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Rob

12:42 AM

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Journeyman Geek

2:41 AM

@Magisch The intent isn't up for discussion. The actual implementation is

And tbh, as problems invariably crop up - we're going to have to work at fixing them

Monica Cellio

4:04 AM

@Magisch if the policy were "don't (knowingly) do a wrong thing" there wouldn't have been a debate. The problem arose when Sara's policy mandated taking positive action. Or seems to; I tried to get a clarification on that but Sara wasn't answering questions.

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Journeyman Geek

Hi @MonicaCellio

user1306322

4:56 AM

I thought they finally fixed icon sizes on HNQ but no, I've just been using my userscript from several years all along

@Oded I was talking about minor fixes like this which take years for some reason, while only existing on a couple pages across the entire network, not something that touches each of the 150+ sites separately

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

6:12 AM

@user1306322 There is the SOUP patch, which attempts to compile such minor bug fixes into a single user script

Magisch

morning

Journeyman Geek

hi

202324

hya

rene

Where is the fire?

Journeyman Geek

sigh

rene

6:18 AM

Oh, it is no longer burning? Great!

Journeyman Geek

@rene IDK - we heard a lot of good tghings, we're fixing a few things but...

I donno man

rene

Hmm @Shadow for a moment I thought you had a Sinterklaas mijter as avatar ....

Shadow

Sinter what?

lol

202324

just found Amy Rose

Shadow

Nah it's hourglass... time is running out...

But just put it to match my status of "Waiting".

oh hey I can use a gif!

rene

6:26 AM

@Shadow animated?

Shadow

Yup

Let's see if it's still working

rene

lol

Shadow

oh no it's not working :(

meh

Still, better image. ;)

rene

Post a bug report/FR on MSE.

Now that we have animated ads, let's do the same for avatars

Shadow

Actually...

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Q: Animated avatars in user profile and newsletter

First, to make it clear Stack Exchange does not allow animated avatars, the Can I have an animated profile picture? feature request has been declined by SE staff back in 2016. However, as of today, users who upload animated gif as avatar have the animation showing in their profile, e.g. this use...

bug status-completed profile-page profile-picture newsletter

Forgot it got fixed.... lol

Journeyman Geek

6:44 AM

ugh. 1) please don't upvote my answer. I was trying to make a point. 2. Closevote please meta.stackexchange.com/questions/334855/…

Shadow

??

rene

you make a point, you get points. It is that easy.

StephanS

I mean if you want downvotes I have a couple you could borrow

Shadow

@rene CW /cc @Journeyman

Journeyman Geek

@Shadow eh

rene

6:54 AM

that is cheating ....

Shadow

nope

Journeyman Geek

I already abused that loophole once today :/

Shadow

Seriously though, if you post something you can't ask/expect people not to vote it, this way or another.

rene

@StephanS the whole meta mob is happy to share their votes as well ...

Shadow

If you don't want votes, don't post. :)

Journeyman Geek

6:55 AM

@Shadow I can ask. People don't always have to listen ;)

I hope they do though

Shadow

@JourneymanGeek I did just because I'm a good guy.

Magisch

@MonicaCellio no question they horribly bungled your dismissal but the probability is that it won't end up so bad and they severely overreacted or misinterpreted what you said

Shadow

:P

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch I seriously hope so

StephanS

@rene what? meta mob? I have no idea what you're talking about

Journeyman Geek

6:56 AM

The fallout seems pretty bad though

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek From the way it unfolded I can only conclude that people were talking past each other, a lot of misinterpretation and then some hasty and poorly considered action happened

and now they can't really remedy it because it'll look bad for PR

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch I can't disagree

But its essential to heal

StephanS

I've never seen such sustained anger before

Journeyman Geek

and to fix a lot of damage

Magisch

Coming out into the public press with "we fired this moderator for transphobia" or a statement substantially like it doesn't leave you wiggle room to backtrack. They burned the bridge, demolished it, and then salted the earth it was standing on

Journeyman Geek

6:59 AM

@Magisch sigh

not her fault.

Magisch

you have to backtrack either entirely or not at all

@JourneymanGeek never said it was

Journeyman Geek

Not saying you did

StephanS

anyone see the Joker yet? if so any reviews?

Shadow

Didn't see

StephanS

Idk if I want to spend the money on it, I'm not even sure the last time I saw a movie in the theatre

Shadow

7:12 AM

I go only to Marvel movies in recent years.

Marvel is safe bet for your money. To this day, I was never disappointed, and even started to expect a lot, which I usually don't do.

user58

I heard it was psychologically dark without a lot of action.

StephanS

yeah Marvel movies are good. I read somewhere that the human brain can tell what is CGI because it doesn't move the same way people do. I thought that was pretty interesting.

Shadow

@StephanS CGI where? In the Joker?

