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Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

12:01 AM

@M.A.R. I'd put it on Meta.SE as it's also applicable to other sites

Posting on Meta.SO kind of shuts out users of other sites from reading it.

M.A.R.

12:22 AM

Hmm, I don't get it. Link sharing is set to view, not even comment or edit now.

Either way, I have another saved draft, not really worried about Taverners playing a prank.

. . . Ugh, why did Google give me the edit link then . . .

Whatever.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@M.A.R. It allowed me to suggest edits (but I didn't)

A GH gist is better for this purpose, since it uses Markdown and allows others to make forks that can later be merged if approved

Aibobot

12:48 AM

@M.A.R. eh, we? Play pranks?

410

2:20 AM

@410 Coincidentally, today is the 10th anniversary of his death.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

3:52 AM

Old gem of my old account: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/198800/…

410

5:15 AM

The Atlantic Ocean is big.

Meta Andrew T.

The Pacific Ocean is also big.

John Dvorak

5:39 AM

More ships have been lost in the Atlantic than in the Pacific

... and an entire shipment of tea

Aibobot

6:04 AM

Technically it was less lost than... brewed inappropriately

John Dvorak

also, way too salty

Aibobot

I'm sure however, the boston pasta party went better

John Dvorak

That, too, was seriously undercooked though.

I've heard there's some plans a-brewing to fix that though.

Meta Andrew T.

6:33 AM

I just realized I can retract comment flag(!). Or was it already possible long before?

Aibobot

Oh

Its newish

Not sure if its documented officially anywhere but I heard about it

Meta Andrew T.

I take this time to appreciate the work of SE devs!

rene

@JourneymanGeek first things first ...

Journeyman Geek

6:52 AM

@rene eh. swapping to a standard dialect of commonmark's a pretty major quality of life thing + would make things easier. Also, it would be a fairly major bit of development that is very visible , which isn't a bad thing

that said, I think there's no great reason to bring it up till the move to .net core happens

rene

As both Jeff and balpha invested time in Common Mark I assume they both saw the value to have a standard to work from. Its planning and implementation went Jeff style, 6 to 8 weeks is all it takes ;)

Aibobot

@rene Both of whom are no longer here, and I suspect Jeff uses commonmark in discourse

Sometimes its easier to build from scratch than to change things that folks are used to, even if its better?

Meta Andrew T.

Now we have... 6-8 Markdown standards?

Aibobot

Fortunately, the charging one has been solved now that we've all standardized on mini-USB. Or is it micro-USB? Shit.

Meta Andrew T.

I guess it's alright for the name: SixToEightMarkdown

M.A.R.

7:29 AM

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Suggest, or apply without any approval?

@Aibobot Oh no no no no I know you're very innocent

ಠ_ಠ

rene

@MetaAndrewT. they did had a serious name clash over the standard so it could certainly have ended up with that name ...

M.A.R.

8:48 AM

Cleanup on aisle comments

Doggy get to work

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

aisle? like missile?

@MetaAndrewT. one month ago

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A: Make it possible to retract comment flags

Happy to announce that ability to retract a comment flag is now live network-wide. If you can flag a comment, then you can retract that flag. It works in a similar way to post flag retractions - click on the activated flag, and confirm in the resulting modal that you would like to retract the fl...

@MetaAndrewT. think it's all @Megan's doing. :)

(not personally, she tells the devs what to fix/add)

Aibobot

9:32 AM

@M.A.R. flag plz

I'll remote home and take a look

Tinkeringbell

@Aibobot I already cleared them ;)

Journeyman Geek

boo ;p

Tinkeringbell

Hey, for once I'm faster than you. Let me enjoy that in peace! :D

M.A.R.

9:56 AM

I just might do a bunch of comment flags on posts I'm gonna refer to later

Tinkeringbell

Sure...

Journeyman Geek

TInk's got the upperhand until I get home lol

+ I'd likely be playing bl3

though, this set up is a bit better than what I was doing before

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Hey, the flower has been quite busy today too ;)

M.A.R.

