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The cool thing being a conscious and professional software developer is that you have to deal with all possible problem domains. Including Life, the Universe and Everything.

Fabby

(sorry for the dual ping: spelling error)

@πάνταῥεῖ That's why I went from Chemistry to Software development.

:-)

Shadow Wizard

7:52 PM

@Fabby wrong! :D

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Well, I'm doing financial software ATM. But I've been already learning a lot about telecommunications, travel industry, TV broadcasting and all kinda stuff.

Fabby

@ShadowWizard I have cookies disabled everywhere except sites I trust and it won't let me in...

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My next job will be to find the right question for "42" using a network of RaspPi's :3

Fabby

@πάνταῥεῖ Don't!

Then I won't be able to answer 42 any more to any dumb question!

;-) :-) ;-)

Shadow Wizard

> Scientifically speaking, gold is chemically inert, meaning it won’t break down during digestion. “Most likely edible gold won’t be absorbed from the digestive system into the bloodstream, and therefore it will pass through the body and eliminated as waste,” Sass explains. “But this may depend on the size, amount, and frequency consumed.”

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7:54 PM

Why not specifically? Douglas has gone so far to answer unfortunately :-/

Fabby

@ShadowWizard :D :D :D

Shadow Wizard

:D

Fabby

It will pass through your digestive tract all right, but it will be mixed up in said "waste" ...

Shadow Wizard

@Fabby but it will still be gold!

Fabby

It won't smell of roses...

(unless you wash it with rosewater...)

πάντα ῥεῖ

7:56 PM

@Fabby Well, I am wearing T-shirts to frighten PM's attending to me. Give me a minute, I'll post pics.

Fabby

But we all agree it'll still remain gold.

@πάνταῥεῖ Really? Then I'm your worst nightmare:

I'm a PM, but I've been a developer, SysEng, NetEng, DBA, Storage Admin, Exchange Admin, System Architect, Linux Admin, Windows Admin, DCOps, IT Manager

aka Technical Project Manager

@πάνταῥεῖ So I would be surprised any T-shirt scaring me off!

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Here's one of my favs:

Fabby

@πάνταῥεῖ Some people have a sense of humour, fewer a sense of irony, even fewer a sense of sarcasm, and I've got a great sense of satire!

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shadow chaos-emerald-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308860/… as duplicate of meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2786/…

Fabby

@πάνταῥεῖ Let me find the one I used as a DBA

πάντα ῥεῖ

8:04 PM

And here's another one (they're really scared about that):

Fabby

I used to have that one but 'management' instead of ' users'

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

errorwear.com

Fabby

@πάνταῥεῖ that is a great one!

πάντα ῥεῖ

And sometimes I let them left totally confused with my very own designs:

Fabby

@πάνταῥεῖ :D:D :D

Wow! Really your own design?

πάντα ῥεῖ

8:08 PM

Yup

Fabby

Impressed.

Shadow Wizard

Me2 ^

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I believe I could get some revenue with this, but actually I prefer it's individual and unique for me :3

Shadow Wizard

I only have a shirt with "F*ck Google, Ask Me", I got as a gift few years ago.... :D

@πάνταῥεῖ so sell it on SE to friends only! :P

πάντα ῥεῖ

Interested? ;)

Would be 30,0 EUR without shipping cost

Shadow Wizard

8:12 PM

Not cheap!

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But exclusive

I'll not publish that stencil. I took some significant work about it.

Searching the appropriate Koala pic, creating a stencil from that one.

If I order that tee at shirtinator I'll have to charge about ~26 EUR there.

Well, left a revenue of 4,0 EUR for me. Would you think that is unfair?

Well, I friend of mine has a hobby porous printing lab. If I'd ask him we could probably make a serial production, and lower the price.

But exclusivity would suffer from that ...

Fabby

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@Fabby Comparably lame ;)

Fabby

@πάνταῥεῖ totally unoffensive

He's just saying that shit sounds like sheet

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Black proneness of the word shit as a sheet. Quite often you can hear in the video from the ghetto and similar places.

