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12:03 AM
@ɪBᴜɢ There's a few reasons - we might not be awake or notice....
@ɪBᴜɢ yes
Modding on mobile is terrible
 
I feel the mobile web is enough for me, so I don't like the app
 
I use the desktop/responsive UI, and I will sometimes pass over flags or actionable items cause its not possible to do it right
@ɪBᴜɢ just as true for mobile web
 
but mobile web is at least much better than the app
 
Its useless for mod tools.
 
I think the app could have been designed like Steam - i.e. just another shell wrapped around web pages :)
 
12:08 AM
heh, kinda like chatsey was?
 
@ɪBᴜɢ WebView and the SE mobile interface just weren't well-designed at the time the app came out
 
@JourneymanGeek but shouldn't be useless for regular tasks (close delete etc.)
 
Also, more or less this is one huge critique I have of SO...
they have a bit of a tendancy to get distracted by SHINY!
 
@JourneymanGeek meaning?
 
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog well, a fundamental issue for SO (the company) is that they basically get super focused on $new thing...
Then suddenly lose interest
 
12:11 AM
@JourneymanGeek they get super focused on $$$ new thing
 
@ɪBᴜɢ I don't think its just money
Careers, sure, but there was probably a lot more going on there.
 
And Teams and SO Enterprise
 
Docs? Awesome idea, but as something that didn't work, ended up being a drain
@ɪBᴜɢ Well, the good thing with teams and SO Enterprise is it actually trickles down to QA proper
You can't sell Teams and Enterprise without a healthy Q&A site
 
that's good
 
But with the apps...
 
12:14 AM
oh no, just cut off the app team and spare some hands to mobile web
 
lol
don't forget the SO app...
 
that'd kill two stones with one bird
 
@ɪBᴜɢ that's vaguely what they did.
The SE app's a bit complicated though.
The SO app was ... a bit of an odd thing.
 
s/odd/wildly unnecessary/
one of the more we-do-what-we-want decisions I've seen 'em take
 
@ArtOfCode I have no clue whose idea it was, or what they were thinking ;p
(Actually I have entirely unfounded theories... ;p)
 
12:21 AM
Maybe there'll soon be a SO Jobs app 'cuz jobs $$$
 
@ArtOfCode makes no sense outside marketing at the time was a bit obsessed with the SO branding
@ɪBᴜɢ the winds have changed
Might have happened if SO was a thing
@ArtOfCode also, probably didn't expect the massive pushback on SO :p
 
now alongside LinkedIn and GlassDoor there's SO J!
 
@ɪBᴜɢ that's one of those things...
as a management major (for all my sins) ... that never made sense to me.
I mean, yeah, there's all the talk about how SO's nicer and more ethical and focused but...
its a hell of a crowded market
and we're a chihhuaua in a cage full of 800 pound gorillas...
 
12:35 AM
@ArtOfCode What I've heard (from before working here) is they wanted the brand recognition. I've had people who know I work here see me in my SE shirt and say "I thought you worked for SO?"
There's a chunk of people who don't realize that SE is SO.
 
The easy solution to that would've been to upload the existing app again but call it "Stack Overflow" instead of "Stack Exchange"
 
I also know people who use the site frequently and don't know what SO is. I was one of them. ;)
We have a branding problem.
 
@Catija that's vaguely self propagating ;p
 
Rob
That's SO SE!
 
We'll just rebrand as "stack" (lowercase intended) and confuse the crap out of anyone using Slack.
 
12:49 AM
.....
I was going to half jokingly suggest the same thing.
 
And then we'll branch off from Web Apps a site for Slack. Which will be Slack.stack.com.
 
@JourneymanGeek I'm pretty sure that @Shog9 would protest.
 
and then folks have a slack for stack users and call it stack.slack.com....
(slack baffles me a bit, since I know its history...)
cause it was literally a spinoff from a failed MMORPG, and not a particularly good chat system
 
And, of course, we have the Slack integration for Teams...
 
