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A: GoP - The Game of Points: Critical Sneak Attacks (Grant downvotes are commented soon)

I have the following reactions to your points: Voting is anonymous, and always will be. They don't need to share why, Freedom of Speech goes both ways. The target shouldn't need to defend themselves - the system automatically detects and corrects and reports abnormal voting behaviors. The targe...

ɪBᴜɢ

12:37 AM

I saw a decline in number of blatantly off-topic questions on MSE in the past few days, is it just because I didn't check as frequently as before?

@EKons cleansing :P

EKons

ew

ɪBᴜɢ

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog oops

FreezePhoenix

LMAO

Journeyman Geek

@ɪBᴜɢ weekend?

FreezePhoenix

@JourneymanGeek *clap clap clap* nice answer, I've only read half way through it

ɪBᴜɢ

12:46 AM

@JourneymanGeek maybe

Journeyman Geek

@FreezePhoenix actually - that's a pretty simple trick I use with posts like that.

basically if they have points to address, address the points ;p

FreezePhoenix

Yeah I did it too

@JourneymanGeek Hey I need a referee

Journeyman Geek

errrrr

FreezePhoenix

+1 nice referee

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@ɪBᴜɢ What?

ɪBᴜɢ

12:56 AM

18 mins ago, by ɪBᴜɢ

I saw a decline in number of blatantly off-topic questions on MSE in the past few days, is it just because I didn't check as frequently as before?

Journeyman Geek

@ɪBᴜɢ oh I think we have

stats say I deleted about 30 this week and I only did 1-2 a day the past few ;)

ɪBᴜɢ

that sounds supportive

Journeyman Geek

._.

oops

I closed a question, then somehow reopened it instead of deleting it...

then reclosed and delted.

oops

ɪBᴜɢ

I think at peak time we get up to 30 OT a day

Journeyman Geek

@ɪBᴜɢ I'd guess the folks who got "the email" are tapering off

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog read ... about 3 lines up

also - short answer - "oops"

ɪBᴜɢ

1:00 AM

some day I recall wandering on MSE for 16 hrs, and saw 19 those in total, so I estimate that day there could be ~30

Journeyman Geek

(also lol, I KNEW someone would ask ;) )

ɪBᴜɢ

@Sonic Do you speak Spanish or did you just use Google Translate?

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@ɪBᴜɢ Google Translate (and I translated it back to English to make sure it was accurate)

ɪBᴜɢ

lol, I remember translating one text back and forth and got hilarious results years ago

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

Never Make a Wish Using Google Translate (Body Swap)

►

ArtOfCode

1:05 AM

Que?

I know some Spanish, if things need translated

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@ArtOfCode Someone posted an off-topic question in Spanish, so I Google translated my canned comment to Spanish before posting it.

ArtOfCode

ah

FreezePhoenix

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog ¿Por que?

ɪBᴜɢ

@FreezePhoenix no lo sé, tal vez porque es conveniente

FreezePhoenix

@ɪBᴜɢ ¡No son conveniente! (It is not convenient!)

Journeyman Geek

1:08 AM

... english please!

ɪBᴜɢ

@FreezePhoenix dije "tal vez" (I said "maybe")

Journeyman Geek

also

and myself

english ok lor!

Journeyman Geek

ugh. I have a few things I need to do but I'm putting off cause I've had generally poor luck with it and feels thankless, and something I want to do before I go to india but can't cause I'm waiting on a package

ɪBᴜɢ

peut-être pouvons dire francais? :P

Journeyman Geek

1:15 AM

;)

I asked nicely

ɪBᴜɢ

moderator abuse! mimicking new users first encounter moderating actions

FreezePhoenix

Doesn't that mean the moderator is being abused?

ɪBᴜɢ

@FreezePhoenix depends. English has many ways to interpret :)

Journeyman Geek

@ɪBᴜɢ that's the spray bottle of moderation.... ;p

don't make me get out the super soaker...

which sadly are no longer the lovely rocket scientist designed things of my youth

FreezePhoenix

1:50 AM

Ooh I see somebody has some retaliation going on

Journeyman Geek

No, merely negative reinforcement was used in moderate quantities ;)

FreezePhoenix

I'm referring to the fact that both your answer and mine got downvotes.