Fabby

8:23 PM

you see?

offensive in English, not in Russian

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Seems so

Don't let me repeat U.S. president Trump about their opinion of some countries in the world :3

Fabby

That would be equivalent to:
Wenn ich "shy" sehe, denke ich an Scheiße

(well, more or less)

Smoke! BRB

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I am not "shy" gracefully ;)

@Fabby Are you privileged with smokey? Feel free to join please. Ask @rene or one of the other RO's if not yet.

πάντα ῥεῖ

8:50 PM

@Fabby LOL, looking at your profile, mentioning CP/M, really qualifies you being a greybeard. We had that at school. What's your age? (If I am allowed to ask such intimate data (I have a GDPR compliance, if you require me to send it)).

Mgetz

@πάνταῥεῖ We used to threaten people with endorsing them for VB6 on linkedin

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Sorry for the triple ping

@Mgetz Did you ever see a "Blue Screen of Death" at an ATM machine?

That was a compliment, if not an accolade!

Not to mention there are still ATM's based on these kernels out in the wild nowadays.

@Mgetz There's not much room to threaten me regarding professional things of any kind.

Fabby

@πάνταῥεῖ Only the EU Gov'mnt cares about GDPR. Most citizens don't

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@πάνταῥεῖ I did

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I've seen wrong silicon that was bought in terms of thousands, just for being the "cheaper deal". Plz don't extrapolate such failures for the currently running world wide politics.

@Fabby I guessed such, I'm going to get 54 in a few days.

Fabby

@πάνταῥεῖ Are you saying current global politics is actually a good thing?

@πάνταῥεῖ i just turned 51 a few weeks ago.

πάντα ῥεῖ

9:04 PM

@Fabby Did I? Deals is the completely wrong approach IMO.

Fabby

Well, we know communism failed, we know capitalism failed twice already, socialism in the EU is failing ...

Fascism failed miserably, ...

So we need something else...

Mithrandir

@πάνταῥεῖ y'all are ancient :D

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Anarchy is the thing to go about. I recommend to listen for people like Noam Chomsky, Grady Booch, his Holiness the 14 Dalai Lama and such.

Fabby

@πάνταῥεῖ I'm a moderate anarchist.

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@Mithrandir And worth to be listened at ...

Mithrandir

9:07 PM

@πάνταῥεῖ We'll see. ;)

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I appreciate youth, +

I don't want to bother younger people. How could I? My step daughter (15 tomorrow) would rip off my nuts.

Fabby

@Mithrandir Yup. We're older than half a century, which makes us old farts.

@Mithrandir so how green are you?

Mithrandir

@Fabby Not quite 16.

@πάνταῥεῖ yeah... might be best to avoid that imagery here

Fabby

@Mithrandir Why?

She's German, of course she would!

>:-)

Mithrandir

@Fabby ya know, something about the line about "Avoid vulgar terms and anything sexually suggestive." in Be Nice and meta.stackexchange.com/q/309645/294691

Fabby

9:12 PM

When we were kids, we were brought up with the ultimate freedom of speech when you could still yell "fire!" in a movie theatre and not go to jail for it... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@Mithrandir ----^

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@Fabby Well, ole farts with motorcycles and all kinda cool things though ;-)

Fabby

We're nice... just not native English speakers.

Mithrandir

I'd put on my mod hat, but I'm already wearing it.

Fabby

As English is only my third or fourth language, depending on how you count, nothing is insulting, vulgar, ...

Martin James

Fabby

9:15 PM

@Mithrandir :D Good one! :thumbsup!:

Martin James

Not quite a BSOD, but you try and get any cash out....:) Taken at my local Tesco.

John Dvorak

Windows XP :-(

Mithrandir

@Fabby I mean... I am, quite literally, wearing my mod hat :)

Fabby

@Mithrandir When we were kids, freedom of speech went together with freedom not to listen.