12:54 AM
Anyone remember the days when the company was called "Stack Overflow Internet Services"?
 
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog that was literally when it was just the trilogy no?
 
@JourneymanGeek SE 1.0 existed at that time too
 
Pretty early days ;p
 
1:14 AM
@JourneymanGeek Nah, that's totally normal for any IT company.
 
1:25 AM
@b_jonas well... google plus....
true
but its still a core issue ;)
 
Rob
1:43 AM
An attention getting logo so they'll remember the stack (with two additional photos underneath, to clairify the top photo):
 
@JourneymanGeek Ok, now you're just focusing on only the latest thing. Google also disconintued Google Square, Google Sets, Google Wave, their own make of Android phones. :-)
 
Rob
 
1:56 AM
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hopefully GOOD MORNING
 
Rob
@SmokeDetector fp-
 
2:22 AM
@b_jonas I have only heard of two of those
and actually nexus became pixel and android one...
twas just a rebrand
 
rebrand++
 
and nexus was a partnered, high end wassname reference design...
Its basically "this is kinda how you make an android phone"
Android One is the same on the low end
 
 
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4:24 AM
!!/watch rihawebtech\.com
 
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog That pattern looks like it's already caught by Potentially bad keyword in answer and Potentially bad keyword in body; append -force if you really want to do that.
 
5:13 AM
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6:35 AM
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7:45 AM
Morning!
 
Morning
 
I guess we know whose morning is better.
 
I have coffee :D
 
So your morning is worse, then. Remove the exclamation point.
 
No, it's okay, because of the coffee :)
 
7:52 AM
Eh.
 
sd why
 
@Asuna [:7517976] Mostly non-latin body - Text contains 4 non-Latin characters out of 6
 
sd - fp
 
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@SmokeDetector k
 
7:54 AM
@Alex Exactly. The short high from a coffee goes away in an hour but my :| mood can stay forever
Mmm, it's more like :]
 
8:24 AM
:&
 
Y'all need to smile more :P
 
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I can't. All my non-alphanumeric keys are broken.
 
8:46 AM
@Tinkeringbell :) :D :} :] :$ :>
 
@Magisch See, that wasn't too hard now :P
Did everyone have an okay-ish weekend?
 
@Magisch You did mean that I should find out if parrots taste like chicken, right?
and since Tink is a parrot... I was replying that I already have to live with enough [redacted] MLP creepypastas, no need for more.
 
uh
@Tinkeringbell eh
 
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@Magisch Not okay-ish?
 
8:58 AM
eh-ish
Its monday now so that kind of puts a dent into the weekend enjoyment
 
I'm glad weekend is over. My brothers both were kinda getting on my nerves this weekend.
New week, new chances. Same boring job :P
 
I live alone so weekend is me-time
weekday is work-time
 
I was hoping for me-time this weekend, but I spent way too much time on cleaning, laundry and cooking :/
I only got 3 rows of crochet done :(
TBH there's more me-time if I don't have to keep a household running
 
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laundry and cleaning always has the same timeslot for me
 
9:11 AM
!!/watch thechiletimes\.cl
 
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog You don't have code privileges, but I've created PR#2607 for you.
 
namely sunday 1.00pm - 2.00pm and 6.30pm - 6.45pm every week
 
8 pants, 8 work sweaters, 8 work t-shirts, mom's uniforms (they require a separate load of laundry + ironing). Then there was towels and bed linen.
So I think it was 4 loads of laundry, most of it needed to hang to dry, and then the folding (UGH)
I definitely spent more than an hour on that ;)
 
!!/approve 2607
 
@Tinkeringbell The clothes aren't compatible with a gas/electric dryer?
 
9:13 AM
Makes wrinkles.
And is bad for clothing in general.
Plus it requires a load of energy that isn't necessarily necessary
 
why do you have to do the whole family's laundry?
 