Beautiful Lamppost 3?

Love that game.

Journeyman Geek

borderlands 3 ;p

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

10:22 AM

@Tinkeringbell not a fair fight, you can fly.... :D

@JourneymanGeek played 1 and 2 with IRL friends years ago... we made kind of small LAN parties. (we were 3-5 friends each time)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheDragonWizard its a great game for co-op

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

We played Border Lands, Never Winter Nights, and some less known Indie games.

@JourneymanGeek totally

I was always the tank

Journeyman Geek

lol

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

Running forwards and kills anything that moves :D

(or usually being killed quickly ;))

Journeyman Geek

I'm either that or the sniper

my current build is a bit of both

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

10:25 AM

Sniper is cool, yeah

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheDragonWizard life regen stuff turns you into a bulletsponge ;p

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

My name was ZOAH for years :D

Journeyman Geek

Right now I'm doing a scoped rifle/sniper rifle/handgun build

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

@JourneymanGeek wish I had that, lol

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheDragonWizard I tend to build around that

also transfusion grenades

and longbow transfusion granades

for when you need to reach out ans suck the life out of someone ALLL the way over there

(its in all 3 games. I don't want to spoil the new guns/brand specials)

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

11:22 AM

@JourneymanGeek I never got along with grenades

Not only in BL

Not only in gaming

(i.e. in army too ;))

I just don't like something you throw with your hand and it goes boom :P

Mithrandir

:|

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheDragonWizard ahh, but longbows teleport

So they are basically sniper grenades

so basically they teleport, track your enemies and restore life

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

Too complicated for a tank :D

M.A.R.

Yeah I thought tanks only exist to be bashed by Hulk.

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

@M.A.R. or use Funky Bomb

John Dvorak

11:37 AM

Max damage + bouncy walls + open ceiling + death's head. Accept no substitute.

Mithrandir

@M.A.R. I've been through tank firing ranges by accident.

M.A.R.

They can't touch you anyway

You're the master of firearm . . . works

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

@JohnDvorak death toll: 100%

@Mithrandir don't live near tank fire ranges then :D

Mithrandir

Kinda hard to avoid in the Golan

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

Exactly

lol

I had dozens of training days there

Mithrandir

11:45 AM

I prefer the tank ranges over the bustle of a large city, any day

M.A.R.

@ShadowTheDragonWizard Sounds yummy

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

@M.A.R. how so?

Lots of corn and tuna fish

(from cans)

M.A.R.

Well you say you had dozens

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

?

Mithrandir

There are dozens of us! DOZENS!

M.A.R.

11:47 AM

Alright, Taverners assemble

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

M.A.R.

I need a couple of examples from people who were frustrated that if SE doesn't cover their opinionated questions, nowhere else will

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

Meaning in simple words? ^

M.A.R.

And that we should be just one thing and good at it rather than several things and doing a mediocre job

I have used some search strings but to no avail, but it seems the right way to tackle "why u no accept question" questions problem . . . thing on meta is this

rene

12:57 PM

> I really hope you're not planning on doing this every Sunday!

Don't worry I can do this on other days as well.

Tinkeringbell

Great :D

Thursdays work better for me :P

rene

noted ...

Tinkeringbell

What made you go raise that many comment flags anyways? Bored?

Mithrandir

Sometimes, you just need to go out and unleash your rage on a bunch of comments....

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

@rene hmm?

@Tinkeringbell doesn't @rene have a script for flagging comments?

Tinkeringbell

1:05 PM

I dunno...

rene

1:15 PM

I'm done.

for today

See you on Thursday ;)

Tinkeringbell

See ya! ;)

410

1:31 PM

@Olivia but stack overflow is a trillian dollar company like Apple, Microsoft, Google. They probably dont need ads to make revenue as its already high. — Pratik 21 secs ago

Confirmed: Trillian Astra is the new CEO.

