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I donate to the zoo and get small benefits like this from time to time. Really nice place. They are good to their animals. I mean... yeah, in the yard. Actually that is just the terrarium, the whole yard wouldn't fit in one shot.

Journeyman Geek

does he still have teeth?

Travis J

6:42 AM

The lion does, yeah. His name is chadwick. The giraffe still has teeth too, although he will not bite... just drool on you with his massive arm sized tongue.

Shadow Wizard

@TravisJ that's very nice! Where is it?

Travis J

sbzoo.org

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog What's going on in Alaska?

Magisch

I want to pet and snuggle a lion but I also like living

Shadow Wizard

@TravisJ think I read about a giraffe who killed a man by mistake by bumping into his car in safari or something like that.

Magisch

And I also don't like lions being taken advantage of like that

Travis J

6:43 AM

@Magisch same

@ShadowWizard Yeah their heads are massive, they could totally accidentally crush someone trying to push them out of their way to get to food.

Shadow Wizard

Yup

rene

@Magisch It is literally a once in a lifetime experience ...

Magisch

I wonder if giraffes are generally civil

Seems like they have no reason not to be

Travis J

Just depends on the environment they are used to. The ones at the zoo grew up in captivity and are very gentle. Even if you stick your hand in their mouth they wont bite.

Magisch

seems like a bad idea to stick your hand in a giraffe's mouth

regardless if it bites that's just teasing an animal for no reason

Travis J

6:47 AM

Sometimes it ends up in there when you are holding enough food, like lettuce for example. They are pretty eager eaters.

They slobber like the best of 'em

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch thing is, it's not considered teasing for the giraffe.

Magisch

Now I want to feed heads of lettuce to a giraffe

Shadow Wizard

lol

Travis J

Tell your local zoo you want to do a giraffe encounter :)

Zoo's are actually a lot of fun.

Magisch

we have a petting zoo but I'm unsure if they have giraffes

contrary to popular opinion emus are actually very huggable

Travis J

6:50 AM

Oh, bummer. I guess zoo's aren't always that close.

lol

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch goo.gl/maps/MF13Zokk6352

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch .... austrialia lost a war to them

Shadow Wizard

Looks like only one zoo with giraffe in whole India, @Travis

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Magisch

I should make some time to visit the petting zoo again

Travis J

6:52 AM

a "157-acre zoo" geez! That must be absolutely stunning

Magisch

the alpacas there are very open to being hugged if you bribe them with the zoo food

Travis J

I think our local one is like 25 acres at the most

Shadow Wizard

Size doesn't always matter. :P

Magisch

They have vending machines where they sell animal food that you can then feed to the animals

Travis J

There can be no matter without size ;)

(this was a fun chess match)

Shadow Wizard

7:13 AM

@Shog9 there is a huge increase in off topic questions on MSE due to the featured questions, any chance to temporarily increase the reputation needed to ask to 2? It was done before, with quite a success.

Just without bugs please... ;)

29

A: Users with 1 rep can't view any questions here on MSE

Long story short, pushing an inbox notification for a post here on MSE has brought in a lot of folks who don't normally visit this site. Which is good... Except that a whole lot of people don't realize they aren't on Stack Overflow anymore. This is mildly annoying for us (employees) to deal with...

The new nav design is also bringing tons of people who wonder about it, not as much as that inbox message, but still.... feels like increase of x5 at least in the off topic questions.

rene

I don't see any left ...

→ 32 messages moved to Chimney

Shadow Wizard

@rene right

rene

7:46 AM

There was earlier an off-topic question related to GreaseMonkey. Looking at that tag I'm a bit puzzled even after I updated the excerpt and wiki. Are these questions even on-topic? If yes, why are some closed anyway?

Shadow Wizard

@rene agree, tag should be burninated. Questions like this belong on Stack Apps site anyway.

You'll start removing the tag?

rene

Hmm, let's do a burninate post on MSE first to see if we miss anything?

Shadow Wizard

Don't think ~20 questions justify this, but yeah... no harm in that.