@Magisch Because mom and dad were gone for the weekend, and mom didn't have time to do it on Thursday/Friday
 
@Tinkeringbell Not if you take them out immediately; that said, our dryers here have a "wrinkle shield" feature that tumbles the clothes every 5 minutes to reduce wrinkles
 
@Tinkeringbell 3 people other then mom/dad live in your house
 
@Magisch Yep. Tell that to my brothers. Not much has improved since that IPS question
They 'cook' occasionally (fries, hamburgers, microwave meals).
And at least they clean the kitchen after. But not much improvement otherwise.
 
9:16 AM
your parents are doing them a massive disservice by letting them get away with it
 
@Magisch I don't know. The oldest is soon going to live on his own again, and last time he did manage well, he didn't make a huge mess or something.
They can cook, they can clean ... they just don't do it.
 
if you never get into the habit it becomes really annoying to do
and then if they ever live with a woman in a relationship the relationship will suffer if they default back to doing nothing
 
@Magisch I don't see that happening anytime soon, but yeah.
Ah well.
That was my blanket last Friday :)
The colours show a bit better on this one
 
Are electric scooters beginning to appear in your towns yet?
 
today at the office, Google speedtest reports 0.51Mbps download speed
working with Azure VM will be a pleasure ...
 
9:23 AM
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog annoyingly yes
 
@Derpy Ugh. I really dislike those days.
 
@Mithrandir Which brands?
 
On the other hand. Relax. You can't go faster than your PC :P
 
@Tinkeringbell oh, our network is bad.
 
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog I really don't know and don't care
 
9:24 AM
@Derpy Airplanes have faster Wi-Fi
 
Switching to smoke signals could be a valid option
 
@Derpy Especially as those speeds make smoke come from your ears anyways :P
 
@Mithrandir A few days before I was due to fly out of Austin back home to San Diego, I suffered a face injury on one of those.
The leg pain was so intense, I was unable to walk out of my apartment building. I was forced to order food for delivery. I didn't step out of my building until my ride to the airport
 
@Tinkeringbell it is all part of the pleasure of rented workplace rooms...
bad network, dirty floors....
 
cold?
 
9:28 AM
windows that constantly create sun reflections on your screen...
@Tinkeringbell oh, no, that would just be coworkers that should learn IPS
ye oldie "I go to lunch, so I will try to open the window while outside is snowing so that we may get a change of air in the room"
 
@Derpy ;). I haven't seen nespresso today yet.
Think this is going to be relaxed today :D
 
A brilliant idea, especially when you go away while 3 other persons stay in the freezer while you eat :P
 
@Derpy Lovely :)
It's cold enough here... I usually dress up with an extra longsleeve when going here.
 
@Tinkeringbell 3, 2, 1, enters the room
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I'm glad to say your timing is off today :P
 
9:34 AM
Well keep reading that message until they arrive
Then my timing won't be off
 
Nope.
I'm not going to jinx this on purpose :P
 
@Tinkeringbell at least this exclude the possibility that you actually are a very specify coworker of mine that somehow manages to wear short sleeves light shirts even when it is -3° outside.
we call her "Oyuki" for a reason
 
@Derpy Hahaha those people are everywhere ;)
I don't think we have one here right now though.
 
@Derpy -3 isn't that cold unless it's Kelvin
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ -3 is cold enough.
 
9:36 AM
You're lucky I have to be careful about cold
 
@Derpy You see those kinds of people in the Chicago winter all the time
 
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog I generally dislike electric scooters and bikes. I make an exception for proper EMTBs.
 
