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2:00 PM
rene is not amused, but then when is rene ever amused?
 
It's 5 PM!
@AndrasDeak while WAGing
 
@apaul :) Bring it on!
 
No, those are dogs
 
I can feel his amusement all the way to my place. :P
 
@ShadowWizard You people and your time zones...
 
2:01 PM
@AndrasDeak dogs don't WAG. Only @FOX can.
And wolves.
 
enjoy the conversation about nothing in particular
 
Exactly! :D
 
@Tinkeringbell Cake vs pie?
 
@apaul no divisive topics please
 
@ShadowWizard woof woof wag?
 
2:03 PM
Come on folks, we can still pointlessly argue in circles. (Even though cake is obviously the superior choice)
 
@apaul I prefer pizza.
Not much of a sweet tooth
though I did share a recipie for shio pan earlier today ;)
 
@apaul salad trumps both #fiteme
 
Pizza is technically pie?
 
Camembert + cranberry pizza FTW
 
2:05 PM
@JohnDvorak Ooo this
Still not as good as cake.
 
(posted without context)
 
You know what? I'm just going to go for 'edibles' at this point. Don't care if they come in cake or pie form.
 
Military cheese butter?
 
@JourneymanGeek you should know WAG by now.... ;)
 
It's an assault on your senses @apaul
 
@apaul We now have to postpone this conversation until I'm home and can actually watch that. :P
 
@apaul it was a machine translation of brazillian spanish portugese.
 
OK, I need to pee urgently which is sign I'm calm (while into drama I'm too occupied to feel those things) - so going to handle this, then away, leaving you all to run in circles, triangles, or even rectangles. Cya!
 
@Tinkeringbell lol the important bit is in the title
 
@apaul Oh... Guess we're done talking then. Have fun taking over the room, I have to go travel home soon anyways ;)
 
2:09 PM
@JourneymanGeek Ah, fun
 
@apaul The to be offended bit ...
 
@Tinkeringbell It was said with love... And snark.
 
@apaul I am so sorry
youtube.com/watch?v=JoP-j-nQ3Go the machine translations are better now... but that's the video
 
Guess pop culture references don't travel well.
 
2:11 PM
I can't rule out that.
 
@apaul and dethklock is a bit... obscure I think?
 
@JourneymanGeek Metal has it's own culture, or lack there of.
 
heh
eh, I guess ;p
(heh, that series reminds me of a friend I introduced it to...)
"Ok... wait... what is... WHERE HAS THIS BEEN ALL MY LIFE!"
 
off-topic, but: 1-day suspension? that's the fastest suspension I've ever seen...
 
Fastest or shortest?
 
2:15 PM
shortest is 30 minutes :P
or is it not chat?
 
@JourneymanGeek People either love it, or don't understand it at all.
 
ah, right, shortest.
 
For sites, they're measured in days. For chat, in hours.
 
@apaul true of anything that is cool ;p
@Somewhat 1 day is a minimum
though its usually for a quick cool off. 7 days is the default to start with in most cases.
 
They're good for rollback wars and vandalism.
 
2:19 PM
yup
though locking posts seems a better idea for the former? ;p
 
who got an 1 day suspension?
 
@Magisch could be anyone ;p
I can say I haven't suspended anyone this week though
 
@Catija That reminds me... Are you going to unlock that post? Like ever?
 
@Magisch not on MSE/MSO, and isn't related to this incident
 
The guy yesterday got 25 years right?
 
2:21 PM
@Magisch Cake is better than suspensions.
 
@JourneymanGeek both are options, also works well in conjunction.
 
@Magisch anything over 10 years is just "oh go away and don't come back"
@apaul CAKE OR DEATH!
 
@JourneymanGeek "The system won't let me perma you, but you're still perma'd"
 
#cakeLife
 
@apaul Haven't thought about it in months.
 
2:22 PM
@Magisch and that a decade is the standard "go away" suspension
25 years is making a point
 
Cake is easier to make than pie.
 
(actually...)
 
@Catija Also true.
 
@Magisch same as throwing someone the maximum allowed chat suspension
 
2:23 PM
I can't ban you, but I can keep you out of chat as long as I can
 
The first ten year suspensions should be wearing off about now...
 
@JourneymanGeek iirc mods can even modify GET requests to ban for longer then the chat UI allows
 
@rene no stress.
 
we had a spat on so meta about it
 
@Catija Is that a no?
 