(I don't mean close all those questions, just remove the tag)

rene

@ShadowWizard oh, just removing the tag, yeah. That makes sense

Maybe synonym / replace with meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/browser-enhancement

Shadow Wizard

@rene not sure this one is good either, but if we "must" have tag for something like that then yeah, it's more generic.

rene

8:02 AM

so-addon is gone, now they are all tagged addon

Derpy

anyone knows if there is an official explanation on how the chat room users are sorted?

It seems to sort by activity, last entered etc

Journeyman Geek

I think its ~~entirely arbitrary~~

By activity

rene

@ShadowWizard I think the front page shows what I have been doing ...

Shadow Wizard

8:26 AM

hehe, yeah. You're leaving a trail behind. :D

Nog Shine

I see faded flowers on the homepage. :D

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy it can become buggy when someone who didn't post a message for long time leaves, then joins... at first they'll be first in the list but then drop way down since they didn't have real activity i.e. posting messages.

Shadow Wizard

9:36 AM

@JNat cross site spammer, spammed one of the sites now. Thanks! :)

sd 2k

plz-delete excel meta.stackexchange.com/questions/311294/… @rene @TravisJ @JourneymanGeek @Bart

Somewhat Memorable Name

10:27 AM

@ShadowWizard TBH, I also condemn clickbait title on HNQ.

so, the sock puppet might be mine(!?)

Shadow Wizard

@SomewhatMemorableName but you don't go and troll Meta for this... yet...

@Some you also consider the whole Hot Network Questions idea to be a mistake without any real value? Or just the titles being usually clickbait?

Somewhat Memorable Name

@ShadowWizard for me, HQN is still a blessing and a curse at the same time. But I always attempted to edit clickbait title because it's annoying.

The conclusion is.... I hate Travel.SE :(

Shadow Wizard

@SomewhatMemorableName well, when posting on MSE and got a "clickbait" title, I also append "normal" title after that to be fair with everyone. ;)

@SomewhatMemorableName so don't Travel there.... :D

Shadow Wizard

10:53 AM

@Smokey you seem tired, maybe you need coffee?

Somewhat Memorable Name

I still believe there's nothing wrong with someone having email domain as their username...

Shadow Wizard

@SomewhatMemorableName of course, but most of the times those are spammers

There are legit users with their company name/URL as their display name, but it's really rare.

Somewhat Memorable Name

... this meta post...

-1

Q: Are these usernames security threats?

I just saw a post on the site by a user with the username "gmail.com". There is also an active user "yahoo.com". Is this not a potential security threat for some cross-site scripting scenario?

support

Shadow Wizard

huh?

Smokey doesn't like ASCII?

oh, probably command name must be English only.

nope.

Weird.

??

You borked Smokey!!

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard that's not ASCII

Somewhat Memorable Name

10:59 AM

@ShadowWizard this evil thingy

Shadow Wizard

Did Trump ever explain what he meant by that, by the way?

@JourneymanGeek so what is that?

Journeyman Geek

Its unicode?

ASCII is literally just numbers, letters and a few basic symbols

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek alt code. alt-codes.net

lol

I keep it in a file

Locked away safely. :D

Magisch

Mundofile!

Shadow Wizard

mundo who?

Magisch

11:11 AM

it's a video game reference

Shadow Wizard

oh

dang, jsfiddle becomes more and more irritating. Guess I'll have to stop using it soon.

Guess they became too big so as usual, cares less for the users.

Shadow Wizard

1:06 PM

I wonder.... did Shog mean the title here to be clickbait? It surely looks like one to me.... lol

Kevin B

1:59 PM

i mean... aren't all titles

Shadow Wizard

2:33 PM

nope

Shog9

3:02 PM

All of my titles are clickbait

@ShadowWizard define "huge increase"

It's up maybe 10%

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 looks much more to me

And most authors have long time accounts on SO, without visible reason for post ban, so it all hints they reached via the featured questions.

Derpy

> "Well that's the problem - the utter lack of feedback from the website itself. They asked a question and it vanished without a trace."

Shadow Wizard

Usually the authors are totally new, or have accounts in bad standing on SO.