Tinkeringbell

who?

410

A slim, darkish humanoid, with long waves of black hair, a full mouth, an odd little knob of a nose and ridiculously brown eye.

Tinkeringbell

Doesn't really ring a bell... I guess I should brush up on my knowledge of CEOs

Journeyman Geek

1:55 PM

@Tinkeringbell she's from H2G2

Tinkeringbell

Doesn't ring a bell either.

John Dvorak

By H2G2, do you mean HHGTTG?

Stormblessed

2:18 PM

meta.stackexchange.com/q/331975/399694

I think we should undelete this for the sake of our descendants :P

Ugh Data results with too many answers load forever

Journeyman Geek

2:31 PM

@JohnDvorak yes

@Stormblessed uhm. Lets do that in 2101

Since I doubt I will be a mod then, kindly remind my replacement's replacement's replacements....

rene

will do ...

Meta Andrew T.

Been a while going outside on the weekend for real...

@ShadowTheDragonWizard ah, good, kind of surprised when I clicked on my pending flag, now 1000% supercharged with showing the comment flag dialog again...

Danilo

2:58 PM

Hi guys :D !//coffee

What would be in your opinion quantitatives of positive and negative reinforcements that could be measured on SEDE that affect users?

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

@Danilo command must be the only text

!!/coffee Dan

SmokeDetector

@ShadowTheDragonWizard brews a cup of Ristretto for @Dan

Danilo

tnx , i need some coffee :D

!!/ Sha

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

!!/tea Dan and Dani

SmokeDetector

@ShadowTheDragonWizard brews a cup of earl grey tea for @Dan

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

3:02 PM

heh

Danilo

!!/tea Sha :D

SmokeDetector

@Danilo brews a cup of chamomile tea for @Sha

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

Yay! Mutual tea!

Danilo

owww... it worked even with the smiley :D

Journeyman Geek

@MetaAndrewT. are y'all having the haze?

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

3:03 PM

@Danilo sure it just ignores whatever after the space.... ;)

Danilo

ofcourse... what is the point in drinking if you are doing it alone?

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

@Danilo faster :D

During army we shared even the toilets though. :D

Meta Andrew T.

@JourneymanGeek not so, or already used to it...

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

@Journeyman haze as in dirty fog due to industry?

Meta Andrew T.

certainly not that hazy in Jakarta, though I probably can imagine hazy Singapore (I experienced that in 2013)

Journeyman Geek

3:05 PM

@ShadowTheDragonWizard forest fires

Meta Andrew T.

2013 Southeast Asian haze

The 2013 Southeast Asian haze was a haze crisis that affected several countries in Southeast Asia, including Brunei, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore and Southern Thailand, mainly during June and July 2013. The haze period was caused by large-scale burning in many parts of Sumatra and Borneo. Satellite imagery from NASA's Terra and Aqua satellites showed that the haze was mainly due to smoke from fires burning in Riau province, Indonesia.The 2013 Southeast Asian haze was notable for causing record high levels of pollution in Singapore and several parts of Malaysia. The 3-hour Pollution Standards...

Danilo

@Sha sure, faster.. but less fun, and not enjoying the little moments in time. Honestly i don't think sharing a toilet is so bad.

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

@JourneymanGeek ouch... as in Brazil? :(

Journeyman Geek

No

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

I took part in trying to fight forest fire once. It was small forest, and big fire.

Of course it failed.

Meta Andrew T.

3:07 PM

@ShadowTheDragonWizard as in Singapore's neighbor, Indonesia...

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

@MetaAndrewT. why forests got burned?

In Brazil it's due to government and money.

Danilo

@JourneymanGeek i don't know what it is with humans and fires. Some wild fires capture most of southeast Asia, and that guy who decided to "go out" and set fire to some forest

Meta Andrew T.

@ShadowTheDragonWizard not that different I guess, to open new business, they need land, but there's only forest, so...

