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Journeyman Geek

02:37

downvote-and-delvoteplz meta.stackexchange.com/questions/311327/…

Rob

02:49

Quit smoking only 4 weeks ago, and today I just passed $1000 in savings. That number is ridiculous.

Catija

Wow. Congrats!

Rob

Thanks! Still not out of the woods yet.. I've 'quit' many times before. This time though, I don't think I can actually afford to smoke anymore, with the taxes here

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Catija

@JourneymanGeek delete-ready.

Journeyman Geek

thanks

@Rob is that 1k directly off quitting smoking?

Rob

02:53

Yeah

A pack here is $36-40 (AUD), and on average I'd smoke a pack per day

Journeyman Geek

.... ow

1k is about half my take home pay ;p

Rob

Huh, today 1SGD=1AUD exactly

Adam Lear

@Rob Ouch. I thought NYC was bad - my packs run about $15 (which is about $20 AUD)

Rob

@JourneymanGeek What's the average salary there? When I visited, I found Singapore pretty expensive compared to here

Journeyman Geek

@Rob Well depends?

Catija

02:58

... stop smoking! :P

Journeyman Geek

but for a grad, 3-4k

Catija

How was the dinosaur game, @AdamLear ?

Journeyman Geek

I make about 2.8k before mandatory savings scheme (-20%)

Rob

@AdamLear Yeah, they've steadily increased the tax over the years. When I started, it was around $15 per pack. It didn't help though that I moved overseas and heavily upped my smoking where it was around $3 per pack.

Journeyman Geek

but I'm single (for now!) and live with my parents (cause I can't take advantage of the lovely government subsidies as a single first time home ~~leaser~~ owner)

Adam Lear

03:01

@Catija Really neat. It actually licenses a bunch of stuff out of the Jurassic Park/World movies (down to Jeff Goldblum doing some of the voiceovers). In the career mode, you're given an island with some challenges and have to evolve dinosaur species, keep guests happy, etc. It's fun so far.

Journeyman Geek

also I pack lunches and take public transport so...

I save most of what I earn

Rob

Is that savings fund readily accessible? Or is it a retirement fund?

Journeyman Geek

er

kind of the latter

you can invest part of it or use it to help fund an apartment

Catija

@AdamLear Sounds nice!

Somewhat Memorable Name

ugh morning

Rob

03:06

Ah, right. That 2.8k number is pretty close to what I'd expect here for a grad too. However, our retirement (9%) is typically tacked on top, rather than taken after the fact

Journeyman Geek

its a bit opaque and a pain in the ass to actually get funds out of, unless you're using it for pubblic housing

oh, your employer pays a share too

Rob

Though ours is pretty tightly locked away. Inaccessible until you retire or you have extremely extenuating circumstances.

I believe you can tap into some of it when buying your first property, but I don't know all the details

Catija

Does "retire" mean at a specific age or can you retire early?

Journeyman Geek

Central Provident Fund

In Singapore, the Central Provident Fund (CPF; Chinese: 公积金, Pinyin: Gōngjījīn) is a compulsory comprehensive savings plan for working Singaporeans and permanent residents primarily to fund their retirement, healthcare, and housing needs. The CPF is an employment based savings scheme with employers and employees contributing a mandated amount to the Fund. It is administered by the Central Provident Fund Board, a statutory board operating under the Ministry of Manpower which is responsible for investing contributions. == History of CPF == British colonial authorities in Singapore created ...

55

Catija

All of that sounds so foreign to me... har har.

Rob

03:08

It goes by age

It used to be 55, now it's up to 60

Journeyman Geek

> CPF savings can be withdrawn on the following grounds:

Malaysians who are at least 50 years old and residing in West Malaysia.
Anyone who has renounced his citizenship or PR and leaving Singapore and West Malaysia permanently.
Upon death.
Conditional partial withdrawal for those who are certified permanently unfit for work, such as physically or mentally incapacitated.

So

basically you need to die, or ragequit the region

Catija

So if you die, your spouse/heirs/whoever is in your will gets it?

Journeyman Geek

yup

In theory

It can get tied up in red tape

(I might be a bit grumpy - dad tried to withdraw that sum for his operation and.... twas messy)

Catija

:(

Journeyman Geek

But TBH that's kinda money you never think about :p

Until you need it

I don't even know how much I have in there

Catija

03:23

They don't send you any sort of statements on an annual basis or anything?