And maybe Ward's

Journeyman Geek

oh

I don't really care

FreezePhoenix

/shrug I don't either, it just means I lost my ability to downvote. Lol you wouldn't care it's 2 rep against your 46K

Journeyman Geek

and I got that by not focusing on votes ;)

Just post the best answers you can. Everything else takes care of itself

user302202

1:57 AM

This reminded me of old & new users of Stack Overflow, and how the new ones just can't follow instructions.

user302202

Dazed and Confused (6/12) Movie CLIP - Why Can't We Be Friends? (1993) HD

►

Journeyman Geek

I'm pretty sure covering anything you arn't going to eat with tomato ketchup is.... not nice...

Sometimes covering things you are going to eat with ketcheup can be too

there's better condiments

and myself

2:41 AM

!!/report german.stackexchange.com/a/49073/15635

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

2:57 AM

Is information as to what tags are considered "intrinsic" for each site in the SE network considered to be "private information"? I was about to ask a question asking which tags are considered "intrinsic" for all sites, but I found this post, and it says that the info is only available to moderators, not to the public.

Journeyman Geek

I have no idea. Nor have I looked it up before ._.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Shog9 Would be nice if I got an SE perspective on that.

@JourneymanGeek If you wouldn't mind, could you please check if computers is indeed an intrinsic tag for SU? I use it as an example in several places and I want to check if it is indeed correct.

and myself

it would super, or user :p

Journeyman Geek

._.

sure. Once I work out where to look ;)

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Says so in the post I linked

Journeyman Geek

3:06 AM

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog no

it isn't

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

status-maroon-tags-are-removed-with-the-redesign

Journeyman Geek

lol

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Have to get my diagram editor out...but what is intrinsic to SU?

Journeyman Geek

... lots of complicated tag regex blacklists

its a path to madness.

and I'm not sure its fine to share?

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Will have to wait for Shog to respond, but for now I'll use the example there of graphics on Graphic Design.

Not much space in the box that mentions it in my flowchart, so I'd prefer to use a site that has a common two-letter abbreviation (e.g. SO, SU, SF, AU, etc.)

Journeyman Geek

3:11 AM

(and honestly - I don't/can't tell the difference between a blacklisted and intristic tag)

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Maybe SU has none

Journeyman Geek

untagged for example is blacklisted (everywhere)

but is that intristic?

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

No

Journeyman Geek

and the possible intristic tags are in the same format.

OH

I guess we don't

shrug

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Why isn't google blacklisted? It's been recreated after getting removed quite a few times, so I wonder why it's not on the blacklist. Has SE not been paying attention to MSU?

Journeyman Geek

3:14 AM

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog getting something blacklisted is a pain

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Monica Cellio says that a good idea to get a site-specific feature implemented is for a moderator there to escalate it to SE via a CM message...has that been done?

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog quite frankly - the CMs are overloaded and we have reasonable ways to deal with it.

so I'd rather not.

If it was self serve, sure

but we have too many tags that needs it

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek I guess that's why SU prefers to have the community remove tags while SO prefers to have them burninated

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog we have a robust workaround for it ;p

which is sometimes me slowly chipping away at a tag over a lunch break or a long boring shift XD

Also for most part, unless we have a serious emergency, for most part SU can run with very little CM intervention.

We'd probably need one full time dealing with our tag issues XD

ArtOfCode

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog from what I can tell, sites launch with an intrinsic tag equal to their API parameter

and myself

3:25 AM

Could only tell that android is blacklisted by Jeff on Android Enthusiasts

Also anime and manga on Anime & Manga, obviously

Journeyman Geek

I suspect they're used the same way

Its a bit like R/A and spam flags

its the 'same' only different

and myself

and programming on SO

enough trial and error... @_@;

Journeyman Geek

@andmyself though the question is intristic or blacklisted

and myself

3:42 AM

just a super duper very wild assumption that if there are no meta discussions about it, then it's probably intrinsic

ugh... there was... in 2009...

