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Journeyman Geek

3:00 PM

and the accuracy of the flag reason helps the mod decide faster what to do

but the action depends on the context and content

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek do moderators look on comments flags at all? After all, 3-4 flags cause auto deletion of a comment.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Contexant

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard quite often

Shadow Wizard

oh

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard ah

Journeyman Geek

3:01 PM

THe tools are a bit blunt

Shadow Wizard

note to self: post less rude comments

:D

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ don't ah on me! And that's your daily ping so you won't feel neglected. :D

HTTPS

@JourneymanGeek I agree with flagging problematic comment, but still... is there really a penalty? I'm uninformed of this because I've never been a mod :x

Journeyman Geek

@HTTPS I'll happily suspend folks for being dicks

or mod message them

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard I feel neglected when I get pinged

Journeyman Geek

I've never nuked an account for being one, but .... Lets just say if I need to do it, I'll feel a small amount of satisfaction. Cause someone has been really bad.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

3:04 PM

@JourneymanGeek or both. Or neither if they're being a Richard somewhere else

Shadow Wizard

@NogShine you have an imposter!!!

IDrinkandIKnowThings, Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrob-wllllantysiliogogogoch, Wales & Springfield IL

41.8k 9 36

(I thought that's you at first! lol)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard o.O why?

@ShadowWizard he has 41k rep, so it's more logical to assume @Nog is their impostor

Shadow Wizard

dunno what @Nog is doing on other sites.... ;)

When I see same or similar avatar, I assume same person at first glance.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Oh

Ah

Can't see the avatar

Journeyman Geek

....

@ShadowWizard dude. ;p

That username's a reference to the ava ;p

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

3:09 PM

@JourneymanGeek . . . ur face

Journeyman Geek

Tyrion lanister! The lanister sibling who only metaphorically screws with his family!

user287113

@Discretelizard Dude, how old are you? 12? What's this business of going around under comment sections of answers discussing how disappointed you are with me? Have you realized yet that the answers were wrong to the original question, or how much time do you require to do it? Anyway, I am out of this discussion and I won't support any "meta thing" on this website.

Discrete lizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Look at the chat. Figure out for yourselves.

Shadow Wizard

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Discretelizard well, a little scrolling didn't help, so

Discrete lizard

3:10 PM

@nbro Sigh. Take a look at what you just posted and tell who is the mature one.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard can't see that either

Discrete lizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Scroll more. Or watch the one attempting to attack

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Can you two just calm down?

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek hehe, I know very well... I am devoted watcher of GoT. :D

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard Giggling of Tom?

user287113

3:11 PM

Whatever. Apparently, you have nothing else to do all day in your life.

Journeyman Geek

(As opposed to me. I wander around fixing things)

Discrete lizard

@nbro Sigh. I do agree that my comments were a bit uncalled for. I'll remove them, now that you got the message. Excuse me for being mad to use my flags in a bad manner

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Sha can't persuade myself to watch GoT

Journeyman Geek

@nbro eh, dude, chill.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

throwing large ice cubes at @nbro

Journeyman Geek

3:12 PM

(also, this is roughly the second worst room in the network to drama in ;)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@JourneymanGeek the first being TL?

Journeyman Geek

So, erm, maybe you guys can take a moment to read back what you said, and realise... its a bit antagonistic?

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek yeah, it's like starting a fight in a police station.

Journeyman Geek

and its the internet, and its not really worth argueing over?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

How can it roughly be the second? It might be 2.31th?

@ShadowWizard now what's wrong with that?

Journeyman Geek

3:14 PM

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ XD TL fights are actually a pleasure to deal with?

HTTPS

inb4 Tavern got frozen forever by CM

Journeyman Geek

Once someone goes "eerm, guys, you're mods. YOU CAN'T GET SUSPENDED! PLEASE BEHAVE!"

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ nothing, unless you're one of those who fight. Most likely you'll find yourself kicked out or put in a cell soon enough. :D

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Fights in the hospitals are the best

Discrete lizard

@nbro Yeah, like wasting my time to fix everything. Notice my edits?

Shadow Wizard

3:15 PM

@JourneymanGeek diamond can be taken away with few clicks... ;)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard but its rare

Discrete lizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Don't worry, I'm out. No use in arguing with people that clearly are too angry.

