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@Shog9 I think they've studied that and found that remembering things doesn't always recreate the experience precisely... brains re-interpret things and your memory will gradually shift. :D

Sonic Wizard

Very true

user202362

@yvette, congrats :D Looks all going well for you :)

user202362

you are expecting the foal in a few weeks time?

Sonic Wizard

12:56 AM

@JeremyBanks One other thing: the system sometimes offers to give you back rep you lost for expressing unpopular opinions in exchange for recanting your opinion

Journeyman Geek

@SonicWizard sometimes?

Sonic Wizard

@JourneymanGeek If your unpopular opinion is in a question with upvoted answers

...you can't. But if it's in an answer or a question with no answers or a single one without upvotes, you can.

Catija

So... you mean you can delete it?

Sonic Wizard

@Catija Yep

Journeyman Geek

@SonicWizard questions are not really meant to be opinions though

even if they're occationally misused

Sonic Wizard

1:03 AM

@JourneymanGeek @Catija There's a reason why I pinged Jeremy Banks

Journeyman Geek

He made a suggestion

and well

Catija

@SonicWizard Yeah, that's not really how I would describe it... It seems like an... unfair explanation... seeing as Jerermy's question has two answers.

Journeyman Geek

I don't think he's particularly worried about lost rep.

Sonic Wizard

I think I should make this clear again: I'm ideologically opposed to the idea that one should lose rep just for making an unpopular suggestion or expressing an unpopular opinion. Nothing else to infer from that.

Journeyman Geek

@SonicWizard Meta's unique

Sonic Wizard

1:06 AM

Mar 26 at 23:18, by Sonic Wizard

I was 398 steps away from getting the ability to VTC. But just because I posted an unpopular answer, I was initially set back four steps to 402 steps. I could get those four steps back, but that's not really fair because if I did the exact same thing minus the unpopular post, I would have been 394 steps away, not 398. It's absolutely worthless.

Journeyman Geek

and?

You're literally saying the entire system is wrong because it didn't work for you

Catija

@SonicWizard So that makes it reasonable to imply to someone that there's a way for them to get their rep back within the system... but that's really not available to them because they don't meet the prerequisites...

Sonic Wizard

To be fair, my opinion is a bit strengthened because I once lost a privilege just for making an unpopular feature request, but I've expressed that opinion here long before that happened

Journeyman Geek

@SonicWizard there's nothing wrong with an unpopular opinion

Catija

Unpopular opinions are valuable because we can learn from them.

Journeyman Geek

1:08 AM

and If I have an unpopular opinion, the reason its unpopular has value.

and eh, its only rep!

Sonic Wizard

@JourneymanGeek It helps you earn privileges. As I said, I once lost a privilege simply for making an unpopular feature request.

Journeyman Geek

@SonicWizard which you will earn eventually over time

Sonic Wizard

Also, I consider it highly valuable, because of a certain...thing going on with my mind

Mar 26 at 23:19, by Sonic Wizard

And if I wanted to be 394 steps away, I could have just taken four steps, whereas since I expressed an unpopular viewpoint, I have to take twice as many steps.

Journeyman Geek

@SonicWizard that you basically get fixated on things?

Sonic Wizard

I linked the wrong message

Journeyman Geek

1:12 AM

I don't look at every single post I make

I look at comments, and overall trends.

Sonic Wizard

I focus more on ideology rather than effects

Mar 26 at 23:08, by Sonic Wizard

(And just to give you even more proof that it's specifically about expressing unpopular viewpoints that I'm concerned about - I recently argued that one of my downvoted questions on SO on which I put a bounty, which was on the way to being deleted, should be kept. Of course, I would stand to gain 100+ rep from its deletion, but I wanted it kept because it helped people.)

Journeyman Geek

and nagging at people when things don't work exactly as you expect them to.

Sonic Wizard

Look - the only reason I posted the first message in the chain was because Jeremy had explicitly agreed with my idea for separating dis/agreement from quality votes in a prior message, and I was too lazy to find it and click "reply".

