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5:01 PM

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Catija

@Jhoverit I appreciate that you don't agree with the blog post but it's Not Nice to imply that the staff who worked on it and posted it with the best of intentions are guilty of hate speech.

hey

@Catija sometimes internet filter is.... strange :/

like imgur.com is blocked as fun/meme (including SE's own, which I had to request to whitelist it)

so yeah, it can be for any reason why it's blocked on their office...

yagmoth555

@JourneymanGeek it's a good idea for nginx, and it seem popular, on sf a lot of question are asked about it too, I see the trend

Jhoverit

5:16 PM

@Catija I joked about a faulty internet filter. Nothing more :)

hey

5:32 PM

Either there's a caching problem with /question list, or my internet sux badly: a post I modified appeared on the "active" question list after 5 minutes

never mind... the next post came after only 38 seconds...

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Félix Gagnon-Grenier

@TelKitty that's... ridiculous? what kind of criteria "that people's don't want to read is"? I'm pretty sure if we account for everyone, there would be literally nothing left after we remove everyone's "don't want to read", yes?

Journeyman Geek

5:50 PM

._.

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

... was it meanly phrased?

Journeyman Geek

I think she just wanted to get a reaction ;p

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

hmmm... I see!

Journeyman Geek

(also, man, so much drama this week)

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

yeah... I think the last time I remember such was Joel's post on meta

Journeyman Geek

5:55 PM

I actually think this time is worse

And that's a perfect time to take a deep breath ;p

yagmoth555

I think like Tim Post, that it's a good thing people talk the issue, even if it bring drama

as it's a start to the right direction

Journeyman Geek

Well yes and no

We can and should disagree on things

bit sometimes it gets too heated.

yagmoth555

I agree, but my view is, in 2013, on meta SF we had the same drama about user too rude, it stayed under SF as a drama, but it got resolved as mod accept a lot less rudeness and the community too accept a lot less such. Now it hit SO, but the drama is bigger, as well, SO is bigger

Journeyman Geek

Oh, there was a lot of other fallout from that

and well

this is partially, but not completely about how we treat new users

Even implicit sexism.

When drama is internal, its not that bad

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

... communication is hard.

Journeyman Geek

6:01 PM

we sort things out, and we actually talk to each other, well on the same shared ground

rene

I'm still struggling

Journeyman Geek

the big thing here, I suspect that, a lot of folks feel "outside" folks are ... well attacking us. And its kinda easier to hate folks trying to change things from outside.

yagmoth555

Yes, but now it's on SO

Journeyman Geek

PERSONALLY I think we've just gotta take the good lessons, and ignore the hate :)

rene

I was about to ignore the lessons and take the hate ... ;)

yagmoth555

6:03 PM

Yes, as I remember old timer on SF that was rude, mod pinged them on the slack channel, and the problem resolved, now they even help with constructive remark, and the community follow

Journeyman Geek

And every time we go and say something that folks can point at and go "these people are terrible" we lose

yagmoth555

I just dont know how to bring that state of mind on SO, but breaking the buble was necessary I think

Journeyman Geek

@rene its ok. some people hate flowers

@yagmoth555 well SO has a tiny bit of a scaling problem

rene

Small banner ^ seen here

We have to admit that the creativity is awesome

hey

@rene I thought that's a small banner that was zoomed, I think I was wrong...

rene

6:12 PM

it is kind of in your face ...

Jhoverit

@rene What brings that up?

hey

not yet implemented, just an idea

I'm actually having an idea to overhaul the tour page, but the changes are so many that it might be hard to vote (feature request too broad?)

rene

@Jhoverit asking a question does. The link might as well go to one of those sub-reddits where they criticize SE.

Jhoverit

@rene I tried it, no banner for me

Oh, then it won't ever happen that much is obvious

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

oh wow. just tried to comment on something on ips, is that "suggest improvement" instead of "add a comment" new?

tbh however, it did have an effect: I might really not make a pun about Canadians

Journeyman Geek

6:23 PM

its an experiment

rene

@FélixGagnon-Grenier those are really bad ...