Journeyman Geek

and usually, most arguements anywhere can be solved with a good amount of perspective

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek but possible...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

mumble mumble . . . I'll mumble mumble your mumble mumble

Shadow Wizard

3:16 PM

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ why?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard in theory

Discrete lizard

@nbro Oh and if I missed a comment you'd like to be removed, just ask

Journeyman Geek

would be an epic, sustained burn down tho

Discrete lizard

Later

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@JourneymanGeek where can I buy perspective?

Shadow Wizard

3:16 PM

status-going-to-buy-milk

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard that is the most important thing to do in the world, and it justifies a status message

@ShadowWizard dunno, Tolkien's world seems enough

And I'm not that geekily into it

Just shallowly like the movies

I think @SFTP withdrew from this conversation with disgust, which is not the same thing as apathy

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Probably Mustafa Centre

gotta go down to the basement tho, past the electronics section...

HTTPS

not Simlim?

Journeyman Geek

naw

user315433

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ It might have been apathy this time.

Journeyman Geek

3:28 PM

Sim Lim's for comptuter parts

for now

user315433

The before-coffee kind of apathy.

Journeyman Geek

:(

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@JourneymanGeek so how many perspectives are needed to dissolve the argument?

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ at least 2, but the trick is to swap the polarity, then flux the neutreno dampeners...

MetaEd

3:46 PM

@JourneymanGeek Just don't cross the streams.

Nog Shine

4:09 PM

@ShadowWizard That's not me. I have beard and moustache.

user315433

4:38 PM

Eleven 20K+ flaggers on SO: 131K Andy ♦, 72K Pang, 61K SFTP, 47K Jamal, 44K Floern, 37K Tunaki, 35K CRABOLO, 23K Bo Persson, 22K Taryn ♦, 22K gnat, 20K Mitch Wheat.

user315433

Of course, diamonds do not get flags counted as helpful, and CRABOLO is long gone.

user315433

5:08 PM

-3

Q: What programs, sites, applications of information technology can really be needed for people?

Now I'm losing interest in programming because the tasks have become boring. I want to direct my forces into what I would have believed. It is interesting to me to create what would really be necessary for society. I want to see feedback. I want to understand what is really needed.

website metaprogramming social

user315433

Maybe... more Q&A sites?

user315433

Or better moderation tools.

user315433

Belated realization: filtering CVQ by tags like [website] is a major boost in efficiency.

user315433

FR: a list of most closable tags, based on SEDE PostsWithDeleted data (it includes tags, right?)

rene

@SFTP yep

Discrete lizard

5:42 PM

Lol, QC doesn't want mods

Except one and @Robert Cartaino, but he politely declined!

I mean, I do get they want the one and don't want me, I'm a bit ...controversial. But noone else? We need 3, lol

And the one they voted for didn't even accept the nomination yet! I would be laughing harder if it wasn't so bad.

rene

→ 39 messages moved to Chimney

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

throwing @rene at chimney

rene

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ throws up

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

5:57 PM

You're supposed to suffocate

Is a flower throwing up same as pollinating?

rene

you don't want to know ...

Anonymous

I asked a dumb open-ended question internally and someone linked me to

Anonymous

1256

Q: What is the XY problem?

What is the XY problem? When asking questions, how do I recognize when I'm falling into it? How do I avoid it? Return to FAQ index

discussion faq asking-questions terminology

Anonymous

Nice.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@JeremyBanks so please read FAQ before asking a question.

We really hope you become a valid contributor!

rene

6:02 PM

Meh, I'll close vote it ....

Anonymous

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I had to double-take and confirm that you weren't actually a co-worker chastising me.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@JeremyBanks I am a non-co-worker teasing you

Anonymous

> I'm not sure the value of exploring such a hypothetical. What is your actual question‌?

user315433

7:06 PM

New post by Jon Ericson: Asking a question and getting comments

user315433

> Taken on it’s own that goal is both noble and revolutionary

user315433

ಠ_ಠ

user315433

Jon should ship some of those its-apostrophes to JourneymanGeek.

Shog9

Oxford apostrophes: "throw one in just to be safe"

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ no, the most important thing is gonig to pee, but I save you the need to know when I do that. ;)

user315433

7:13 PM

When answering, I didn't see any difference between Gerry, Alex, Sally, or Michelle. But I never asked a question... I'd rather scrutinize the Fortran source of LAPACK than ask a question on SO.