ArtOfCode

Stats are fun

mildly amused that all the top blocks are Microsoft tracking things

Catija

4:16 AM

Their pie charts have holes in them... How appropriate.

ArtOfCode

ha, I didn't clock that one

Catija

First thing I saw. :P

Journeyman Geek

@ArtOfCode ._.

I just got that set up on my old old raspi

I need to work out how to get a PI W working in gadget mode

seems like a perfect use for a zero or 0w ;p

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

5:06 AM

edit-reject-pls closed within 5 days, doesn't make post reopenable: meta.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/62522

ArtOfCode

5:49 AM

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog that's... not a reason to reject a valid edit

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

80

Q: Reopen Votes queue overrun due to poor approved edits/rep farming

Recently the Reopen Votes queue has been overrun with questions that have been closed, then edited by a user who is not the asker after the closure, and their edit has been approved. 95% of the time this happens, this approved edit does nothing to attempt to fix the question's content, but consi...

ArtOfCode

That's MSO, and still doesn't say reject 'em.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@ArtOfCode meta.stackoverflow.com/a/355471/2157772, last paragraph

ArtOfCode

Last paragraph of the sparsely-upvoted seventh answer does not a policy make.

Journeyman Geek

Eh. The right question to me is 'does this edit have value'

As a duplicate, it's an artifact people may find, and copyediting is useful

Catija

6:09 AM

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog Um... I'm pretty sure that our reopen queue cup doth not runneth over here on MSE.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Catija Yeah, I noticed you gave it a binding "Leave Closed" review.

Catija

It's OK for people to actually have something to do in the queues... can't get those badges without them.

Only thing in the list... easy to find.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Catija True, but if alexolut wants to edit the post to make it reopenable, he can't. (Though as he has 250+ rep he can vote to reopen.)

So I guess my argument only applies for posts where the author has less than 250 rep.

Catija

If it's a dupe and it's really, really obviously a dupe, probably not a concern, either.

Journeyman Geek

6:29 AM

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog who would have someone with more rep looking it over anyway....

And I suspect S Jade only noticed it cause I edited it to add a additional dupe target....

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

Why does changing dupe targets bump posts anyway? The only reason I can see is for backward compatibility with older dupe closures where editing dupe targets would involve editing the post (since the notice was edited into the body by the Community user).

John Dvorak

What if other people disagree with the new dupe target, @sonic?

@SmokeDetector fp. The question is literally asking for it.

Journeyman Geek

7:15 AM

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog probably cause an edit is an edit

Shadow Wizard

7:26 AM

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog so others will see it, and have chance to review/change in case it's wrong, like any action that affects a question or one of its answers.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

8:13 AM

@JourneymanGeek FYI the Trashcan needs to receive some sunlight

Journeyman Geek

errr what?

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Otherwise it will ice up

Journeyman Geek

Its the tropics

do you mean the sweepings need chimneys?

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek No, the Trashcan will freeze out in the cold

Journeyman Geek

→ 21 messages moved to Chimney

erm

I have no idea why that matters

if its frozen we can unfreeze it if needed

and its mostly a place to dump things we don't want anyway

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

8:17 AM

@Mithrandir has been keeping the sun out there, though

SmokeDetector

8:41 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body (97): complement is protected to by user159966 on wordpress.SE

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

9:11 AM

Dumping @Journey's itses in the Trashcan

and myself

9:25 AM

Dumpin' Donuts

Shadow Wizard

10:03 AM

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog why? there are at least three trash cans ATM in meta chat

I try to keep this one active since I created it, but also won't be a crisis if it freeze one day. :)

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer (80): What does the phrase "on the minute" mean? by Apollo 30 on ell.SE

rene

10:25 AM

@SmokeDetector user as another, non-spam contribution. AGF here.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard and unless you're an RO or mod you won't be moving things...

After years of work, and innumerable conference and symposiums, the translation of the message from the stars was complete. It began as follows: "This is more of a comment than a question..."

Tweeted by MicroSFF on January 27, 2019 at 10:12 AM

Tinkeringbell

"But WTH do you all think you're doing?" :P

Journeyman Geek

10:43 AM

"After years of work - we deciphered the reply "Vote to close, Unclear what you're asking..."