I was just adding to his opinion

@JourneymanGeek I've had this same discussion at least three times now. I didn't want to repeat it again, I just wanted to reply to his message.

Shog9

@Catija anecdotally, this is true

A smile becomes a mocking snear

A cheerful voice takes on a sharp tone

Diplomatic words become sarcasm

Catija

We're cruel to ourselves.

Though, for some, it goes the other way... a sneer becomes an honest smile...

Aaron Hall

1:41 AM

State of the Art (on Youtube)

Shog9

@SonicWizard that's your choice. No one else did that to you.

Not saying it's the wrong choice

Not saying it's the right one

But... it's yours. Own it.

Don't blame the system.

You've been a member of Stack Overflow for just a hair over 5 years

and in that time, you've lost a grand total of 383 points

In my first 5 years on Stack Overflow, that number was 3871

user202362

My baby chicks are now no longer bald

Shog9

I left downvoted answers. I downvoted other answers. And I deleted upvoted answers.

There's nothing wrong with any of that. As long as you know what you're doing.

And you, most certainly do know what you're doing.

So own it.

user202362

2:13 AM

My 'rescued' chicks @Yvette ...

user202362

When I first bought them:

user202362

user202362

now:

user202362

Journeyman Geek

Aww

user202362

2:17 AM

I know right :p

Journeyman Geek

I probably can't complain I have no - net downvoted posts

user315433

Deleting the account also helps. No net-downvoted posts (Community deletes them even if answered) and of course no worries about low reputation.

Journeyman Geek

2:36 AM

Heh. I suppose so

And hah. I have never once been tempted to sock a meta question

user310756

2:52 AM

@TelKitty next 12 - 28 days

user202362

Oo :)

HTTPS

3:11 AM

🐔🐴

Sonic Wizard

3:22 AM

@Shog9 Again, it doesn't seem like you fully understand my perspective. But I'll explain it some other time.

@SmokeDetector fp-

user310756

3:40 AM

Journeyman Geek

Horse!(es?)

user310756

this is my pregnant girl who came to me skinny @TelKitty cc @Shog9 she's looking a lot better

user310756

1.9 horses

Journeyman Geek

she does!

user310756

she's so cool. Love her to bits

Journeyman Geek

3:42 AM

If nothing else, she dosen't look like she's skin and bones

Shog9

@YvetteColomb considerable improvement

user315433

"Hi" is deleted at the beginning of posts, but apparently not at the beginning of titles... Hi. I've installed python3.6 as below but unsure how to access Spyder. Most of what I have read is unclear, i.e. saying if should already have Sypder? by Steve Van Maanen on stackoverflow.com

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch ^ ;p

user310756

@Shog9 I needed to show you that, after showing you that other pic. I take really good care of my horses, they get high quality feed and supplements as required.

user310756

@JourneymanGeek too darn cute to resist chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/43723384#43723384

Journeyman Geek

4:26 AM

@YvetteColomb heh, that face gets away with a lot ;p

My parents went out last night, so I took over the nightly dog walk. He dosen't want to do his doggy doody duties...

my dad comes back he walks up to dad (who usually does the night walk) then looks at the door, then dad... and gets another walk ._.

user202362

@YvetteColomb looks pregnant now :p

user310756

4:48 AM

@TelKitty sure does

user310756

@JourneymanGeek egg-actly (egg reference for @TelKitty's chooks)

user202362

Egg, what egg?? I suspect all three will turn out to be roosters :p (thanks to my 'superb' baby chook choosing skills)

Journeyman Geek

5:02 AM

@TelKitty they look like hens to me

but the local roosters tend to look fabulous.

user202362

5:14 AM

I want them to be hens too, because local council doesn't allow residents to keep roosters in the backyard

Sonic Wizard

@SmokeDetector tpu-

HTTPS

goo.gl link shortener will be discontinued (irrelevant to SE since it has been blocked)

Journeyman Geek

link? this will break many things <3

HTTPS

They are kind enough though, "all existing links will continue to redirect to the intended destination." (read more on Google Blog)

Journeyman Geek

5:32 AM

ah

less fun ;p

@TelKitty oddly enough? We have more chickens wandering around than we should...