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ that's... very different. Tolkien's world is clean, innocent, for children... GoT world... the opposite. :D

Sonic Wizard

@Shog9 I understand many people don't really care about it, but I always get tripped up when someone makes that type of mistake or the opposite type. My mind has a background process that replaces "it's" with "it is", and so I read that sentence as "Taken on it is own that...". Then I have to backtrack and recognize that someone made a typo.

Shadow Wizard

@JeremyBanks what happened to its author? He's gray, looking sick. ;)

Shog9

@SonicWizard it's true, its very discombobulating

Shadow Wizard

disco what??

Shog9

7:16 PM

yes. confusing and worrying, just like disco

2

Sonic Wizard

@SFTP Yeah, me neither on all sites, but I always try to act nicer. I have a working mind program to make me act nicer; the only issue I have is when to run it.

Shog9

onomatopoeia

Noun: onomatopoeia (countable and uncountable, plural onomatopoeias or onomatopoeiae)

(uncountable) The property of a word of sounding like what it represents.
(countable) A word that sounds like what it represents, such as "gurgle" or "hiss".
(countable) A word that appropriates a sound for another sensation or a perceived nature; an ideophone, phenomime.
(uncountable, rhetoric) The use of language whose sound imitates that which it names.

There should be a word for words that cause the effect on readers that they describe

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 I take it you don't like to dance?

Shog9

only when the pavement is too hot to stand on

Jon Ericson

@SFTP Fortunately ~~its~~ it's easy enough to fix.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

7:19 PM

@SFTP ha, IKR

@Journeyman is extremely apostrophe deficient, which isn't good for his health

If he's among a bunch of muscular grammar nazis

Jon Ericson

@SFTP I find asking an order of magnitude harder than answering. I wouldn't be shocked if there were a gender-of-asker effect in the rudeness of comments, but I would be surprised if it were large.

Shadow Wizard

Some people just have "static readonly" mistakes, which is beyond their power to change by now. e.g. @Derpy has it with "mayor" instead of "major" - I stopped commenting about it long ago, and if done in posts, I edit it. (can't do it on chat though.)

Shog9

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ he's renounced apostrophes. A veritable apstrophate

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek can't see it in there

Sonic Wizard

8:06 PM

What's wrong with the content of this answer? (Yes, I know I reposted it, because I wanted to remove a paragraph, and but forgot to do so.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308383/…

Princess Luna

I think you're just getting downvoted for re-posting after getting a downvote

Sonic Wizard

Actually, I realized this user was themselves a sockpuppeteer, so I deleted my answer. (I can't post another one, since it's now closed as duplicate)

Sonic Wizard

8:59 PM

@SFTP @rene @ShadowWizard Can someone please update the recent feature changes to SE?

user315433

ch-ch-ch-changelog?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Repeating words in body: Косяк с полосой by Просто Цой on ru.stackoverflow.com

Anonymous

@Shog9 POC Implementation FWIW glitch.com/edit/#!/…

Shog9

9:15 PM

@JeremyBanks nifty. @MarcGravell & @TimPost were wondering about that earlier.

user315433

> Sleeping is no mean art: for its sake one must stay awake all day.

rene

9:38 PM

Can venture-capital (only 4 questions) be a synonym of business-model?

user315433

Maybe just retag those as business-model

rene

9:57 PM

yeah, that is an option, now done, and created the wiki for business model

user315433

Most closable tags among the top 5000: agile, scrum, licensing, open-source, documentation, project-management, programming-languages are above 20%.

rene

those first 4 have been in an socvr campaign and documentation is looked after by some members as I sometimes see rerquests for those coming by.

user315433

I expected that the output of the most common titles query would not change substantially over time, since one cannot create duplicate titles now. But... the current leader, "object reference not set to an instance of an object" (68 questions) was not even in the chart back then.

user315433

Or perhaps the duplicate block is more recent than I thought.

Shog9

Careful, someone's gonna suggest burning all of those tags now because certainly that will stop bad questions from being asked :-/

user315433

10:12 PM

Honeypots, like [website], should never be burned...