StephanS

No, in Marvel movies

I think this is it livescience.com/16600-cgi-humans-creepy-scientists.html

Shadow

@StephanS hmm... they don't use CGI for characters.... or do they?? If they do kudos for them.

Journeyman Geek

7:25 AM

@Shadow some action sequences are

even with humans

M.A.R.

@Shadow ur face is CGI

Shadow

Though now I'll check if the Titan is CGI or actor

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch CG though using mo-cap rather than 'traditional' hand done CG

M.A.R.

@Shadow A mixture of both

Journeyman Geek

and by hand done, I mean using computers run by humans ;p

Shadow

7:26 AM

> It's hard to recognize him under all that makeup, but Thanos is played by veteran actor Josh Brolin

M.A.R.

It's pretty complicated, so I rather think it's what becomes of Moss in No CGI for Old Men

Journeyman Geek

VFX Highlight | Marvel's Thanos CGI by Luma Pictures

►

StephanS

Thanos is totally CGI

M.A.R.

ur CGI

Journeyman Geek

So...

I'm no expert but

StephanS

7:27 AM

@M.A.R. oh no

Journeyman Geek

basically there's 4 elements, super roughly to CG

StephanS

how did you know

M.A.R.

I an expert but

Journeyman Geek

@StephanS I used to work in CG kinda

M.A.R.

Unlike Journey

Journeyman Geek

7:28 AM

even have a credit in a Marvel Movie ;p

Shadow

@StephanS no. I've seen movies where the characters are 100% CGI, they're crap indeed.

Marvel did awesome job with using it just to enhance the human actors.

M.A.R.

Robert Pattinson

Journeyman Geek

@Shadow so.. someone made a model, someone added rigging, then they had josh brolin act with a bunch of dots and used that to control the rigging that moved the model

then composited that into the scene

Shadow

And?

M.A.R.

@JourneymanGeek AFAIK that's outdated?

Shadow

7:29 AM

If the end result is good, I'm fine with that.

M.A.R.

And grabbed lunch

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. a lot of the work is still rediciculously manual

Shadow

@M.A.R. dated who?

StephanS

they should make a movie telling a story about toys

and then repeat that 4 times

Shadow

What toys? :P

M.A.R.

7:30 AM

@Shadow Dated Out

Shadow

@M.A.R.'s toys?

@M.A.R. who's Out?

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. in my day, a good chunk of the employees literally went scene by scene and drew out "This is the wall, this is the floor..."

M.A.R.

@Shadow Slap Out

Journeyman Geek

there's a term for it that's escaping me

M.A.R.

Slapout

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discussion behavior be-nice-policy code-of-conduct

@Shadow Do I look like an Andy to you

58 looks like an Andy.

Which I haven't figured out yet if it's a boy or a girl's name.

Journeyman Geek

7:32 AM

No they don't

M.A.R.

It could be a man's name too but mostly boys.

Shadow

@M.A.R. no, this!

Tin Tin Out

Tin Tin Out were an English electronic music duo comprising Darren Stokes and Lindsay Edwards. They remixed songs for artists such as The Corrs and Des'ree, as well as collaborating with singers such as Shelley Nelson and Emma Bunton to score top ten hits with them. == Career == They are well known as active remixers, working on increasingly higher-profile songs as the 1990s progressed, however also have their own recording careers. They debuted with their 1995 cover "Always (Something There to Remind Me)". It peaked at #14 on the UK Singles Chart and #1 on the UK Dance Singles Chart. The single...

Journeyman Geek

Though there's Andi Mcdowell....

and some people spell differentlike

Shadow

@M.A.R. boy

M.A.R.

I bet there are Andu, Ando, Andou (for Brits), and Andyi. Probably Indian

Shadow

7:33 AM

Sandy for girl, Andy for boy

:D

Journeyman Geek

Also @user58 looks like a @user58 ;p

M.A.R.

Dandy for . . . lion.

StephanS

@Shadow that's illegal

M.A.R.

Dandy lion.

Shadow

@StephanS prove

M.A.R.

7:34 AM

@JourneymanGeek That is so 58 of them

Journeyman Geek

Yeah, the cloning machine got a little stuck

M.A.R.

@Shadow proving is illegal

Shadow

@M.A.R. prove that one too

:D

M.A.R.

I can't prove the law

Here, Journey, you prove it.

StephanS

@Shadow one, too, tree

Journeyman Geek

7:36 AM

@M.A.R. cognito canis sum.

Shadow

@StephanS for, fiv, sux?

StephanS

lol

@JourneymanGeek no no, no more Latin

Shadow

@JourneymanGeek CCS... twin of CSS..... :D

M.A.R.

@JourneymanGeek no ur a canis sum.

And it's cogito.

They stole it from Japanese.

Journeyman Geek

DOMO ARIGATO MR M.A.RATO!

