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Journeyman Geek

08:00

besides, with the day I've had I'd flag anything NSFW

Shadow Wizard

@AndrewT. yeah he did, even shared some raw data

Journeyman Geek

;p

Shadow Wizard

@TravisJ so how come the room still alive? I've seen rooms being taken down for less than NSFW...

rene

Oh, I upgraded to the non-autoscroll version of Chrome \o/

Shadow Wizard

(e.g. non-English messages)

@rene ?

Journeyman Geek

08:01

@ShadowWizard assuming it even is

Andrew T.

@rene ergh, just checked help page, and... update pending ._.

Shadow Wizard

> Version 64.0.3261.0 (Official Build) canary (64-bit)

Travis J

@ShadowWizard It has a lot of history, and there is still a lot of on topic stuff in there. There is just a kind of dark undertone to the room now. Many of the users there spawned a slack where they took the most offensive stuff to.

Shadow Wizard

Stable build was causing trouble for me so I switched to Canary

So far really good.

Journeyman Geek

Words rarely heard ;)

Travis J

08:02

@rene "non-autoscroll"?

rene

@ShadowWizard chat doesn't scroll for me anymore. I have to click the scrollbar to see the latest messages. Was a chrome breaking feature IIRC.

Andrew T.

but... non-autoscroll again? should have been fixed before..

Shadow Wizard

@TravisJ oh. Sounds... ominous.

Travis J

Yeah, don't really feel like rehashing any more of it :P

Journeyman Geek

apparently not an issue with vivaldi ;) #hipsterbrowser

Shadow Wizard

08:03

@AndrewT. yup. Reported and fixed by @Oded, it was some ancient plugin that broke when they upgraded jQuery afaik

15

Q: AutoScroll on chat exchange doesn't work in chrome 61

I updated the chrome to version 61, and the auto-scroll stopped working, it is necessary to scroll down the page manually. The problem does not occur in the previous version or in firefox. Also, the reply icon no longer working when the message replied to is not in the current chat page. (Middle...

@rene ^

So you have Chrome 61?

Travis J

I have chrome 61

No problems with scrolling

Andrew T.

I'm on 62 (stable, no bug) and there's update pending though...

Travis J

Version 61.0.3163.100 (Official Build) (64-bit)

I just noticed an update pending as well

dun dun dunnn

"Nearly up to date! Relaunch Google Chrome to finish updating."

Journeyman Geek

needs closevotes meta.stackexchange.com/questions/302950/…

Travis J

It was one of those folding bikes

Shadow Wizard

08:06

@JourneymanGeek now del votes

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard hit it half a second before the chat notification warble ;)

Travis J

amazon.com/gp/product/B00IASZ7QG/…

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 yeah, well, guess the can better stay closed then.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Travis J

This is what I am talking about with regards to the fun aspect.

Journeyman Geek

08:08

@TravisJ hm, maybe?

that's not fun though, thats cluelessness

Its like he thinks its quora or something ;p

Travis J

lol

I was wrong anyway

It is a scooter. He tricked me.

Tricky users get their questions deleted.

Shadow Wizard

@TravisJ well, he's a judge: law.com/njlawjournal/almID/1202473247020/…

Judge can trick anyone. :D

Andrew T.

Now I'm waiting for my folding car

Journeyman Geek

@AndrewT. any car can fold. unfolding it is the tricky part

2

Shadow Wizard

Pearl of Wisdom ^

Travis J

08:11

amazon.com/URB-Black-Label-Electric-Folding/dp/B018X4SUV0

It was that^ I looked, google told me.

Why can't people just google? It confounds me

Shadow Wizard

whoa found MSE spammer

Journeyman Geek

cause googling is hard?

@ShadowWizard link? ;p

Travis J

I googled the phrase
verizon commercial bicycle good meeting
and it was right there

Shadow Wizard

!!/report meta.stackexchange.com/a/302949/152859 meta.stackexchange.com/a/302947/152859

Andrew T.

Surprisingly, googling is hard.

Journeyman Geek

08:13

@ShadowWizard boo. Already flagged.

Shadow Wizard

Yup but two del votes too which is bad, better just cast spam flag

Travis J

Yeah, you missed the superdownvote @ShadowWizard

Shadow Wizard

Anyway that's cross site spammer but I'll leave JNat alone... guess now he's really busy with more important things.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard I think I was one ;p

Shadow Wizard

> If the user has never been banned from reviewing before, the ban will be for 2 days

@bluefeet is this correct? ^

Anonymous editor didn't link to any source

Andrew T.

