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12:04 AM
A: GoP - The Game of Points: Critical Sneak Attacks (Grant downvotes are commented soon)

FreezePhoenixI have the following reactions to your points: Voting is anonymous, and always will be. They don't need to share why, Freedom of Speech goes both ways. The target shouldn't need to defend themselves - the system automatically detects and corrects and reports abnormal voting behaviors. The targe...

12:37 AM
I saw a decline in number of blatantly off-topic questions on MSE in the past few days, is it just because I didn't check as frequently as before?
@EKons cleansing :P
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog oops
@ɪBᴜɢ weekend?
@JourneymanGeek *clap clap clap* nice answer, I've only read half way through it
12:46 AM
@JourneymanGeek maybe
@FreezePhoenix actually - that's a pretty simple trick I use with posts like that.
basically if they have points to address, address the points ;p
Yeah I did it too
@JourneymanGeek Hey I need a referee
+1 nice referee
12:56 AM
18 mins ago, by ɪBᴜɢ
I saw a decline in number of blatantly off-topic questions on MSE in the past few days, is it just because I didn't check as frequently as before?
@ɪBᴜɢ oh I think we have
stats say I deleted about 30 this week and I only did 1-2 a day the past few ;)
that sounds supportive
I closed a question, then somehow reopened it instead of deleting it...
then reclosed and delted.
I think at peak time we get up to 30 OT a day
@ɪBᴜɢ I'd guess the folks who got "the email" are tapering off
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog read ... about 3 lines up
also - short answer - "oops"
1:00 AM
some day I recall wandering on MSE for 16 hrs, and saw 19 those in total, so I estimate that day there could be ~30
(also lol, I KNEW someone would ask ;) )
@Sonic Do you speak Spanish or did you just use Google Translate?
@ɪBᴜɢ Google Translate (and I translated it back to English to make sure it was accurate)
lol, I remember translating one text back and forth and got hilarious results years ago
1:05 AM
I know some Spanish, if things need translated
@ArtOfCode Someone posted an off-topic question in Spanish, so I Google translated my canned comment to Spanish before posting it.
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog ¿Por que?
@FreezePhoenix no lo sé, tal vez porque es conveniente
@ɪBᴜɢ ¡No son conveniente! (It is not convenient!)
1:08 AM
... english please!
@FreezePhoenix dije "tal vez" (I said "maybe")
english ok lor!
ugh. I have a few things I need to do but I'm putting off cause I've had generally poor luck with it and feels thankless, and something I want to do before I go to india but can't cause I'm waiting on a package
peut-être pouvons dire francais? :P
1:15 AM
I asked nicely
moderator abuse! mimicking new users first encounter moderating actions
Doesn't that mean the moderator is being abused?
@FreezePhoenix depends. English has many ways to interpret :)
@ɪBᴜɢ that's the spray bottle of moderation.... ;p
don't make me get out the super soaker...
which sadly are no longer the lovely rocket scientist designed things of my youth
1:50 AM
Ooh I see somebody has some retaliation going on
No, merely negative reinforcement was used in moderate quantities ;)
I'm referring to the fact that both your answer and mine got downvotes.
And maybe Ward's
I don't really care
/shrug I don't either, it just means I lost my ability to downvote. Lol you wouldn't care it's 2 rep against your 46K
and I got that by not focusing on votes ;)
Just post the best answers you can. Everything else takes care of itself
1:57 AM
This reminded me of old & new users of Stack Overflow, and how the new ones just can't follow instructions.
I'm pretty sure covering anything you arn't going to eat with tomato ketchup is.... not nice...
Sometimes covering things you are going to eat with ketcheup can be too
there's better condiments
2:57 AM
Is information as to what tags are considered "intrinsic" for each site in the SE network considered to be "private information"? I was about to ask a question asking which tags are considered "intrinsic" for all sites, but I found this post, and it says that the info is only available to moderators, not to the public.
I have no idea. Nor have I looked it up before ._.
@Shog9 Would be nice if I got an SE perspective on that.