2:24 PM
@Magisch ehhhhh
@Magisch the main point of those is for very specific cases
 
@ShadowWizard KABOOOM!
 
@JourneymanGeek Or science
 
@Magisch technically technically I've suspended my sock for over 3,000 years from chat
 
@Catija oh the 9999 hour suspensions
 
2:24 PM
@JourneymanGeek That's next level "You actually annoyed me so much I learned how to forge POST requests to keep you out longer"
 
@Magisch sooooo
We have a recurrent, harmless troll who would try to get 20 rep, and get on chat and troll us
 
@apaul Ask one of the mods. It's their choice.
 
he had two issues. Firstly, I'm really good at sniffing out people's voices online
The other is... he wasn't very bright.
 
@JourneymanGeek "sniff" hmmmm.........
 
@Magisch max the UI allows is 9999 hours, but you can just knock the maxlength attribute off and you can go up to 1184050 days
 
2:26 PM
@Catija They aren't as much fun to poke.
 
Being a dog, Journeyman has an enhanced sense of smell...
 
So he would either go off on us on main cause he couldn't get the 20 rep, or get it and get suspended...
he worked out he could do it on another site and not get site suspended, so I started hitting him with long suspensions...
 
which gets you unsuspended in the year 5259
 
@ArtOfCode the goal here though is to maximise his annoyance.
 
in that case, give him one message, then an hour's suspension, and repeat :)
or nick his fkey and kill him with rate limiting
 
2:29 PM
@ArtOfCode ah, but then he would come back with another account... and another
 
@ArtOfCode Well good for ShadowWizard that's a good 500 years in the past (current Hebrew calender year is 5779).
 
@ArtOfCode that means actual effort
I'd actually gotten shog to help with a few accounts but...
its a waste of CM time when we can trivially ruin their fun ourselves
now the NASTY part was how folks would wonder if a new user was our troll
 
That actually happened in the C++Lounge for awhile, we had a persistent sock puppet troll to the point it became a meme
 
I assume that "taboo avatar abuser"? or maybe the recent one on MSE...
 
@Mgetz Waaaaait
(well while I figure out if anyone else figured out what was happening other than me)
@Mgetz I wonder if it was recycle
 
2:35 PM
@JourneymanGeek Cicada
 
I was under the impression he was trying to troll all y'all last before he got ...
 
I think
but they stopped after awhile
 
well he basically got outtrolled.
 
I'm glad I was wrong :)
 
I can't answer that based on the fact I didn't pay that much attention to it
 
2:36 PM
ah
 
I just remember a common question and joke was "are you ___________"
even to well established users
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body (99): What web apps can be used to create logos such as this one? by lee sedge on webapps.SE
 
IIIIII remembr that elsewhere
and no, not recycle
anyway. to bed with me
try not to set the tavern on fire. Or to drink all the ale.
 
@JourneymanGeek what about the whiskey?
 
playing with matches
 
2:39 PM
we'll be fine, Shog's phone just joined ;)
 
What?
 
back
@apaul there is an assumption that smartphone automatically joins chat rooms on some interval.
I don't think so, but... who knows. :)
 
I think "What?" was a follow-up to their previous message
 
@AndrasDeak oh oops
 
@AndrasDeak this
 
2:41 PM
If Shog is reading everything since his last visit I'm afraid we won't see him for looooooong time......
 
he's also on vacation so ssssh
 
1000 messages? Maybe more...
@AndrasDeak I think we kind of ruined it... lol
 
@ShadowWizard If I was Shog I'd write an automated test that randomly joins and leaves channels in 30-45m intervals continuously. Then I'd leave it running constantly.
 
@Mgetz hey, there are teens here! Don't get us all arrested. ;)
 
use a nice random in there to keep everybody guessing
 
2:42 PM
@JourneymanGeek it shouldn't. This is a huge opportunity - I don't think I've ever seen folks at SO care about social media (in general, that is) OR the hnq lists so much before. Obviously the reason ain't great, but as long as no one gets hurt it's a great chance to get stuff done.
 
That was fast.
 
We were trying not to ping him too
 
Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Beetlejuice
 
@Shog9 more that SE is that short of people
 
@Mgetz well, even joining and leaving in same instant cause the user to be pingable so can't be missed. :)
 
2:43 PM
@ShadowWizard only if they have messages in the past week or two; right?
 
That's how I caught @Quill lurking yesterday. :D
 
@JourneymanGeek that... Shouldn't be news...
 