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

@rene the puns, the effect or the canadians?

rene

you pick one ...

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

hehehe

Journeyman Geek

Yes

@FélixGagnon-Grenier yes

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

6:25 PM

:/

I'll pick the effect and make the pun \o/

hey

like:
1. modify the structure: introduction, Q&A system (**move "tagging" to here + introduce downvote**), on/off-topicness, **edit+comment**, **link to [how to ask](https://stackoverflow.com/help/how-to-ask) & [how to answer](https://stackoverflow.com/help/how-to-answer)**, reputation, badges, help center -- reasoning: new users are either looking for asking/answering, not about reputation or badges; bring the important part first.
2. add 2 new bronze badges: 1 badge for opening "how to ask" and another for "how to answer", both delayed by 30 seconds (arbitrary number, at least if they rea…

Andrew Myers

Any devs around? I just found something strange on this question: stackoverflow.com/q/50160513/5764553

Looks like a sub-50 rep user posted a comment

hey

@hey (yeah, formatting is broken when multiline >_<)

Taryn

@AndrewMyers it was mostly likely an auto-conversion of an answer to a comment

hey

@AndrewMyers autoconversion when posting an answer with a link to another SO question, if I'm not mistaken?

Taryn

6:32 PM

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A: Answer appears automatically converted as a comment

Trivial answers containing a link to another question in the network are automatically converted to comments on the question, with the message Trivial answer converted to comment Poking some folks about perhaps a wee bit more indication that that happens, looked like a bug to me at first t...

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

230

Q: Why do I need 50 reputation to comment? What can I do instead?

Users with less than 50 reputation points cannot write comments on questions and answers that they don't own. Why does this limit exist? But I want to contribute now. What should I do instead? But I can't write a good answer without more information! But I saw a new user posting a comment! How...

"But I saw a new user posting a comment! How did they do it?"

Andrew Myers

That's a really cool feature I never knew about

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Taryn Last time I checked, that can be prone to abuse, because users can post an answer that intentionally triggers the script, then edit the resulting comment.

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

... acquiring 50 rep sounds simpler

but eh, who can judge?

hey

Oh well, I guess I'll try posting my idea to overhaul the tour tomorrow...

rene

6:39 PM

sd del

Undo

6:50 PM

undo's minirant of the day: We've been deleting a bunch of blatantly unwelcoming comments from 2010ish... but not as many as I thought, considering we're a site with sixty-six million comments. Are there just not that many, or is this the tip of the iceberg?

3

People who are running SEDE and finding this crap, keep doing it please. People who are interested, start! :)

(SEDE is most useful on Sunday morning US time, FWIW. Nice fresh data)

John Dvorak

I would believe it's the former. SE is fighting windmills IMO.

Undo

@JohnDvorak Dredging these up has opened my mind to the possibility that there's more we're missing. Need more data.

by "unwelcoming" I mean comments like "wow you have big boobs". Objectively nasty stuff.

John Dvorak

I don't call those "unwelcoming", but "sexist". If those aren't rare, we do have a problem...

Andy

"Rare" is interesting though. There may not be a lot of them, but many that I've removed have more than a few upvotes and are on questions that have a lot of views. So, they've been seen by a lot of people.

Undo

"Rare" is relative, and somewhat subjective in something like this

^ That

Journeyman Geek

6:54 PM

Why would there even be comments like that? 0_0

Undo

@JourneymanGeek Some cultures are different. And some people are jerks.

Andy

An excellent question, but there are and they've been around for half a decade or more in recent cases that are flagged.

Journeyman Geek

@Undo and avatars are small

Undo

@Andy You can have 66,000 of these and they're "only" 1% of the total... but I'd push for action on 1%. Or .1%. Or maybe .01%, but that's getting grey.

Andy

Yeah. I was going to compile a big list but I can only go back so far on moderator handled flags.

Undo

6:57 PM

Hoping Tim Post is able to get some data out for everyone to see, and hopefully some less aggregated data out for mods to see

Anonymous

Another very fringe XSS in teams: team names aren't encoded in the duplicate search error response. (Suggestion: this should probably be plain text instead of HTML.)

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