@JourneymanGeek If you wouldn't mind, could you please check if is indeed an intrinsic tag for SU? I use it as an example in several places and I want to check if it is indeed correct.
it would , or :p
sure. Once I work out where to look ;)
@JourneymanGeek Says so in the post I linked
3:06 AM
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog no
it isn't
@JourneymanGeek Have to get my diagram editor out...but what is intrinsic to SU?
... lots of complicated tag regex blacklists
its a path to madness.
and I'm not sure its fine to share?
@JourneymanGeek Will have to wait for Shog to respond, but for now I'll use the example there of on Graphic Design.
Not much space in the box that mentions it in my flowchart, so I'd prefer to use a site that has a common two-letter abbreviation (e.g. SO, SU, SF, AU, etc.)
3:11 AM
(and honestly - I don't/can't tell the difference between a blacklisted and intristic tag)
@JourneymanGeek Maybe SU has none
untagged for example is blacklisted (everywhere)
but is that intristic?
and the possible intristic tags are in the same format.
I guess we don't
@JourneymanGeek Why isn't blacklisted? It's been recreated after getting removed quite a few times, so I wonder why it's not on the blacklist. Has SE not been paying attention to MSU?
3:14 AM
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog getting something blacklisted is a pain
@JourneymanGeek Monica Cellio says that a good idea to get a site-specific feature implemented is for a moderator there to escalate it to SE via a CM message...has that been done?
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog quite frankly - the CMs are overloaded and we have reasonable ways to deal with it.
so I'd rather not.
If it was self serve, sure
but we have too many tags that needs it
@JourneymanGeek I guess that's why SU prefers to have the community remove tags while SO prefers to have them burninated
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog we have a robust workaround for it ;p
which is sometimes me slowly chipping away at a tag over a lunch break or a long boring shift XD
Also for most part, unless we have a serious emergency, for most part SU can run with very little CM intervention.
We'd probably need one full time dealing with our tag issues XD
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog from what I can tell, sites launch with an intrinsic tag equal to their API parameter
3:25 AM
Also and on Anime & Manga, obviously
I suspect they're used the same way
Its a bit like R/A and spam flags
its the 'same' only different
and on SO
enough trial and error... @_@;
@andmyself though the question is intristic or blacklisted
3:42 AM
just a super duper very wild assumption that if there are no meta discussions about it, then it's probably intrinsic
ugh... there was... in 2009...
Stats are fun
mildly amused that all the top blocks are Microsoft tracking things
4:16 AM
Their pie charts have holes in them... How appropriate.
ha, I didn't clock that one
First thing I saw. :P
@ArtOfCode ._.
I just got that set up on my old old raspi
I need to work out how to get a PI W working in gadget mode
seems like a perfect use for a zero or 0w ;p
5:06 AM
closed within 5 days, doesn't make post reopenable: meta.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/62522
5:49 AM
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog that's... not a reason to reject a valid edit
Q: Reopen Votes queue overrun due to poor approved edits/rep farming

Ian KempRecently the Reopen Votes queue has been overrun with questions that have been closed, then edited by a user who is not the asker after the closure, and their edit has been approved. 95% of the time this happens, this approved edit does nothing to attempt to fix the question's content, but consi...

That's MSO, and still doesn't say reject 'em.
Last paragraph of the sparsely-upvoted seventh answer does not a policy make.
Eh. The right question to me is 'does this edit have value'
As a duplicate, it's an artifact people may find, and copyediting is useful
6:09 AM
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog Um... I'm pretty sure that our reopen queue cup doth not runneth over here on MSE.
@Catija Yeah, I noticed you gave it a binding "Leave Closed" review.
It's OK for people to actually have something to do in the queues... can't get those badges without them.
Only thing in the list... easy to find.
@Catija True, but if alexolut wants to edit the post to make it reopenable, he can't. (Though as he has 250+ rep he can vote to reopen.)
So I guess my argument only applies for posts where the author has less than 250 rep.