@Derpy oo
 
@Tinkeringbell For me, it's not that my skin feels cold, it's the air I breathe that matters. I can't go into a place with cold air without persistent allergy feelings.
I literally have to ask establishment owners to raise the temperature because a coat won't help
 
@JourneymanGeek what? Do you expect people to be considerate? Nahh, leave that to ponies & parrots
 
9:40 AM
new challenge: figure out wth is going on in a sprawling mess of 20+ .append() constructs that are incorrectly indented
 
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@Magisch I'm guessing there's stuff being appended? :D
 
10:00 AM
@Tinkeringbell the way 1 particular coworker does javascript inline html is to do everything with .append($('<div/>',{class: 'a'})) etc
 
@Magisch at least you don't store HTML in the database, do you?
Happened to me recently, had to work on a project that did that.
 
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Q: Defect on profile page: vertical line consisting of zeros

Mari-Lou AI have no idea what this is nor how to describe it but it looks like a bug to me. Funny thing is, I tried visiting other users' profile pages but this "error" only appears on iBug's profile page. No idea why.

@ɪBᴜɢ If you don't mind me asking, are you testing combining characters on the location field?
It would be great if you answered that question.
 
10:15 AM
What's the correct tag for something reported as a bug that isn't a bug?
 
status-bydesign
(sorry, couldn't resist)
 
didn't they add a block for Zalgo and other similar tricks in the username fields?
 
Perhaps the usernames, but not the location field.
 
@Derpy putting people in the freezer....
That's cold
 
@JourneymanGeek read the previous messages in that chain, you will understand.
 
10:29 AM
Derp he was just trying to make an awful pun
Hehe that was fun. And kinda annoying too but mostly fun. It's been a while since I surfed through negatively voted meta posts.
 
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog just answered it. am in transit so only getting online intermittently
 
Eye roll you had to use Zalgo in location
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ ɪBᴜɢ has been using Zalgo everywhere :P
 
10:45 AM
Eye roll you had to use Zalgo everywhere
I used to use weird ass Unicode characters for username until someone complained that they can't ping me on mobile.
 
True. Pinging people on mobile is kinda hard that way.
On desktop you have autocomplete :)
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Not really an issue as long as you don't start your username with weird characters.
That's why I emphasize "start with"
 
@ɪBᴜɢ I don't know, the characters might mess with screen readers too?
Not too sure on what those do and don't 'read'
 
Not sure, either
 
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11:07 AM
TGIF!
 
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11:23 AM
@andmyself F? I think you should've said "M"
 
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@Shree spam, about me
 
Thanks.
 
11:38 AM
@SmokeDetector k
 
12:07 PM
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12:36 PM
monday, new wave of abusive profiles. Keep flagging, on the way to Marshall
 
@Derpy Spammers? How can you flag, unless they've posted?
I mean, Charcoal would get rid of them fast
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ offensive / abusive / often illegal activities promoted in profiles link
need deletion
self flag, list profiles links, let the parrot do the rest.
 
12:58 PM
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@Derpy I think they're mostly handled by the dog lately ;)
 
this parrot is so disappointing
did not include handmade knitted ponies plushes in the swag packages.
does not handle flags.
 
Hey! I'm not getting paid, so I have no influence on swag packages!
 
does not tell funny stories to entertain room users
 
@Derpy Hmm.
Let me think of one.
 
1:01 PM
I say we dismiss the parrot and give the diamond to @Bart
 
There must be something.
 
@Derpy @Bart has been slacking off smiting lately. Not sure it's the best idea
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Start to think that instead of cheese cutting sets SE should have been giving out coffee machines
 
>>Click here to donat to the parrot <<
 
@Tinkeringbell Easy. Start with "once upon a time, a little hobbit lived in a small village."
Add some gore with the hobbit going to the bathroom
Add some adventure when he's collecting firewood
Add some violence when he chops the firewood
Add some mystery when he eats poisonous mushrooms
 
1:05 PM
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Add some romance with a famous Hollywood actress. There, 500 M box office
 
1:20 PM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ hobbits don't do that
 
@ShadowWizard Hmm, diapers?
Or maybe the bathroom comes to them?
 
Problem is, not so many funny things have happened lately.
 
