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3:00 PM
and the accuracy of the flag reason helps the mod decide faster what to do
but the action depends on the context and content
 
@JourneymanGeek do moderators look on comments flags at all? After all, 3-4 flags cause auto deletion of a comment.
 
Contexant
 
@ShadowWizard quite often
 
@ShadowWizard ah
 
3:01 PM
THe tools are a bit blunt
 
note to self: post less rude comments
:D
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ don't ah on me! And that's your daily ping so you won't feel neglected. :D
 
@JourneymanGeek I agree with flagging problematic comment, but still... is there really a penalty? I'm uninformed of this because I've never been a mod :x
 
@HTTPS I'll happily suspend folks for being dicks
or mod message them
 
@ShadowWizard I feel neglected when I get pinged
 
I've never nuked an account for being one, but .... Lets just say if I need to do it, I'll feel a small amount of satisfaction. Cause someone has been really bad.
 
3:04 PM
@JourneymanGeek or both. Or neither if they're being a Richard somewhere else
 
@NogShine you have an imposter!!!
IDrinkandIKnowThings, Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrob-wllllantysiliogogogoch, Wales & Springfield IL
41.8k 9 36
(I thought that's you at first! lol)
 
@ShadowWizard o.O why?
@ShadowWizard he has 41k rep, so it's more logical to assume @Nog is their impostor
 
dunno what @Nog is doing on other sites.... ;)
When I see same or similar avatar, I assume same person at first glance.
 
Oh
Ah
Can't see the avatar
 
....
@ShadowWizard dude. ;p
That username's a reference to the ava ;p
 
3:09 PM
@JourneymanGeek . . . ur face
 
Tyrion lanister! The lanister sibling who only metaphorically screws with his family!
 
@Discretelizard Dude, how old are you? 12? What's this business of going around under comment sections of answers discussing how disappointed you are with me? Have you realized yet that the answers were wrong to the original question, or how much time do you require to do it? Anyway, I am out of this discussion and I won't support any "meta thing" on this website.
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Look at the chat. Figure out for yourselves.
 
@Discretelizard well, a little scrolling didn't help, so
 
3:10 PM
@nbro Sigh. Take a look at what you just posted and tell who is the mature one.
 
@ShadowWizard can't see that either
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Scroll more. Or watch the one attempting to attack
 
Can you two just calm down?
 
@JourneymanGeek hehe, I know very well... I am devoted watcher of GoT. :D
 
@ShadowWizard Giggling of Tom?
 
3:11 PM
Whatever. Apparently, you have nothing else to do all day in your life.
 
(As opposed to me. I wander around fixing things)
 
@nbro Sigh. I do agree that my comments were a bit uncalled for. I'll remove them, now that you got the message. Excuse me for being mad to use my flags in a bad manner
 
@Sha can't persuade myself to watch GoT
 
@nbro eh, dude, chill.
 
throwing large ice cubes at @nbro
 
3:12 PM
(also, this is roughly the second worst room in the network to drama in ;)
 
@JourneymanGeek the first being TL?
 
So, erm, maybe you guys can take a moment to read back what you said, and realise... its a bit antagonistic?
 
@JourneymanGeek yeah, it's like starting a fight in a police station.
 
and its the internet, and its not really worth argueing over?
 
How can it roughly be the second? It might be 2.31th?
@ShadowWizard now what's wrong with that?
 
3:14 PM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ XD TL fights are actually a pleasure to deal with?
 
inb4 Tavern got frozen forever by CM
 
Once someone goes "eerm, guys, you're mods. YOU CAN'T GET SUSPENDED! PLEASE BEHAVE!"
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ nothing, unless you're one of those who fight. Most likely you'll find yourself kicked out or put in a cell soon enough. :D
 
Fights in the hospitals are the best
 
@nbro Yeah, like wasting my time to fix everything. Notice my edits?
 
3:15 PM
@JourneymanGeek diamond can be taken away with few clicks... ;)
 
@ShadowWizard but its rare
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Don't worry, I'm out. No use in arguing with people that clearly are too angry.
 
and usually, most arguements anywhere can be solved with a good amount of perspective
 
@JourneymanGeek but possible...
 
mumble mumble . . . I'll mumble mumble your mumble mumble
 
3:16 PM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ why?
 