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Shouldn't that be 'enciphered'?

Journeyman Geek

Maybe

Presumably these are plain text thought

Tinkeringbell

Hmm. You're right. But then why decipher a reply, instead of just write/translate it?

Journeyman Geek

Oh on the other end

Tinkeringbell

This is too lazy of a Sunday :P

I'm not following stuff :P

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

10:50 AM

@Tinkeringbell 'de-' can mean 'en-'

Tinkeringbell

strange. the online dictionaries say they're antonyms

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

De- can do a lot of things.

What does "denude" mean?

Is it to undo the nudeness, or to enable it?

Tinkeringbell

I didn't even know that was a word :/

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Well me neither

I learned it when I learned that de- can do a lot of things

Closing Tink's thought as a duplicate

Also a decompound leaf is not un-compound, it's actually a gathering of compounded leaves

And that'd be the bell. Class dismissed

Tinkeringbell

Hahaha but in the case of de and encrypting, there's a difference ;)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

10:55 AM

Sure

Tinkeringbell

In that case, the symbol 'de' is understood to mean undo

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Yep, and that's the most common use

Basically, don't try to understand how morphemes work. Just use them

They tend to date back to older languages and/or very old words so couple of thousand years basically screws any consistency

Tinkeringbell

Yep, only use words when you know someone can't misinterpret them ;)

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I think there's some words that have switched meaning from positive to negative and vice versa.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

And some words that have found entirely different and unrelated meanings

Tinkeringbell

ideas.ted.com/20-words-that-once-meant-something-very-different

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

10:59 AM

شوخ in Persian used to mean "filthy and dirty", now it means "a funny, easy going fellow"

کثیف used to mean "dense and thick", now it means "filthy"

Mithrandir

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ this is why I randomly guessed last night that "decrement" was the opposite of "increment"

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I can't for the love of me think of English thingies right now

@Mithrandir The most common uses you've encountered are de- indicating reversal or subtraction, so I guess it follows naturally

@Tinkeringbell Fathom's meaning is actually pretty fathomable

Tinkeringbell

So is clue

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@SmokeDetector F

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

11:30 AM

The Korean Demilitarized Zone is definitely militarized

cv-pls unclear: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/323000/…

Shadow Wizard

12:23 PM

@Tink pretty sure this one is at least the second offense, OP got profile for 3 days which means most likely they also posted off topic question three days ago. (Also, user name rings a bell)

Tinkeringbell

Wrong!

Also.. flags!

I like declining flags :)

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell :(

Luckily not my own.... ;)

@Tinkeringbell so they waited three days with their OT question. Impressive..... :D

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Declining flags means there's nothing wrong. That's a good thing! :P

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell depending what flags.... ;)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard Or they were trying to solve a Captcha for three days

Tinkeringbell

12:34 PM

@ShadowWizard Ehh, no? Flags are for when something is wrong, so ... declining them means there's nothing wrong!

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Tinkeringbell Or means something else is wrong, not what the flag says is wrong

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ exactly!

Tinkeringbell

Okay

That's the one loophole

You got me, you found the vulnerability

I'm going back to crochet ;)

Shadow Wizard

expanding loophole

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

High five! Fist bump!

user271002

12:37 PM

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ or means that the mod is wrong ;-)

Shadow Wizard

making it into wormhole

ends up in @M.A.R's room, on his book

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Loong We're not talking about hypotheticals. Only reality

user271002

ah, ok

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard GET THE HELL OUT, THIS ROOM IS SUPPOSED TO BE DISINFECTED AT ALL TIMES

Shadow Wizard

Nothing is real, excepts reality!

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ too late! :P

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

12:42 PM

-12 for that poorly titled post is kind of an overkill

SmokeDetector

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Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ no it's not

it's an overkill perhaps for a question that is otherwise good. You mean this one?

Oh, this. I downvoted only because of the crap title. No other reason.

OP did it on purpose, instead of choosing a real title, so... totally deserve all downvotes IMO.

rene

1:12 PM

Hmm, this dupe is a bit ... not applicable SE wide? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/18242/…

user271002

Homework policies are site-specific.