08:21

our beloved anonymous editor...

Shadow Wizard

Yeah so far I've seen only one single edit rejected for him/her

(I was one of those who rejected)

Travis J

do you ever get writer's block while coding?

Andrew T.

probably not while coding (writing a code), but while solving a trivial issue

(that's not a writer's block?)

I usually put many TODO comments as a placeholder in a function though

Travis J

Yeah, I guess not while implementing. But perhaps like while deciding what the implementation is going to be.

Andrew T.

That? Sadly, yes. I've wasted more time on decicing the implementation (on personal projects though) than implementing it...

Travis J

08:32

Right, at work things tend to be so need based that it is more straightforward

But like, here, I am trying to move forward on this project, and it is kinda a massive undertaking, and sometimes I get stuck figuring out which angle to take when really any angle would do since there is so much to be done.

I named all my servers after star wars planets :P

Shadow Wizard

@SmokeDetector gone

Journeyman Geek

→ 4 messages moved to Chimney

rene

@ShadowWizard I have now 62...

Travis J

Is the scrolling fixed?

rene

09:00

@TravisJ looks like it, yes.

Shadow Wizard

09:23

@rene huh, really weird.

Downgrade to 61 and check again. :D

plz-delete-one-more-needed startup meta.stackexchange.com/questions/302951/… @Trav @rene @Journeyman

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard was the first delvote ;p

Shadow Wizard

Nice!

You can be @Bart's replacement, looks like he's more and more busy these days.... :/

Journeyman Geek

;p

Shadow Wizard

Oh @Bart is your home computer fixed?

@Andrew you don't feel like dead fish anymore, right? Forgot to ask when it happened when you told yesterday.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard he is, what he eats?

rene

09:27

@ShadowWizard gone now

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek huh you missed yesterday's discussion about expired food?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard naw

Shadow Wizard

yesterday, by Andrew T.

On the other hand, I ate this.... fish snack, which probably has expired for whoever knows

Journeyman Geek

I know about the Dubious Cod

rene

@ShadowWizard expired food is food that had been dead but now crawls towards you anyway ...

Journeyman Geek

09:28

yup

Shadow Wizard

:)

Journeyman Geek

need to be rediculously fast to get those spamflags :)

Shadow Wizard

Yeah there are bots involved.

Something with someone with a userscript flagging as spam, then a bot cast another flag.

Andrew T.

@ShadowWizard nah.. I'm more like.. having a bit cold right now (the weather's really bad recently), but not dead fish. It's 2 years ago.

Probably better to stay away from that dubious cod though

Shadow Wizard

@AndrewT. oh lol... thought it's recent. Well, I have constant "light cold", e.g. runny nose. It usually protects me from getting a bad cold. ;)

@rene zombie food?

user202362

09:36

ITT we discuss whether mucus prevents virus from entering your nostrils >_<

user202362

anyone used a drain snake before?

user202362

I have used a electric eel before, but this time want to cheapskate so bought a drain auger instead ...

Travis J

enable a windows feature they said...
it's just a quick reboot they said...

45 minutes later...

Shadow Wizard

lol

45 minutes is the better case, worst case is infinite minutes later aka computer stuck.

user202362

Your complain has been placed in a queue, a tavern staff will attend to you as soon as all other complains have been appeased. Your estimated waiting time is 4623 years, 8 months and 3 days, 4 hours 58 minutes and 12 seconds

Shadow Wizard

09:47

@Telkitty no, mucus has tiny opening where the even tinier viruses can crawl through.

Travis J

Sorry @Telkitty, the only TimeSpan I have installed is weeks. Cannot compute these weird "years", "months" or other vague measurements of time.

Shadow Wizard

Eons?

Travis J

@Telkitty Unless it is attached to a motor, it probably wont do anything.

Shadow Wizard

In 6-8 eons, all the bugs in Stack Exchange will be fixed.

Travis J

Okay, and eons. That was in the expanded Webster lexicon.

Shadow Wizard

09:50

lol

user202362

so there is a blocked drain and 3 pipes connection to it, electric snake kept on getting into the wrong pipe ...

Shadow Wizard

@Telkitty umm... time to call a plumber?

Travis J

Sounds like a personal problem.

Shadow Wizard

?

user202362

didn't I mention cheapskate?

Shadow Wizard

09:51

She's personally attached to her pipes? @Trav

Travis J

Are you on septic?