John Dvorak

Don't delete [PHP], feed it to SOCVR with a thick hose?

user315433

In one day, is_employee bit was flipped on CMO Adrianna, COO Jeff and former CFO Michael. Hmm.

user315433

Edited out "Tall" for privacy reasons; the height of employees is their private matter.

user315433

I hope Jeremy comes up with a viable renderer for SE content soon.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@SFTP I thought agile is full of spam

Shadow Wizard

10:31 PM

@SonicWizard why can't you? :)

Sonic Wizard

@ShadowWizard Because I'm not Omochao

Shadow Wizard

I update it sometimes when seeing a new feature

What features were added? @Sonic

user315433

There isn't anything to add, really.

user315433

Channels/Teams stuff is SO only.

Shadow Wizard

Maybe add "March 2018 - Nothing"? Like those meta posts about DAG progress?

user315433

10:36 PM

March is not over yet. Also, the absence of a month in the list is enough to say "nothing"

user315433

Some earlier months are missing too.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: windows could not start sql server ( error 1067 the process terminated unexpectedly) by Karen Mitchell on serverfault.com

Shadow Wizard

@SonicWizard you should edit existing answer, not delete and post a new answer. That's what we have the edit feature for. Plus, you replied to really bad question that should have been deleted, which it did. Shog's comment there nailed it really good.

@SFTP lol, sure. I was just kidding... ;)

Sonic Wizard

@ShadowWizard It was tainted by two downvotes because of that paragraph. In my experience, if people see something with a negative score, they don't actually read it and consider that it might actually be upvote-worthy under their standards. I figured, since it was within a minute of posting it, why not give it a clean start?

Shadow Wizard

@SFTP what day? Today?? Anyway, wonder if Adrianna is the only employee who has/had unregistered account....

Sonic Wizard

10:42 PM

I once lost a privilege just for expressing an unpopular opinion. I don't like that. So when the system offers to give me back a privilege in exchange for recanting my opinion, I spring on it.

Adam Lear

@ShadowWizard seems like a mistake in the account type change. should be registered

Shadow Wizard

@SonicWizard it's wrong. Correct path is editing. So what if it's downvoted? Your basic mistake is seeing this as "tainted", "dirty", whatever bad context. Downvotes are essential for SE, and I'm surprised you fall into the same pit as so many others, thinking downvotes are personal/bad/hunting you down.

Sonic Wizard

I find this similar to employers retaliating, or oppression of certain groups.

@ShadowWizard TBH if this was on a per-site meta, I would have edited.

Shadow Wizard

@AdamLear oh. Too late to change? Or too minor, I guess, since she's no longer employee.

Sonic Wizard

@ShadowWizard No, that's not what I think. I'm not too concerned about the votes. I don't really take them personally. What I don't like is the system, how people can lose rep and possibly lose permissions just for expressing an unpopular viewpoint.

Adam Lear

10:46 PM

@ShadowWizard eh? why would it be too late?

I just want to check with IT first to see what happened since they take care of these changes, and if there's a bug... we should fix it

Shadow Wizard

@AdamLear dunno, you have handy tool to change it?

user315433

Cross-site spammer. — M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ 15 mins ago

Shadow Wizard

@SonicWizard even 50 downvotes can be compensated with few good answers, so it's not a reason to make shortcuts, IMO.

Adam Lear

you could say that... :)

user315433

M.A.R disapproves spamming.

Shadow Wizard

10:48 PM

@AdamLear awesome!

@SFTP umm... @M.A.R. that spammer has no other accounts, why "cross site"?

user315433

@ShadowWizard Yes, today. Though some of that was expected, Adrianna accepted a position elsewhere a while back.

Shadow Wizard

anyway, spam nuked now.

user315433

@ShadowWizard Separate accounts with same username and same link.

Shadow Wizard

@SFTP but Jeff is not employee for years, and even lost his diamond long months ago.

So all this time he was still marked as employee?

user315433

A different Jeff, the tall one.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

10:51 PM

@SFTP you think?

Shadow Wizard

?

Tall Jeff?

Sonic Wizard

@ShadowWizard Please give this a read:

Voting behavior on meta and inclusivity

Jan 18 at 23:44, 56 minutes total – 105 messages, 3 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked Jan 19 at 0:41 by Sonic Wizard

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Go ahead, flag my comment. I double dare ya. ಠ_ಠ

user315433

@ShadowWizard My message had profile links... meta.stackexchange.com/users/1553/tall-jeff

Sonic Wizard

I followed the advice here:

Jan 18 at 23:48, by M.A.R.