Shadow Wizard

moobak!

Journeyman Geek

@rene I... kinda think that's one case where a newer, general question could/should be asked, and this is closed as a dupe of that

user271002

1:39 PM

If the OP would have made only half of the effort that it takes to write a meta complaint to improve the original question.

user271002

That one wasn't actually so far out of our homework policy.

user271002

I tried to fix it now.

Journeyman Geek

@Loong that's kinda the issue most sites have with homework questions ;p

user271002

And it looks like I tried to fix the wrong problem:

user271002

@Catija i am not talking about the deleted chemistry question. But as i was going through the physics questions. i found a question good enough.. As it would clear doubts of most new learners regarding the topic or concepts. But god knows why that was answered to a off topic.. — Sreetama ghosh hazra 6 mins ago

Shadow Wizard

1:43 PM

O.o

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard Oh that one is just a stupid/not-thought-through suggestion

@ShadowWizard Yeah that one

> Phrases are really important? This is what I can understand. Beginners are really facing problems to uphold their doubts.

What

If you're talking about your deleted chemistry question, it looks like you were given a link to a guide on how to improve your question. Did something about that guide not help you improve your question? — Catija ♦ 45 mins ago

Eeeek

@Loong Oh it wasn't? Thank God

Shadow Wizard

2:02 PM

yw

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Bah, I was gonna answer that

SmokeDetector

2:33 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer (60): How can I unzip a .tar.gz in one step (using 7-Zip)? by Wendy William on superuser.com

Shadow Wizard

@SmokeDetector k

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

3:30 PM

19

Q: Is strict moderating discouraging newer members to add to the community?

I'm now on StackExchange for several weeks, having asked few questions and answered some. Now there's something I observed (in worldbuilding, but in other StackExchange-sites too) that moderators are being really strict towards newer members. Don't get me wrong, I'm very thankful for their work. ...

discussion moderators new-users rules

Well, riddle me this: What drove you to the site in the first place?

John Dvorak

3:45 PM

Riddle me this: if long-standing members are what makes the site flourish, why does Stack Exchange focus all their efforts towards keeping the new ones?

(apologies for my bad mood)

and myself

Riddle me that: What disappoints you from participating in other forum/Q&A sites?

MEE is Johann Gambolputty ...

Is this post only naa or r/a: meta.stackexchange.com/a/323012/364003? I am not sure but as a non-native speaker the sentence seems not really to make sense.

John Dvorak

other than Stack Exchange? Quora's about opinions rather than facts, and Y/A ... no need for words.

@MEEisJohannGambolputty... I'd validate an R/A flag

MEE is Johann Gambolputty ...

I'd vote for one too, but as the r/a flag is more destructive than the naa flag (and is faster declined...) I decided to ask here first

John Dvorak

I can see no good intention in that post

and myself

3:56 PM

no visible other activities on other SE sites, unless the OP posted the same thing on SO

MEE is Johann Gambolputty ...

which we can't see now (as we are no mods)

SmokeDetector

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Rob

@MEEisJohannGambolputty... The sentence doesn't make sense, but it might be a misquoted inspirational quip, the all caps means it's shouting, which is arguably rude, but they are not shouting at the OP but rather suggest that they shout; a confusing nonsense answer. It's safe to say it's NAA, for "rude" it's your flag. It appears that rude (or foolish) is the intention.

MEE is Johann Gambolputty ...

@Rob okay, changed my flag to naa. r/a might be declined for being too aggressive

Rob

4:13 PM

There exists a chance it would be disputed, it ought not to be "not helpful" but that is possible. Presumably it would be "helpful" and a credit to you. But NAA is reasonably certain to be helpful, and still a credit to your flagging record. --- But I speak from the position of CHQ and not as the Meta Moderator. Generally try to flag as strong as possible, but don't over-flag.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer (86): How to locate a phone without user knowing by Dominic Sgt thompson on android.SE

Rob

It depends on the site too, some want precision and some are simply happy to have the flag and figure out what it should have been; and make their own decision. Sometimes there will be an edit made in the grace period which flushes the flags, so getting an additional one (even from a different category) is helpful. The worst is custom Mod flag when clearly you ought to have used a predefined choice; but some Moderators are forgiving on that point too. I'm active on a couple of dozen

sites where it's easy to experience differences and difficult to remember them all. 🤪

zixuan

Only there not might be a offtopic question

[feature-request] Rename "Questions" to "MapQuests"

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] No whitespace in title (63): WORTBILDUNGSTECHNIKEN by Marcus on german.SE

MEE is Johann Gambolputty ...