@AndrasDeak no. Ever. :)
 
@ShadowWizard Oh this was a "Phantom Shog" bot idea that's all
 
And totally this is an opportunity to hopefully turn a few things around
 
2:43 PM
It's slowly getting better. We're hiring...
 
@Shog9 yes and no
 
Even if someone posted 10 years ago, left, return after 10 years, leave in same instant.... they'll be pingable for whole 7 days.
 
Emphasis on "slowly", but beats the alternative direction...
 
@ShadowWizard I see, thanks
 
2:44 PM
@Shog9 quite
 
@Shog9 that's a rephrase of what Jeff said. The end justifies the means. No?
You two have some things in common, I like it. :)
 
You can't cut 20% and recover from that quickly. You lose a TON of institutional knowledge. Both in the cuts and in what follows
 
Wes
I thought Jeff had retired.
 
It's still a bit of a surprise to how bad it got
 
@Wes sure he did, but he still care for his "baby".
 
2:45 PM
wow, 20% is a lot
Jeff who?
 
Ya. I've seen what that does. Not pretty
 
But, with care you can rebuild better that what was
 
jeff atwood, cofounder of SO, no longer in the company as of many years ago
 
@AndrasDeak wait.. you're really new? Sorry not used to it in Tavern. Jeff Atwood.
 
2:46 PM
@ShadowWizard not what I'm saying. More, "when life gives you lemons..."
 
For some reason my base assumption is everyone here are veteran. lol
 
Wes
@AndrasDeak Not here enough to know if thats a Joke Sarcasm or genuine question
 
@AndrasDeak Atwood. Dude co-founded the network and laid a lot of the foundation for what SE is now.
 
sorry, my bad
Good to see that Jeff becoming an unperson has been made official. We have always been at war with Eurasia, after all. I hope all signs of untruths that claim otherwise will be swiftly flagged away. — Andras Deak Oct 9 at 0:01
 
Hyperbole
 
2:47 PM
Anyway to bed with me :p
 
Wait... was I just trolled?! glaring
:P
 
But I will catch up in the morning
 
No no no, I don't troll. Just forget that people here don't know me :) Sorry about that
 
@Shog9 add tons of sugar and make then into yummy juice?
 
I was thinking floor cleaner.
 
Wes
2:48 PM
@AndrasDeak I don't think that actually it was meant as a bad troll.
 
I do like 7up Lime.
 
Wes
@ShadowWizard Here nearly all drinks have sweetner as well as sugar
 
@JourneymanGeek flagging as... something... ;)
 
Lemon Meringue pie mic drops
 
Wes
why not have less sweet drinks.
 
2:49 PM
@ShadowWizard either/or. Lemons have tons of uses, even if not very good out of hand
 
Muhito is with lemon, right?
 
@ShadowWizard lime
 
What's the difference?
 
Make good use of what you have instead of wishing for what you don't. Even if all you have is drama and angst, that can still be useful.
 
2:50 PM
Pluralization bugs are legit bugs and Jeff's response wasn't Nice. Deprecation is appropriate.
 
@ShadowWizard Significantly different citrus fruits?
 
Wow, those nails...
 
@Wes that's awful! Both chemicals and sugar.... :(
@AndrasDeak no worry. Now we know you! :P
 
They look like candy corn.
 
Wes
I know its just wrong.
 
2:50 PM
uh oh :P
 
A lime (from French lime, from Arabic līma, from Persian līmū, "lemon") is a hybrid citrus fruit, which is typically round, green in color, 3–6 centimetres (1.2–2.4 in) in diameter, and contains acidic juice vesicles.There are several species of citrus trees whose fruits are called limes, including the Key lime (Citrus aurantifolia), Persian lime, kaffir lime, and desert lime. Limes are a rich source of vitamin C, sour and are often used to accent the flavours of foods and beverages. They are grown year-round. Plants with fruit called "limes" have diverse genetic origins; limes do not form ...
 
Lemon oil is a chemical too... Just ask whoever is suing lacroix
 
@Mgetz but... name... sounds the same...
blush
 
@ShadowWizard and yet the taste is completely different
 
Wes
@Shog9 isn't everything technically made of of chemicals?
 
2:51 PM
@Mgetz thought they just add different amounts of sugar.
@Wes not me. Pure magic.
 
@ShadowWizard lol
 
Wes
Is water counted a chemical.
 
Wizard, after all.
Sometimes Wiz Ard... still...
 
