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12:24 AM
@Moshe I hear there will be lots of user levels :)
 
1:22 AM
@GeorgeMarian If you were to program on a computer of your choice, would it be on a desktop or a laptop?
Feel free to chime in here too @mootinator :P
 
@TimStone - I'm for either, given enough RAM and large enough screen size.
 
1:55 AM
@TimStone I don't mind my laptop. It's good to connect to an external monitor sometimes, but usually I don't bother.
 
Hmm
 
2:16 AM
hello, world
=)
 
'Ello
 
so I picked up Spring dm-Server for the first time in 3 years today
to find it rebranded as Eclipse Virgo
surprise!
 
Heh :P
 
the short of it is I'm feeling much pain this evening
having run into a wall
the Virgo wall
but er, how are you?
 
2:33 AM
Ouch, that sounds rather unpleasant. I'm doing alright at the moment.
 
yeah, everything is different
than when I used it last time
 
3:23 AM
hello
 
Hullo!
 
3:39 AM
yo
 
4:01 AM
Hmm, looks like those pesky Hashtables might be misbehaving again. @RebeccaChernoff must not have yelled loud enough.
 
4:14 AM
Urgh, why is logging into SE chat such a convoluted mess?
 
Is it?
 
I keep encountering "Your login data is too old" errors
 
Hmm
 
Logging out then back into a single SE site doesn't seem to help
The 'destroy global credential' page also doesn't do the trick
The login page now request that I log into a SE site, so I logged out of Web Apps and back in again
I'm trying to do this without having to go look for the button
 
Did you log out from everywhere site-side?
I haven't noticed any auth hiccups lately, but I guess I wouldn't have noticed unless it kicked me out.
 
4:18 AM
@TimStone Can't seem to find that button, wouldn't that be the 'destroy global credential' thingy?
 
Hmm
Yeah, I thought it came up when you went to logout, but I don't see the button.
 
The problem I see is that even after following the instructions on that page, there still exists no way I could log in. The ghetto button thingy works, but I don't want to go looking for it every time this happens (which it does, fairly frequently)
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Q: Why can't I login to chat.stackexchange.com?

JezI've logged into chat.stackexchange.com several before and been able to chat, so I'm sure my account is signed up there, however I can't login there now. Whenever I go to: http://chat.stackexchange.com/login/global?returnurl=http%3a%2f%2fchat.stackexchange.com%2f ... I always get the error 'Yo...

Same question as this one, hmmm...
 
Heh, logging out in Opera logged me out from chat in Chrome.
But yeah, I guess you'll have to harass Marc when he gets here. Hopefully he can shed some light on it, I imagine it must be fairly annoying.
 
5:05 AM
@YiJiang we have a lot of networking problems at the moment so there might be weirdness
sysadmins are being beaten as I type
4
 
i promise i am being thouroughly beaten
4
it hurts
 
We all know you deserve it
 
@TimStone that is a bug in .NET and we will have to ask them to make a hotfix for it
 
Ah ha, interesting
 
so thoroughly, you got thoroughly misspelled :P
 
5:07 AM
it is hard to spell when you are being flagellated
 
at least he isn't driving the reigns >_<
 
remote flagellation?
 
@RebeccaChernoff it's funny because I saw that right before I saw the comment, and I was going to change it
martha is amusing
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But wait, there’s more?

A couple months ago, the Super User community took it upon themselves to create a blog run by the community. This effort has been so successful that a couple other communities floated the idea amongst themselves. Internally, we recognized this as an opportunity many of our communities might be interested in and brought the operation in-house.

We are happy to announce that with Blog Overflow, Stack Exchange communities are able to run a community …

 
@Sathya you look at packet dumps for >12hours and let me know how well you spell after
 
> Martha: “Have someone driving the reigns” – AAAAAAHHHHH!!! My eyes!!!! My brain!!! My sensibilities!!!
@Zypher I am guessing you will have to upgrade Cisco IOS.. there's no way we should be seeing network problems with our modest level of traffic IMHO
just a guess, I don't have all the facts, yo
 
5:10 AM
that does remind me goes to dig through the cisco bug db
 
@Zypher Touché
 
Definitely not my fault this time.
 