@ShadowWizard I won't explain my poor taste joke to you! :P

Shadow Wizard

:(

):

that's double sad ^ ^^

Sad from both sides

user202362

why did I seek help here ...

Travis J

lol, but are you on a septic system?

You can use your garden hose on the drain but only if it goes out to the city main

As a slight side note, this could also burst the elbow if the clog has been there for a long time.

Bart

@Telkitty because you think of us as sewage?

bluefeet

09:55

@ShadowWizard I rolled it back.

Travis J

Turns out windows 10 comes with... drumroll... IIS 10 which defaults to asp.net 4.7

Or 3.5. Or nothing! Windows has spoken.

Magisch

Small side rant: Why does the PROFESSIONAL EDITION Windows 10 come with a xbox online store start menu panel and un-removable xbox online program menu shortcut?

Are you trying to make me hate you, microsoft?

Travis J

@Magisch "Unpin from start"?

Magisch

@TravisJ It's still in the program menu

Travis J

Yeah...

Magisch

09:59

What is the xbox live store even doing on my windows 10 pro installation

this is a company pc stop pre-installing your pc games drm on my operating system ffs

especially if the operating system is for corporate users specifically

user202362

Travis J

You must be a playstation kind of gamer :P

@Telkitty Is that what got stuck in your plumbing?

Magisch

@TravisJ I'm most importantly at work when at work

And I don't want to have to do registry hacks to remove non-work related things from work pcs

user202362

@TravisJ this is what I have half domesticated in the backyard - a feral rabbit ... using a couple of apples ...

Travis J

I am not sure what to say. I have never trained a half feral rabbit, nor a full feral rabbit, well, not even a normal rabbit. I would assume that it may need some shots from the vet.

user202362

10:07

@Bart I would never call your sewage ... you know, birds of a feather flock together ...

Magisch

@Telkitty Or you'd call yourself sewage...

Dukeling

@Shog9 I meant you shouldn't force tags into titles just so they're there. If the whole "[question title] in [tag]" thing is canonically encouraged, you might want to give this an edit, although if titles are supposed to be stand-alone, I find myself asking why we even have tags (outside of maybe language tags, maybe) - it doesn't seem like most users would use them at all.

I noticed that the titles you referenced were not in the form "What is a NullPointerException in Java, and how do I fix it?"

Shadow Wizard

@bluefeet cheers, guess we can't blindly trust the Anonymous Editor.

@Magisch it's probably built in the kernel of Windows by now, same as DOS. Deep in the source code, to never be removed.

(and IE)

They never really remove things, that's why each version of Windows is few GB more.

Travis J

Just like the hosts of westworld

Shadow Wizard

I'm 1000% sure Windows 10 source code still contains the full code of the first DOS Microsoft ever written.

Travis J

10:16

And also why IE became so prone to security exploits.

bluefeet

@ShadowWizard can't blindly trust anyone

Travis J

@bluefeet You can visually trust me.

Shadow Wizard

@bluefeet yeah, question is how to notify those who approved?

They're not pingable here.

rene

@ShadowWizard just suspend them. Wait .. let me first check if I approved that ...

Journeyman Geek

@rene especially you ;p

(I think I rejected one of his on my question)

rene

10:26

I know I'm bound to be hit one day by my own stupid suggestions ...

Travis J

I love internet.

Journeyman Geek

I'm fine with spelling/grammar corrections

I just didn't like what felt like a good chunk of my post being rewritten

rene

@TravisJ I don't know. I'm not that passionate about it ...

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard dos is unlikely to be in the kernel

and certainly not dos 1.0 in an unchanged form

dos compatiblility code has been in NTVDM for ages IIRC

oh nvm

Travis J

@rene It is nice to find oddball solutions so easily.

Then again, as I said that the entire computer just turned this odd shade of yellow. Sweet.

Journeyman Geek

10:32

0_0

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek well, usually those edits are good, even if rewriting parts.

Journeyman Geek

night mode?

Travis J

Unsure. Pretty annoyed.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard there's a point at which you need to $gender_up and post yerself.

@TravisJ what OS?

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek it is, of course not accessible in any way, just sitting there, taking up disk space.

Journeyman Geek

10:33

also what sorta video interface?

Travis J

@JourneymanGeek w10 pro

Journeyman Geek

ya, there's a feature called night light that would do that

but there's no reason it should be on

or video cable being screwy

Shadow Wizard

@TravisJ maybe it's sick

Travis J

its a surface pro 4

Journeyman Geek

or your monitor has a CCFL tube that's sick, but...

ya, go to display properties and see if its night light

Travis J

10:34

@ShadowWizard maybe

Shadow Wizard

@rene nope, those were Robert and @Glor(something) :)

(findel?)