People delete and repost all the time

SmokeDetector

10:52 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: error 1067 process terminated unexpectedly by Karen Mitchell on dba.SE

Sonic Wizard

@ShadowWizard ^^Look

user315433

"Stack Overflow Coveted Associate" is a variation of "Stack Overflow Valued Associate"... there are probably also Stack Overflow Cherished Associates

Shadow Wizard

@SFTP huh. I saw "Jeff" and didn't even bother to click, lol.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@SonicWizard whoa whoa whoa, what's going on?

Sonic Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I deleted an answer within a minute of posting it because it contained a paragraph expressing an unpopular viewpoint. Then, I reposted it with just the bit that answers the question directly, and I still got downvoted.

Shadow Wizard

10:54 PM

Well, he didn't edit neither his profile page nor LinkedIn. Looks like another surprise layoff. :(

Sonic Wizard

...because someone identified it as a repost and commented.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@SonicWizard that's okayish

Shadow Wizard

@SonicWizard people also do bad things all the times... not a reason to do the same.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Of course, what I said works in a context

Sonic Wizard

3 hours ago, by Princess Luna

I think you're just getting downvoted for re-posting after getting a downvote

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

10:55 PM

And the more exposure it gets, the less okayish

@SonicWizard by the same person, I guess

Why is the downvote such a big deal, again?

Shadow Wizard

@SonicWizard she got a point, I'lll indeed downvote based on that, if the answer isn't good enough to justify upvote.

Sonic Wizard

@ShadowWizard @M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ 10k-only: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308383/…

Shadow Wizard

@SonicWizard also, you really should not remove parts of your answers just because they are "not popular".

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@SonicWizard Erm.

@ShadowWizard well, yes they can.

This is all too confusing

Shadow Wizard

@SonicWizard saw it already, what about it?

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ of course they can, but better not... we should stick to what we believe in, not act based on the votes we'll get.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

10:59 PM

@ShadowWizard my take is his take was it wasn't directly answering the question

Yeah, I have no idea what's the post we're talking about

Shadow Wizard

I sometimes edit to clarify "unpopular" parts in my posts which attract downvotes, but think I never removed them.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard such boldness can only come from a wizard

Sonic Wizard

Let me say this again: if the system offers to give you back a privilege in exchange for recanting your unpopular viewpoint, would you take it? (This isn't what happened here, but it's actually happened to me on a different post.)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I have either deleted the whole thing, or left it alone when I'm obviously right.

Or stubborn

Shadow Wizard

@SonicWizard no, I won't take it, because it doesn't smell good.

I'll take the hit and move on. :)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

11:02 PM

@SonicWizard depends on how firm my grip is on the viewpoint

Sometimes the camera is shaky

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ because you shake it

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

No. I only shake milkshakes

Sonic Wizard

I actually lost a privilege for posting an unpopular feature request. At first I thought I'd stick with it, but then I decided to retract it. Trouble is, it had already been answered at the time.

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ ohh... I had a great milkshake a week ago... yummy.

Sonic Wizard

@ShadowWizard Did you read the conversation I linked above?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

11:03 PM

Common @Sha Wiz, some beliefs are less equal than the others

@ShadowWizard A week ago? That's like a year ago

Shadow Wizard

@SonicWizard not sure which you mean

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ no, I can still feel the taste. I was that good. :D

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@SonicWizard now you've regained it. Downvotes' penalty means nothing for you now

Even dozens of them

Shadow Wizard

Ice cream shake, to be accurate. Bitter chocolate with espresso... strawberries... and I think Mango? All shaked together with milk for a perfect milkshake. :P

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard that wasn't milkshake then

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ ^^

Sonic Wizard

11:05 PM

Jan 19 at 0:19, by Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

Look, what goes on in my mind is "hey, I had 127 steps to go before I get to see view counts. But just because I expressed an unpopular opinion, I've been thrown back two steps; now I need 129."