Journeyman Geek

Yup

Annual

:p

I have it.... Somewhere

lol

Catija

Well, I guess it's not that important at thsi point.

Journeyman Geek

I know it sounds silly but, money's not that important? Especially if you can't actually do anything with it

Well, I don't really spend the money I get to hand either unless I have to, lol

Catija

As long as you stay on your mom's good side and she doesn't make you go get an apartment. :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

That's what I'm apparently saving for

and lol

Catija

03:31

Well, if you find a wife, you can skip the apartment and go straight for the house. :D

Journeyman Geek

She was bugging me to buy a singles apartment

oh, not in singapore

too expensive

Catija

Oh. So the place you were talking about earlier would be an apartment?

Journeyman Geek

Even dual income, and future mrs geek would need to find a job here

yup

Catija

Ah, gotcha. It was unclear.

Journeyman Geek

Housing and Development Board

The Housing & Development Board (Abbreviation: HDB; Malay: Lembaga Pembangunan dan Perumahan; Chinese: 建屋发展局; pinyin: Jiànwū Fāzhǎn Jú; Tamil: வீடமைப்பு வளர்ச்சிக் கழகம்) is the statutory board of the Ministry of National Development responsible for public housing in Singapore. It is generally credited with clearing the squatters and slums of the 1960s and resettling residents into low-cost state-built housing. Today, as many as 82% of Singaporeans live in public housing provided by the HDB. == History == Shortly after achieving self-governance in 1959, Singapore faced a serious problem of housing...

Public housing

Catija

03:32

But it takes two years to get a place? That seems like a long time.

Rob

Wow, 82%?

Journeyman Geek

cause

Build to order (HDB)

Build To Order (abbrev: BTO; Chinese: 预购组屋制度) is a Housing and Development Board (HDB) flat allocation system that offers flexibility in timing and location for owners buying a New HDB flats in Singapore. Eligible buyers planning to shift into a new HDB apartment in the near future, can apply for apartments in their preferred location from specific sites launched. Tender for construction will be called only if the number of applicants is at least 70% of the number of apartments in a specific contract (50% since 2011), otherwise, the project is not built. The waiting time for new flat applicants...

Catija

Oh, but that says four years...

Journeyman Geek

ah

well that then

My friend took 2

._.

i donno yet

Catija

Probably depends on how close to the 70% the building is when you buy in.

Journeyman Geek

03:35

Not really planning that far ahead

;p

ya

or go for the balance 30%

Catija

Yep.

Journeyman Geek

but ehhh

Catija

How do you even pick how many rooms... guess? or is it just based on what you can afford...

Journeyman Geek

soon?

Well, mostly the latter

and you can always upgrade later

My brother bought an older 5 room resale flat

I think 3-4 rooms makes sense?

Catija

But those are more expensive? why?

Journeyman Geek

03:36

better areas and you're paying cash over valuation

Catija

Ah, I see.

Journeyman Geek

Newer HDB flats are mostly in 'new' areas and you're paying market value

+ the subsidies are sometimes better

Catija

So there aren't as many amenities and stuff around as in the older ones?

Rob

How much would a 2 bedroom apartment go for there?

Journeyman Geek

about 80k if its public housing

@Catija those are built in, just further from the city core

about 10x as much if its a condo

but these are 99 year leases

Rob

03:39

What's the difference between a condo and PH?

Catija

Ah... Well, with your current job, city core is less of an issue for work access.

Journeyman Geek

http://esales.hdb.gov.sg/hdbvsf/eampu09p.nsf/0/17AUGBTOSK_page_8557/$file/prici‌ng.html

@Rob quite a lot of money

Rob

Well yeah.. but I mean what's physically different? ;)

Journeyman Geek

+ condo amenities, swimming pools etc

Rob

Ah, gotcha

Journeyman Geek

03:40

oh, the big thing to me is longer leases

condos are on 999 or freehold land

HDB buildings are 99 years

Condos can have better resale value + they are under URA not HDB rules

so you can rent out the whole unit

Catija

The leases are transferable to family, I assume?

Journeyman Geek

@Catija its treated like something you own

the government used to acquire older estates to redevelop, paying market prices to owners but... they seem to have indicated they're moving away from that

So ya, you can transfer it to family, will it to your cat, or sell it

Catija

When it sells, is the lease extended back to 99 for the buyer?