Journeyman Geek

ya

rene

@ShadowWizard yeah, I already pinged Glor

Shadow Wizard

Where?

rene

In Charcoal-hQ

Shadow Wizard

10:35

oh

Useful room :D

Travis J

@JourneymanGeek brilliant idea, strange though as night light was off, toggling it removed the yellow tint

rene

sure

Journeyman Geek

hah

Shadow Wizard

Night light?!? lol

Travis J

I swear, this build has been one oddball thing after another

Journeyman Geek

10:37

@TravisJ And this is why they ought to pay me the medium bucks ;p

Travis J

lol

I added a new DWORD in my registry, I wonder if that somehow triggered the nightlight

#baffled

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek Heh

Travis J

It was from this

Journeyman Geek

dosen't smell particularly related

Travis J

inorite

o well, hopefully it is done being odd

I will totally buy you a medium sized portion of liquid if you can travel half way around the world to california

Journeyman Geek

10:43

;p

Travis J

I'm like, afraid to reboot

phew, went for it. success

Journeyman Geek

andd then the surface undergoes unplanned rapid high velocity disassembly

Travis J

Rapid high velocity disassembly triggers:
[✓] Rapid Light Temperature Change
[ ] Cat Sounds
[ ] Garage Door Opener
[ ] Microwave
Yes, it would seem the checkbox for rapid high velocity disassembly was actually checked. You can see it right there.

time for me to undergo planned rapid low velocity sleep

rene

11:29

sd f

alexolut

12:36

trinity

rene

:D

Shadow Wizard

Nice

Bart

13:18

Why is it that in dev you spend the longest amount of time on the most stupid trivial shit?

Shadow Wizard

@Bart 42

Bart

Probably

Like, everything works just fine. I only need to have Log4Net pick up a file path from a property in its config. That works everywhere else, but not in this one app. Grrrr. Should take me 2 minutes. I'm doing this for an hour now.

user202362

Tavern: served 539574 people and their 2974578243 complains

Bart

It's "complaints", so add one for that :p

At least I keep it topical and not sewage related

Magisch

@Bart Why is it that the project I have right now takes more time to document then to actually implement

Bart

13:33

Because your code isn't self-documenting? ;)

Magisch

@Bart No because this is the project doc for my final exam project at the chamber of commerce

And they require a 20 page single spaced size 11 times new roman documentation

If it was just the project itself I'd have been done weeks ago

Bart

Why do they require 20 pages? ... why not just enough to have good documentation?

Magisch

Because this isn't documentation documentation

This is "show us that you can do this one project specific how we like it" type of exam. With diagrams and EPK charts and a detailed amortisation analysis and and and

And scientific citations for best practices and stuff

Bart

God I'm glad Uni is long behind me

Magisch

@Bart This is the final exam for an apprenticeship

rene

13:39

@Bart just add some logging ... oh wait ...

Bart

@rene I will smite you

rene

@Bart have you verified the config is actually used? If you screw that config file completely does it still work? If it does, it really doesn't matter what you enter in the config file ...

Yes, I have been there, done that ...

Bart

@rene Yeah, picks it up just fine. If I hardcode the path in the config file, output is fine and as expected.

rene

Ok, just checking ...

Bart

It's purely this property mechanism they have which doesn't seem to get applied properly

Bart

14:27

flag

vandalism

Shadow Wizard

cataclysm

@Bart debug is the key for success

When you lose that key, bad things happen. :D

Bart

14:43

Myeah, get some weird "NotImplementedException" I don't understand. And the environment it runs under swallows all those exceptions, so I never really see them. Yay

Shadow Wizard

So it's Log4Net's fault.

See?

rene

LOL

Bart

15:09

:'(

Magisch

@Bart welcome to hell. Settle in with the rene flowers

Derpy

15:33

@Magisch and while you are here, please fetch us some of the GIT Developer Guideline manuals.

Shadow Wizard

16:00

@Magisch pretty sure there are no flowers in Hell.