Shadow

7:39 AM

DIM SUM!

M.A.R.

@Shadow That's offensive to sum.

Shadow

@M.A.R. you Dim

Journeyman Geek

Now I want a snack

StephanS

so what exactly does the smokeDetector do?

Magisch

it reports spam

Shadow

7:45 AM

@Magisch and serves drinks

!!/coffee Stephan

SmokeDetector

@Shadow brews a cup of Ristretto for @Stephan

StephanS

oh it's like caprica six interface

Magisch

Its primary mission is to report spam

StephanS

!!/listcommands

SmokeDetector

@StephanS No such command 'listcommands'.

Shadow

7:46 AM

@StephanS nah, it's 90% spam hunting, 10% fun

!!/help

SmokeDetector

@Shadow I'm SmokeDetector a bot that detects spam and offensive posts on the network and posts alerts to chat. A command list is available here.

Shadow

^

Magisch

spam that does not get actioned within 5(10?) minutes or flagged as a false positive gets reported here. The rest just gets reported in charcoal HQ or at the appropriate site-specific rooms

StephanS

interesting

Shadow

@StephanS if you want interesting bots, come to Den

Magisch

7:47 AM

It scans every post on the network

StephanS

who hosts it's

Shadow

a server

;)

@StephanS several users

Journeyman Geek

@StephanS it?

Shadow

It has several instances

!!/location

SmokeDetector

@Shadow teward/Supergate

Journeyman Geek

7:50 AM

@StephanS Smoke Detector is a community project

Shadow

So Smokey instance here is hosted on a server owned by user named teward. @Stephan

Journeyman Geek

Actually has several moving bits

Magisch

The chatbot itself is hosted by different people, Metasmoke (the webinterface and backend database) is hosted by Undo and ArtOfCode iirc, and the code and blacklists are on github

StephanS

that's pretty cool

Shadow

Think Undo gives the actual host, yeah.

Magisch

7:52 AM

the website charcoal-se.org is hosted by ArtOfCode with its code also being on github

StephanS

I have acouple of servers and those things are expensive to run (energy cost).

Magisch

the userscripts charcoal users utilize to flag more easily are also on github

user58

A bunch of the people who are running these bots on their servers already had a server running for one reason or another. Or are abusing work machines *cough* Thomas *cough* :P

StephanS

lol

Journeyman Geek

lol

Magisch

7:54 AM

It's a complicated web of people and things by now

StephanS

does anyone use firebase?

I'm looking at other server services because I'm really not a fan of Google but it seems like they have the best prices I can find

John Dvorak

What kind of web content to you intend to publish? Maybe running it on a random laptop that's always connected to the Internet will suffice.

StephanS

it's an android / iOS app

John Dvorak

How big of a server does it need?

Shadow

@JohnDvorak Smokey? I'd imagine quite big

John Dvorak

8:06 AM

Ah, smokey. FWIR, Smokey's requirements are next to nothing.

StephanS

probably 100gb

I think google charges 5$/1gb in their (pay-as-you-go plan)

I could do it with one of my servers but the problem is the way I have the cooling system setup it won't make sense to just run one

user1306322

has anyone had success running a bot on a custom firmware router?

John Dvorak

I barely use my hard drive, so I'd be willing to share with Charcoal.

user1306322

or maybe it would be easier to use some arduino

I had a bot version which ran on a windows mobile 6.1 device for a few weeks but the device liked to lose connectivity for a couple seconds too often which caused an annoying delay

StephanS

@TimStone your profile image is so cool

Journeyman Geek

8:15 AM

eh

user1306322

yea it's like you're wiping your face with my avatar lol

Journeyman Geek

in this day and age... raspis are probably the thing that folks run random things on

John Dvorak

The words "windows mobile" give me a mild PTSD

user1306322

my work still supports some POS (point of sale, not what you think) winmo 5 devices

Journeyman Geek

@user1306322 why not both?

user1306322

8:25 AM

I was gonna quickly look up alternative acronyms but this site abbreviations.yourdictionary.com/search is a total point of sale at finding any for "pos"

for some reason it was the first google result for "acronym" and it doesn't seem to be mainly about acronyms

user1306322

8:45 AM

I like the idea of recycling old unneeded devices with internet support to use as low power, low performance servers, like old iphones/ipods or random non-apple media players

one problem with them is they're usually not designed to run without a battery connected like laptops, and their batteries tend to engorge and lose capacity to the point they don't run at all

and limited programmability

Journeyman Geek

So, basically they are unfit for purpose ;p

John Dvorak

I'd just stuff it on my main lap-desktop.

user1306322

9:05 AM

daptop

just put your atx tower on your lap, instant daptop

John Dvorak

I mean lesktop, not daptop

user1306322

what about a lettop

or is it a letdown?