There was a pair, that belonged to a small local shrine...

there's at least two roosters

Nog Shine

8:14 AM

Is there a change in closing duplicates?

Is an upvoted answer not mandatory for closing a question as duplicate now?

John Dvorak

You can close as a duplicate if it's by the same person

Nog Shine

0

Q: I get 'Oops! Something Bad Happened!' when I search for tags in main stackexchange site

Steps to reproduce: In stackexchange.com, search for [something] (any random tag). I keep getting 'Oops! Something Bad Happened!. This error has been recorded and notified'

How is this closed as a duplicate?

rene

@NogShine because it is

Nog Shine

it is a duplicate but there is no answer to it.

rene

And no, on meta you don't need an answer on the dupe target

Nog Shine

8:23 AM

discards question

rene

Are there any stats on how often users hit the You can only undo a comment vote in the first 60 seconds rate limit message? I'm asking because of an MSO complaint which I answered here.

John Dvorak

I'm more annoyed by "can't redo after undoing"

rene

yeah, agree on that

Sonic Wizard

@NogShine Moderators are not subject to the upvoted answer requirement either, on all sites

Journeyman Geek

8:38 AM

Moderators basically have lots of powers and are mostly trusted to use them ;)

Anonymous

8:48 AM

me stares at the closure of Year-Round Hats for Fun and Profit a duplicate of What do hats get me after January 4th?

Anonymous

looks at one

Anonymous

looks at the other

Anonymous

uhhhhhh huhhhhh

Nog Shine

@SonicWizard yes.

I mod flag when I find dupes like that

Sonic Wizard

@SFTP Is animuson the only user to have their mod powers on MSE revoked and then subsequently reinstated?

Journeyman Geek

9:04 AM

@JeremyBanks heh, you have my reopen vote ;p

I mean, I think its a terrible idea but its not a dupe

rene

9:21 AM

2 more votes needed

Threatening with the abuse of power is not an flagable offense, right? Exercised here ;)

John Dvorak

You could send an email if they follow through

Journeyman Geek

@rene that's more of an implied threat

rene

Yeah, I think this is totally something we want to bother a CM with ...

Sonic Wizard

Maybe there is direct (manually entered) link to force closing? I mean with the same action like “that’s solve my problem” button. — alexolut 7 mins ago

John Dvorak

"Your question is really unclear" - "yeah, I guess... whoops. Keeping it though."

Magisch

9:58 AM

@YvetteColomb neat 1,5 horse

HTTPS

I SEE A RUBBER DUCK.

7

rene

rubber duck debugging

Nog Shine

Me too

Discrete lizard

@HTTPS YES! HAHA OH WOW.

Can this one be permanent? I think this prevents a lot of bad questions on SO.

Journeyman Geek

@SonicWizard last edit was mostly bogus

norms change, scopes don't

the age of the question is important to my answer, and taking is correct english

Sonic Wizard

10:12 AM

@JourneymanGeek Programmers changed to Software Engineering; SU stopped allowing recommendation questions; SO stopped allowing homework questions...scopes do change.

Journeyman Geek

Not what I'm talking about here though

SU not allowing recommendation questions was a reinterpretation of the existing rules

besides, I'd assume I know what I'm trying to say

Sonic Wizard

@JourneymanGeek I didn't remove the word "newer"

user310756

@Magisch Thanks, I'll need to drag you all into the litterbox when she has her baby.

Sonic Wizard

@JourneymanGeek Just because part of the edit was wrong doesn't mean the whole edit should be reverted. Why not just manually revert the parts you don't like, while keeping the rest?

For instance, you reverted a period at the end of the sentence and a required comma.

Journeyman Geek

@SonicWizard cause more of the edit was wrong than not, and didn't really fix any issues that needed fixing.

Sonic Wizard

10:20 AM

12 secs ago, by Sonic Wizard

For instance, you reverted a period at the end of the sentence and a required comma.

And a word that's not a word.