4:35 PM

This post. No big problem, but the title says "lazy homework questions". I am not sure whether this should be changed and I would normally leave it, but the new CoC explicitly calls out "lazy" as a term that should be avoided, even when applied to content. Maybe change it to "effortless"?

SmokeDetector

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Catija

@MEEisJohannGambolputty... I think of it this way... it's not referring to any specific question but it's being used to restrict the sort of homework questions. It's not talking about all if them, just some. If you want to edit it to say low-effort or something like that, feel free... but I don't think we're outright banning specific words like that. "Effortless" generally means easy, not lazy.

> She performed her dance routine effortlessly.

This means she performed so well, it looked easy. It doesn't mean that she performed poorly because she didn't try.

MEE is Johann Gambolputty ...

@Catija I would not have suggested this, if there had not been the recent *The CoC eats zombies"-post.

Yeah, sorry, low-effort might be better

-----
@Catija do you know what happened with [this](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/202772/how-to-discourage-lazy-homework-questions-and-their-answers/323012#323012) post? I flagged it as r/a, retracted the flag and flagged as naa. Now the naa flag is helpful and the r/a is disputed. Is this because a mod disputed all red flags?

Catija

@MEEisJohannGambolputty... that post was referring to specific types of users as zombies, which I see as being quite different. But something like low-effort has the side benefit of being more accurate, so don't feel bad about editing for that reason.

SmokeDetector

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Catija

4:49 PM

@MEEisJohannGambolputty... it's hard to tell on my phone. I'll look later. Probably, though.

MEE is Johann Gambolputty ...

@Catija okay, thanks...

:)

Disputing, it's always disputing

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@MEEisJohannGambolputty... For God's sake

Rob

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ You called: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/202772/… ?

MEE is Johann Gambolputty ...

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Normally, I wouldn't (propose to) change this. Only due to the zombie-post, the explicit call-out in the CoC and the recent bump of this question, I asked for this.

(So I wouldn't search for posts containing possible keywords, etc.)

@Rob your version is probably better.

Rob

5:05 PM

Thanks, it clarifies the expectations in the title; politely.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

No, I actually kind of object to the whole "lazy" being impolite

There's a middle ground, and something doesn't have to be polite not to be impolite

MEE is Johann Gambolputty ...

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ unfortunately the Code of Conduct explicitely calls this out as unacceptable behaviour

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

If someone is slacking off, and pushing work they're supposed to do onto others, then it's lazy.

Any other label will be noncomperhensive or inaccurate.

We don't have to rip the language of negative connotations to remain in the polite territory

MEE is Johann Gambolputty ...

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Don't tell this me, I agree with you that this behaviour is bad, unacceptable and even rude to others. You could though propose a change to the CoC and ask for this to explicit example to be removed/changed. They even stated that it is intended as a changeable document.

Tinkeringbell

Did anyone notice the original question title contained no adjective at all?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

5:10 PM

Bloody hell, stop with the pings!

John Dvorak

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ noted :P

MEE is Johann Gambolputty ...

Yes @M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ :)

at Tinkeringbell No...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I blame @Sha. He's turning here into the Den eventually, then he'd take over

Catija

@Tinkeringbell edited within 20 minutes by the op... still pretty original to the post.

Rob

@Catija - Edit by me (not MEE...) 17 minutes ago, and when I click the link above I see my version, with no pending edits or notification that my edit is pending any approval. It's quite different from the original or the suggested edit. Refresh your browser?

MEE is Johann Gambolputty ...