If it's a dupe and it's really, really obviously a dupe, probably not a concern, either.
6:29 AM
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog who would have someone with more rep looking it over anyway....
And I suspect S Jade only noticed it cause I edited it to add a additional dupe target....
Why does changing dupe targets bump posts anyway? The only reason I can see is for backward compatibility with older dupe closures where editing dupe targets would involve editing the post (since the notice was edited into the body by the Community user).
What if other people disagree with the new dupe target, @sonic?
@SmokeDetector fp. The question is literally asking for it.
7:15 AM
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog probably cause an edit is an edit
7:26 AM
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog so others will see it, and have chance to review/change in case it's wrong, like any action that affects a question or one of its answers.
8:13 AM
@JourneymanGeek FYI the Trashcan needs to receive some sunlight
errr what?
@JourneymanGeek Otherwise it will ice up
Its the tropics
do you mean the sweepings need chimneys?
@JourneymanGeek No, the Trashcan will freeze out in the cold
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I have no idea why that matters
if its frozen we can unfreeze it if needed
and its mostly a place to dump things we don't want anyway
8:17 AM
@Mithrandir has been keeping the sun out there, though
8:41 AM
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9:11 AM
Dumping @Journey's itses in the Trashcan
9:25 AM
Dumpin' Donuts
10:03 AM
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog why? there are at least three trash cans ATM in meta chat
I try to keep this one active since I created it, but also won't be a crisis if it freeze one day. :)
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer (80): What does the phrase "on the minute" mean? by Apollo 30 on ell.SE
10:25 AM
@SmokeDetector user as another, non-spam contribution. AGF here.
@ShadowWizard and unless you're an RO or mod you won't be moving things...
After years of work, and innumerable conference and symposiums, the translation of the message from the stars was complete. It began as follows: "This is more of a comment than a question..."
"But WTH do you all think you're doing?" :P
10:43 AM
"After years of work - we deciphered the reply "Vote to close, Unclear what you're asking..."
@JourneymanGeek Shouldn't that be 'enciphered'?
Presumably these are plain text thought
Hmm. You're right. But then why decipher a reply, instead of just write/translate it?
Oh on the other end
This is too lazy of a Sunday :P
I'm not following stuff :P
10:50 AM
@Tinkeringbell 'de-' can mean 'en-'
strange. the online dictionaries say they're antonyms
De- can do a lot of things.
What does "denude" mean?
Is it to undo the nudeness, or to enable it?
I didn't even know that was a word :/
Well me neither
I learned it when I learned that de- can do a lot of things
Closing Tink's thought as a duplicate
Also a decompound leaf is not un-compound, it's actually a gathering of compounded leaves
And that'd be the bell. Class dismissed
Hahaha but in the case of de and encrypting, there's a difference ;)
10:55 AM
In that case, the symbol 'de' is understood to mean undo
Yep, and that's the most common use
Basically, don't try to understand how morphemes work. Just use them
They tend to date back to older languages and/or very old words so couple of thousand years basically screws any consistency
Yep, only use words when you know someone can't misinterpret them ;)
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I think there's some words that have switched meaning from positive to negative and vice versa.
And some words that have found entirely different and unrelated meanings
10:59 AM
شوخ in Persian used to mean "filthy and dirty", now it means "a funny, easy going fellow"
کثیف used to mean "dense and thick", now it means "filthy"
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ this is why I randomly guessed last night that "decrement" was the opposite of "increment"
I can't for the love of me think of English thingies right now
@Mithrandir The most common uses you've encountered are de- indicating reversal or subtraction, so I guess it follows naturally
@Tinkeringbell Fathom's meaning is actually pretty fathomable
So is clue
@SmokeDetector F
11:30 AM
The Korean Demilitarized Zone is definitely militarized
12:23 PM
@Tink pretty sure this one is at least the second offense, OP got profile for 3 days which means most likely they also posted off topic question three days ago. (Also, user name rings a bell)
Also.. flags!