Only the wheel determines that. (:
 
hmm one sec
lucky
 
@RebeccaChernoff Sounds like the wheel has already identified @Zypher anyway :P
 
5:19 AM
nah, nothing but innocence in here!
 
no no ... the beatings don't imply blame
 
Ah, beatings of encouragement, then.
 
exactally
 
5:51 AM
Morning :)(
 
gah don't say that!
 
nods
 
6:06 AM
WOOHOOO retransmission rate down to 17%
(and me being happy about that shoudl tell you how bad it was)
 
The fact that you're still able to type after all those beatings is a plus too.
 
beatings i'm used to
 
Well, sounds like a "Good job" is in order :D claps
 
6:34 AM
Hi Octavian
 
meh, hello
 
say what you doing? How is the morning?
 
it is meh
 
6:49 AM
Ok :)
 
 
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7:56 AM
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Q: rotate the map??

ibrahimIt finds the GPS location. I want to rotate map to the right or left. My study, I have a flashing light.You must act according to directions on the road went. I have written.LocationListner(GPS) and Google maps code. GPS and Map work together. I'm on the road and tries to use GPS turning left or ...

I even English understand cannot multiple question marks GPS something code random!
 
"Map is rotate? Please Help?"
my eyes are leaking.
 
@tombull89 Have you read the version before I, eh, cleaned it up?
> It finds the GPS location.i want rotate map the way to the right or left.my study, I have a flashing light.You must act according to directions on the road went. I have written.LocationListner(GPS) and Google maps code..GPS and Map work together.I'm on the road and tries to gps...turning left or right.Map is rotate??How is this??????????? pleas help
 
You must act according to directions on the road went
what is this?
 
attempted to clean it up. It still makes very little sense to me,
 
what he wants exactly?
I am not getting addcomment option :(
 
8:01 AM
I'm not sure if the OP even knows what he wants.
 
@tombull89 It makes perfect sense to me. It says "Do not let me program this map functionality, for the sake of all who might then use it".
 
He wants a english lesson.
@TimStone chuckle
 
@OctavianDamiean who is OP?
 
lol
@Manjot Original Poster
 
But in reality I think that they have some flashing dot that indicates a direction to turn and they want the map to turn with the person (so that "up" is always the direction the person is moving).
 
8:03 AM
What I think he wants to rotate the screen
 
How on earth can a dot show any direction? It is a dot after all.
 
and he is giving an example of road to explain the rotation
 
@OctavianDamiean Well, to one side of the screen or the other.
 
Unfortunately someone will likely be run over by a car as a result of this experiment.
 
8:04 AM
45
Q: Stack Overflow Glossary - Dictionary of Commonly-Used Terms

Adam DavisWhat are the common phrases, words, abbreviations that are used on Stack Overflow, Server Fault, Super User, and Meta Stack Overflow? This is meant to be a very quick overview, not an in-depth tutorial. When considering whether a term ought to be included, please use this test: New user com...

 
there are dot in the question
 
there you can read more SO specific terms ;)
 
@TimStone I think he is putting a condition of app
 
And can anyone who knows ASP.NET have a look at this question to edit it into something sensible? stackoverflow.com/posts/6434900/revisions
 
looks all puzzled
If one of you is interested in Android development then make sure not to miss the Android book club today, the more people we have the more information we can share. Android Book Club
 
8:10 AM
lol I don't have write access :( @OctavianDamiean
 
If you have something constructive to contribute you can get it back for the session.
 
my pleasure.btw when session begin
 
The information should be on that page I've linked you to.
Not sure what time it will be in your time-zone to be honest.
 
8:25 AM
@OctavianDamiean it's been a week since the last club!? dang.
 
Yea that way exactly my thought.
 
@Manjot
> Starts in 10 hours (in your timezone, that's 0:30 on Saturday)
 
Oh, today is Friday isn't it? Thank god.
 
0:30 will be quite late.I don't think I'll be there :(
I'll be sleeping at that time.Can't time be shifted?
 