Bart

9:20 AM

It seems this place is somewhat back to its usual nonsense ... good.

Magisch

here's hoping

it seems like every storm lasts longer then the last...

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user1306322

talking about storms, in other news, blizzard did an oopsie, as well as a number of other high profile organizations

Journeyman Geek

Wait...

Magisch

@user1306322 I got rid of my WoW subscription in response

Journeyman Geek

9:27 AM

another one?

Magisch

the hong kong thing

user1306322

yea I kinda already disliked them for how they handled legacy diablo 2 license holders

Journeyman Geek

Oh ok

Magisch

where they fired and confiscated a player's prize money, banned him from any tournaments for a year, and fired and blacklisted both stream casters for allowing him to speak in support of hong kong, and then issued an apology to china

in the apology to china saying something like "we will always defend the pride of the nation at any cost"

Journeyman Geek

Yeah, that's the one I know of

some... interesting side effects there

user1306322

9:29 AM

and what they did with diablo 3, how they've been pushing the "no, this is what you like now" marketing despite users clearly showing how 1/2 and 3 are not designed in the same artistic spirit, it left a sour taste

Journeyman Geek

eh

Magisch

This too is a case of leaving yourself no wiggle room

Journeyman Geek

I like my single player games not lagging

Magisch

if they backtrack now china will have to respond punitatively to set a precedent

202324

@user1306322 aye there's no amend but there's a a reparation path here they are not walking

Journeyman Geek

9:30 AM

@Magisch more or less

Bart

@user1306322 not just that, in response to people getting rid of accounts it seems they disabled all easy ways of doing that.

user1306322

which is illegal in EU btw

Bart

Yup, not smart.

user1306322

but it's not like it's gonna cost them enough to make them reconsider this behavior

afaik the only class action suit which hurt anyone significantly was the most recent google's one where everyone get a substantial compensation around 400 usd

usually it's below 30 bucks per qualifying customer

and it was for something that lasted years, I think it was about collecting user data since 2011 and it was on iphones, so a very significant number of people across the globe, so compared to the userbase of the battle.net the math doesn't seem so scary

Bart

If a lawsuit will ever happen to begin with. And of course Epic is playing the "good guy" card again being the opportunistic people they are.

Magisch

9:38 AM

I won't let their launcher onto my pc

I dislike epic intensely for their exclusives policy

Bart

I don't get the whole hate for exclusives to be honest.

None of the games I worked on would have happened at all if it wasn't for exclusives.

Journeyman Geek

I installed epic game store for BL3 ;p

but the freebies are nice too

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Magisch

@Bart I dislike the concept. It should have been outlawed a long time ago

exclusivity deals, that is

What epic is doing is cartel behavior and should be sanctioned as such

user1306322

@Bart they already stated that they are all pro opinions

doesn't fix the anticompetitive monopolistic practices of exclusive buyouts from steam and other platforms

Magisch

9:43 AM

Microsoft was sentenced to pay a massive fine for pre-installing internet explorer on windows pcs once. A similar force is necessary to deter monopolistic behavior from epic

or just fine them out of business, also fine by me

user1306322

I'm waiting for bl3 to get fixed for performance bugs first and foremost, then for the dlcs without which borderlands games are usually feeling quite incomplete and lacking in content, and then for the eventual removal of denuvo to disable the keyboard and mouse hooks

and of course not on that epic launcher, I've already got steam and my library, I want to keep it all in one place

not to mention (but to mention) the issue where I've received a scary number of emails about blocked login attempts from random countries and got locked out of logging in myself too many times in the past due to login temp limit

that was in 2017 when I tried out fortnite, maybe that changed since then, but I don't care to find out

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Bart

Perhaps not a discussion to have, but many of those exclusives (and Epic is not the only one having exclusives) are what keeps the studios behind them afloat, with some only avoiding the usual post-release lay offs because of the up-front money. Would I like to not have multiple accounts and launcher and what not, sure. But that's a minor inconvenience.

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9:59 AM

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user1306322

10:19 AM

personally I don't mind the timed exclusives at all, what I dislike is permanent exclusives (like I'd like to play Bloodborne but I don't have a ps4 and it's not worth buying one just for this one game) and the couple cases where games were initially released or promised to be released on steam or gog but then were bought out by epic, and I don't think it's a controversial point of view

I don't think it's realistic to expect Bloodborne or Demon Souls to come to pc by way of official porting though

guess we'll have to wait some more years for emulators to catch up

I wanna play dat Cadence of Hyrule but I don't own a sweech :<

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10:48 AM

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Journeyman Geek

→ 43 messages moved to Chimney

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Shadow

Smokey posting right after room cleanup reminds me of babies messing their diaper right after changing it. :D

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user194636

11:20 AM

Smoke Detected.

Shadow

Fire Started

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Bart

11:34 AM