I like declining flags :)
@Tinkeringbell :(
Luckily not my own.... ;)
@Tinkeringbell so they waited three days with their OT question. Impressive..... :D
@ShadowWizard Declining flags means there's nothing wrong. That's a good thing! :P
@Tinkeringbell depending what flags.... ;)
@ShadowWizard Or they were trying to solve a Captcha for three days
12:34 PM
@ShadowWizard Ehh, no? Flags are for when something is wrong, so ... declining them means there's nothing wrong!
@Tinkeringbell Or means something else is wrong, not what the flag says is wrong
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ exactly!
That's the one loophole
You got me, you found the vulnerability
I'm going back to crochet ;)
expanding loophole
High five! Fist bump!
12:37 PM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ or means that the mod is wrong ;-)
making it into wormhole
ends up in @M.A.R's room, on his book
@Loong We're not talking about hypotheticals. Only reality
ah, ok
Nothing is real, excepts reality!
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ too late! :P
12:42 PM
-12 for that poorly titled post is kind of an overkill
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, toxic answer detected (166): Can you 3 star a base without destroying a tesla that isn't triggered? by user226213 on gaming.SE
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ no it's not
it's an overkill perhaps for a question that is otherwise good. You mean this one?
Oh, this. I downvoted only because of the crap title. No other reason.
OP did it on purpose, instead of choosing a real title, so... totally deserve all downvotes IMO.
1:12 PM
Hmm, this dupe is a bit ... not applicable SE wide? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/18242/…
Homework policies are site-specific.
@rene I... kinda think that's one case where a newer, general question could/should be asked, and this is closed as a dupe of that
1:39 PM
If the OP would have made only half of the effort that it takes to write a meta complaint to improve the original question.
That one wasn't actually so far out of our homework policy.
I tried to fix it now.
@Loong that's kinda the issue most sites have with homework questions ;p
And it looks like I tried to fix the wrong problem:
@Catija i am not talking about the deleted chemistry question. But as i was going through the physics questions. i found a question good enough.. As it would clear doubts of most new learners regarding the topic or concepts. But god knows why that was answered to a off topic.. — Sreetama ghosh hazra 6 mins ago
1:43 PM
@ShadowWizard Oh that one is just a stupid/not-thought-through suggestion
@ShadowWizard Yeah that one
> Phrases are really important? This is what I can understand. Beginners are really facing problems to uphold their doubts.
If you're talking about your deleted chemistry question, it looks like you were given a link to a guide on how to improve your question. Did something about that guide not help you improve your question? — Catija ♦ 45 mins ago
@Loong Oh it wasn't? Thank God
2:02 PM
Bah, I was gonna answer that
2:33 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer (60): How can I unzip a .tar.gz in one step (using 7-Zip)? by Wendy William on superuser.com
@SmokeDetector k
3:30 PM
Q: Is strict moderating discouraging newer members to add to the community?

miepI'm now on StackExchange for several weeks, having asked few questions and answered some. Now there's something I observed (in worldbuilding, but in other StackExchange-sites too) that moderators are being really strict towards newer members. Don't get me wrong, I'm very thankful for their work. ...

Well, riddle me this: What drove you to the site in the first place?
3:45 PM
Riddle me this: if long-standing members are what makes the site flourish, why does Stack Exchange focus all their efforts towards keeping the new ones?
(apologies for my bad mood)
Riddle me that: What disappoints you from participating in other forum/Q&A sites?
Is this post only naa or r/a: meta.stackexchange.com/a/323012/364003? I am not sure but as a non-native speaker the sentence seems not really to make sense.
other than Stack Exchange? Quora's about opinions rather than facts, and Y/A ... no need for words.
@MEEisJohannGambolputty... I'd validate an R/A flag
I'd vote for one too, but as the r/a flag is more destructive than the naa flag (and is faster declined...) I decided to ask here first
I can see no good intention in that post
3:56 PM
no visible other activities on other SE sites, unless the OP posted the same thing on SO
which we can't see now (as we are no mods)
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@MEEisJohannGambolputty... The sentence doesn't make sense, but it might be a misquoted inspirational quip, the all caps means it's shouting, which is arguably rude, but they are not shouting at the OP but rather suggest that they shout; a confusing nonsense answer. It's safe to say it's NAA, for "rude" it's your flag. It appears that rude (or foolish) is the intention.
