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8:00 AM
besides, with the day I've had I'd flag anything NSFW
 
@AndrewT. yeah he did, even shared some raw data
 
@TravisJ so how come the room still alive? I've seen rooms being taken down for less than NSFW...
 
Oh, I upgraded to the non-autoscroll version of Chrome \o/
 
(e.g. non-English messages)
@rene ?
 
8:01 AM
@ShadowWizard assuming it even is
 
@rene ergh, just checked help page, and... update pending ._.
 
> Version 64.0.3261.0 (Official Build) canary (64-bit)
 
@ShadowWizard It has a lot of history, and there is still a lot of on topic stuff in there. There is just a kind of dark undertone to the room now. Many of the users there spawned a slack where they took the most offensive stuff to.
 
Stable build was causing trouble for me so I switched to Canary
So far really good.
 
Words rarely heard ;)
 
8:02 AM
@rene "non-autoscroll"?
 
@ShadowWizard chat doesn't scroll for me anymore. I have to click the scrollbar to see the latest messages. Was a chrome breaking feature IIRC.
 
but... non-autoscroll again? should have been fixed before..
 
@TravisJ oh. Sounds... ominous.
 
Yeah, don't really feel like rehashing any more of it :P
 
apparently not an issue with vivaldi ;) #hipsterbrowser
 
8:03 AM
@AndrewT. yup. Reported and fixed by @Oded, it was some ancient plugin that broke when they upgraded jQuery afaik
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Q: AutoScroll on chat exchange doesn't work in chrome 61

ArticunoI updated the chrome to version 61, and the auto-scroll stopped working, it is necessary to scroll down the page manually. The problem does not occur in the previous version or in firefox. Also, the reply icon no longer working when the message replied to is not in the current chat page. (Middle...

@rene ^
So you have Chrome 61?
 
I have chrome 61
No problems with scrolling
 
I'm on 62 (stable, no bug) and there's update pending though...
 
Version 61.0.3163.100 (Official Build) (64-bit)
I just noticed an update pending as well
dun dun dunnn
"Nearly up to date! Relaunch Google Chrome to finish updating."
 
It was one of those folding bikes
 
8:06 AM
@JourneymanGeek now del votes
 
@ShadowWizard hit it half a second before the chat notification warble ;)
 
@Shog9 yeah, well, guess the can better stay closed then.
 
This is what I am talking about with regards to the fun aspect.
 
8:08 AM
@TravisJ hm, maybe?
that's not fun though, thats cluelessness
Its like he thinks its quora or something ;p
 
lol
I was wrong anyway
It is a scooter. He tricked me.
Tricky users get their questions deleted.
 
Judge can trick anyone. :D
 
Now I'm waiting for my folding car
 
@AndrewT. any car can fold. unfolding it is the tricky part
2
 
Pearl of Wisdom ^
 
8:11 AM
It was that^ I looked, google told me.
Why can't people just google? It confounds me
 
whoa found MSE spammer
 
cause googling is hard?
@ShadowWizard link? ;p
 
I googled the phrase
verizon commercial bicycle good meeting
and it was right there
 
Surprisingly, googling is hard.
 
8:13 AM
@ShadowWizard boo. Already flagged.
 
Yup but two del votes too which is bad, better just cast spam flag
 
Yeah, you missed the superdownvote @ShadowWizard
 
Anyway that's cross site spammer but I'll leave JNat alone... guess now he's really busy with more important things.
 
@ShadowWizard I think I was one ;p
 
> If the user has never been banned from reviewing before, the ban will be for 2 days
@bluefeet is this correct? ^
Anonymous editor didn't link to any source
 
8:21 AM
our beloved anonymous editor...
 
Yeah so far I've seen only one single edit rejected for him/her
(I was one of those who rejected)
 
do you ever get writer's block while coding?
 
probably not while coding (writing a code), but while solving a trivial issue
(that's not a writer's block?)
I usually put many TODO comments as a placeholder in a function though
 
Yeah, I guess not while implementing. But perhaps like while deciding what the implementation is going to be.
 