8:32 AM
@TimStone Yeah...whay?
 
chuckle
 
@Manjot Nope sorry, That event has been set for quite some time now.
 
@tombull89 Don't have to wake up for or attend meetings on the weekend :P
 
\o/
 
Formula 1 this weekend, hellyeah!
 
8:34 AM
\o/
 
:(
 
@OctavianDamiean you're a F1 fan? nice.
 
What will be in session?
 
@Sathya huge fan yes.
 
Ditto
 
"Sorry for my english" - you better be.
 
yeesh
 
is it even worth editing it?
 
I would - so that it doesn't cause more damage to my eyes.
 
@tombull89 No, a speedy death deletion seems more proper for questions like this
 
8:56 AM
@tombull89 English isn't his only problem.
 
and then, we have the forever bold posts people.
 
1.Which language is best to develop....(PHP, Joomla, ASP, Flash) that's his second problem, Joomla is a CMS written in php.
Nuke eeeet.
 
Eeeek
 
 
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9:59 AM
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Q: How we insert the data in the database using sqlite database in android?

chandan paliwalPlease help me?i'm new with android database . proper answer would be appreciated.thanx

sighs
close please
 
10:10 AM
Oh no I think I broke Meta.
Flagged a message and not it is offline. :(
 
The HR jobs one?
I'm tempted to flag as spam as they've got their website address in their profile...
 
oh
flagged it as offtopic
 
10:24 AM
I never knew Quora also does the ExpertSexchange hide crap. http://i.imgur.com/9cTnO.png
 
10:53 AM
love your CV site @Pekka
 
@Sathya thanks!!!
 
if you don't mind a suggestion,
the years are hard to read against the background
 
@Sathya fair point. The "greyed out" colour may be generally a bit too much on the bright side, I'll fix that. Thanks.
 
best wishes for your hunt!
 
@Sathya thank you! The immigration stuff is an extra challenge, but I'm optimistic it will work out sooner or later. Still, thumb-holding is always welcome! :)
 
 
1 hour later…
12:07 PM
wow.
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A: Earnings of Stack Overflow per Month?

Joel SpolskyAs a private company, we do not share financial information. However, we have publicly announced that we raised $18 million from investors. The intention is to use that money to make Stack Exchange great.

The intention is to use that money to make SE great...but we got distracted and spent it on Unicorns, rainbows, JD, and Hookers.
 
 
1 hour later…
1:33 PM
Good Morning.
 
2:00 PM
good
 
.
 
2:19 PM
Another beautiful day outside, and here we are in a dark tavern.
 
If it would be that beautiful outside I'd be on my skateboard.
 
@OctavianDamiean That sounds like an impractical mode of transportation, inside a tavern.
 
hmm, I have to agree :D
Might cause some trouble.
 
You could do some cool rail slides off of the bar, though, before you get kicked out... put that shit on YouTube.
 
2:46 PM
Or you can get a meta-skateboard ?
 
lol
 
 
2 hours later…
4:40 PM
I can see I need to remind people that I haven't gone for lunch just yet :p
 
Wow it's quiet in here today... I just got back from lunch.
What's up, @jcolebrand
 
@Fosco nada. I said yesterday I was leaving for lunch and the room was quiet for like three hours :p
 
@jcolebrand And neither have I gone to bed (oh gosh why haven't I?)
 
@YiJiang an excellent question
:659845 I ... didn't catch that. Hopefully it wasn't for me
 
Aristotle vs. Mashey Spike-plate!
 
5:30 PM
@jcolebrand Lunch sounds good about now, too bad I have to struggle through another meeting first.
 
@jcolebrand It was... oh well.
 
@Fosco don't you have my gmail? :p
@TimStone food? FOOD? FOOD?!? surely you jest
 
It wasn't important, I assure you :)
 
oh, you took the time to post it once to a non-real-time chat mechanism :p
 
Oh, the meeting only lasted seven minutes. :D
 
5:41 PM
Yatta!
 