Derpy

the above quote was taken from one of the replies.

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy and?

How is this related to my question to Shog?

I can also quote random parts from answers....

but can't see the point in this.

Derpy

3:07 PM

and ... I am not surprised at all that people fell that way. As for "how it is related"... nope, just side thing I noticed after reading the question.

Shadow Wizard

oh

Derpy

Which ironically means that asking if the title was clickbait has clickbaited me into reading the post

Shog9

@ShadowWizard usually the authors are asking duplicate questions

Shadow Wizard

Well that's how it works to this day, people still don't get notification when their post is deleted.

@Derpy hehe, you see? :D

@Shog9 not today, think I checked most

oh, a rare blue appeared!

Magisch

ooh, shiny

hello rossipedia

Shadow Wizard

3:10 PM

Rare blue who never talked here... hmm... challange accepted!

Hey @ross what's up? :)

Derpy

@ShadowWizard The less the people notice "bad stuff" happening to them, the less they will complain.

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy I think that's no longer true

Sounds like Jeff, right?

Shog9

@ShadowWizard right. I'm saying the norm isn't q-banned people asking programming questions, it's normal people asking questions that were first asked in 2009

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 what? Where? Now I'm confused. :/

Shog9

There is something novel this past week, so... More questions

Shadow Wizard

3:11 PM

We still talk about off topic programming questions on MSE?

@Shog9 more questions about the new design and left nav, sure, that's good, but I talk about more off topic questions on MSE though.

Derpy

@ShadowWizard to be fair, never I said I believe that to be true in the first place. If anything I implied some may have perceived to be so. Which again, doesn't mean I think they are right.... but also doesn't mean they aren't.

rossipedia

@ShadowWizard not much. trying to start my day, but lacking coffee

Derpy

3:30 PM

> Muffin, I say. MUFFIN!!

Catija

I prefer cupcakes.

Shog9

@ShadowWizard there are always a lot of those

it's been getting slowly but steadily worse for years

Derpy

3:50 PM

Random idea of the day: Put Retsuko in the next Animal Crossing game.

canon

oh, look... a suggestion for replacing more text links with icons

:/

Catija

Works for IKEA, why not everyone?

canon

I can't remember if it was IE11 or Edge... but at one point the Microsoft browser dev tools had a sidebar of unrecognizable charms

rather than tabs with text descriptions, e.g.: console, network, etc

rene

A picture can tell you 1000 words. That are 1000 different words for each user ....

canon

mhmm

it probably speaks to my age that I'm irritated by the tabletification of UI

rene

4:04 PM

Yes.

canon

like when windows 8 forced you into tablet mode

rene

A picture and max 140 chars, that is all we can bare

canon

I still look at the 5 downvotes I got for that hybrid icon/text suggestion for the top bar... and I wonder if that was the design team.

Catija

@rene 280 now.

rene

you're no fun ....

Catija

4:07 PM

I'm loads of fun! :D

rene

@canon yes, the designer and their 4 sock-puppets ;)

canon

lol, is there only one person on the design team?

well, damn... after last year there might be. Nevermind.

rene

@Catija yeah, I hate to admit it but you seem funnier then I am.

canon

More fun or funnier?

Catija

@rene I'm only funny when I don't try. :P

2

rene

4:14 PM

@canon uh, oh ... is there a difference ... heads to ELL.se

@Catija that works best ...

πάντα ῥεῖ

5:53 PM

I dunno how @peterh always manages to ask these kind of opinion based questions :-/

canon

6:17 PM

> On its face, this post may look like an answer but it's not. It cobbles aspects of other answers together, out of context, and provides no attempt to answer the actual question. Please delete it. – canon May 10 at 20:56

> declined - flags should not be used to indicate technical inaccuracies, or an altogether wrong answer

and then it was downvoted to hell and deleted by the author anyway

so, beach justice

Kevin B

bully

canon

I KNOW IT WAS YOU, @YvetteColomb! You broke my heart.