That? Sadly, yes. I've wasted more time on decicing the implementation (on personal projects though) than implementing it...
 
8:32 AM
Right, at work things tend to be so need based that it is more straightforward
But like, here, I am trying to move forward on this project, and it is kinda a massive undertaking, and sometimes I get stuck figuring out which angle to take when really any angle would do since there is so much to be done.
I named all my servers after star wars planets :P
 
@SmokeDetector gone
 
@ShadowWizard I have now 62...
 
Is the scrolling fixed?
 
9:00 AM
@TravisJ looks like it, yes.
 
9:23 AM
@rene huh, really weird.
Downgrade to 61 and check again. :D
 
@ShadowWizard was the first delvote ;p
 
Nice!
You can be @Bart's replacement, looks like he's more and more busy these days.... :/
 
Oh @Bart is your home computer fixed?
@Andrew you don't feel like dead fish anymore, right? Forgot to ask when it happened when you told yesterday.
 
@ShadowWizard he is, what he eats?
 
9:27 AM
@ShadowWizard gone now
 
@JourneymanGeek huh you missed yesterday's discussion about expired food?
 
@ShadowWizard naw
 
yesterday, by Andrew T.
On the other hand, I ate this.... fish snack, which probably has expired for whoever knows
 
I know about the Dubious Cod
 
@ShadowWizard expired food is food that had been dead but now crawls towards you anyway ...
 
9:28 AM
yup
 
need to be rediculously fast to get those spamflags :)
 
Yeah there are bots involved.
Something with someone with a userscript flagging as spam, then a bot cast another flag.
 
@ShadowWizard nah.. I'm more like.. having a bit cold right now (the weather's really bad recently), but not dead fish. It's 2 years ago.
Probably better to stay away from that dubious cod though
 
@AndrewT. oh lol... thought it's recent. Well, I have constant "light cold", e.g. runny nose. It usually protects me from getting a bad cold. ;)
@rene zombie food?
 
user202362
9:36 AM
ITT we discuss whether mucus prevents virus from entering your nostrils >_<
 
user202362
anyone used a drain snake before?
 
user202362
I have used a electric eel before, but this time want to cheapskate so bought a drain auger instead ...
 
enable a windows feature they said...
it's just a quick reboot they said...
45 minutes later...
 
lol
45 minutes is the better case, worst case is infinite minutes later aka computer stuck.
 
user202362
Your complain has been placed in a queue, a tavern staff will attend to you as soon as all other complains have been appeased. Your estimated waiting time is 4623 years, 8 months and 3 days, 4 hours 58 minutes and 12 seconds
 
9:47 AM
@Telkitty no, mucus has tiny opening where the even tinier viruses can crawl through.
 
Sorry @Telkitty, the only TimeSpan I have installed is weeks. Cannot compute these weird "years", "months" or other vague measurements of time.
 
Eons?
 
@Telkitty Unless it is attached to a motor, it probably wont do anything.
 
In 6-8 eons, all the bugs in Stack Exchange will be fixed.
 
Okay, and eons. That was in the expanded Webster lexicon.
 
9:50 AM
lol
 
user202362
so there is a blocked drain and 3 pipes connection to it, electric snake kept on getting into the wrong pipe ...
 
@Telkitty umm... time to call a plumber?
 
Sounds like a personal problem.
 
user202362
didn't I mention cheapskate?
 
9:51 AM
She's personally attached to her pipes? @Trav
 
Are you on septic?
@ShadowWizard I won't explain my poor taste joke to you! :P
 
:(
):
that's double sad ^ ^^
Sad from both sides
 
user202362
why did I seek help here ...
 
lol, but are you on a septic system?
You can use your garden hose on the drain but only if it goes out to the city main
As a slight side note, this could also burst the elbow if the clog has been there for a long time.
 
@Telkitty because you think of us as sewage?
 
9:55 AM
@ShadowWizard I rolled it back.
 
Turns out windows 10 comes with... drumroll... IIS 10 which defaults to asp.net 4.7
Or 3.5. Or nothing! Windows has spoken.
 