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheDragonWizard big industrial farming

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

@Danilo never said it's bad! It surely helps to pass the time. :)

@MetaAndrewT. oh.... so it's money. Makes perfect sense.

Well here most fires in recent years are due to terror, so...

Journeyman Geek

3:09 PM

@ShadowTheDragonWizard lemme put it this way

I walked my dog at half past 5 in the morning (He REALLY had ta go)...

and the moon looked like a cookie

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

eating @Journeyman's moon

Meta Andrew T.

or, you went outside and breathed, it smelled like burned charcoal

Journeyman Geek

yeah

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

So you put breathing masks?

Meta Andrew T.

I only went with flu mask...

John Dvorak

3:21 PM

Supposedly you can fold a bra in half to achieve the same result

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

@MetaAndrewT. found you!

:P

@JohnDvorak people looking at you in a weird way? Sure!

John Dvorak

as a dust filter, I mean

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

lol

Tinkeringbell

@JohnDvorak I wouldn't recommend any lacy ones though.

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

Also better use a fresh clean bra.... :D

John Dvorak

3:30 PM

It's still partial cover, isn't it? I should at least get advantage against poison damage rolls.

(and no constitution hit, because it doesn't restrict my breathing, unlike a full mask)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheDragonWizard in theory

folks don't usually have them when they need it

John Dvorak

hence the bra.

Meta Andrew T.

oh, i see, brackets...

410

6:38 PM

@410 Come to think of it, this may indeed be the appearance of the next CEO of Stack Overflow.

I imagine some board members preferring a SEA woman for the role.

Tinkeringbell

What's the goal of this conversation?

M.A.R.

Tuna fish.

Tinkeringbell

I don't really like tuna :/

M.A.R.

Always an appropriately adjusted conversational sub I mean dinner

@Tinkeringbell Don't blame you, has more salt than Dead sea

BUT

Tinkeringbell

Hmmm. I had a hamburger for dinner. If we're talking fish though, I like smoked salmon best, then raw herring XD

M.A.R.

6:49 PM

It helps alleviate one of my main drug's serious side effects

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R. Ah... yeah, perhaps if food actually did something like that, I might look upon it more fondly ;)

M.A.R.

Don't look at me. If they put salmons in cans here, I would have floated towards fish like Tom and Jerry

Tinkeringbell

Canned salmon? :/ Yuk.

I don't really like any canned fish, for that matter.

M.A.R.

Better than the canned cardboard I'm having

I enjoy it since I was banned from even smelling fish for two years

Tinkeringbell

Then go prepare some fresh cardboard next time, instead of eating the canned version?

@M.A.R. o.0

M.A.R.

6:52 PM

Way ahead of you sorts high school books

Tinkeringbell

Enjoy ;) I'll be back soon :)

M.A.R.

Ta

Bit tired of the mega post for now

23k chars.

But it's roughly eighty percent done

Meta Andrew T.

~~Gentle~~ Aggresive reminder of 30k char limits!!1!!!!!!111!oneone

M.A.R.

Yeah I'm already aware of that

There's also gonna be some referencing inside the answer itself to make it look more coherent and interconnected

Really tedious work

> Pages 11
Words 3827
Characters 23352
Characters excluding spaces 19771

Kill me now

Meta Andrew T.

Meta Andrew T. kills M.A.R. around a bit with a large trout

M.A.R.

7:06 PM

It's super effective

Tinkeringbell

@MetaAndrewT. Ey! No killing each other in this chat, please :)

Mithrandir

...at least make it more entertaining, if you do.

rene

Monty Python - The Fish Slapping Dance

►

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

8:01 PM

@JourneymanGeek Out of curiosity, why bindingly review this as Leave Open? The other post now clarifies that it's all now licensed under 4.0.

Journeyman Geek

10:21 PM

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog not really just me though

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

Yeah, there was one other; it would only be "non-binding" if there were two others

Journeyman Geek

2 others

Ok one other

And simply? I disagree with the closure on that case

That should be obvious

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

So, why do you disagree?