@Rob okay, changed my flag to naa. r/a might be declined for being too aggressive
4:13 PM
There exists a chance it would be disputed, it ought not to be "not helpful" but that is possible. Presumably it would be "helpful" and a credit to you. But NAA is reasonably certain to be helpful, and still a credit to your flagging record. --- But I speak from the position of CHQ and not as the Meta Moderator. Generally try to flag as strong as possible, but don't over-flag.
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It depends on the site too, some want precision and some are simply happy to have the flag and figure out what it should have been; and make their own decision. Sometimes there will be an edit made in the grace period which flushes the flags, so getting an additional one (even from a different category) is helpful. The worst is custom Mod flag when clearly you ought to have used a predefined choice; but some Moderators are forgiving on that point too. I'm active on a couple of dozen
sites where it's easy to experience differences and difficult to remember them all. 🤪
Only there not might be a offtopic question
[feature-request] Rename "Questions" to "MapQuests"
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4:35 PM
This post. No big problem, but the title says "lazy homework questions". I am not sure whether this should be changed and I would normally leave it, but the new CoC explicitly calls out "lazy" as a term that should be avoided, even when applied to content. Maybe change it to "effortless"?
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@MEEisJohannGambolputty... I think of it this way... it's not referring to any specific question but it's being used to restrict the sort of homework questions. It's not talking about all if them, just some. If you want to edit it to say low-effort or something like that, feel free... but I don't think we're outright banning specific words like that. "Effortless" generally means easy, not lazy.
> She performed her dance routine effortlessly.
This means she performed so well, it looked easy. It doesn't mean that she performed poorly because she didn't try.
@Catija I would not have suggested this, if there had not been the recent *The CoC eats zombies"-post.
Yeah, sorry, low-effort might be better
@Catija do you know what happened with [this](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/202772/how-to-discourage-lazy-homework-questions-and-their-answers/323012#323012) post? I flagged it as r/a, retracted the flag and flagged as naa. Now the naa flag is helpful and the r/a is disputed. Is this because a mod disputed all red flags?
@MEEisJohannGambolputty... that post was referring to specific types of users as zombies, which I see as being quite different. But something like low-effort has the side benefit of being more accurate, so don't feel bad about editing for that reason.
4:49 PM
@MEEisJohannGambolputty... it's hard to tell on my phone. I'll look later. Probably, though.
@Catija okay, thanks...
Disputing, it's always disputing
@MEEisJohannGambolputty... For God's sake
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Normally, I wouldn't (propose to) change this. Only due to the zombie-post, the explicit call-out in the CoC and the recent bump of this question, I asked for this.
(So I wouldn't search for posts containing possible keywords, etc.)
@Rob your version is probably better.
5:05 PM
Thanks, it clarifies the expectations in the title; politely.
No, I actually kind of object to the whole "lazy" being impolite
There's a middle ground, and something doesn't have to be polite not to be impolite
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ unfortunately the Code of Conduct explicitely calls this out as unacceptable behaviour
If someone is slacking off, and pushing work they're supposed to do onto others, then it's lazy.
Any other label will be noncomperhensive or inaccurate.
We don't have to rip the language of negative connotations to remain in the polite territory
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Don't tell this me, I agree with you that this behaviour is bad, unacceptable and even rude to others. You could though propose a change to the CoC and ask for this to explicit example to be removed/changed. They even stated that it is intended as a changeable document.
Did anyone notice the original question title contained no adjective at all?
5:10 PM
Bloody hell, stop with the pings!
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ noted :P
Yes @M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ :)
at Tinkeringbell No...
I blame @Sha. He's turning here into the Den eventually, then he'd take over
@Tinkeringbell edited within 20 minutes by the op... still pretty original to the post.