> (concentrates hard, attempting to summon Eric by sheer willpower alone) – Marc Gravell 2m ago
 
6:16 PM
So, what does this userscript I just downloaded do for me?
 
Depends on which userscript it was ;)
 
^ Yeah that..
 
ChatModification, ChatFavicon ...
 
well, the favicon one should speak for itself
the modification one adds a bunch of stuff, there should be a faq for it on the wiki where you should have downloaded this from
 
That would change the little icon the browser shows for the page/tab.
 
6:18 PM
Yeah, I think I need to update the README..
 
github.com/rchern/StackExchangeScripts <-- see here for a short list of supported commands
@TimStone I was about to say
alternately, do you also see the numbers and dates of each post on the right hand column?
 
The README there is a bit more up to date than the fancy one though.
My most heavily used/favourite feature is the keyboard navigation you get from Ctrl + Up in the text input, but I may be biased. :P
 
That with the use of "r" or "h" or the left arrow.
However, there's also the usecase of using the right arrow instead of the r
 
Oh wow, the description for SEModifications is really out of date.
 
damn the chat modifications are awesome!
 
6:27 PM
\o/
 
Yes they are
and for those who sometimes see us typing things like :659939 and wondered what that meant, the chatmods are for that ;)
 
just loaded them up at work myself.. pretty slick :)
 
don't you just hate when you don't try something because you're just certain it won't work, and then when you do try it it does work, and you wasted 30 minutes trying to find a workaround?
@Fosco and it works on all the chatservers just for having it installed, if like us you have multiple open
 
This is really the only room I join.. I've tried others but it's not the same.. ;p
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6:34 PM
@Fosco We should all invade another chat room on the main site, just for kicks. It'll be a coordinated effort to evangelize the Tavern.
 
I'm up for that
 
@Moshe ok, you go and hang out there and I'll wait here
 
Won't that bring more people here?
 
@jcolebrand Pfft :P
 
@TimStone not if he does what I said
 
6:36 PM
heh
 
@jcolebrand LOL
 
May I propose a room?
You still think it is a good idea?
 
ugh.. no.
 
I want to encourage some of our US-wee-early-AM-hours guests to evangelize for us as traveling apostles ;)
@OctavianDamiean yes
You go wait there :D
 
Ok, here's the next question, what do we discuss there?
 
6:37 PM
yea, you know what I just remembered that I have an appointment :D
 
I'm an android fan, and I use custom roms... but I actually dislike talking to other android users.
 
@jcolebrand Hey, if you're not even coming with, why do you give permission to suggest? :P
 
@Moshe because I'm just that good
And I'm probably the most frequent in here :p
@Fosco what about other android devs?
@OctavianDamiean lmao
 
@jcolebrand devs would be fine... I don't even count as a dev.
 
@Fosco intresting
I should really thaw out some meat when I go home at lunch for later
 
6:38 PM
@jcolebrand Well if you're that good you should be able to make other rooms awesome without trying.
 
somebody remind me when I'm not at my computer that I should do that
@Moshe I generally do.
Do you not go in the awesome rooms that I go into?
... what a shame ... sorry ...
 
No, I'm obviously not awesome enough.
Anyone know of any summer camps in their area?
I'm looking to sell an iPad app to them that handles their canteen sales.
:-D
 
@Fosco Oh? Devs should be fine? Please join that room in about 12 hours :D
 
Well theoretically it could work as a standalone POS, but it doesn't handle bar codes yet and it does no inventory - yet.
 
@Moshe Neat idea.. iPad p.o.s...
 
6:41 PM
@Fosco Thank you.
:-D
 
It'd be cool to get hooked up with Sheetz corporate and replace their p.o.s. order terminals with ipads.
 
@Fosco Who?
 
holy crap, chrome has even more features than I thought
 
Anyone know about sync conflict-resolving algorithms? Until I have that, can't work with multiple devices on one system.
 
@Moshe It's a convenient/gas store that has touch screen custom order terminals. "MTO" made to order
 
6:42 PM
go into debug and choose something with a background color, then look at the computed style, then click the swatch
@Moshe how do you mean?
 