@JourneymanGeek My mistake. I thought you had carefully considered each and every change, and decided each and every one was bad. Including ending the sentence with a period.

Journeyman Geek

@SonicWizard enough of it was.

Sonic Wizard

@JourneymanGeek Why not keep the good ones?

@ShadowWizard chaos-emerald-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308573/…

Sonic Wizard

10:50 AM

@READandSee-It'sNotaDupe Nice new username, Jeremy Banks!

b_jonas

Question. On most sites, in the question lists, the sort order links are “active, featured, hot, week, month” (with “featured” missing if no question is featured right now). But on cstheory.stackexchange.com/questions , the order is different: “newest, frequent, votes, active, unanswered”. Why?

HTTPS

@b_jonas you're looking on the /question page, not the homepage

b_jonas

@HTTPS Oh, so the order between the questions page and the homepage differs? Let me check this.

Ok, that makes sense. I'm stupid.

doppelgreener

11:19 AM

meta.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/57124 This needs to be corrected to just say 2018, it wasn't a 2017 prank IIRC

rene

11:31 AM

@doppelgreener is fixed

Sonic Wizard

11:49 AM

@rene I mistyped 2018 as "2017". This wasn't present in 2017. Thanks to Ben for correcting.

rene

waffles

Sonic Wizard

@rene I mistyped who to say "thanks" to.

@rene where?

@HTTPS Here

deja vu

11:52 AM

@HTTPS this one: imgur.com/QK740WT

HTTPS

🤤

John Dvorak

I've just tried the new assistant on SO. It's a quack!

HTTPS

I've also tried it on Anime.SE. I don't know how to continue debugging after that.

b_jonas

12:33 PM

In data.stackexchange.com , when editing a query, something is wrong with the fancy "Switch sites:" control that's under the "Run Query" button. If I type "meta stack exchange" in it, it gives a confusing list of eight sites. If I type "meta.stackexchange.com" it gives a list of ten sites that doesn't even include Meta SE. Why can't I just type "meta.stackexchange.com" and press enter and have it switch to that site or something?

user310756

1:44 PM

@πάνταῥεῖ where are you?

Journeyman Geek

1:55 PM

@YvetteColomb I haven't seen him much on chat

rene

@b_jonas similar to this bug: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/306992/… ? Are you logged in or are you relying on the captcha?

HTTPS

@rene based on my testing, it doesn't matter if you're logged in or not. But yes, that's the case: there are 8 meta sites with "Stack Exchange" appended, e.g. "Software Recommendations Meta Stack Exchange"

rene

Okay. I might as well prepare that hack I propose in my answer as a PR. I don't know if migrating to that library is worth the effort.

HTTPS

and regarding "meta.stackexchange.com" returning 10... now I think it's actually returning all meta sites, but limited to 10 due to the change in domain name from "meta.site.stackexchange.com" to "site.meta.stackexchange.com"

rene

That is probably true. Problem is I'm not 100% sure what is in the sites table in the production db but I'll see if I can repro locally somewhere in next 6 to 8

HTTPS

2:03 PM

~~The site table... I guess it pulls from SE API?~~ nvm

user202362

hahaha, voice recognizing duck :p

HTTPS

@SmokeDetector 9 hours and still standing...

or the real question is, why did Smokey report it just now!?

b_jonas

@rene I'm logged in. And yes, similar to that.

user310756

@JourneymanGeek yeh, he pinged me in here and haven't heard from him since.

b_jonas

The "Cultural height" field in "The many memes of" threads seems useless. Memes usually get documented when they are high, and nobody bothers to update the posts later.

rene

2:12 PM

@HTTPS no, it doesn't. JasonC wrote a ~~rant~~ highly intelligent post about all the different site data found in all public locations, sede, dump, api.

@b_jonas it needs fixing of that feature and cleanup in the sites table, both take 6 to 8 something and once done, it needs Nick to review and refactor and deploy.

b_jonas

@HTTPS The site data is right there in the dumps, so it's unlikelyi.

No wait... that can't work. The dumps are public only once every few months, whereas SEDE dumps are updated ever few weeks. It's basically cheating.

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