Mithrandir

@Fabby <insert XKCD about freedom of speech>

Fabby

9:16 PM

Yeah, you're a chat mod...

I'm always extremely careful about judging people as I've seen too many people misjudged in my life...

Catija

OK... well... if you want someone older and with a RO hat and a mod hat... I'm asking you to listen. Because Mith is right.

Fabby

Right about what? That we're not being nice?

@Mithrandir Or you made a joke I misinterpreted...

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Well, you may wear "hats" of all kind, and we ole farts might become accommodate with that.
We've already been "toggling the GPIO pins"

Catija

It's not about "being nice" you're being told by someone else that that sort of content is making someone uncomfortable and instead of saying "sorry, won't do that again" you're doubling down and defending it.

Fabby

Let me google "doubling down"

BRB

Mithrandir

9:19 PM

Not that you're not being Nice; that in this particular corner of the 'net, it's probably best to keep such imagery out.

@Fabby Indeed.

Martin James

@JohnDvorak Somewhere I have a pic of an airport display with all the arrival/departure times displayed as 'NaN' :)

Fabby

@Mithrandir Please explain...

Catija

Mods have literal hats that we're sent as part of being a moderator.

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I am doing my best to be helpful. And as mentioned my step daughter helps me a lot to keep all that political correctness.

John Dvorak

@Catija photo?

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9:21 PM

@Catija Yeah, cool swag

Catija

@JohnDvorak See my top scoring MSE answer.

Mithrandir

@Fabby SE mods are sent a hat when they become mods. I was joking about "putting on my mod hat" - i.e., enforcing the rules - but that I'm already literally wearing the hat.

Catija

Fabby

@Mithrandir I get it now!!!!

John Dvorak

Thanks

Fabby

9:21 PM

(djeez I'm stupid.

@Mithrandir thanks for explainging that.

John Dvorak

nice!

Mithrandir

@Fabby nah, you're not stupid. it was a slightly cryptic joke for those who don't know me.

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@Mithrandir On the other hand I sometimes feel offended by "ageism". That's the wrong turn as well (I could even flag you for that reply)

Fabby

@Mithrandir@Catija If I would like to explain where I'm coming from and post a picture of an actual product that is sold in the country where I was born but that contained the same word as was deemed offensive, would that be offensive too?

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Highly intelligent people should try to discuss at a peer to peer level, regardless of age, gender, color of skin or other minorizing matters!

Fabby

9:26 PM

Catija

It's not the word "nuts" to mean testicles... (at least, not for me)... it's the concept of a 15-year-old girl ripping off said nuts in retribution, even if metaphorical.

Fabby

@πάνταῥεῖ Thank you.

above is a picture of an actual product of a chocolate bar that contains whole hazelnuts.

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@Catija I meant my balls, but well ...

Fabby

Sigh ---^ not helping...

@Catija What I wanted to ...

Mithrandir

In my experience, people focus too much on certain "words" being deemed taboo. While that's true in some cases, usually it's not so much the words themselves but the concept or image being conveyed.

Fabby

9:29 PM

So post ing the above picture to explain that certain words are not offensive at all to me is fire?

(or is that taking it too far too)

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There's a lot of taboos here, and in other appearance in the interwebz public. I had to learn that the hard way.

Mithrandir

@Fabby What? I'm not sure what you mean.

Fabby

I might be old, but like I said: English it only my third or fourthe language depening on how you count...

What I was trying to convene...

(apparently unsuccessfully)

John Dvorak

I've once posted a picture of great tits (the birds) and got shouted at and threatened with a flag.

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People can't see you (I mean your real personality) with a message restricted to 140 unicode characters.

Fabby

9:31 PM

@Mithrandir .. is that where I come from hardly anything is offensive...

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@JohnDvorak Tits are lovely birds :3

John Dvorak

they are

Fabby

@JohnDvorak I have to google that aw well.

no clue what bird you're talking about

BRB

@JohnDvorak Cute!