@ShadowWizard in theory
 
@nbro Oh and if I missed a comment you'd like to be removed, just ask
 
would be an epic, sustained burn down tho
 
@JourneymanGeek where can I buy perspective?
 
3:16 PM
status-going-to-buy-milk
 
@ShadowWizard that is the most important thing to do in the world, and it justifies a status message
@ShadowWizard dunno, Tolkien's world seems enough
And I'm not that geekily into it
Just shallowly like the movies
I think @SFTP withdrew from this conversation with disgust, which is not the same thing as apathy
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Probably Mustafa Centre
gotta go down to the basement tho, past the electronics section...
 
not Simlim?
 
user315433
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ It might have been apathy this time.
 
3:28 PM
Sim Lim's for comptuter parts
for now
 
user315433
The before-coffee kind of apathy.
 
@JourneymanGeek so how many perspectives are needed to dissolve the argument?
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ at least 2, but the trick is to swap the polarity, then flux the neutreno dampeners...
 
3:46 PM
@JourneymanGeek Just don't cross the streams.
 
4:09 PM
@ShadowWizard That's not me. I have beard and moustache.
 
user315433
4:38 PM
Eleven 20K+ flaggers on SO: 131K Andy ♦, 72K Pang, 61K SFTP, 47K Jamal, 44K Floern, 37K Tunaki, 35K CRABOLO, 23K Bo Persson, 22K Taryn ♦, 22K gnat, 20K Mitch Wheat.
 
user315433
Of course, diamonds do not get flags counted as helpful, and CRABOLO is long gone.
 
user315433
5:08 PM
-3
Q: What programs, sites, applications of information technology can really be needed for people?

Bulat UsmanovNow I'm losing interest in programming because the tasks have become boring. I want to direct my forces into what I would have believed. It is interesting to me to create what would really be necessary for society. I want to see feedback. I want to understand what is really needed.

 
user315433
Maybe... more Q&A sites?
 
user315433
Or better moderation tools.
 
user315433
Belated realization: filtering CVQ by tags like [website] is a major boost in efficiency.
 
user315433
FR: a list of most closable tags, based on SEDE PostsWithDeleted data (it includes tags, right?)
 
@SFTP yep
 
5:42 PM
Lol, QC doesn't want mods
Except one and @Robert Cartaino, but he politely declined!
I mean, I do get they want the one and don't want me, I'm a bit ...controversial. But noone else? We need 3, lol
And the one they voted for didn't even accept the nomination yet! I would be laughing harder if it wasn't so bad.
 
39 messages moved to Chimney
 
throwing @rene at chimney
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ throws up
 
5:57 PM
You're supposed to suffocate
Is a flower throwing up same as pollinating?
 
you don't want to know ...
 
Anonymous
I asked a dumb open-ended question internally and someone linked me to
 
Anonymous
1256
Q: What is the XY problem?

GnomeWhat is the XY problem? When asking questions, how do I recognize when I'm falling into it? How do I avoid it? Return to FAQ index

 
Anonymous
Nice.
 
@JeremyBanks so please read FAQ before asking a question.
We really hope you become a valid contributor!
 
6:02 PM
Meh, I'll close vote it ....
 
Anonymous
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I had to double-take and confirm that you weren't actually a co-worker chastising me.
 
@JeremyBanks I am a non-co-worker teasing you
 
Anonymous
> I'm not sure the value of exploring such a hypothetical. What is your actual question‌​?
 
user315433
7:06 PM
New post by Jon Ericson: Asking a question and getting comments
 
user315433
> Taken on it’s own that goal is both noble and revolutionary
 
user315433
ಠ_ಠ
 
user315433
Jon should ship some of those its-apostrophes to JourneymanGeek.
 