@Wes only if they sound sufficiently chemically. Otherwise they're all natural and no amount can ever hurt you
 
@ShadowWizard no if you see the link a lime is closer genetically to an Orange and Citron than a true lemon
 
2:52 PM
 
@Mgetz hmm... fine. Thanks! :D
 
@Wes dihydrogen monoxide is deadly even in small quantities
 
@ShadowWizard Have you ever had Key lime pie?
 
Wes
Water intoxication, also known as water poisoning, hyperhydration, overhydration, or water toxemia is a potentially fatal disturbance in brain functions that results when the normal balance of electrolytes in the body is pushed outside safe limits by excessive water intake. Under normal circumstances, accidentally consuming too much water is exceptionally rare. Nearly all deaths related to water intoxication in normal individuals have resulted either from water-drinking contests, in which individuals attempt to consume large amounts of water, or from long bouts of exercise during which excessive...
 
@AndrasDeak At high velocity, when extremely pure, or at temperature extremes usually
 
2:54 PM
@apaul something something Cave Johnson
 
@Mgetz lol! Good one. ;)
 
@Mgetz or when applied to the lungs
 
But we are not actually using the Jewish Calendar in actual life in Israel.
Mainly to keep track of holidays. :)
 
@ShadowWizard it'll be more fun for Japan as they'll never actually get to that year based on how their date system works
 
@Mgetz nope. Just apple pies, chocolate pies..... yummy.... ;)
 
2:55 PM
@ShadowWizard Oh I know, my bar mitzvah was in Adar II because of that... because of the lunar nature of that... you could say it's a bit... loony
@ShadowWizard you know cactus ice cream?
 
@Shog9 Today I learned...
 
@Mgetz niet
Enlighten me plz. ;)
 
trying to think of the name in hebrew because you eat more of it than we do
either way... if you ever find yourself able to try key lime pie... do so
 
@Mgetz like February 29th
 
it's basically a key lime flavored custard
 
2:57 PM
Wait.. what?! Thought you're from India... lol
 
@ShadowWizard Colorado, I'm within driving distance of Shog
 
Maybe because your name is almost same as @Magisch. :/
M, g, etc.
lol
 
FWIW "Getz" is Yiddish for the person who does upkeep on the temple
 
@Mgetz next time when he's not around and we need him, go and fetch him, will ya? :P
 
and the M stands for a very hebrew name
 
2:58 PM
@Mgetz huh! I had no idea.
@Mgetz Moshe?
That's the name of my grandfather. :)
 
@ShadowWizard isn't Magisch German...?
 
Was... passed away at 99 and 10 months.
 
@ShadowWizard oddly no think more in the line of angels
 
@AndrasDeak pretty sure he's from India, and moved to Germany at some point.
 
oooooh
 
2:59 PM
People relocate a lot. :D
 
@ShadowWizard first time I heard this!?
 
@Somewhat really?? Wait... maybe I got it wrong? looking
 
@Magisch feedback requested ^ :P
 
@ShadowWizard I said driving distance I didn't say close driving distance... based on traffic it'd take at least an hour if not two
 
@AndrasDeak hmm... I was wrong. I just saw him mention India a lot and made wrong assumptions, as I make too often. Sorry!
At least it's not gender mistake.... o_O
 
3:02 PM
yeah, she wouldn't like that
 
add A/S/L card in chat. :P
 
ASL plz?
 
40/M/Israel
:D
 
Hmm
 
I thought everyone here was Dutch
 
3:03 PM
See? No mistakes can happen this way. :D
 
TMI, but.. okay...
 
@ShadowWizard The answer is always 40/M/(name investigative service in questioning person's country) in a van across the street
 
@Somewhat Well, you can find my real name with couple of clicks and think I even shared my address somewhere on chat, so.... too late for that. :)
 
regardless of actual truth
 
That'll end badly.
 
3:05 PM
Wait... did I hear it?
 
@AndrasDeak yes, we rule ..
 
@JourneymanGeek whoa... thanks!
See? It was loud enough to reach me that far away. :D
 
@ShadowWizard Old/Flower/Garden
 
gee, thanks!
 
yw
 
3:06 PM
Now add that command to @Kenny and we're good. :P
(not asl, the command I asked for in Den ;))
 
@ShadowWizard i'm german
I was born around 800m from where I'm living at now
 
@Shog9 for what it's worth... if you consider taking someone from the inside.. take @Journeyman. I doubt you'll find someone more suitable. :)
 
@rene alternatively Unknown/Flowy/Undertale
 
@Magisch oh lol... thanks!
 