@Catija - Edit by me (not MEE...) 17 minutes ago, and when I click the link above I see my version, with no pending edits or notification that my edit is pending any approval. It's quite different from the original or the suggested edit. Refresh your browser?
5:21 PM
@Rob no Catija means that the post was edited 20 mins after posting to change the title
@Catija Sure... I was trying to have a few lightbulbs go on of the 'hey, we don't always need adjectives' kind
I guess I failed
5:37 PM
No, adjectives here are important. If a question is good, being caused by homework is irrelevant. The question could nearly as easily be about low quality questions without the homework caveat at all.
It is.
Wait... somebody answering lost soul questions? That is new.
5:54 PM
It even got upvoted...
At least it's just a joke answer
6:13 PM
@JourneymanGeek Ketchcup, being red, symbolizes downvotes. Then I guess mustard is closevotes, and flour on top of that is delete-votes. And going on a leash to "propose" is posting on meta. It all matches.
No jokes today ...
@rene Second time I've cleaned that one up today. First one was on IPS :/
Ouch ...
2 hours later…
8:15 PM
5 messages moved to Trashcan
8:34 PM
@MEEisJohannGambolputty... I'm not sure what happened there. It doesn't show that you retracted the flag. It's possible that you tried to retract it at the same time the flags were cleared. You cast the r/a flag 4 hours ago and the naa flag three (based on the timeline).
8:50 PM
@Catija if spam or rude/abusive flags are cleared, ALL such flags are marked disputed, regardless of their previous status
Fact nugget nom nom
9:06 PM
@Shog9 ok thanks, this was what I thought.
sd f
Jeep update: a cable got bound up on the shift lever. A couple of zip ties and it's good to go
10:12 PM
@Shog9 Wondering if you could provide perspective (including data) to this post.
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog I don't think any numbers you get will tell you the whole story
Unless it's something extreme like a 10 to 1 ratio between Looks OK and Nuke
Focus on a certain timeline, or heck maybe even certain tags, and that could be interpreted as something
10:45 PM
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog all "looks ok" does is dequeue
@Shog9 ...and dismiss NAA and VLQ flags
You might have 5, or 6, or 7 people who agree that the answer should be deleted, but 1, or 2, or 3 can outweigh them all.
Sure. Alternately 7 people with 15 rep can put the same post in queue 7 times.
@Shog9 No? Can't a post only go to the queue once, and then after that review completes, subsequent flags go to moderators?
10:48 PM
It's slightly more complicated than that
For starters, ALL VLQ/NAA flags go to moderators. There's a brief delay (which moderators can override), but assuming the flag lasts more than the delay then mods can handle even the first flag
Second, AFAIK there's some edge-case surrounding edits wherein a post can enter review more than once, thought I don't immediately recall how that works.
@Shog9 In the 1-5 in favor of keeping example I give in the question, the post wasn't added by a user flagging, but by the system creating the task since it failed the system's quality test.
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog That would also generate a moderator flag, btw
Okay, can you please explain to me why the system was implemented this way? Why was it decided to give "Looks OK" reviews much more weight than "Recommend Deletion" reviews in the final review decision?
What answer are you looking for here?
I can give you a history spanning multiple years and multiple decisions
Or I can sketch out the underlying philosophy
Or I can just summarize why it usually works
@Shog9 An answer to my meta question, with the normal explanations that you give. In other words, a mix of the above three.
10:57 PM
Your meta question isn't a support question; it is a discussion that poses multiple questions
And... To put it bluntly, you have a history of wasting my time on these things. The vast bulk of the history and associated discussion is already available on meta; I kinda suspect you've already read some of it, and could easily find the rest if your motivation were purely curiosity.
I'm not going to spend a half-hour summarizing 4 years of history so that you can argue with it
You seem to believe the thresholds should be changed. You may be right - on some sites. But if that's your goal, then you don't need an answer to this question; you need to gather examples from the sites which aren't working well and ask for approval from their membership for the change.
It requires almost no effort on my part to change these things if there's good reason to do so.
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