Oxford apostrophes: "throw one in just to be safe"
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ no, the most important thing is gonig to pee, but I save you the need to know when I do that. ;)
 
user315433
7:13 PM
When answering, I didn't see any difference between Gerry, Alex, Sally, or Michelle. But I never asked a question... I'd rather scrutinize the Fortran source of LAPACK than ask a question on SO.
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ that's... very different. Tolkien's world is clean, innocent, for children... GoT world... the opposite. :D
 
@Shog9 I understand many people don't really care about it, but I always get tripped up when someone makes that type of mistake or the opposite type. My mind has a background process that replaces "it's" with "it is", and so I read that sentence as "Taken on it is own that...". Then I have to backtrack and recognize that someone made a typo.
 
@JeremyBanks what happened to its author? He's gray, looking sick. ;)
 
@SonicWizard it's true, its very discombobulating
 
disco what??
 
7:16 PM
yes. confusing and worrying, just like disco
2
 
@SFTP Yeah, me neither on all sites, but I always try to act nicer. I have a working mind program to make me act nicer; the only issue I have is when to run it.
 
Noun: onomatopoeia (countable and uncountable, plural onomatopoeias or onomatopoeiae)
  1. (uncountable) The property of a word of sounding like what it represents.
  2. (countable) A word that sounds like what it represents, such as "gurgle" or "hiss".
  3. (countable) A word that appropriates a sound for another sensation or a perceived nature; an ideophone, phenomime.
  4. (uncountable, rhetoric) The use of language whose sound imitates that which it names.
There should be a word for words that cause the effect on readers that they describe
 
@Shog9 I take it you don't like to dance?
 
only when the pavement is too hot to stand on
 
@SFTP Fortunately its it's easy enough to fix.
 
7:19 PM
@SFTP ha, IKR
@Journeyman is extremely apostrophe deficient, which isn't good for his health
If he's among a bunch of muscular grammar nazis
 
@SFTP I find asking an order of magnitude harder than answering. I wouldn't be shocked if there were a gender-of-asker effect in the rudeness of comments, but I would be surprised if it were large.
 
Some people just have "static readonly" mistakes, which is beyond their power to change by now. e.g. @Derpy has it with "mayor" instead of "major" - I stopped commenting about it long ago, and if done in posts, I edit it. (can't do it on chat though.)
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ he's renounced apostrophes. A veritable apstrophate
 
@JourneymanGeek can't see it in there
 
8:06 PM
What's wrong with the content of this answer? (Yes, I know I reposted it, because I wanted to remove a paragraph, and but forgot to do so.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308383/…
 
I think you're just getting downvoted for re-posting after getting a downvote
 
Actually, I realized this user was themselves a sockpuppeteer, so I deleted my answer. (I can't post another one, since it's now closed as duplicate)
 
8:59 PM
@SFTP @rene @ShadowWizard Can someone please update the recent feature changes to SE?
 
user315433
ch-ch-ch-changelog?
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Repeating words in body: Косяк с полосой by Просто Цой on ru.stackoverflow.com
 
Anonymous
@Shog9 POC Implementation FWIW glitch.com/edit/#!/…
 
9:15 PM
@JeremyBanks nifty. @MarcGravell & @TimPost were wondering about that earlier.
 
user315433
> Sleeping is no mean art: for its sake one must stay awake all day.
 
9:38 PM
Can (only 4 questions) be a synonym of ?
 
user315433
Maybe just retag those as business-model
 
9:57 PM
yeah, that is an option, now done, and created the wiki for business model
 
user315433
Most closable tags among the top 5000: agile, scrum, licensing, open-source, documentation, project-management, programming-languages are above 20%.
 
those first 4 have been in an socvr campaign and documentation is looked after by some members as I sometimes see rerquests for those coming by.
 
user315433
I expected that the output of the most common titles query would not change substantially over time, since one cannot create duplicate titles now. But... the current leader, "object reference not set to an instance of an object" (68 questions) was not even in the chart back then.
 
user315433
Or perhaps the duplicate block is more recent than I thought.
 
Careful, someone's gonna suggest burning all of those tags now because certainly that will stop bad questions from being asked :-/
 
user315433
10:12 PM
Honeypots, like [website], should never be burned...
 
Don't delete [PHP], feed it to SOCVR with a thick hose?
 
user315433
In one day, is_employee bit was flipped on CMO Adrianna, COO Jeff and former CFO Michael. Hmm.
 
user315433
Edited out "Tall" for privacy reasons; the height of employees is their private matter.
 
user315433
I hope Jeremy comes up with a viable renderer for SE content soon.
 