In Soviet Middle Earth
 
And if they do, I make sure to tell of you right away.
So there's not many funny stories
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ nah, it's just non relevant for hobbits. Their creator never meant them to go to bathroom or use it, so they don't have to do it. Call it magic.
:D
I know you envy them now, a lot. ;)
 
1:28 PM
Nah
 
It's like video games, which usually don't contain any reference for bathroom, and the hero keep going for days, weeks, and months of game time without ever visiting one.
 
Bathrooms are my open loop times. A box of thinking
 
Place of inspiration, yeah.
 
Not inspiration, thinking
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LOL the tag
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ game with smell? That would be a hit! :D
Going to doctor, cya!
 
1:38 PM
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@ShadowWizard They just take bathroom breaks at the same time you do :P
 
1:56 PM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ the most consecutive daily reputation limit
 
awh cmon
 
2:13 PM
Funny stories? :)
 
2:26 PM
Imagine you have a SQL view with a INSTEAD OF UPDATE trigger which updates other views that also have such a trigger
now imagine you're me, debugging a small thing. You're 4 triggers deep in the chain and start questioning life choices
 
I don't know that much SQL to fully understand the horror here ;)
What does an INSTEAD OF UPDATE trigger do?
 
DROP INSTEAD OF UPDATE
umm, I don't think that's how it works...
 
@Tinkeringbell imagine you have a view called parrots
that view is SELECT * FROM table_parrots
now if you do UPDATE Parrots SET name = 'Tinkeringbell' what it normally does is automatically resolve the view to find the table to update
This works as long as you're not trying to update derivative fields, like if there was parrot.Name + ' - ' + parrot.Species AS NameWithSpecies and you tried to update UPDATE Parrots SET NameWithSpecies = 'something' then it'd break
 
@Magisch have to do a small change to some pre-existing code. One of the changes involves creating a view on a SharePoint list. The view should have a specific ID.
Guess what? you can't set the ID
 
because you can't update derivative fields or fields derived from multiple base tables in one go. Now a INSTEAD OF UPDATE trigger allows you to specify a SQL Script that will be executed instead of the normal UPDATE behavior...
So you could, say, catch that error case and say that if someone tries to update NameWithSpecies that it splits the two fields apart and updates each field seperately then
Now, if you have a trigger that customizes update behavior on one view and in doing that UPDATE's another view, which in turn has a trigger...
you can see how that can keep chaining
 
2:42 PM
Normally, you would have two options:
a) realize that what you are currently trying makes no sense and try something else
b) stick to you eldritch idea and delve in the magic world of reverse engineering and private methods call in a vane attempt to set a property with no setter.
Guess what has been chosen for me
 
Is the ID what it says in the name, i.E a unique identifier?
If so, you should never set an ID, just get one and then note it whereever you need to reference it after
 
it is called BaseViewID, it real purpose is unclear. It is pretty evident that:
 
@Derpy There is a point at which I question the sanity of the requirements writer
 
a) SharePoint may be using it to give a "type" to the view - ie, the number may not be random - at least for out-of-box list views
b) while you CAN specify an id if you create a view using the xml based declarative approach, the c# api does not support it - meaning that the only methods that allow for it are INTERNAL
(and no, you can't use the declarative approach to add a view to an EXISTING list - it only works for list instance / schemas)
c) you can't update the "id" after creation
d) when creating a view programmatically, the new id is semi-random. You can even get existing ones if you are very lucky....
given that you can't really control the view "ID" but you can control the view "Name"...
what would you use to identify/refer to a view in your code?
 
@Derpy 5min google-fu says it's the UID for views within a viewCollection
So do not manually assign and do not set
It's akin to i.E a Primary Key in SQL.
 
2:56 PM
@Magisch re-read point d) just above. Also, I'm not the one who had the idea, just the lucky executor ;_;
 
@Derpy Create a view, read its ID, use that in your code
ID's should be static so once you created one, it should be the same until that view is gone
 
@Mgetz written requirement, analysis or even basic "can this even work" questioning are so last season.... we use the improvisation pattern: Do not think, follow the flow, hope it works :P
 
@Tinkeringbell while paused? Doubt it. ;)
 
@Magisch did I mention that the "known ID" are stored as "public const string" in a cs file in the project? Meaning they have to be know at compile time?
 