Is it the one with the black head or the blue head or both?

Ah!

Found it already!

Mithrandir

@Fabby Sure. But here on SE specifically, we generally expect users to recognize that certain things are offensive to people.

Fabby

Thank you for mentioning you're offended by that word in that context.

I will not use that in that context.

Mithrandir

9:34 PM

Again... not the word.

Fabby

You said context is important

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Some of my points, regarding to appeal myself as being an "anarchist", is the need to break over taboos to teach others how to open their minds.

Fabby

@Mithrandir So not in that context (Note: I never used it in that context) but still allowed as in the picture above...

Mithrandir

The imagery of a 15-year-old girl mutilating her stepfather would generally be considered less than appropriate in most contexts that I'm familiar with. That's all.

Catija

Yep.

Mgetz

9:35 PM

@πάνταῥεῖ I'm guessing you have a COBAL language endorsement

@πάνταῥεῖ nope

Fabby

So if I'd like to point out that the Belgians have no clue at all why that product doesn't sell well outside of Belgium, I'm still allowed the post that picture, right?

John Dvorak

Would it still be appropriate to (for example) ask on Skeptics whether such case of mutilation has happened as per a popular story?

Fabby

@Catija Thanks! :-)

Mithrandir

@JohnDvorak Probably.

Fabby

@Mithrandir Are you a native English speaker?

Mithrandir

9:37 PM

Yes.

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I've got a few decades left now to transfer what I've learned throughout. That seems to be a though (but still important) job to get that done without bothering anyone.

Fabby

How many other languages do you speak?

Catija

@Fabby For what? I'm agreeing with Mith.

Fabby

@Catija Wrong ping

Mithrandir

@Fabby 1, for 2 total. I don't see how that's relevant, though.

Catija

9:38 PM

Ah. OK.

Fabby

Sorry I wanted to reply to @Mithrandir thanks!

:-)

@Mithrandir Are both your native languages?

If not, it is relevant because you don't know the weight of words in the other language

E.g. "Bonne femme" in French means "Good woman" (literally) but is pejorative...

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@Mgetz Not really. I learned COBOL at school, but ever hated that shit. If I'd really had dig into that I could have a Villa beneath the lake, a Yacht, pretty women and 120 grandchilds ;-)

Fabby

@Mithrandir Do you see the relevance now?

Catija

@Fabby This isn't about you not knowing the weight of the words. We don't expect everyone to know them in every situation. The problem is that when it's pointed out that it's problematic, saying "oh, I didn't know that" is the right choice, not saying "it's not offensive".

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@Fabby The language of our minds is the really relevant one. Google translate does most of the other things nowadays ;)

Fabby

9:42 PM

@Catija I never used that word in that context only pointed out it was not offensive to me is alll i did.

Mithrandir

I know that words can have drastically different "strengths" in different languages - calling someone a "maniac" here is a very serious insult. That's not relevant here, though, after you've been informed as to why what you said wasn't great here.

Mgetz

@πάνταῥεῖ yeah that pays supervillan money

Fabby

I didn't say anything, only that I was not offended.

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@Mithrandir In other words, don't mind the "anarchists", just listen. They're good for you.

Mithrandir

That's great! Not being offended is a good skill. That doesn't negate the inappropriateness of certain things for certain contexts, however.

Fabby

9:44 PM

I get that, so thank you for taking the patience to teach an old dog new tricks.

I hope that the young pup has learned a few new tricks too...

:-) ;-) :-)

Shog9

I like having Fabby here. Classes up the place.

Kevin B

🚽

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@Fabby I am glad to have my step daughter as a teacher.

Shog9

Unlike KevinB

Fabby

Hi Shog9

Shog9

9:45 PM

with his toilet emojis

Fabby

And I don't know how to interpret your statement...

Shog9

I'm not prone to subtlety

Fabby

Needle? Good-humoured?

phew!!!

Thanks!

Shog9

take it at face value unless there's some other amusing interpretation

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Humor is an essential skill!

