing! I hope I get the chance to turn grey too :)

canon

"Collectives™," eh?

Yaakov Ellis

my profile shot was from my first visit to the SE offices after I was hired, nearly 8 years ago

a lot has happened since then

well, at least I still have something left to turn grey....

Luuklag

@YaakovEllis Malnurishment also wasn't one of the things ;)

terdon

@YaakovEllis ha! Very valid point!

Tinkeringbell

14:00

@Luuklag kicks under the table... I didn't want to say that XD

Yaakov Ellis

@terdon both of my grandfathers were fully balf by the end of their twenties (an age that I have definitely surpassed by now)

@Luuklag really? we have to go there also?

Mithical

@Tinkeringbell Aside from personal preference, I'm unsure about the military's regulations on stuff like that (they gave us some pointers, but I don't recall all the specifics), so... err on the side of caution. :)

(Definitely had to blur my base tag, that I know.)

Yaakov Ellis

@Luuklag it's the angle!

3

Luuklag

@YaakovEllis Good to know, I'll use that next time myself :)

Mithical

@Luuklag Yaakov was very responsible and got a fruit shake instead of a milkshake :D

terdon

14:02

Heh, last image of you you'd shared, @Mithical, was of a child. This one is clearly an adult, blurred or not. Nice to see evidence of time passing :)

Tinkeringbell

@Mithical Caution is always good! I think all pictures I've seen of you so far have obscured your face ;-)

terdon

Shame though, you can no longer preen about being mature for your age :P

Mithical

Somehow, I am technically an adult now. Hard to believe, but... yep. (I turn 19 in a month. Don't want to think about it.)

Tinkeringbell

@terdon At what point do you stop that preening about being 'mature for your age' and instead start complaining about others being immature? ;)

Mithical

@Tinkeringbell Apparently... yesterday. :P

Tinkeringbell

14:04

Hahaha

Luuklag

Can anyone still repro the issue here? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/151894/…

terdon

@Tinkeringbell Eh, when you're just not immature, but no longer young enough for that to be impressive.

Mith in their teens was more mature than most adults!

Meta Andrew T.

@Luuklag it's always been like this until now ;)

Tinkeringbell

@Luuklag Sort-of... I don't remember it being any different XD

@terdon I know, I was around for just a tiny bit of that :P

Mithical

You're all making me feel old now, reminiscing about when I was a young teenager. >.<

Tinkeringbell

14:11

Welcome to the lawn ;)

Meta Andrew T.

So here I am ♪
Growing older all the time ♪
Looking older all the time ♪
Feeling younger in my mind ♪

Spevacus

I turn 25 this year and I'm not particularly excited about that.

And yet I'm still young D:

Tinkeringbell

I'm turning 30... Doesn't feel all that mature, but that's to be expected in a place where maturity means 2 kids and a husband :|

Spevacus

Oh god, kids. Marriage. Maybe in a few years but, damn... I'm not ready now for sure.

Tinkeringbell

I think I can get married at 34... Divorcing at 35 seems a reasonable thing to do here too XD

Spevacus

14:14

LOL

Luuklag

@Tinkeringbell Then what am I?

Tinkeringbell

(I'm playing this game right now where, to achieve perfection, you have to 'marry' a NPC.... )

Luuklag

@Tinkeringbell At least you won't get in a fight with them xD

Tinkeringbell

@Luuklag You have two kids but no husband, right? That means immature then :P

@Luuklag Heh, you can divorce in the game too... and then they'll forever be grumpy, from what I've read. I usually just consider the game 'perfected' when the only thing left to do is marriage XD

Luuklag

@Tinkeringbell 3 and a wife ;)

Tinkeringbell

14:16

@Luuklag Oh, that not only makes you mature, it makes you old! :P

Luuklag

At least my hair isn't grey yet ;)

Yaakov Ellis

@Luuklag really? again?

Tinkeringbell

3 kids, and none of them have given you grey hairs yet?! Wow.

Luuklag

@Tinkeringbell I'm blessed with excellent hair ;)

Tinkeringbell

@YaakovEllis Just wait... In a few hours someone will end up photoshopping your avatar :P

@Luuklag That's nice! Mine is... meh. It's not grey either though :D

Luuklag

14:24

I just had it cut today, Have to take a picture for the company website on monday :(

Spevacus

@Tinkeringbell Considering it...

Tinkeringbell

@Luuklag Ugh, mandatory pictures are the worst.

Luuklag

@Tinkeringbell Couldn't resist. Sorry @YaakovEllis

Spevacus

Lol. Was that done in paint?

Tinkeringbell

I bet it was powerpoint....

Luuklag

14:28

Lightshot ;)

Spevacus

A man of culture.