Journeyman Geek

Uhm

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

Did you feel it would be better served as an answer?

Journeyman Geek

10:26 PM

Cause I think it's a useful question to have? And being a mod should not disqualify me from reviewing just because my vote is binding

Soooo practically? It looked like the correct option at the time I reviewed it

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Not saying that it's disqualifying. It's just that most of the time, mods tend to refrain from making a binding review unless two others have already reviewed the same way. I assumed you were also following that methodology, and I thought there was some other special reason why you chose not to go with it that time.

Journeyman Geek

Uhm

So...

We have had this talk before

Spending 20 to 30 minutes explaining what's a 5 to 180 second decision is tiring

Its not a good use of my time

I'm not fedrico or even one of the other mods here

I make decisions off my own judgement.

Honestly it's one of those behaviors that makes chat less pleasant for others

Stop second guessing people please

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

When I ask such questions, I always think, "if someone did this to me, would I be OK with it?" And if the answer is "yes", I do it. But I always forget to consider the fact that my "OK" thresholds aren't necessarily the same as others'.

Journeyman Geek

You always do

And the broader idea of 'people don't always want or need to explain every decision to you'

I see the question is on 4 closevotes? That's the system politely overruling my decision

So the binding review as you put it is less binding than you would think

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

10:46 PM

@JourneymanGeek Well, ideally it would be two Leave Open reviews while it stays in the queue, only to be dequeued on closure or one more person saying Leave Open

But that's true

I don't know, I just have my opinions. For instance, I believe that mods shouldn't treat their binding powers as if they were just normal votes and carefully consider if they really want to make a binding vote.

My initial question was prompted by my assuming you were following that, and choosing to make a binding review after consideration. So I asked you why you did, to see what the special reason was for opting to do that.

ArtOfCode

attempting to apply a blanket policy of How Things Work to everything does not

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog that's just your opinion man

And you literally mean that we shouldn't review then

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

Well, no. All I was saying was that it just boiled down to a difference in opinion in the end.

And then I was just explaining why I decided to ask.

Sorry if that came across as "you're wrong, I'm right". That was not my intention.

Journeyman Geek

My behavior is simple. I have lots of stuff I need to do. I make the best decision I can make based off the information I have, trusting that the community will take up the slack if I'm wrong

So I can move on to the next thing

Makyen

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Why do you feel this is spam or rude/abusive?

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

11:01 PM

@Makyen The link was completely unrelated to the subject of the question or what they were talking about.

Makyen

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog I'll certainly grant that. Did there appear to be any association between the user and the linked site?

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@Makyen Not apparently. (The account was just nuked so I can't check to see if it was in their bio.)

Journeyman Geek

I thought it was spammy D:

Makyen

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Not that I see (still have it open in a tab). I definitely agree that it's spammy. It was probably spam. I was mainly wondering if there were indications beyond just that it wasn't related to the question. Mostly, because it looks like a "I like your post. Check [this one] out" type of wording, but not something we're currently detecting.

Journeyman Geek

@Makyen the beauty of it is... Its so generic

Makyen

11:07 PM

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, that's a significant part of the problem. :-(

Journeyman Geek

@Makyen and , well that's one thing old-school meat is good at ;p

Smokey isn't smart enough to get context - unless y'all blacklisted the domain, and that still needs someone to decide

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek We can watch the domain, which makes a report if it's detected but is a backstop to true blacklisting

Journeyman Geek

Or just flag it

Cause yanno

Humans are better at context

Makyen

@JourneymanGeek Very true. Figuring out that some linked site/page has nothing to do with a question/answer is definitely non-trivial from a programming POV.

Journeyman Geek

11:23 PM

Something I've always said is smokey is useful but human oversight is essential - kinda why I love having RSS feeds of flagged posts on my sites 😁

Journeyman Geek

11:51 PM

Oh god

They put little TV's with ads on our lift landing

I can haz meatspace adblock?

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