@SFTP I thought agile is full of spam
 
10:31 PM
@SonicWizard why can't you? :)
 
@ShadowWizard Because I'm not Omochao
 
I update it sometimes when seeing a new feature
What features were added? @Sonic
 
user315433
There isn't anything to add, really.
 
user315433
Channels/Teams stuff is SO only.
 
Maybe add "March 2018 - Nothing"? Like those meta posts about DAG progress?
 
user315433
10:36 PM
March is not over yet. Also, the absence of a month in the list is enough to say "nothing"
 
user315433
Some earlier months are missing too.
 
@SonicWizard you should edit existing answer, not delete and post a new answer. That's what we have the edit feature for. Plus, you replied to really bad question that should have been deleted, which it did. Shog's comment there nailed it really good.
@SFTP lol, sure. I was just kidding... ;)
 
@ShadowWizard It was tainted by two downvotes because of that paragraph. In my experience, if people see something with a negative score, they don't actually read it and consider that it might actually be upvote-worthy under their standards. I figured, since it was within a minute of posting it, why not give it a clean start?
 
@SFTP what day? Today?? Anyway, wonder if Adrianna is the only employee who has/had unregistered account....
 
10:42 PM
I once lost a privilege just for expressing an unpopular opinion. I don't like that. So when the system offers to give me back a privilege in exchange for recanting my opinion, I spring on it.
 
@ShadowWizard seems like a mistake in the account type change. should be registered
 
@SonicWizard it's wrong. Correct path is editing. So what if it's downvoted? Your basic mistake is seeing this as "tainted", "dirty", whatever bad context. Downvotes are essential for SE, and I'm surprised you fall into the same pit as so many others, thinking downvotes are personal/bad/hunting you down.
 
I find this similar to employers retaliating, or oppression of certain groups.
@ShadowWizard TBH if this was on a per-site meta, I would have edited.
 
@AdamLear oh. Too late to change? Or too minor, I guess, since she's no longer employee.
 
@ShadowWizard No, that's not what I think. I'm not too concerned about the votes. I don't really take them personally. What I don't like is the system, how people can lose rep and possibly lose permissions just for expressing an unpopular viewpoint.
 
10:46 PM
@ShadowWizard eh? why would it be too late?
I just want to check with IT first to see what happened since they take care of these changes, and if there's a bug... we should fix it
 
@AdamLear dunno, you have handy tool to change it?
 
user315433
Cross-site spammer. — M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ 15 mins ago
 
@SonicWizard even 50 downvotes can be compensated with few good answers, so it's not a reason to make shortcuts, IMO.
 
you could say that... :)
 
user315433
M.A.R disapproves spamming.
 
10:48 PM
@AdamLear awesome!
@SFTP umm... @M.A.R. that spammer has no other accounts, why "cross site"?
 
user315433
@ShadowWizard Yes, today. Though some of that was expected, Adrianna accepted a position elsewhere a while back.
 
anyway, spam nuked now.
 
user315433
@ShadowWizard Separate accounts with same username and same link.
 
@SFTP but Jeff is not employee for years, and even lost his diamond long months ago.
So all this time he was still marked as employee?
 
user315433
A different Jeff, the tall one.
 
10:51 PM
@SFTP you think?
 
?
Tall Jeff?
 
@ShadowWizard Please give this a read:

Voting behavior on meta and inclusivity

Jan 18 at 23:44, 56 minutes total – 105 messages, 3 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked Jan 19 at 0:41 by Sonic Wizard

 
Go ahead, flag my comment. I double dare ya. ಠ_ಠ
 
user315433
@ShadowWizard My message had profile links... meta.stackexchange.com/users/1553/tall-jeff
 
I followed the advice here:
Jan 18 at 23:48, by M.A.R.
People delete and repost all the time
 
10:52 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: error 1067 process terminated unexpectedly by Karen Mitchell on dba.SE
 
@ShadowWizard ^^Look
 
user315433
"Stack Overflow Coveted Associate" is a variation of "Stack Overflow Valued Associate"... there are probably also Stack Overflow Cherished Associates
 
@SFTP huh. I saw "Jeff" and didn't even bother to click, lol.
 