Fabby

9:46 PM

@Shog9 :D

Some people have a sense of humour, fewer people have a sense of Irony, very few people have a sense of sarcasm and I have a great sense of satire!

So Shog9 shall we talk about me being shamed in public and being on a pillory forever?

Or not a good day to talk about that?

(Everyone has one of those days every once in a while...)

Kevin B

i hate how when you reach rep cap you stop getting notified of upvotes

Fabby

@KevinB Meta question???

Shog9

@Fabby I mean...

I don't feel like talking

but that's not unsual

if you wanna talk, go ahead

Fabby

Kevin, I hate it when people downvote my posts and don't leave a comment...

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Satire and sarcasm are one of the most narrow channels to reach a bigger audience. That's just one essential experience for me personally.
If they pay for that, well that might be appreciated. Those who don't pay for it, are just likely not to understand it, and will feel offended about it.

Fabby

9:51 PM

@Shog9 :D I'm basically a nice guy...

So are you...

You don't feel like talking?

I'll keep my big mouth shut!

;-) :-) ;-)

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As an hobbyist actor, I've got some experience ...

Mithrandir

@Fabby It's just @TimPost losing his keys again

he really needs to get a better keychain

Shog9

I seem to have a limited number of words I can form in a day. Somewhere in the 2-3K range. No idea why, but I treat them as precious.

Catija

Or one of those RFID things that beep.

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C-Type proms might even accuse you in the public to be "low IQ persons", no matter what.

Mithrandir

9:52 PM

I keep my keys with a knife, so I make sure not to lose 'em.

Fabby

@Shog9 You're US -based so still 6-10 hours to go depending on your TZ

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But I should probably stop to delve in deeper :3

Fabby

@Shog9 Ping me sometime when your word allotment is like reaaally low... ;-)

@Mithrandir Please explain: I understand the individual words, bit have no clue what they mean together...

Sorry! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Catija

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A: Should 'drive by' downvoting be more effectively caught?

The answer was down voted because I lost my keys. Please, stay with me, let me explain this odd chain of events. Earlier today I couldn't get to the store on time because I could not find my keys. That caused me to miss the opportunity to run over a golf ball, which would have bounced between a...

Fabby

Reading...

Because of want for a nail, the kingdom was lost...

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9:58 PM

@Catija In fact I did that at a post yesterday, because I knew the OP for former posts, and hated their attitude to attend the site. I didn't really had the choice for a valid close reason, but all in all their question still looked like that "do my homeworks for me plz" kind of.

Shog9

@Fabby if you're talking about your rep graph, I can pretty much guarantee no one looks at that

Doubly so anyone you'd want to work with

Fabby

I'm not actively looking for a job, but once I start looking for one seriously,

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If anyone is interested, I could publish that particular thing, to get more concrete.

Fabby

I'm considering deleting my account.

(really!)

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C'mon!

Kevin B

10:00 PM

why

Fabby

That's why:

I'm being publicly shamed, nailed to a pillory forever...

(Or maybe I'm exaggerating things, but it's not something I want a future employer ever to look at or find out. I removed my SE flair from LinkedIn already)

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He's doing that again, and I again downvoted (close reason as "no Proofread" happily applies now):

-1

Q: mithilfe+Genitiv OR mithilfe+von+Dativ?

Mithilfe von Wiederholungsanweisungen können wir Summen berechnen. OR Mithilfe der Wiederholungsanweisungen können wir Summen berechnen. ?

Shog9

2630

Fabby

42!

Shog9

That's how many times anyone's rep graph has been viewed in the past 24 hours

Fabby

10:05 PM

Ah!

Shog9

Ignoring another thousand for search engine spiders

Fabby

:D I was wondering what you were trying to say! :-)

I'm not worried about those 2630... I'm worried about the one future employer sees it...

Shog9

that's out of 26 thousand total views for users on SE.com

Fabby

I hear ya...