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard Check your neighborhood for Russian spies

@SonicWizard that's still a very, VERY cynical viewpoint

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ nah, they won't bother to be here. We cause ourselves enough damage. ;)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard then check for Israeli spies

Ugh, my fistula needle mark is itching. If I scratch it, it'll bleed. So I'm stuck in a very critical life dilemma

Sonic Wizard

(And just to give you even more proof that it's specifically about expressing unpopular viewpoints that I'm concerned about - I recently argued that one of my downvoted questions on SO on which I put a bounty, which was on the way to being deleted, should be kept. Of course, I would stand to gain 100+ rep from its deletion, but I wanted it kept because it helped people.)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

To scratch or not to scratch

That is the question

Shadow Wizard

11:08 PM

@SonicWizard oh. Well, to be honest, I upvoted it. (not now, back when it was posted. :))

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Without the question mark

@SonicWizard that's almost always objective stuff

Shadow Wizard

@SFTP sure, now go find them! ;)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Your viewpoint would be logical if it will be the last thing you post

Heck, even the last vote you get

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ scratch like your life depends on it

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@SFTP and Stack Overflow Clandestine Associate

@ShadowWizard you're bad news

Shadow Wizard

11:11 PM

Seriously though.... scratching something really itchy after you wait for a while feels.... good. :D

Sonic Wizard

In other words, to reiterate for those just joining in, the only thing I don't like is losing rep just for expressing an unpopular viewpoint on meta.

Shadow Wizard

@SonicWizard but that's how meta work

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I know!

Scratch!

You can do it!

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

BTW, @Sonic . . . Yeah, your name is a bit confusing when you and @Sha are both talking. Especially since I can't see your avatar

Sonic Wizard

@ShadowWizard Really? So you think that a person no longer deserves the ability to vote to close, or view deleted posts, just because they disagreed with the community?! ( :) of course)

Shadow Wizard

yesterday, by Sonic Wizard

@JourneymanGeek Do you think that with my new username, people are likely to confuse me as @ShadowWizard ?

So, Yes ^

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

11:13 PM

@ShadowWizard I was answering that

Sonic Wizard

How about back when we were called "Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog" and "Shadow the Hedgehog Wizard"? Chat would shorten those to "Sonic the" and "Shadow the".

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

3 mins ago, by M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Your viewpoint would be logical if it will be the last thing you post

3 mins ago, by M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Heck, even the last vote you get

Anonymous

@ShadowWizard Yes

Shadow Wizard

Did you scratch? @M.A.R.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard I scratched my head

Shadow Wizard

11:14 PM

nooooo

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@JeremyBanks yes

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Yes

Sonic Wizard

To be honest, the rep I've earned is very valuable to me. (Note: I'm referring to rep I've earned, not to new rep. I don't hunt for rep.)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard Yea

@SonicWizard I hunt for rep

user315433

@SonicWizard People deserve all kinds of things. They don't necessarily get them, because the reality refuses to conform to our ideas of what is fair.

Sonic Wizard

11:15 PM

@ShadowWizard By the way, did you read the linked conversation? Could you please do that before asking more questions? About half of what I've said is just repeating myself from that conversation.

Shadow Wizard

@SonicWizard well, yes. But on the other hand, it's easy enough to gain all those abilities back, and more. It's not like you get suspended.

@SonicWizard no, too long for me, and I have to go 15 minutes ago. :(

I'm on grace period now

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard time travel

Shadow Wizard

lol

I'll blame you all for being tired tomorrow

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard editing @Sha

Shadow Wizard

no, don't end my grace period... no... vanishing

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

11:17 PM

@ShadowWizard we're just replacing caffeine

Anonymous

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Anonymous

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

It's 3:47 a.m. here

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ but you don't have to wake up at 6:30 AM

Sonic Wizard

I was 398 steps away from getting the ability to VTC. But just because I posted an unpopular answer, I was initially set back four steps to 402 steps. I could get those four steps back, but that's not really fair because if I did the exact same thing minus the unpopular post, I would have been 394 steps away, not 398. It's absolutely worthless.

And if I wanted to be 394 steps away, I could have just taken four steps, whereas since I expressed an unpopular viewpoint, I have to take twice as many steps.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

11:19 PM

@Joel, your my hero. — Earlz Feb 15 '10 at 22:31

GRAMMAR ALERT

Anonymous

@SonicWizard Voting/privileges on meta doesn't make precise sense.

Anonymous

It's "good enough" to satisfy the loose requirements of the system, and so that's what it is.

John Dvorak

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ were two latte

Anonymous

Ideally, voting and privileges on meta should operate very differently, I and many agree.

Shadow Wizard

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

11:21 PM

@JohnDvorak I'm just a modest espresso

Shadow Wizard

two latte ^^

Sonic Wizard

(Gives me an idea. Stack Exchange board game with cards. One card could say, "Post an unpopular feature request on meta. Move back three spaces.")