Journeyman Geek

nope

which many people didn't realise until recently

Catija

So some of the leases only have like 30 years left, then...

Journeyman Geek

03:45

well ya

well not really

at worst 50?

Singapore's 50 years old. The modern housing system's from the 60s and 70s

SOME older estates have undergone renewal

Catija

Yeah, I was thinking 60 so that'd be 40 years left... math brain at night isn't great.

Journeyman Geek

(government owns the land, so they buy back the leases, and build new blocks with fresh leases)

also I think I can get most of the grants, except the parent proximity one

(First time homeowner, there's a grant for new builds...)

Rob

Hmm, the prices for the condos pretty much the prices here, then. But we don't really have easy access to PH

Journeyman Geek

yup

alternative is working across the border ;p

Rob

Housing costs in Melbourne are seriously insane. People staying with their parents later and later

Being 30 and living with parents isn't unheard of here

Journeyman Geek

03:49

which would be amusing, but I don't think my job would be happy

lol

I'm 35 34

Rob

Only about half my friends have moved out, I'm 30

Catija

Austin is slowly getting more and more expensive.

Journeyman Geek

sightly over a month to go

Rob

And I pay a stupid amount of rent for a one bedroom apartment

Catija

... I'm older than y'all.

Journeyman Geek

03:51

@Catija well if you own...

@Catija married with a kid though. Yer a responsible adult...

Catija

Well, yeah, we do. But we're still paying the house off.

@JourneymanGeek "responsible" is questionable.

Journeyman Geek

;p

Catija

Also, I'm over half way to having two. :D

Journeyman Geek

lol

I WAS GOING to say one and half ;p

also...

living with parents is a pain

Catija

He's going to be sooooo teeny!

Journeyman Geek

03:52

my dad was annoyed that I wanted to go to sleep at 11 instead of half past 10

and I wanted to catch up on... internet stuff

Catija

Yeah, I'm living with my MIL right now... Andy's at a conference in San Jose.

He's got so much swag to bring home he's probably going to leave some of it in the hotel room because he can't fit it in his luggage.

Journeyman Geek

also, lol

IN A SENSE, I'm kinda my mom's stand in daughter lol

I'm the one who gets dragged along for shopping and such

Catija

Journeyman Geek

(stuff future mrs geek hopefully can handle too ;p)

._.

Catija

It's sweet that you go with her, though.

Journeyman Geek

03:54

Baby swag? ;p

@Catija who else would? ;p

Catija

Yeah, it was weird... one of the companies was giving out onesies.

Journeyman Geek

also my dad's stand in PA

also socks are... kinda the in swag

Catija

He got two more pairs today... so four total.

Rob

A bunch of dev swag.. and a hotsauce bottle? How's that fit in?

Journeyman Geek

its swagsauce

Catija

03:55

The company has the name "sauce" in it, so they gave out hot sauce.

Journeyman Geek

@Catija Most people assume that when you're living with parents, they're taking care of you

Rob

Ah, lol

Journeyman Geek

for me, its a lot of the other way around, just that you don't get any respect at all ;p

Catija

Awww.

Journeyman Geek

Like the latest bit of the brother saga?

I was blunt about "look, don't get too excited, and don't show any weakness"

and parentals were all "what would you know"

but hey, if people listened to me, we wouldn't be in this mess ;)

Catija

03:58

All hail the all knowing JG!

Journeyman Geek

lol

not really

I donno how to get people to listen to me when I'm right ;)

or have any real agency XD. Stuff just happens no matter what I do

So I fret a lot, and let the universe do its thing

Catija

I think that's what they call "life".

Journeyman Geek

lol

Like my most recent thing.

Catija

You didn't even have to wait for the weekend and pester him...

Journeyman Geek

Yup

or well...

"Oh, that friend's daughter accidentally gave the site ID of someone who seems..."

Interesting? ;p

(or how I got this job)

Catija

04:03

Applying for a bunch of stuff and crossing your fingers that something would work out?

Journeyman Geek

and then getting a call for something I didn't even apply for

Catija

Oh, weird.

Applying for jobs is hard.