Or, if there are, they look like this:

@rene is white flower. Doesn't fit Hell! :D

Derpy

Lycoris radiata

Lycoris radiata, known as red spider lily, red magic lily, or equinox flower, is a plant in the amaryllis family, Amaryllidaceae, subfamily Amaryllidoideae. Originally from China, Korea and Nepal, it was introduced into Japan and from there to the United States and elsewhere. It is considered naturalized in Seychelles and in the Ryukyu Islands. It flowers in the late summer or autumn, often in response to heavy rainfall. The common name hurricane lily refers to this characteristic, as do other common names, such as resurrection lily; these may be used for the genus as a whole. == Description... ==

> Since these scarlet flowers usually bloom near cemeteries around the autumnal equinox, they are described in Chinese and Japanese translations of the Lotus Sutra as ominous flowers that grow in Diyu (also known as Hell), or Huángquán (Simplified Chinese: 黄泉; Traditional Chinese: 黃泉), and guide the dead into the next reincarnation.

also, remember that that flower name is an anagram of "Serial Murder". No, wait.... wrong Flowey.

rene

WUT?

Derpy

Asriel Dremur => Serial Murder

rene

Ah, I'm not brilliant ~~with anagrams~~

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy so that makes you a Red PY

Andrew T.

16:08

Eww... higanbana :/

Derpy

16:19

@ShadowWizard So... I "Implement support for RED colorspaces conversions and transfer functions."?

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy indeed

Tim Post

18:25

wondering if he wants to commit to paying $27.04 for the next 24 months enough to acquire a Google Pixel 2

Andy

Hey, I'm wondering the same thing. Though, I think I'll avoid the XL

Shog9

@TimPost OnePlus 5t out in a couple weeks. I'd wait for that.

Or buy a 3t used, if you can find one.

Quite a lot of phone for the price

Pixel is nice, but not great value

user160606

18:53

@Shog9 meta.stackexchange.com/questions/302971/…

user160606

that feature request alone would make my experience on beta sites much more tolerable.

canon

man, some people really put in the effort. There's a place in SO heaven for TJ Crowder.

Catija

@Hamlet Can't sites set custom close reasons for their metas? Is there a reason to have it pushed out to every meta?

user160606

@Catija it being a problem on every private beta

user160606

people getting really excited by the new site and trying to fix problems that don't exist

canon

18:58

@TimPost I'm still rocking an iPhone 5c... I waiting for it to be entirely useless and then I'm considering a switch to android.

user160606

And this way I don't have to get into time wasting debates about examples, because it's built into the system.

Catija

... That sounds like a meta post that should be a call to wait for a problem than to fix it before it exists... and then leads to a meta close reason if needed.

user160606

@Catija but why put that time into a meta post when there could be a close reason ready to go

Catija

Because the close reason doesn't explain why it's important.

user160606

@Catija it could link to a page in the documentation (that would also come preloaded on all sites)

Catija

19:25

@Hamlet I don't think that it's something that belongs on all sites. Betas, sure... particularly ones in their infancy... but most full sites don't have to deal with it so proposing it for everyone seems a bit of overkill.

I think it's something that could still be one of the custom close reasons rather than something special applied network wide.

Journeyman Geek

23:12

@TimPost pretty happy with my op3.

also, dosen't the pixel have burn in issues?

Catija

23:26

Everyone seems to be switching to Android. :( Maybe it's just the types of users here, though...

Shog9

Android + money to fix my car vs iPhone + now I'm broke and I have to buy a Mac too?

Catija

Why do you have to buy a Mac?

Shog9

Because Super User outlawed Hackintosh questions

Catija

So you're saying you prefer OSX?

Shog9

Naw. I prefer having the option to modify the software on my phone.

Catija

23:32

So, really it's more of a "I want to buy a Mac, too"? I was thinking you meant something more like "I have to buy an iPhone too, with my Apple Watch"

Which isn't true any more but... was. Because spending obscene amounts of money on a watch and having to have a special phone to use it with is just... normal. :/

If what you were saying about the browser scripting is true, that will be a big bonus for Android.

Journeyman Geek

lol

@Shog9 yeah, we totally did ._.

Shog9

@Catija no.

Journeyman Geek

@Catija pretty sure there's quite a lot of mac users

Shog9

1006

Q: How can I develop for iPhone using a Windows development machine?

Is there any way to tinker with the iPhone SDK on a Windows machine? Are there plans for an iPhone SDK version for Windows? The only other way I can think of doing this is to run a Mac VM image on a VMWare server running on Windows, although I'm not too sure how legal this is.

ios windows osx

TL;Dr: it's sketchy

Journeyman Geek

@Shog9 and fairly unreliable I'm told.