Luuklag

Don't confuse grey hairs with tin foil though ;)

@YaakovEllis It's also hosted by gravatar instead of imgur, so has been around for a while I see ;)

Ryan M

That's a very nice photo of the three of you :-) It's always cool seeing the internet make things happen in real life.

6

Kevin B

🚽

Tinkeringbell

Ehh... bad timing again, Kevin....

Luuklag

14:33

Where there enough people in the venue for you guys to qualify for the [not-a-robot] badge @Mithical, @ShadowWizardWearingMaskV2?

rene

@Luuklag I only have fans ...

Luuklag

@rene wait what, onlyfans?

rene

Venz

Luuklag

rene

:facepalm:

Mithical

14:41

@Luuklag unfortunately probably not, was just the three of us :p

Wolf

LOL

rene

@Mithical if that is true, who took the picture?

Luuklag

@rene a wallflower ;)

well thats enough puns for the day, I better get some grey hairs, aka picking up the kids

Tinkeringbell

Don't hurt your back while picking them up!

Luuklag

haha, yeah that is a serious risk with the twins

If you pick one up, the other feels left out

So you end up with 2x 20kg

Tinkeringbell

14:45

Time to get a gym membership before they grow much bigger :P

Luuklag

Already have one, tonight I go ;)

Mithical

@rene waitress

rene

Cool. It is awesome to see the three of you together. I'm glad and happy it worked out.

Mithical

It only took a year and a half of planning ;)

rene

totally worth it ;)

Yaakov Ellis

15:23

@Tinkeringbell I told my kids about your observation about my shifting hair color, and they took the opportunity to laugh about it

@Luuklag they thought that you went over the line with the "malnourished" comment

@Mithical we were about to do this literally the first day of corona lock down in March 2020

@rene the waitress. The same one who accidentally spilled a bowl of pixels all over Mith's face.

rene

Ha!

Rob

@Spevacus Looks like Liquid Paper typewriter eraser.

Wolf

@YaakovEllis 🤣

Tinkeringbell

@YaakovEllis They're kids, did you expect otherwise? :P

Luuklag

15:41

@Tinkeringbell kids are always honest they say ;)

@YaakovEllis you raised them well.

user728672

hey smokey, its clickbait

user728672

you have my permission to delete it :)

Rob

16:18

His hair look OK to me:

4

From Feb 2020

user728672

Yaakov Ellis Amadeus Mozart!

user728672

ahh finally got my covid eye patch

user728672

Weirdly satisfying editting 13 year old questions....

user728672

Heloo Wolf, how have you helped the SE community today?

Wolf

just got downvoted and answer deleted

@GWarner your question is downvoted

user728672

16:27

which one?

user728672

which answer of yours?

Wolf

-1

Q: Why is there no highlight and drag for moving blocks of text inside the input box?

Often when I compose or edit posts, I find that often words or phrases are better suited in a different order and wish to move them, however, I am constantly reminded by the 🚫 (prohibited) symbol that I can not do this. Is this something specific to SE sites?

user728672

and which question of mine?

Wolf

that is your question that is down voted

user728672

hmm i wonder why..

user728672

16:29

lijke maybe is forbidden to question SE coders...

Wolf

maybe

user728672

it was a simple question. i read 10 posts for 30 minutes trying to find an explaation.

user728672

I better not ask them why a link in a post comes back Blocked by Microsoft

user728672

how are blacklisted users even logging in?

Wolf

?

user728672

16:34

the idea of blacklist is, NOT ALLOWED, isnt it

user728672

@rene if that was an aswer I'd accept it.

Ryan M

"blacklisted user" is a feature of the Smoke Detector bot (run by Charcoal), not the network itself

Wolf

sdc chois admins

user728672

okay i had to laugh at that @RyanM

Wolf

oh ok

rene

16:36

@GWarner meh, not interested

user728672

well ill accept my own answer as soon as that window opens so I can get a new shiny

user728672

precius my precious

user728672

oh wait. no delay in self answer.. yhmmm

user728672

Answer the post Wolf.

user728672

Okay.

Wolf

16:39

well i have no idea about your question

user728672

Trying to give ya an ego boost. Read the comments and formulate one.

user728672

See my bio. the simplest questions need the longest answers.

user728672

sdc vodka and water

user728672

okay well then.

user728672

thanks again yall.

Wolf

16:44

your question is a bit confusing

Mithical

23 hours ago, by SmokeDetector

Please don't play with me too much; I'm a serious bot meant for detecting spam, not for playing around with! I've got some fun features, but please be careful not to abuse them.

user728672

@wolf are you using the new editor?

user728672

i was just curois if smokey had more then coffee to offer

Wolf

17:39

@GWarner i don't know

Kevin B

$($)

Rob

19:55

@GWarner It is Zeus:

user728672

@Rob what is zeus

Rob

user728672

oh.. lol

Rob

22:01

@Ollie, you got zapped; I voted to undelete.

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