Small side rant: Why does the PROFESSIONAL EDITION Windows 10 come with a xbox online store start menu panel and un-removable xbox online program menu shortcut?
Are you trying to make me hate you, microsoft?
 
@Magisch "Unpin from start"?
 
@TravisJ It's still in the program menu
 
Yeah...
 
9:59 AM
What is the xbox live store even doing on my windows 10 pro installation
this is a company pc stop pre-installing your pc games drm on my operating system ffs
especially if the operating system is for corporate users specifically
 
user202362
 
You must be a playstation kind of gamer :P
@Telkitty Is that what got stuck in your plumbing?
 
@TravisJ I'm most importantly at work when at work
And I don't want to have to do registry hacks to remove non-work related things from work pcs
 
user202362
@TravisJ this is what I have half domesticated in the backyard - a feral rabbit ... using a couple of apples ...
 
I am not sure what to say. I have never trained a half feral rabbit, nor a full feral rabbit, well, not even a normal rabbit. I would assume that it may need some shots from the vet.
 
user202362
10:07 AM
@Bart I would never call your sewage ... you know, birds of a feather flock together ...
 
@Telkitty Or you'd call yourself sewage...
 
@Shog9 I meant you shouldn't force tags into titles just so they're there. If the whole "[question title] in [tag]" thing is canonically encouraged, you might want to give this an edit, although if titles are supposed to be stand-alone, I find myself asking why we even have tags (outside of maybe language tags, maybe) - it doesn't seem like most users would use them at all.
I noticed that the titles you referenced were not in the form "What is a NullPointerException in Java, and how do I fix it?"
 
@bluefeet cheers, guess we can't blindly trust the Anonymous Editor.
@Magisch it's probably built in the kernel of Windows by now, same as DOS. Deep in the source code, to never be removed.
(and IE)
They never really remove things, that's why each version of Windows is few GB more.
 
Just like the hosts of westworld
 
I'm 1000% sure Windows 10 source code still contains the full code of the first DOS Microsoft ever written.
 
10:16 AM
And also why IE became so prone to security exploits.
 
@ShadowWizard can't blindly trust anyone
 
@bluefeet You can visually trust me.
 
@bluefeet yeah, question is how to notify those who approved?
They're not pingable here.
 
@ShadowWizard just suspend them. Wait .. let me first check if I approved that ...
 
@rene especially you ;p
(I think I rejected one of his on my question)
 
10:26 AM
I know I'm bound to be hit one day by my own stupid suggestions ...
 
I love internet.
 
I'm fine with spelling/grammar corrections
I just didn't like what felt like a good chunk of my post being rewritten
 
@TravisJ I don't know. I'm not that passionate about it ...
 
@ShadowWizard dos is unlikely to be in the kernel
and certainly not dos 1.0 in an unchanged form
dos compatiblility code has been in NTVDM for ages IIRC
oh nvm
 
@rene It is nice to find oddball solutions so easily.
Then again, as I said that the entire computer just turned this odd shade of yellow. Sweet.
 
10:32 AM
0_0
 
@JourneymanGeek well, usually those edits are good, even if rewriting parts.
 
night mode?
 
Unsure. Pretty annoyed.
 
@ShadowWizard there's a point at which you need to $gender_up and post yerself.
@TravisJ what OS?
 
@JourneymanGeek it is, of course not accessible in any way, just sitting there, taking up disk space.
 
10:33 AM
also what sorta video interface?
 
@JourneymanGeek w10 pro
 
ya, there's a feature called night light that would do that
but there's no reason it should be on
or video cable being screwy
 
@TravisJ maybe it's sick
 
its a surface pro 4
 
or your monitor has a CCFL tube that's sick, but...
ya, go to display properties and see if its night light
 
10:34 AM
@ShadowWizard maybe
 
@rene nope, those were Robert and @Glor(something) :)
(findel?)
 
@ShadowWizard yeah, I already pinged Glor
 
Where?
 