@Fosco Ah, ok. Where are they based?
 
@Moshe not sure... plenty of them in PA though.
Sheetz, Inc. is a chain of gas stations/convenience stores owned by the Sheetz family. Stores are located in Maryland, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and West Virginia. Sheetz has long employed the "Z" that the name ends with in various marketing efforts. These include Sheetz' re-loadable gift card- The "Z" card, the Sheetz breakfast sandwich – known and marketed as "Shmuffinz," and their "Nachoz." History Sheetz, Inc was founded by Bob Sheetz in 1952 when he purchased one of his father's five dairy stores located in Altoona, Pennsylvania. In 1961, Bob hired h...
 
@jcolebrand Say I have two "registers" (iPads) and one adds an account, for example, I need to sync to the other device to maintain consistency across the system. Or, imagine someone buys something. I want their account updated across all systems.
 
Keep the data in the cloud, not on the devices.
 
@jcolebrand It would be nice if it popped up a colour picker, but yeah. ;)
 
6:44 PM
@Fosco Hrm, where would that go though? Camps need to be offline, in the mountains, or wherever, there's no internet connection, often.
@Fosco And security becomes an issue. Helllloooo LulzSec (Well, given my long history of top-notch education in iOS and Web security best practice. Heck, I invented SSL. - Wait, maybe that's not a good thing.) :P
 
@TimStone it changes the format of the number/name
 
Yeah
 
@Moshe Hmm... I don't know how you would expect to do it at all with out some form of network.. the database could be local but still on wifi without internet..
 
@Fosco True, valid point. Right now, I'm designing for summer camps. They can usually get by with one device/register.
 
@Moshe Lulzsec is no argument.
 
6:47 PM
@jcolebrand btw, I used your advice ("What are you playing there?") earlier this week, got a few sales (for an app).
 
@Moshe you have THREE options:
GUID for every entry
 
<3 Guid
 
WebServices to put it all in the cloud and every action is AJAX/REST at the time of the transaction
You don't do that.
@Moshe see, good job. Self promotion is not a bad thing
I did that last night and went to the local Chamber of Commerce mixer and met like four new businesses in the area also doing tech development that I didn't know about.
 
Wow, nice.
@jcolebrand What was #3?
 
twit.tv <-- PSA. Since everyone seems to miss out on all the good stuff, this is THE tech webcast channel.
@Moshe "You don't do that"
 
6:50 PM
@jcolebrand Oh, well... meh.
 
Yeah
 
Which one would you suggest, @jcolebrand?
 
will the devices ever be not connected to the internet and still be used for that purpose?
 
@jcolebrand Quite Possibly, like the camp scenario.
(Sounds like GUID?)
 
@Moshe then the GUID one
 
6:51 PM
Ok, how does that work?
 
and you're going to have to figure out how/when to sync up (most big shops do them at night)
salesorder: guid, date, amount, method of payment, customerguid
salesorderentry: guid, parentguid, lineno, item, price, quantity
customer: guid, name, last date of update, address, telephone, favorite pet
 
Ok...
Are there any reference on how to use GUIDs to ensure that there is no conflicting data?
 
do you get the idea there?
@Moshe Guid myGuid = new Guid();
the odds of conflict are minimal
 
@jcolebrand I see how the data is structured, similar to mine.
 
yeah
the idea is every record gets a guid in addition to everything else
the tricky part is if two sites enter the same information for the same entity before synchronization, that drives a lot of people mad for the duplication.
 
6:56 PM
> While each generated GUID is not guaranteed to be unique, the total number of unique keys (2^128 or 3.4×10^38) is so large that the probability of the same number being generated twice is very small. For example, consider the observable universe, which contains about 5×10^22 stars; every star could then have 6.8×10^15 universally unique GUIDs.
 
But say my accounts are not allowed to have a negative balance? Simply syncing the devices wouldn't work, because adding up the transactions might cause a negative balance.
 
negative balance?... are we still talking about the point-of-sale system?
 
@Fosco Yes, but it is supposed to track accounts as well. (In this particular case.)
 
