@JourneymanGeek It's possible. I sometimes work Fridays feeling just a little off but thinking it's not bad enough to call in sick.. and then feel miserable on Saturday
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they have PM's and PO's for everything now, and these managers determine the priorities. Couple that with the fact that many employees aren't interested in meta feedback to begin with because it's so negative, and now with the confirmation that meta doesn't work as a whole, it just means "Yeah we did this in flagrant disregard of our core userbase, and we'll continue to, adjust your expectations accordingly"
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Meta has nuance and space to elaborate your point well, and the active users of the site congregate there. Twitter is a perpetual trashfire at the best of times
Without meta SE is just like any company without a real support forum and no way to reach it. Bugs will not be fixed, new features added only as planned and user feedback will be something from the history.
That's their full right... and even if they keep it just for useless discussions that will never result in actual actions of the team, I'm not planning to stick around.
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and this is finally the point when they realised that, well, its basically at the point where they can't assume that folks will go "eh, it will get better after the next madcap scheme"
@Magisch the irony of the special relationship is, as a userbase we're too nice to go "y'all have done goofed" until its really late
@Magisch Meh. If that blog is to be believed, Jon now realises, in retrospect, that the first signs were there, at that moment. At least, that's how I remember reading it.
I don't think anyone would have made a stink if they'd responded something like "These questions might not be sexist, you just took the titles out of context. But that lacking context is a good point, we'll look into it"
for all my whining and whinging and complaining I'll probably still stay here because the rest of the internet is a trash fire and I'll take just a fire over that
if 150 decide enough is enough and they'll leave unless SE acquiesces to change their ways, I guarantee you a decision is made to cave in at an emergency meeting that very day
as a collective, y'all have the power to end the company at any point
@ShadowWizard Its worth remembering - there's never any guarentee that a bug report, FR or even pull request would be accepted anywhere
The most we can expect that it gets considered
hmm
Actually a better way to put it is, once the buck stopped with Jeff. Those were big shoes to fill, but I'm sure Jeff didn't accept every FR that came his way (and he quietly impliemented one I asked for, the scamp).
Likewise, the buck now stops with the PM.
So for Q&A, SO Corp trusts Joe to do the right thing.
And sometimes that right thing can be what we ask for. Sometimes not. Sometimes, Its not what folks think it is
(sigh I really am part of the problem arn't I? ;p)
@AndrasDeak Dear SE: I don't use adblock. I use UMatrix. Move those ads on your network and I will see them. Just remember that this will also mean that you are responsible for any damage and or malvertising campaign those ads can cause (not that you shouldn't be responsible for that anyway to be fair...). Until that day, sorry. I trust you to not be trying to run a bitcoin miner on my machine. I don't trust your shifting list of ads providers/domains.
I mean, I know as much as you do. They'd basically made a big bet on careers (though I didn't realise how big a bet that was until they announced the restructring).
I don't know. If someone had posted on meta, people may have gone 'yeah, not okay' and done something soon too. It's happened before, it's not unlikely to happen again?
@JourneymanGeek as it used to work in the past. Someone submit a bug report and a dev replies "Thanks, we're on it" or "Sorry, not going to fix that". Someone submits a serious feedback about some major change and asking to make some big changes, and CM replies "thanks, we'll consider this" or "Sorry, it won't happen because [reasons here]". Yes, it requires time and efforts and more work... but direct contact with the customer base is, or should be, priceless.
@Magisch I agree that meta is 'less threatening'. But that's because meta is more 'in context'? Perhaps if that tweet was made on meta, or perhaps even just in this very chatroom... I think it would still have gotten the same reaction, only people wouldn't be mad 'cause twitter'
To be honest, yes, I agree that Meta is not working (as it's supposed to be). Comment at 5, upvote at 15, downvote at 100, then add association bonus for most of us. It will be core users downvoting casual user's critique, and those who don't have privilege will be left alone, cannot supporting their critique...
we're all unpaid volunteers, the experts SE cherishes are usually ridiculously expensive when contracted to do work. The sheer dollar value they continue to donate to SE for free is mind boggling
@JourneymanGeek That... shouldn't be too difficult? I've worked retail. One of the things you get taught is to always be nice, even to your non-paying customers (the ones that don't buy anything that time round) as you don't want your store to be known as 'the one that's only nice to you as long as you pay'
@JourneymanGeek Perhaps not, but you do want to be that place where someone can come rushing in with a toddler that's nearly peeing their pants and say 'the toilets are over there'.
we can spend days pontificating about what should be done, fact is, nobody from SE reads this, even if they did, they're probably a CM with little lever in the company
@JourneymanGeek Being nice doesn't mean e.g. staying open past closing time because someone in a scooter decided to drop in at 5 minutes to close and demands time to browse the store. Being nice does mean not closing the doors on the elderly lady that's using the seats at your shop because she's exhausted but her taxi cab isn't coming, and helping her make the necessary phone calls.
@Magisch nah, we can keep ranting here and suggest awesome ideas, but we need to realize that's all it is: empty rants and ideas that will never reach their destination. Personally, ranting sometimes feels good and lower the anger/frustration. :)