In Charcoal-hQ
 
10:35 AM
oh
Useful room :D
 
@JourneymanGeek brilliant idea, strange though as night light was off, toggling it removed the yellow tint
 
sure
 
Night light?!? lol
 
I swear, this build has been one oddball thing after another
 
10:37 AM
@TravisJ And this is why they ought to pay me the medium bucks ;p
 
lol
I added a new DWORD in my registry, I wonder if that somehow triggered the nightlight
#baffled
 
@JourneymanGeek Heh
 
It was from this
 
dosen't smell particularly related
 
inorite
o well, hopefully it is done being odd
I will totally buy you a medium sized portion of liquid if you can travel half way around the world to california
 
10:43 AM
;p
 
I'm like, afraid to reboot
phew, went for it. success
 
andd then the surface undergoes unplanned rapid high velocity disassembly
 
Rapid high velocity disassembly triggers:
[✓] Rapid Light Temperature Change
[ ] Cat Sounds
[ ] Garage Door Opener
[ ] Microwave
Yes, it would seem the checkbox for rapid high velocity disassembly was actually checked. You can see it right there.
time for me to undergo planned rapid low velocity sleep
 
11:29 AM
sd f
 
 
1 hour later…
12:36 PM
trinity
 
:D
 
1:18 PM
Why is it that in dev you spend the longest amount of time on the most stupid trivial shit?
 
@Bart 42
 
Probably
Like, everything works just fine. I only need to have Log4Net pick up a file path from a property in its config. That works everywhere else, but not in this one app. Grrrr. Should take me 2 minutes. I'm doing this for an hour now.
 
user202362
Tavern: served 539574 people and their 2974578243 complains
 
It's "complaints", so add one for that :p
At least I keep it topical and not sewage related
 
@Bart Why is it that the project I have right now takes more time to document then to actually implement
 
1:33 PM
Because your code isn't self-documenting? ;)
 
@Bart No because this is the project doc for my final exam project at the chamber of commerce
And they require a 20 page single spaced size 11 times new roman documentation
If it was just the project itself I'd have been done weeks ago
 
Why do they require 20 pages? ... why not just enough to have good documentation?
 
Because this isn't documentation documentation
This is "show us that you can do this one project specific how we like it" type of exam. With diagrams and EPK charts and a detailed amortisation analysis and and and
And scientific citations for best practices and stuff
 
God I'm glad Uni is long behind me
 
@Bart This is the final exam for an apprenticeship
 
1:39 PM
@Bart just add some logging ... oh wait ...
 
@rene I will smite you
 
@Bart have you verified the config is actually used? If you screw that config file completely does it still work? If it does, it really doesn't matter what you enter in the config file ...
Yes, I have been there, done that ...
 
@rene Yeah, picks it up just fine. If I hardcode the path in the config file, output is fine and as expected.
 
Ok, just checking ...
 
It's purely this property mechanism they have which doesn't seem to get applied properly
 
2:27 PM
flag
vandalism
 
cataclysm
@Bart debug is the key for success
When you lose that key, bad things happen. :D
 
2:43 PM
Myeah, get some weird "NotImplementedException" I don't understand. And the environment it runs under swallows all those exceptions, so I never really see them. Yay
 
So it's Log4Net's fault.
See?
 
LOL
 
3:09 PM
:'(
 
@Bart welcome to hell. Settle in with the rene flowers
 
3:33 PM
@Magisch and while you are here, please fetch us some of the GIT Developer Guideline manuals.
 