Journeyman Geek

lol

hence me joking about letting the universe do its thing

but we're not really creatures happy with "predestination"

We kinda want agency and something better XD

and lol

this is why I somehow manage to be a pessimistic bundle of nerves and positive and happy at the same time

Catija

I like flexibility but I'm ok with predestination. :P

Journeyman Geek

oh, If I'm not hippy enough to just let go ;p

also you always have a choice

Catija

04:09

My last job and current one both have the same problem despite being opposites... the schedules are too strict for me.

Journeyman Geek

lol

this job is... boring

except when everything goes wrong

even then, I rely on others to fix things

But I am sure I can manage here for a year and that puts me in a better place

or 2 if I need to

Catija

I'm sure you'll learn how to fix them yourself at some point? Or are you not allowed?

Journeyman Geek

nope

unless I get switched up to L2 apps support

Catija

Ah.

Journeyman Geek

not really the path I want - kinda want to be on the datacentre or sysadmin side if I'm staying in tech

Catija

04:12

Do they have that option somewhere in the chain?

Journeyman Geek

not here

and I might still be keeping an eye on SE in future

but probably will try amazon and google again

Catija

For a CM thing or something more tech?

Journeyman Geek

whatever fits ;p

Catija

It will be interesting to see what they have available next.

I've been looking back at the CM hiring dates and it seems like they haven't hired anyone since mid/late 2015

(based on the blog post)

I went through and read the posts for all of them I could find, though, apparently Abby doesn't have one... or it's not linked to from the CM MSE post.

Journeyman Geek

there's good mobility in SE, but I'm not a dev, and I don't feel technicallly good enough for SRE

ya

But a lot of the new hires seem to be replacements

Abby's ex CHAOS

Pimp Juice IT

04:24

If I want to leave a comment and put a path in a comment to someone but the path has an ending of a backslash and I want it to be backtick quoted and end with the backslash in the quote, how do I make that happen? I've tried double backslash, double backtick, etc. no luck

Catija

I feel like someone I was talking to ... maybe Jon... a few weeks ago was saying that they want to hire CMs who want to stay in the position... they've lost 3-5 or so to other parts of the staff in the last year or so.

Pimp Juice IT

Try this... C:\path\path` or C:\path\path\` or C:\path\path` or C:\path\path`.... wtf

Journeyman Geek

Welcome [Valued Associates That Make Up] CHAOS!

Alex Miller on September 15, 2011

For the past couple months, we’ve had a new team starting up out of our NY office, CHAOS (or if you’re not into that whole brevity thing: Cheerful Helpful Advocates of Stack Exchange). You’ve probably seen them around some of the sites or run into them in one of the chat rooms – but here’s your official introduction:

CHAOS works directly with Joel and me to come up with, and execute on, new ways to promote all of the new SE sites and bring in new users. Looking at the original job posting we put up, you can get a bit of a feel for what they’ll be doing: …

annoyingly, I don't really remember a good chunk of those folks

Pimp Juice IT

I mean "I tried these" above ^^^

Journeyman Geek

@Catija well, that's a bit tricky

Catija

04:27

@JourneymanGeek Ah, that's better.

I've heard of a couple of them but only know Abby.

Rob

@PimpJuiceIT Like thi`s: meta.stackexchange.com/a/192137/300713

Journeyman Geek

You'd need to find someone who gets devs but isn't one, or someone who's a good cultural fit and isn't a dev

@Catija oh, I know Abby, I think Sam was active..

Aarthi was good fun

Catija

Yeah, I've heard of her and... maybe Laura?

Journeyman Geek

(also, half bramin tamil so...)

I remember Laura's mug ;p

Catija

Mug?

Journeyman Geek

04:29

oh

lauren != laura

there was a CM called Laura

had a mug from a british coffee chain

Nog Shine

The left nav post doesn't deserve a negative score :/

Catija

Laura Dobrzynski <<<

Journeyman Geek

Laura, New York, United States

20.2k 4 65 93

Catija

@NogShine People are grumpy. Poor Joe.

Journeyman Geek

yup

ah, was a PM

dang

Good ol days, I guess the network was smaller and easier to wrangle ;)

Catija

04:31

I think I've seen people retweet the CHAOS one on Twitter...

Journeyman Geek

and we saw folks like that more XD

Catija

Oh, they're the same one.

Nog Shine

@Catija half of the dv are from passersby without checking reported bugs and FR's or without even reading question completely.