@SonicWizard whoa whoa whoa, what's going on?
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I deleted an answer within a minute of posting it because it contained a paragraph expressing an unpopular viewpoint. Then, I reposted it with just the bit that answers the question directly, and I still got downvoted.
 
10:54 PM
Well, he didn't edit neither his profile page nor LinkedIn. Looks like another surprise layoff. :(
 
...because someone identified it as a repost and commented.
 
@SonicWizard that's okayish
 
@SonicWizard people also do bad things all the times... not a reason to do the same.
 
Of course, what I said works in a context
 
3 hours ago, by Princess Luna
I think you're just getting downvoted for re-posting after getting a downvote
 
10:55 PM
And the more exposure it gets, the less okayish
@SonicWizard by the same person, I guess
Why is the downvote such a big deal, again?
 
@SonicWizard she got a point, I'lll indeed downvote based on that, if the answer isn't good enough to justify upvote.
 
@ShadowWizard @M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ 10k-only: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308383/…
 
@SonicWizard also, you really should not remove parts of your answers just because they are "not popular".
 
@SonicWizard Erm.
@ShadowWizard well, yes they can.
This is all too confusing
 
@SonicWizard saw it already, what about it?
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ of course they can, but better not... we should stick to what we believe in, not act based on the votes we'll get.
 
10:59 PM
@ShadowWizard my take is his take was it wasn't directly answering the question
Yeah, I have no idea what's the post we're talking about
 
I sometimes edit to clarify "unpopular" parts in my posts which attract downvotes, but think I never removed them.
 
@ShadowWizard such boldness can only come from a wizard
 
Let me say this again: if the system offers to give you back a privilege in exchange for recanting your unpopular viewpoint, would you take it? (This isn't what happened here, but it's actually happened to me on a different post.)
 
I have either deleted the whole thing, or left it alone when I'm obviously right.
Or stubborn
 
@SonicWizard no, I won't take it, because it doesn't smell good.
I'll take the hit and move on. :)
 
11:02 PM
@SonicWizard depends on how firm my grip is on the viewpoint
Sometimes the camera is shaky
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ because you shake it
 
No. I only shake milkshakes
 
I actually lost a privilege for posting an unpopular feature request. At first I thought I'd stick with it, but then I decided to retract it. Trouble is, it had already been answered at the time.
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ ohh... I had a great milkshake a week ago... yummy.
 
@ShadowWizard Did you read the conversation I linked above?
 
11:03 PM
Common @Sha Wiz, some beliefs are less equal than the others
@ShadowWizard A week ago? That's like a year ago
 
@SonicWizard not sure which you mean
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ no, I can still feel the taste. I was that good. :D
 
@SonicWizard now you've regained it. Downvotes' penalty means nothing for you now
Even dozens of them
 
Ice cream shake, to be accurate. Bitter chocolate with espresso... strawberries... and I think Mango? All shaked together with milk for a perfect milkshake. :P
 
@ShadowWizard that wasn't milkshake then
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ ^^
 
11:05 PM
Jan 19 at 0:19, by Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
Look, what goes on in my mind is "hey, I had 127 steps to go before I get to see view counts. But just because I expressed an unpopular opinion, I've been thrown back two steps; now I need 129."
 
@ShadowWizard Check your neighborhood for Russian spies
@SonicWizard that's still a very, VERY cynical viewpoint
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ nah, they won't bother to be here. We cause ourselves enough damage. ;)
 
@ShadowWizard then check for Israeli spies
Ugh, my fistula needle mark is itching. If I scratch it, it'll bleed. So I'm stuck in a very critical life dilemma
 
(And just to give you even more proof that it's specifically about expressing unpopular viewpoints that I'm concerned about - I recently argued that one of my downvoted questions on SO on which I put a bounty, which was on the way to being deleted, should be kept. Of course, I would stand to gain 100+ rep from its deletion, but I wanted it kept because it helped people.)
 