5:21 PM

@Rob no Catija means that the post was edited 20 mins after posting to change the title

Rob

OK

Tinkeringbell

@Catija Sure... I was trying to have a few lightbulbs go on of the 'hey, we don't always need adjectives' kind

I guess I failed

Catija

5:37 PM

No, adjectives here are important. If a question is good, being caused by homework is irrelevant. The question could nearly as easily be about low quality questions without the homework caveat at all.

zixuan

It is.

MEE is Johann Gambolputty ...

Wait... somebody answering lost soul questions? That is new.

and myself

5:54 PM

It even got upvoted...

John Dvorak

At least it's just a joke answer

user302202

6:13 PM

@JourneymanGeek Ketchcup, being red, symbolizes downvotes. Then I guess mustard is closevotes, and flour on top of that is delete-votes. And going on a leash to "propose" is posting on meta. It all matches.

rene

No jokes today ...

Tinkeringbell

@rene Second time I've cleaned that one up today. First one was on IPS :/

rene

Ouch ...

ArtOfCode

8:15 PM

→ 5 messages moved to Trashcan

Catija

8:34 PM

@MEEisJohannGambolputty... I'm not sure what happened there. It doesn't show that you retracted the flag. It's possible that you tried to retract it at the same time the flags were cleared. You cast the r/a flag 4 hours ago and the naa flag three (based on the timeline).

Shog9

8:50 PM

@Catija if spam or rude/abusive flags are cleared, ALL such flags are marked disputed, regardless of their previous status

Catija

Interesting.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Fact nugget nom nom

MEE is Johann Gambolputty ...

9:06 PM

@Shog9 ok thanks, this was what I thought.

rene

sd f

Shog9

Jeep update: a cable got bound up on the shift lever. A couple of zip ties and it's good to go

Catija

Nice!

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

10:12 PM

@Shog9 Wondering if you could provide perspective (including data) to this post.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog I don't think any numbers you get will tell you the whole story

Unless it's something extreme like a 10 to 1 ratio between Looks OK and Nuke

Focus on a certain timeline, or heck maybe even certain tags, and that could be interpreted as something

Shog9

10:45 PM

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog all "looks ok" does is dequeue

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Shog9 ...and dismiss NAA and VLQ flags

Shog9

Sure

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

You might have 5, or 6, or 7 people who agree that the answer should be deleted, but 1, or 2, or 3 can outweigh them all.

Shog9

Sure. Alternately 7 people with 15 rep can put the same post in queue 7 times.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Shog9 No? Can't a post only go to the queue once, and then after that review completes, subsequent flags go to moderators?

Shog9

10:48 PM

It's slightly more complicated than that

For starters, ALL VLQ/NAA flags go to moderators. There's a brief delay (which moderators can override), but assuming the flag lasts more than the delay then mods can handle even the first flag

Second, AFAIK there's some edge-case surrounding edits wherein a post can enter review more than once, thought I don't immediately recall how that works.

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Shog9 In the 1-5 in favor of keeping example I give in the question, the post wasn't added by a user flagging, but by the system creating the task since it failed the system's quality test.

Shog9

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog That would also generate a moderator flag, btw

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

Okay, can you please explain to me why the system was implemented this way? Why was it decided to give "Looks OK" reviews much more weight than "Recommend Deletion" reviews in the final review decision?

Shog9

What answer are you looking for here?

I can give you a history spanning multiple years and multiple decisions

Or I can sketch out the underlying philosophy

Or I can just summarize why it usually works

Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

@Shog9 An answer to my meta question, with the normal explanations that you give. In other words, a mix of the above three.

Shog9

10:57 PM

Your meta question isn't a support question; it is a discussion that poses multiple questions

And... To put it bluntly, you have a history of wasting my time on these things. The vast bulk of the history and associated discussion is already available on meta; I kinda suspect you've already read some of it, and could easily find the rest if your motivation were purely curiosity.

I'm not going to spend a half-hour summarizing 4 years of history so that you can argue with it

You seem to believe the thresholds should be changed. You may be right - on some sites. But if that's your goal, then you don't need an answer to this question; you need to gather examples from the sites which aren't working well and ask for approval from their membership for the change.

It requires almost no effort on my part to change these things if there's good reason to do so.

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