@Moshe Then it would require a real-time back-end, not offline w/ sync, otherwise that is a real possibility.
 
@Fosco, @jcolebrand Thanks. I think for camps I'm going to stick to one device then, for now.
If multiple devices becomes an issue, I can add the server later. (Adding a GUID to my data model isn't hard - wait, shouldn't I already be using those?)
 
7:00 PM
@Moshe not necessarily
 
I would normally just use the auto-incrementing primary key.
 
but that's assuming you don't need to sync up with other records later
 
right.
 
@Moshe then you must choose another model, of course.
 
@Fosco Core Data uses objects, not rows, so there's no actual primary keys, but I'm feigning it with a method that just grabs the last one and increments.
 
7:01 PM
@Moshe Then GUID it up.
 
FWIW: all the big retail outlets use real-time-at-end-of-order transactional database systems.
 
@jcolebrand Why? Do they offer credit on accounts? Some other reason?
 
My most recent app uses Active Directory, so I get to key off of the GUIDs provided by directory services.
 
@Moshe consider doing a return on something you just bought (even at another location, in the case of Walmart)
most major stores can.
 
@Fosco Wait, what are you up to these days? I haven't been following. Sorry.
@jcolebrand Great point.
 
7:03 PM
@Moshe I started about 5 weeks ago at a new job.. .Net Developer
 
With the offline transactional model you would have to either go back to the store where you bought it (in your case register) or wait till tomorrow (or the next sync.
 
@Fosco Nice, grats.
 
It's a bit slow starting out (hence im on MSO chat) but it should be picking up soon. I'm really happy..
 
@jcolebrand Got it, makes sense, thanks.
:-)
 
@Fosco sweet. For some reason I thought you were doing something besides .NET. What region of the US you in?
 
7:04 PM
@Fosco Nice. Good luck.
 
oh that's right, PA
 
@Moshe Thanks )
 
I have to start thinking about a job. Starting school after the summer, would be nice to do something when I'm not at school/homework. I just don't think that there are too many part time internships available.
Heh, younger sibling just asked "Mo, How come your not playing Portal?"
Well, that means I haven't been getting enough done lately, time to work.
 
@jcolebrand I just +1'd the recent -1 answer you had..
@Moshe I was beginning to think you were all work and no play..
 
@Fosco which?
 
7:08 PM
I closed the window (SO) you'll just see it in your activity.
 
@Fosco - Whoa, just got an email. Thanks! :-)
 
@Moshe Welcome
 
@Fosco merci beaucoup
 
7:47 PM
I just checked my Data Model. Should I include a quantity key for each purchased item, or a new object for each purchased item?
 
Quantity.
 
Ah, @jcolebrand, I see you used a quantity property.
@Fosco Thanks, added to my model.
 
8:16 PM
I just saw a user with 0/19 accepted answers for a good old 0% accept rate. Is this a problem on SO?
 
@demongolem "Is that one user a problem," or "is low accept rate a problem in general"?
 
Well if the answers are really answered but the user just didn't accept any of them then yes
 
Sorry, I meant to ask are there many users with 0% accept rates?
 
@demongolem I would think you could write a Data Explorer query to find that out: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/new#
 
wow, did not know about that feature, thanks!
 
8:22 PM
I'm headed out, but I'll try to remember to look into it later.
 
8:37 PM
the Data Explorer query froze my browser!
or I froze my browser by writing a query which returned too many results!
 
9:03 PM
You should get the data dump and start playing with it on your machine. :)
 
@Moshe huh?
@demongolem yes, some users don't understand how the system works.
 
 
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10:14 PM
@jcolebrand I was referring to this:
3 hours ago, by jcolebrand
salesorder: guid, date, amount, method of payment, customerguid
salesorderentry: guid, parentguid, lineno, item, price, quantity
customer: guid, name, last date of update, address, telephone, favorite pet
You used a quantity property there.
Ok, I'm out for the weekend, Tchüss!
 
@Moshe oh that was just a thing. I didn't know what to put, I wanted to demonstrate an example. Every sales system is different.
 
 
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