To scratch or not to scratch
That is the question
 
11:08 PM
@SonicWizard oh. Well, to be honest, I upvoted it. (not now, back when it was posted. :))
 
Without the question mark
@SonicWizard that's almost always objective stuff
 
@SFTP sure, now go find them! ;)
 
Your viewpoint would be logical if it will be the last thing you post
Heck, even the last vote you get
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ scratch like your life depends on it
 
@SFTP and Stack Overflow Clandestine Associate
@ShadowWizard you're bad news
 
11:11 PM
Seriously though.... scratching something really itchy after you wait for a while feels.... good. :D
 
In other words, to reiterate for those just joining in, the only thing I don't like is losing rep just for expressing an unpopular viewpoint on meta.
 
@SonicWizard but that's how meta work
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I know!
Scratch!
You can do it!
 
BTW, @Sonic . . . Yeah, your name is a bit confusing when you and @Sha are both talking. Especially since I can't see your avatar
 
@ShadowWizard Really? So you think that a person no longer deserves the ability to vote to close, or view deleted posts, just because they disagreed with the community?! ( :) of course)
 
yesterday, by Sonic Wizard
@JourneymanGeek Do you think that with my new username, people are likely to confuse me as @ShadowWizard ?
So, Yes ^
 
11:13 PM
@ShadowWizard I was answering that
 
How about back when we were called "Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog" and "Shadow the Hedgehog Wizard"? Chat would shorten those to "Sonic the" and "Shadow the".
 
3 mins ago, by M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ
Your viewpoint would be logical if it will be the last thing you post
3 mins ago, by M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ
Heck, even the last vote you get
 
Anonymous
@ShadowWizard Yes
 
Did you scratch? @M.A.R.
 
@ShadowWizard I scratched my head
 
11:14 PM
nooooo
 
@JeremyBanks yes
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Yes
 
To be honest, the rep I've earned is very valuable to me. (Note: I'm referring to rep I've earned, not to new rep. I don't hunt for rep.)
 
@ShadowWizard Yea
@SonicWizard I hunt for rep
 
user315433
@SonicWizard People deserve all kinds of things. They don't necessarily get them, because the reality refuses to conform to our ideas of what is fair.
 
11:15 PM
@ShadowWizard By the way, did you read the linked conversation? Could you please do that before asking more questions? About half of what I've said is just repeating myself from that conversation.
 
@SonicWizard well, yes. But on the other hand, it's easy enough to gain all those abilities back, and more. It's not like you get suspended.
@SonicWizard no, too long for me, and I have to go 15 minutes ago. :(
I'm on grace period now
 
@ShadowWizard time travel
 
lol
I'll blame you all for being tired tomorrow
 
@ShadowWizard editing @Sha
 
no, don't end my grace period... no... vanishing
 
11:17 PM
@ShadowWizard we're just replacing caffeine
 
Anonymous
20
Q: Possible negative effects of VC funding for Stack Overflow?

Perpetual Motion GoatAssuming Joel and Jeff succeed in obtaining VC funding for Stack Overflow, what negative effects would you anticipate on the way Stack Overflow currently works? And how harmful would they be? And how could the users mitigate these effects? Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see this happen, b...

 
Anonymous
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
It's 3:47 a.m. here
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ but you don't have to wake up at 6:30 AM
 
I was 398 steps away from getting the ability to VTC. But just because I posted an unpopular answer, I was initially set back four steps to 402 steps. I could get those four steps back, but that's not really fair because if I did the exact same thing minus the unpopular post, I would have been 394 steps away, not 398. It's absolutely worthless.
And if I wanted to be 394 steps away, I could have just taken four steps, whereas since I expressed an unpopular viewpoint, I have to take twice as many steps.
 
11:19 PM
@Joel, your my hero. — Earlz Feb 15 '10 at 22:31
GRAMMAR ALERT
 
Anonymous
@SonicWizard Voting/privileges on meta doesn't make precise sense.
 
Anonymous
It's "good enough" to satisfy the loose requirements of the system, and so that's what it is.
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ were two latte
 
Anonymous
Ideally, voting and privileges on meta should operate very differently, I and many agree.
 
11:21 PM
@JohnDvorak I'm just a modest espresso
 
two latte ^^
 
(Gives me an idea. Stack Exchange board game with cards. One card could say, "Post an unpopular feature request on meta. Move back three spaces.")
 