I know a bunch of indians though
 
3:09 PM
Yeah you mentioned coworkers in India, so I assumed...
 
@ShadowWizard That applies to most people in tech
I have co-workers in almost every country on the globe
 
True, even for me! I worked with someone from India for a while. That makes me even more dumb. lol
(i.e. should have known better than assume. :))
 
I almost misinterpret that sentence...
 
@ShadowWizard are you sure you are not from India?
 
haha
checking location
 
3:11 PM
my family is also mostly from germany
 
after all every sixth person is Indian and there's a lot of us here
 
That's where I am, sort of. :D
 
Yitzhak is the same name as Isaac, right?
 
@AndrasDeak it's the root yes
 
3:13 PM
thanks
 
You went far though. lol
I go to Tzur Yitzhak sometimes, there is great jahnun and malawach shop there. :D
Maybe ship too? Never checked. lol
 
I meant the highway right next to you :P
 
ohhh lol
wait... right! We call it only "Road 6"
Very rarely using the official name.
 
yeah, we have a bunch of roads like that
 
All main roads in Israel are known more by their number.
1 to 9 are taken.
 
3:16 PM
none of our highways have names though
 
Ours do, but usually not used.
With not-so-many highways, it's easy to find names for all, I guess.
I miss the no-speed-limit roads in Germany, though I wasn't sure when I was on one, so limited myself to 120. (km/h)
If there's no speed limit sign on the road, it means there's no speed limit? @Magisch
(Now I'll use you as source for info about Germany! ;))
(i.e. in most roads it clearly says 100 even when 100 is the default)
 
Jun 21 at 21:42, by πάντα ῥεῖ
Unless there's a speed limit, you can go at any (Ludicrous) speed at German freeways:
 
"they've gone to plaid"
 
@Somewhat yeah, when on those roads people drove like crazy.
but since I wasn't 100% sure... limited myself. :(
New poll after the epic failure of a/s/l: what's the fastest speed you ever drove? No worry, police is not monitoring this room. :D
 
not yet driving...
 
3:22 PM
@ShadowWizard They are likely to all disappear soon due to truck drivers not following the law
 
@ShadowWizard depends
on the freeways, yes
if there's no speed limit sign you can go as fast as you like
you'll still be liable if you go ridiculously fast and crash into someone, though
 
@Mgetz what law? there's no limit... ?
@Magisch lol, sure.
My highest is 150 when I was 21 y/o.... chased a bus so my g/f won't be late to army.
 
there's really no practical reason to set a firm speed limit on a mostly straight well built uncongested freeway
 
We woke up late, she missed the bus and... well... we chased it outside the town.
It had a stop not long after, so it ended well.
Other than that, calm 120 on "road 6" which is considered slow.
 
@ShadowWizard So there are rules about when you can pull into the overtaking lane etc. Truck drivers primarily from the east which never had unrestricted autobahn flout those rules
 
3:28 PM
@ShadowWizard if I could hire people, I'd have hired you all already.
...And then fired some of you. You know who you are.
 
and thus restrictions are placed so that their bad behavior doesn't kill people
@Shog9 and that's why I never applied
 
@Mgetz oh.. that's bad.
@Shog9 hehe... but you can poke those who can hire with some sharp sticks. That's a lot. :)
 
@Shog9 because you can?
 
The germans are a practical people, and have sent warnings to the truckers for years that this would likely happen. In practice most "unrestricted" sections are "variably restricted" in actual practice. Which means they have restrictions at peak hours or heavy traffic times.
 
No sharp sticks. Just sharp words
 
3:30 PM
Even better. ^
Well, someone in SE decided to hire Catija. This same someone can decide to hire another regular of this room, with some persuasion if needed. :D
but seriously... Journeyman has the patience of the most patient CM and a way to make people listen. And understand. And he got buttons that better not be pushed. Can't ask for more. :-D
And with that, I'm out again. Cya!
One last thing... @Shog are you now back in Tavern? (I mean... you know.)
 
@Shog9 hey!
 
hiring someone specifically just to fire them?
 
Like, the acceptance letter ends with: "you're fired".
 
nah gotta make them give and work notice first, leave, stay for 2 weeks, then fire
 
3:51 PM
It's not actually evil if you let them know ahead
job description: JSW scapegoat
 
@ShadowWizard in a certain sense, aren't we all just stopping in briefly on our way somewhere else?
 
Ashes to ashes / dust turns to dust / some stay with Java / some switch to Rust
 

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