Anonymous

But meta already has more privileged people than it needs; it's not worth spending much time to as a special case. (Or so the thinking probably goes.)

Shadow Wizard

@JeremyBanks I think @Sonic just love to have the power, which is totally understandable. :)

Anonymous

My pet issue is that I think vote counts should always be split open on meta.

John Dvorak

11:22 PM

I never get my lattes decorated :-(

Shadow Wizard

@JohnDvorak you don't pay enough

Anonymous

@ShadowWizard Sure, I definitely sympathize with the emotion.

Anonymous

It is not fair. That is unfortunate. But it probably won't change.

John Dvorak

I need to order a cappuccino if I want art

Sonic Wizard

@ShadowWizard No, you've got the power, because you've got the emeralds.

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@JeremyBanks Please read

Shadow Wizard

11:24 PM

@SonicWizard I'm happy with my power... to be honest I didn't expect to have it back when I started using SE, but having it gives a good feeling. :)

But I won't be overly sad/angry if losing it due to downvotes.

Anonymous

@SonicWizard I agree with the gist. Downvotes probably shouldn't cost rep on MSE. On per-site metas, there is no cost to unpopular ideas.

Sonic Wizard

Well, you've already got a comfortable amount of disposable rep

@JeremyBanks Did you see the proposal there?

Anonymous

Yeah. I think I saw a proposal for something like that before.

Anonymous

It's a good idea if we were building a meta site from scratch. While we're at it, we could improve the election system.

Sonic Wizard

Restrict the definition of voting to that of main Q&A sites, and introduce a separate set of agreement/disagreement votes that don't affect rep in any way.

(for those unwilling to click)

Anonymous

11:27 PM

But it's a ton of complexity to add to the existing system, which already works more-or-less good enough.

Anonymous

I, personally, would like to see it. I like the idea.

Anonymous

but if I were allocating resources this wouldn't be near the top of the list, in terms of ROI.

Shog9

So many people want more honest explanations for voting on meta...

Journeyman Geek

Morning

Shog9

"Things I like, expressed in a way I enjoy"
          ^
          v
"Bad ideas, expressed badly"

2

Sonic Wizard

11:29 PM

@Shog9 When did you initially catch on to the conversation I was having just now?

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I spell as I 'speak' and apostrophies in it's have no sound.

Shog9

checks watch

Journeyman Geek

and spellcheck dosen't catch it

Shog9

Not quite 9 years

Anonymous

@Shog9 Bad feeling: "Thing I like, expressed well" closed as duplicate of "Thing I like, expressed terribly"

Anonymous

11:30 PM

modern dupe philosophy is better about that, though.

Shog9

I prefer to close good presentations on terrible ideas as duplicates of terrible presentations of terrible ideas. Takes the shine off 'em faster.

Anonymous

>_<

Shog9

We owe a tremendous debt to certain early meta participants who were obnoxiously blatant about the reasons for wanting certain features.

"I want private messaging so that I can harass people who've answered a lot of questions but not mine"

"I want to see who voted so that I can harass people who don't vote the way I want them to"

"I want all quality controls to be dropped so that I don't have to think about what I write"

Journeyman Geek

In short, had terrible ideas and were arses about it? ;p

Sonic Wizard

@JourneymanGeek Yep

Shog9

11:33 PM

It's the best, really.

Sonic Wizard

@JourneymanGeek As I said, if I see "it's", my brain automatically converts it to "it is". So when people misuse it, I get confused.

Journeyman Geek

I misuse its, so its fine.

Shog9

You gotta always indicate ownership. When an its doesn't own it's is, its taking poor care of it.

user202362

when you say "People's republic of" some country, it tends to indicate a dictatorship

Jon Ericson

11:51 PM

@SonicWizard It's got to be hard when people use the present perfect.

Sonic Wizard

@JourneymanGeek How about "arn't"

Journeyman Geek

I think I spell that with an e for some reason

Jon Ericson

@JourneymanGeek I blame dictionaries.

Journeyman Geek

@JonEricson I'll stick to blaming dyslexia and carelessness, since spellcheck would catch that

@SonicWizard aren't doesn't sound like anything else

OH

its spelled with an e.

Sonic Wizard

Edge caught that and corrected it, by the way

Journeyman Geek

11:56 PM

heh, I run vivaldi

(so something quite similar, to but not entirely unlike chrome)

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