@KevinB aww

user310756

@canon what are you talking about?

canon

the declined flag

user310756

what declined flag?

canon

6:27 PM

The one I quoted a few posts back. I was making a joke about it, that's all.

user310756

oh ok

user310756

it may have been me, looks like my MO.. but I'd have to check runs off possibly to never return

canon

Still, when you visit our Mother, I want to know a day in advance, so I won't be there.

user310756

lol

user310756

yeh I had to decline it. It's the old, downvote bad answers, we don't delete them.. Which I don't agree with, but I have to adhere to the site's policy @canon

user310756

6:30 PM

it was self deleted stackoverflow.com/questions/14028959/… which is good

canon

to be fair, he edited after the fact

after some of my comments

and it's sort of an answer now

albeit, self-deleted

user310756

@canon ah I didn't check the timeline.

Kevin B

didn't you make a meta post drawing attention to it or something

user310756

who?

canon

talked about it here in chat

or do you mean the flagging policy?

Kevin B

6:33 PM

the answer

user310756

yeh I did

user310756

48

Q: Why was my custom flag declined? When should I use a custom flag?

This is being developed for the faq. There has not been a proposal for this, ergo it's not a duplicate. Every post or comment flag dialog has an option to raise a custom (moderator) flag: Every day, moderators receive a lot of custom flags that do not need to be custom flags. Custom flags tak...

discussion flags declined-flags faq-proposed

user310756

I didn't see a meta post about that answer

canon

it was here in chat

user310756

kk

canon

6:34 PM

I brought it up today because I noticed the post was deleted

user310756

I feel bad when I decline high rep user's flags (watch that comment make it to a meta post)

canon

don't let the rep fool you

I'm not very active anymore

I just keep an eye on some of my popular posts

and make sure they're tended properly

user310756

yeh, but it does mean the person has contributed a lot to the site and a decline can feel like a slap in the face for people who have been around a long time

canon

it did

:P

user310756

@canon that's really good

canon

6:36 PM

Shog warned me it might get declined. So, can't say I should have been surprised.

user310756

well I'm sorry it felt that way. I'm trying to remain detached from the flagger and follow the honour code of what should be deleted etc

canon

np

user310756

did you ask shog before flagging?

canon

I did

he said, "I'd probably decline it. But I trust you could make a compelling case."

user310756

it's like a lot of flags saying it's a duplicate of others

canon

6:38 PM

I came back and he said, "was my faith misplaced?"

user310756

:/

canon

Yes; yes, it was.

:P

user310756

well there's a lot of people who flag answers as dupes, but they are saying the same thing in a different way, which may reach some people where the other answers don't

user310756

and a lot of fuss over code being copied.. depending on the code snippet, there is an inevitable degree of overlap

canon

accompanying exposition was copied :P

user310756

6:40 PM

particularly if people are quoting from docs

user310756

@canon the answers?

canon

yeah, I quoted the docs and added a modification in brackets

that whole bit was copied

but that's not even the point

the point was the initial draft didn't even seem like an attempt to answer the question

the other concerns were just icing

let's not forget, though: the answer is deleted

all is right and well

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@rene If I may ask, why did you flood the front page?

Kevin B

to me it looked like an attempt to make a much more compact and to the point answer rather than a novel

user310756

yeh that's where we need downvotes and it's hard, as people are penalised for downvoting answers

user310756

6:42 PM

@KevinB yeh a lot of unnecessary "cases" as it were

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

It looks like you were burninating the greasemonkey tag

user310756

@canon this discusses some of my concerns with the flags

canon

lol

I just earned my first downvote on my canonical answer

ZING... someone's doling out karma

rene

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog yes, after I consulted with shadowwizard what to do.

user310756

how on earth could that get a downvote?

user310756

6:45 PM

you must've upset someone lol

canon

@YvetteColomb I'd have to agree. Isn't that right, @KevinB? J'accuse!