@Mgetz I mean if the requirements writer thinks they can dictate implementation details then I question their sanity starting out
 
3:00 PM
Horrible design ^^
 
@Derpy wait, are the view IDs assigned at runtime?
or at development-time, when you make the view?
If the view IDs generate at runtime, just make a function that creates a dynamic listing instead of having them all sit in a file
or torch the codebase with napalm and added magnesium and then start over
 
@Magisch This happens so often I'd be quite rich if I'd gotten a 10 dollars for every story I've seen that did this
@Derpy so your team has decayed into 'dysfunctional'?
 
@Magisch you can assign them at development time ONLY if the view is created using the list schema xml based declarative approach, and that is not applicable to an existing list. So, basically, in this case you can't know the identifiers at design time.
@Magisch again, I wasn't as lucky as Louis. Never "been given the option to choose"
 
So what do they want you to do?
Bypass application security principles? Reflection hack into a private method?
And which PO will take responsibility for the subtle and near undebuggable issues this is liable to cause?
 
In order:
they expect this:
and as for the second question, remember the first development rule:
whatever damage is caused to a system by poor planning, unrealistic expectations, wrong schedules or anything similar... the poor soul that will debug the code to try to find out the issue is still the dev.
Also the one who will pull his/her hair off I guess.
 
3:15 PM
or chill as you spend 20+ hours debugging something unnecessarily
after all, it's their paid time to you not yours
 
 
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@Magisch it is also your health, mental sanity and probably also "time you should spend at home not at work since your day is 8 hours not 10"
 
@Derpy I just leave after 8
they pay me for 8, they get 8
 
@Magisch oh, that is why my country has devised the golden rule - overtime can be requested as mandatory as needed
law obviously put some limits on that, but those are borderline cotton field slave worker level, so almost never applicable.
 
3:25 PM
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@Derpy same here, but overtime is x1.5 in comp time
so eh, they tend to not use it too much
 
@Derpy lol you get overtime, I'm federally exempt from it.
so I refuse to work it
 
3:53 PM
@Mgetz ok, I guess? Can't really comment without knowing reasons.
 
@Derpy These are the rules basically it's about money, the big tech companies didn't want to pay overtime so they got us exempted specifically in federal law.
 
@Mgetz maybe it is once again a cultural problem... but where does that paper claim you are exempt from overtime? All I see is that you are exempt from being payed for working overtime
WHICH IS PRETTY DIFFERENT
again, may be the expectations I have from living here... but that seems to mean "we are already so kind to pay your regular work hours and give you a job, do you really expect us to pay overtime too?"
either that minimum pay requirement is a lot higher than minimum wages to make up for the loss, or I don't get it.
And even in that case, I fear that such option would translate in "we own your soul" in my country.
 
4:11 PM
@Derpy oh I'm not exempt from working it, I just refuse
if you're not going to pay me for time worked I'm not going to work it unless it's my fault
If they want to fire me over that, fine
 
^ This post on Pets.SE (the second) somehow remembers me of this site... :)
 
I got 3 upvotes in the last 30 minutes; 1 upvote each on different site. Scary...
 
Does question 323058 really warrant a hard spam flag from a ♦?
I didn't see the post, but the author just lost 100 reputation in a flash.
 
4:27 PM
@ɪBᴜɢ That was r/a.
 
Why did I read "a year in motivation"? XD
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ them are smiting words
 
5:10 PM
Me: <no queries running>
data.SE: "Too many queries are running, you may only run 2 queries at a time"
 
@Mithrandir what, only 4 queries at a time?
I can't believe you can only run 8 queries at a time
 
5:42 PM
o/
 
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