Shog9

And there are... 13 million accounts on SE.com

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10:07 PM

@Fabby Don't rely on SE reputation attending to possible employers. Regardless of the Jobs features, it's not actually relevant.

Fabby

I'm not relying on that.

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Good so

Fabby

I'm afraid my otherwise excellent CV might be questioned because of this if anyone ever found out.

E.g. I was once called by a head hunter while I was working on a job and they asked for the original copy of my degree

I told them it was kept by a company that I was in litigation with and I could give them an original copy

Eventually the cat came out of the bag:

I once won a competition with the rather famous John C Dvorak...

for creating a fake diploma in PPT format.

so if you googled "my full name diploma" the first hit was:

Really cool fake diploma Pize awarded to: "my full name"

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I never denied my current suspension at SO to my employer, and even addressed that.
It's a frequent source for jokes about me, but nothing more.
They employed me for my skills, and my suspension doesn't even lower me for my "soft" or social skills. May be even just the opposite.

Shog9

the acclaimed / controversial PC Magazine columnist and coiner of the term "perfect dog syndrome" not the John Dvorak who frequents this chatroom and whom I secretly hope starts talking about dogs

Fabby

10:12 PM

The one that said the mouse was going nowhere, yes, that one

Shog9

heh... there was a guy who mastered troll-journalism long before anyone used the Internet

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Mice go about cheese smells ...

Fabby

@Shog9 Just tried googling "perfect dog syndrome" and got zilch

@Shog9 :D :D :D

and still does!

Shog9

@Fabby yeah... I may be the only one acclaiming it. But it was a good term, dammit

Fabby

a while ago, he posted a column "Porn attracts readers" (or something similar containing that word)

one of his most succcessful comumns ever

@Shog9 so? Please explain the perfect dog syndrome?

(if your word allotment allows you to)

>:-)

Shog9

10:15 PM

@Fabby You got a Windows PC that works perfectly? All the built-in Microsoft features function exactly as they do in the marketing materials? You used the Binder app to great effect until they removed it?

Fabby

Smoke! BRB!

Shog9

You have a perfect dog: the sort that sits patiently outside the store, waiting for its master to get done shopping. No one else who sees that will end up with a dog that does this. Their dogs will run away, or bite other customers, or drop a duce on the mat. But your dog is perfect, and your Windows works.

Fabby

Impressed

You should write a short blog post about it...

Asimov thought the word "robotics" just existed...

.. and kept using it.

Shog9

...this was, I suspect, a dig at fellow columnists who would review products with barely-contained excitement, lauding their feature-sets and well-thought-out UIs, in spite of the fact that everyone else who used them suffered from incomplete function and constant BSODs

Fabby

:D :D :D

OK, I really need a smoke!

Shog9

10:18 PM

...now you threw Asimov in and that made me think of Jerry Pournelle. God, I miss those old days of paper magazines and lengthy opinion columns.

Fabby

@Shog9 hey, last ime I looked, Jerre Pournell was still alive and going stronn and still writing columns:

Shog9

Don't look

Fabby

he gathered a bunch of people around him to keep writing his columns and they pay him 1$ a day for the privilege of reading them...

Oh...

Well, John C Dvorak is still around and he still writes columns and has a "News Comedy" podcast

where people donate whatever they want to keep the podcast to continue broadcasting.

He does this with another curmudgeon calld Adam Curry...

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I'm still waiting for Rudy Rucker's imaginations to become real.
We're probably already near that.

Fabby

You really think so?

Anyway, I've got a long day ahead tomorrow, so I'd better get some shuteye...

Good night everyone!

Shog9

10:34 PM

'nite

Fabby

Sweet dreams, salt dreams, sour dreams, bitter dreams, Umami dreams...

Whatever takes your fancy!

:D

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The great thing about _tomorrow_ is my companies summer feast.
We certainly going to be on a rush with cool cocktails, great food and barbecue.
Our CEO is a cool guy to let have that event being realized yearly.

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