Catija

23:36

@Shog9 Oh, but don't people use things like Corona?

Journeyman Geek

and super super sensitive about hardware

Catija

Or does that still require a mac?

Journeyman Geek

(also, I'd so totally build a hackintosh if I had the space/money. I just wouldn't ask about it on SU ;p)

Shog9

@Catija yeah, this is kinda overlooked, but... You actually do have a choice of browsers on Android. FF Mobile is quite nice.

Catija

@JourneymanGeek Sure... the plebes :P Seems like a lot of the developer types use Android phones, though... We have Apple everything... laptops, phones, tablets...

Journeyman Geek

23:38

@Catija actually lots of devs. OS snobbishness is dumb ;p

(besides, at the end of the day, everything that matters is on the web)

Catija

The funny thing is that the only thing I really use my phone for is photos and I'm getting really annoyed by the lag of the iPhone camera quality/features.

It wasn't until this recent release of the X that they offered an optical zoom and I don't really think it's much of one. The third-party solutions are... not great. And I find that the image quality in my current iPhone is not as good as I'd like... but I don't want to toss out $1K on a phone just for a camera... and I'd likely have to upgrade to a larger one to get the storage space I need.

Journeyman Geek

ya

Shog9

Sounds like you want a good camera and a cheap phone to offload the photos to...

Journeyman Geek

lol

John Dvorak

I'm pretty sure if you strap an external lens onto an iPhone X, the case cracks.

Catija

23:43

I want a good camera that fits in my pocket. I have a Nikon DSLR... I don't want to haul it everywhere.

Shog9

Trade-offs...

Journeyman Geek

bigger pockets!

Catija

Plus three lenses... and a tripod... and a 23 pound child.

Journeyman Geek

@Catija on the bright side, eventually you can train the child to carry the camera....

Catija

When I went to San Francisco and spent all day on my own with Ben I took the camera with me one day and never used it... ditched it for the rest of the week due to weight.

Journeyman Geek

23:45

@Catija if I got a proper camera, I was looking at mirrorless ones

but not sure I'd use it enough, and once again, gotta minmax these things ._.

Catija

@JourneymanGeek Being quiet is nice. The shutter noise is annoying if you're trying to be sneaky.

Journeyman Geek

@Catija heh, I have the oddest problem there

My dog hates being photographed and will turn his face, or walk over and push you over.... even with a phone

Catija

... doesn't your dog weigh like... less than my child?

Journeyman Geek

(and the whole money/time paradox I bitch about too much)

@Catija about 20 pounds in your funny american measures.

He's a bit tubby

tchrist

@JourneymanGeek cheap dog

Journeyman Geek

23:48

@tchrist actually, if you want to talk about that...

he's literally priceless. Someone left him with us temporarily.... 12 years ago ;p

John Dvorak

that's "free", not "priceless" :P

Catija

I used to have a little Canon Elph... it was nice. Pocket-sized, decent quality (for the time, this was a decade ago)... but didn't shoot raw, not much zoom, crap in low light...

Journeyman Geek

@JohnDvorak ptato, potahto

@Catija I think they still make em

Catija

Probably.

Journeyman Geek

and yeah, I remember those

PRETTY SURE a modern iphone, samsung Sx or OP has a better sensor/featureset these days ._.

maybe not optics

Catija

23:52

The problem is that nothing is going to replicate good glass on a DSLR... I don't even have a full-frame one and my crappy photos look better than my best iPhone photos.

Journeyman Geek

hah yeah

Catija

Some will go further and say that the DSLRs still can't compete with film... which may be true but who wants to deal with developing any more.

I'm not trying to blow images up to 4'x5'.

Journeyman Geek

@Catija I like mirrorless (in theory) cause they are DSLRs but smaller

and you're probably going to have it easier composing/shooting on a screen anyway

Heard nice things about the sony alpha series, but... once again $$$ :(

Catija

No.

Journeyman Geek

not really properly pocketable I suppose

ya?

Catija

23:58

Whoops...

No?

Journeyman Geek

but maybe I'm kinda too used to crappyish point and shoots ;p

Catija

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A: Doesn't Det Arthur Bell know his Nikon camera has LCD display?

I have no clue whether he "knows it has an LCD" or not. What I can tell you is that photographers generally don't use LCDs when shooting unless they have no choice in the matter due to the angle you're shooting. People used to shooting on phones or point and shoot cameras get really used to sho...

I have an answer for that :P

Journeyman Geek

> People used to shooting on phones or point and shoot cameras

lol

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