Pimp Juice IT

@Rob I read that over and tried I think all but I cannot figure out how the heck to simply escape a folder path that ends in backslash in a comment specifically and have it formatted as a backtick formatted like a code sample in a body that is backtick formatted and still show the last backslash.

Catija

@NogShine Pretty much.

Pimp Juice IT

04:32

@Rob Like..... C:\Folder\path\ but that enclosed in backticks in a comment and still have the last backslash show

Catija

Anyway, I should sleep. Have a good day!

Rob

@PimpJuiceIT Like this: C:\Folder\path\. Source

Pimp Juice IT

@Rob Absolutely like that....

If this works.... you are awesome @rob C:\Folder\path\

Rob

;)

Pimp Juice IT

@Rob I guess I did not double backtick the entire path and assumed it was the ending backslash.... thanks man!!

Rob

04:40

No problem

@PimpJuiceIT Was that you?

If it was.. please reverse it. Vote on posts for their content, not as a thanks to their author

user392480

hey guys1

Nog Shine

hello CommunityNodiamond2

user392480

how is your time been?

Shadow Wizard

05:22

Flying by...

Somewhat Memorable Name

05:59

Hammer time...

Magisch

@NogShine I suspect people are still cranky about other stuff

Journeyman Geek

06:40

People are always cranky

John Dvorak

I'm not always cranky

Journeyman Geek

That's what a cranky person would say

Travis J

It's not your fault.

Crankyness is on the rise

John Dvorak

I know it's not. I believe it's in the eye of the dog

Journeyman Geek

dog nose

Travis J

06:45

That's what I drew, a dog nose with a line in it.

John Dvorak

I wonder what a nose can say about what's happening on a computer screen.

Travis J

Noses can't talk, silly.

Somewhat Memorable Name

There's a cranky kong.

rene

07:04

→ 39 messages moved to Chimney

Travis J

If a user was removed and it caused the 200 reputation cap to be missed for a day, even if there had been enough reputation to get passed it, does the extra reputation ever come back?

(from my observation it seems that, no, it doesn't)

Shadow Wizard

@TravisJ smelly

@SomewhatMemorableName you don't have the hammer

Travis J

Stop

(SO chat reference, there is a bot that always goes "HAMMERTIME" if your message ends in stop, or stahp)

Somewhat Memorable Name

Shadow Wizard

@TravisJ that bot trolled a user here once

Travis J

07:14

It is owned by rlemon

Shadow Wizard

HAMMERTIME err.. something like that.

Feb 18 '14 at 2:29, 25 minutes total – 198 messages, 10 users, 8 stars

Bookmarked Feb 18 '14 at 2:54 by ɥʇǝS

@Doorhandle HAMMERTIME!

heh, chat user not synched with site user

Somewhat Memorable Name

better than bjb's !comp

Shadow Wizard

LOL.. just realized that @Doorknob most likely knew exactly what's going on and kept posting "stop" in the end of his messages to troll that poor guy... :D

Travis J

Heh, 8 minutes after he posted his MSE question I was the first to comment on it :P

> Looks like you were running a user script to me.

That transcript is pretty funny though

Too bad no one found the german one with hammerzeit

Shadow Wizard

@TravisJ heh, you keep it bookmarked somewhere?

Travis J

07:23

Yup, that is my goto reference I pull up when anyone asks me about chat.

Shadow Wizard

lol

Travis J

But really, in the transcript he links to a question asked at the top. I was just surprised that I had commented on it.

Shadow Wizard

chat epic failures archive

Somewhat Memorable Name

@ShadowWizard oh LOL

Journeyman Geek

@TravisJ we use a version of that on SU ;p

Travis J

07:28

I wrote a custom one for SO chat, but I don't use it here.

Derpy

@ShadowWizard I think there was a Lizzy somewhere that was a MLP fan too. Oddly enough, she unlisted some of her videos on YouTube. That said, you have odd priorities.

Travis J

hyper-v is so much fun

Derpy

@ShadowWizard probably is.

In Japan they indeed have "Gold Ice Cream".

There should be pearl ice-cream too

Travis J

Might as well add egg shell ice cream to the list

:D

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard yanno, the other conversation there is... oddly precient

Derpy

07:53

@rene also... we have a Nobel price holder on Physics SE???

Shadow Wizard

@SomewhatMemorableName yup funniest thing ever!

HAMMERTIME err.. something like that.

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