Anonymous
But meta already has more privileged people than it needs; it's not worth spending much time to as a special case. (Or so the thinking probably goes.)
 
@JeremyBanks I think @Sonic just love to have the power, which is totally understandable. :)
 
Anonymous
My pet issue is that I think vote counts should always be split open on meta.
 
11:22 PM
I never get my lattes decorated :-(
 
@JohnDvorak you don't pay enough
 
Anonymous
@ShadowWizard Sure, I definitely sympathize with the emotion.
 
Anonymous
It is not fair. That is unfortunate. But it probably won't change.
 
I need to order a cappuccino if I want art
 
@ShadowWizard No, you've got the power, because you've got the emeralds.

Voting behavior on meta and inclusivity

Jan 18 at 23:44, 56 minutes total – 105 messages, 3 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked Jan 19 at 0:41 by Sonic Wizard

@JeremyBanks Please read
 
11:24 PM
@SonicWizard I'm happy with my power... to be honest I didn't expect to have it back when I started using SE, but having it gives a good feeling. :)
But I won't be overly sad/angry if losing it due to downvotes.
 
Anonymous
@SonicWizard I agree with the gist. Downvotes probably shouldn't cost rep on MSE. On per-site metas, there is no cost to unpopular ideas.
 
Well, you've already got a comfortable amount of disposable rep
@JeremyBanks Did you see the proposal there?
 
Anonymous
Yeah. I think I saw a proposal for something like that before.
 
Anonymous
It's a good idea if we were building a meta site from scratch. While we're at it, we could improve the election system.
 
Restrict the definition of voting to that of main Q&A sites, and introduce a separate set of agreement/disagreement votes that don't affect rep in any way.
(for those unwilling to click)
 
Anonymous
11:27 PM
But it's a ton of complexity to add to the existing system, which already works more-or-less good enough.
 
Anonymous
I, personally, would like to see it. I like the idea.
 
Anonymous
but if I were allocating resources this wouldn't be near the top of the list, in terms of ROI.
 
So many people want more honest explanations for voting on meta...
 
Morning
 
"Things I like, expressed in a way I enjoy"
          ^
          v
"Bad ideas, expressed badly"
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11:29 PM
@Shog9 When did you initially catch on to the conversation I was having just now?
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I spell as I 'speak' and apostrophies in it's have no sound.
 
checks watch
 
and spellcheck dosen't catch it
 
Not quite 9 years
 
Anonymous
@Shog9 Bad feeling: "Thing I like, expressed well" closed as duplicate of "Thing I like, expressed terribly"
 
Anonymous
11:30 PM
modern dupe philosophy is better about that, though.
 
I prefer to close good presentations on terrible ideas as duplicates of terrible presentations of terrible ideas. Takes the shine off 'em faster.
 
Anonymous
>_<
 
We owe a tremendous debt to certain early meta participants who were obnoxiously blatant about the reasons for wanting certain features.
"I want private messaging so that I can harass people who've answered a lot of questions but not mine"
"I want to see who voted so that I can harass people who don't vote the way I want them to"
"I want all quality controls to be dropped so that I don't have to think about what I write"
 
In short, had terrible ideas and were arses about it? ;p
 
@JourneymanGeek Yep
 
11:33 PM
It's the best, really.
 
@JourneymanGeek As I said, if I see "it's", my brain automatically converts it to "it is". So when people misuse it, I get confused.
 
I misuse its, so its fine.
 
You gotta always indicate ownership. When an its doesn't own it's is, its taking poor care of it.
 
user202362
when you say "People's republic of" some country, it tends to indicate a dictatorship
 
11:51 PM
@SonicWizard It's got to be hard when people use the present perfect.
 
@JourneymanGeek How about "arn't"
 
I think I spell that with an e for some reason
 
@JourneymanGeek I blame dictionaries.
 
@JonEricson I'll stick to blaming dyslexia and carelessness, since spellcheck would catch that
@SonicWizard aren't doesn't sound like anything else
OH
its spelled with an e.
 
Edge caught that and corrected it, by the way
 
11:56 PM
heh, I run vivaldi
(so something quite similar, to but not entirely unlike chrome)
 
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