4:00 PM
@Magisch pretty sure there are no flowers in Hell.
Or, if there are, they look like this:
@rene is white flower. Doesn't fit Hell! :D
 
Lycoris radiata, known as red spider lily, red magic lily, or equinox flower, is a plant in the amaryllis family, Amaryllidaceae, subfamily Amaryllidoideae. Originally from China, Korea and Nepal, it was introduced into Japan and from there to the United States and elsewhere. It is considered naturalized in Seychelles and in the Ryukyu Islands. It flowers in the late summer or autumn, often in response to heavy rainfall. The common name hurricane lily refers to this characteristic, as do other common names, such as resurrection lily; these may be used for the genus as a whole. == Description... ==
> Since these scarlet flowers usually bloom near cemeteries around the autumnal equinox, they are described in Chinese and Japanese translations of the Lotus Sutra as ominous flowers that grow in Diyu (also known as Hell), or Huángquán (Simplified Chinese: 黄泉; Traditional Chinese: 黃泉), and guide the dead into the next reincarnation.
also, remember that that flower name is an anagram of "Serial Murder". No, wait.... wrong Flowey.
 
WUT?
 
Asriel Dremur => Serial Murder
 
Ah, I'm not brilliant with anagrams
 
@Derpy so that makes you a Red PY
 
4:08 PM
Eww... higanbana :/
 
@Derpy indeed
 
 
2 hours later…
6:25 PM
wondering if he wants to commit to paying $27.04 for the next 24 months enough to acquire a Google Pixel 2
 
Hey, I'm wondering the same thing. Though, I think I'll avoid the XL
 
@TimPost OnePlus 5t out in a couple weeks. I'd wait for that.
Or buy a 3t used, if you can find one.
Quite a lot of phone for the price
Pixel is nice, but not great value
 
user160606
 
user160606
that feature request alone would make my experience on beta sites much more tolerable.
 
man, some people really put in the effort. There's a place in SO heaven for TJ Crowder.
 
@Hamlet Can't sites set custom close reasons for their metas? Is there a reason to have it pushed out to every meta?
 
user160606
@Catija it being a problem on every private beta
 
user160606
people getting really excited by the new site and trying to fix problems that don't exist
 
6:58 PM
@TimPost I'm still rocking an iPhone 5c... I waiting for it to be entirely useless and then I'm considering a switch to android.
 
user160606
And this way I don't have to get into time wasting debates about examples, because it's built into the system.
 
... That sounds like a meta post that should be a call to wait for a problem than to fix it before it exists... and then leads to a meta close reason if needed.
 
user160606
@Catija but why put that time into a meta post when there could be a close reason ready to go
 
Because the close reason doesn't explain why it's important.
 
user160606
@Catija it could link to a page in the documentation (that would also come preloaded on all sites)
 
7:25 PM
@Hamlet I don't think that it's something that belongs on all sites. Betas, sure... particularly ones in their infancy... but most full sites don't have to deal with it so proposing it for everyone seems a bit of overkill.
I think it's something that could still be one of the custom close reasons rather than something special applied network wide.
 
 
4 hours later…
11:12 PM
@TimPost pretty happy with my op3.
also, dosen't the pixel have burn in issues?
 
11:26 PM
Everyone seems to be switching to Android. :( Maybe it's just the types of users here, though...
 
Android + money to fix my car vs iPhone + now I'm broke and I have to buy a Mac too?
 
Why do you have to buy a Mac?
 
Because Super User outlawed Hackintosh questions
 
So you're saying you prefer OSX?
 
Naw. I prefer having the option to modify the software on my phone.
 
11:32 PM
So, really it's more of a "I want to buy a Mac, too"? I was thinking you meant something more like "I have to buy an iPhone too, with my Apple Watch"
Which isn't true any more but... was. Because spending obscene amounts of money on a watch and having to have a special phone to use it with is just... normal. :/
If what you were saying about the browser scripting is true, that will be a big bonus for Android.
 
lol
@Shog9 yeah, we totally did ._.
 
@Catija no.
 
@Catija pretty sure there's quite a lot of mac users
 
1006
Q: How can I develop for iPhone using a Windows development machine?

ryanIs there any way to tinker with the iPhone SDK on a Windows machine? Are there plans for an iPhone SDK version for Windows? The only other way I can think of doing this is to run a Mac VM image on a VMWare server running on Windows, although I'm not too sure how legal this is.

TL;Dr: it's sketchy
 
@Shog9 and fairly unreliable I'm told.
 
11:36 PM
@Shog9 Oh, but don't people use things like Corona?
 
and super super sensitive about hardware
 
Or does that still require a mac?
 