rene

I'm just jealous, that's all

user310756

and the more controversial you are on meta the worse it is - but you also get fans. so it evens out

user310756

@rene me too

rene

also: too much jQuery

canon

6:47 PM

trust me, I despise jQuery

but that answer was actually moved from a jQuery-specific question

user310756

js is such a handy language

canon

by a mod

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@YvetteColomb I edited one of your Meta answers; what do you think? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/368693/…

user310756

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog reading it now

user310756

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog yep good point and maybe mention it in the flag

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

6:49 PM

@YvetteColomb I'd recommend including a general paragraph that "if this is a special case, be sure to clearly mention it, or else your flag may be declined".

canon

@rene since that answer was migrated to a more generic, canonical question... I've drafted and redrafted plain-javascript versions like 20 times... only to discard them

user310756

the reason I posted that, was because there's a lot of flags that take a while to get through and if people used the standard flags where possible, the flags that had no other option would be handled more quickly

user310756

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog go for it. it's a wiki

user310756

I don't want to own it sonic

user310756

it was a kick start so to speak and we can add it to the faq when it's done

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

6:51 PM

@YvetteColomb I've mostly been conditioned by a user who tends to roll back my drastic edits to their posts

Even those with valid grammar corrections (e.g. correcting "its" to "it's")

rene

@canon oh boy.

user310756

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog it's a community wiki. as long as the info is good,. there's no issue and you're asking people. so there's no prob

user310756

sorry I'm tired, so lazy typing

Shadow Wizard

@rossipedia terrible! When out of milk at work I just bolt off to the supermarket to buy, no matter how much work I have to do. ;)

So why couldn't you make coffee?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@YvetteColomb Okay, I'll act just like Ano :)

canon

6:52 PM

@KevinB you're of the opinion that this was an attempt to consolidate and simplify the answers to the question, "why can't a DOM method find my element?"

user310756

@rene the joy of having mod super powers to close and delete things is offset by the impossibility of making a dint due to the sheer volume. It's a bitter sweet thing

user310756

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog ano?

user310756

@ShadowWizard mm coffee

user310756

I'm going back to bed... night all

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 can't you run some quick search to compare amounts today vs. a week ago? Just to 100% disprove my theory?

Kevin B

6:53 PM

@canon i mean.. neither does 99% of your answer

Shog9

@ShadowWizard it's like 80 vs 70 or something

Shadow Wizard

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Ano is good!

user310756

@ShadowWizard what theory?

Shog9

there's an increase, but... It's pretty marginal

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 in a day?

Kevin B

6:54 PM

but that other 99% is covered by the answer you just linked to

Shog9

@ShadowWizard week

Kevin B

in a much shorter form

user310756

increase in what?

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 no no... please try day...

@YvetteColomb off topic questions on MSE

user310756

ah k

user310756

6:55 PM

I'm pretty sure there's an increase in comment flags on SO

Shog9

@ShadowWizard 29 deleted questions today vs. 27 a week ago

Shadow Wizard

I got a feeling we have much more now due to the featured design changes post attracting people to MSE.

user310756

it's like playing whack a mole and I've never played whack a mole

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Dec 5 '17 at 8:15, by Shadow Wizard

I have an idea.... we should find a name to our devoted Anonymous Editor. I suggest "Ano".

rene

@ShadowWizard you just don't lurk enough to see the stuff others delete before you see it ...

Shog9

6:55 PM

34 closed vs 23 closed a week ago

Shadow Wizard

@YvetteColomb night!

user310756

night sha \o

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shog9 Enable the interstitial page and test

Shadow Wizard

@YvetteColomb my night just begins... :D

Shog9

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog eh

I'd like to do something else

user310756

6:56 PM

@ShadowWizard that's a status by design being a shadow

Shadow Wizard

@rene usually I catch most of them...

rene

usually

canon

@KevinB I answered the question and provided options for avoiding the issue referenced. If you feel that the answer is deficient in some way, I welcome any feedback, e.g.: "too much jQuery" or "TL;DR"

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 carrot cake?

Kevin B

?

Shog9

6:59 PM

sounds good to me

Shadow Wizard

Jan 5 '11 at 19:04, by Shog9

speaking of which, time for carrot cake

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@YvetteColomb I made that edit, and also added in a paragraph about closing posts with active bounties.