(also, I'd so totally build a hackintosh if I had the space/money. I just wouldn't ask about it on SU ;p)
 
@Catija yeah, this is kinda overlooked, but... You actually do have a choice of browsers on Android. FF Mobile is quite nice.
 
@JourneymanGeek Sure... the plebes :P Seems like a lot of the developer types use Android phones, though... We have Apple everything... laptops, phones, tablets...
 
11:38 PM
@Catija actually lots of devs. OS snobbishness is dumb ;p
(besides, at the end of the day, everything that matters is on the web)
 
The funny thing is that the only thing I really use my phone for is photos and I'm getting really annoyed by the lag of the iPhone camera quality/features.
It wasn't until this recent release of the X that they offered an optical zoom and I don't really think it's much of one. The third-party solutions are... not great. And I find that the image quality in my current iPhone is not as good as I'd like... but I don't want to toss out $1K on a phone just for a camera... and I'd likely have to upgrade to a larger one to get the storage space I need.
 
Sounds like you want a good camera and a cheap phone to offload the photos to...
 
I'm pretty sure if you strap an external lens onto an iPhone X, the case cracks.
 
11:43 PM
I want a good camera that fits in my pocket. I have a Nikon DSLR... I don't want to haul it everywhere.
 
Trade-offs...
 
bigger pockets!
 
Plus three lenses... and a tripod... and a 23 pound child.
 
@Catija on the bright side, eventually you can train the child to carry the camera....
 
When I went to San Francisco and spent all day on my own with Ben I took the camera with me one day and never used it... ditched it for the rest of the week due to weight.
 
11:45 PM
@Catija if I got a proper camera, I was looking at mirrorless ones
but not sure I'd use it enough, and once again, gotta minmax these things ._.
 
@JourneymanGeek Being quiet is nice. The shutter noise is annoying if you're trying to be sneaky.
 
@Catija heh, I have the oddest problem there
My dog hates being photographed and will turn his face, or walk over and push you over.... even with a phone
 
... doesn't your dog weigh like... less than my child?
 
(and the whole money/time paradox I bitch about too much)
@Catija about 20 pounds in your funny american measures.
He's a bit tubby
 
@JourneymanGeek cheap dog
 
11:48 PM
@tchrist actually, if you want to talk about that...
he's literally priceless. Someone left him with us temporarily.... 12 years ago ;p
 
that's "free", not "priceless" :P
 
I used to have a little Canon Elph... it was nice. Pocket-sized, decent quality (for the time, this was a decade ago)... but didn't shoot raw, not much zoom, crap in low light...
 
@JohnDvorak ptato, potahto
@Catija I think they still make em
 
Probably.
 
and yeah, I remember those
PRETTY SURE a modern iphone, samsung Sx or OP has a better sensor/featureset these days ._.
maybe not optics
 
11:52 PM
The problem is that nothing is going to replicate good glass on a DSLR... I don't even have a full-frame one and my crappy photos look better than my best iPhone photos.
 
hah yeah
 
Some will go further and say that the DSLRs still can't compete with film... which may be true but who wants to deal with developing any more.
I'm not trying to blow images up to 4'x5'.
 
@Catija I like mirrorless (in theory) cause they are DSLRs but smaller
and you're probably going to have it easier composing/shooting on a screen anyway
Heard nice things about the sony alpha series, but... once again $$$ :(
 
No.
 
not really properly pocketable I suppose
ya?
 
11:58 PM
Whoops...
No?
 
but maybe I'm kinda too used to crappyish point and shoots ;p
 
3
A: Doesn't Det Arthur Bell know his Nikon camera has LCD display?

CatijaI have no clue whether he "knows it has an LCD" or not. What I can tell you is that photographers generally don't use LCDs when shooting unless they have no choice in the matter due to the angle you're shooting. People used to shooting on phones or point and shoot cameras get really used to sho...

I have an answer for that :P
 
> People used to shooting on phones or point and shoot cameras
lol
 
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