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12:00 AM
css is only terrible because it is describing html.
 
 
and because it has no parent selector
 
Anonymous
CSS is a massively under-powered language.
 
it isn't a language
that is the point
 
user259867
Not this again.
 
Anonymous
12:00 AM
I didn't say programming language.
 
it already has more conditional logic than it should
 
tables are the best
 
lol
html
i'm not talking about THAT kind of front-end
 
user259867
124
Q: Why does it matter that HTML and CSS are not programming languages?

Robert HarveyExample here: What languages should I know if I'm interested in building web applications ? Yes, I understand that HTML and CSS are not Turing-complete. Yes, I understand that they are declarative, not imperative languages. But why are people always clubbed over the head with this pedantic (a...

 
I abuse css every chance I can. but conditional logic has no place in css
 
Anonymous
12:01 AM
Constants are an nasty omission.
 
110
A: Is sending password to user email secure?

PolynomialYou should never send passwords in the clear, nor should you store them in the clear. You should hash them using a slow one-way cryptographic hash such as bcrypt or PBKDF2. If a user forgets their password, you offer them a "reset password" function, which sends a one-time reset link to their acc...

 
I abuse it, but I admit it is an abuse
 
user259867
@SecondRikudo claims to program in CSS...
 
user259867
> Plus I program in PHP, HTML, Java, CSS, And plenty other languages.
 
but it is a description! :P
ahh well. who am I? some freaking lemon.
 
12:02 AM
 
eww
dat text border
 
bleh
what else was i supposed to do
 
future plans include an api, so bots can meme, better fonts... better image support. history, etc.
 
making something all black and freaking large doesn't always help
 
that version was written a long time ago and is limited to google fonts fonts
 
12:03 AM
google fonts are amazing
 
Anonymous
@bjb568 The top answer takes as a premise that email is insecure. I argued that for many users, that's not the case. But I do agree with it that sending one-time login links is better, since those can't be transparently stolen.
 
but no impact :/
 
gmail reads emails on the client side to put in the perfect ad, and we definitely know nothing bad can happen from that
 
use iCloud!
 
^
 
Anonymous
12:06 AM
@TheWobbuffet I'm not sure whether it reads them client-side or server-side, but I don't think either would necessarily be worse.
 
ಠ_ಠ
 
(ಠ_ಠ) (ಠ_ಠ) (ಠ_ಠ) (ಠ_ಠ)
 
Anonymous
12:13 AM
@Mooseman I was trying to photoshop my avatar into that image, but then I realized I was using GIMP and threw up instead.
 
lol
@SmokeDetector "How can I recover data from a Macbook?" - "Here's great software for Windows!"
spam
@SmokeDetector tpu
 
@hichris123 Blacklisted user.
:3308814 Blacklisted user.
 
@bjb568 crispian.... crispbit.... ಠ_ಠ
 
yay >:D
 
12:23 AM
;P
 
@hichris123 already voted :P
 
gah need a better poking machine.
 
@Undo I think I cost myself 2 votes just now by promising free bacon for all for a few minutes.
 
lol
 
12:24 AM
@hichris123 you should just post these all in the election room and ping all the nominees :P
 
I think poking machine 2.0 is better.
@Undo hah
"I'll vote for you if you close this question!"
 
If I miss the cutoff by 2 points, I'm definitely never giving away bacon again.
2
 
@hichris123 voted, can I be a real mod now?
 
@Undo Go find a butterfly.
@JasonC brb I'm removing my upvote for you. I'm a vegetarian.
 
12:27 AM
Found one @hichris123. Now can I be a real mod? :P
 
voted
 
@Undo Ask yourself. Are you worthy?
 
yes.
 
yes
 
12:28 AM
>:D
 
Of course undo gets bacon. He's a good dog!
 
I think @Undo would be a better mod. He doesn't parse HTML with regexes, but @JasonC does.
 
Anonymous
Y'all gonna be shocked when the real election's over and I land in second.
 
My crystal ball said that two days ago.
 
Anonymous
Pity that Stack Overflow mods don't get power over here, any more. :'(
 
12:31 AM
But of course, your fortune changed.
 
I prefer jason over undo.
 
hichris' crystal ball has a very good prediction rate.
 
Anonymous
@hichris123 Do you see anything I could do to regain my fortune?
 
over hichris.
 
@JeremyBanks jQuery, dogs, and unicorns.
 
Anonymous
12:31 AM
@hichris123 Rarely, later, never.
 
... go get a butterfly then.
@Undo 0/0 success rate == ∞! :P
 
Anonymous
Fortunately those are not as extinct here as they've become in Toronto. I shall return!
 
@hichris123 I've never done anything like that.
 
@hichris123 I see a URL being parsed with a regex.
 
12:35 AM
sees nobody complained about my markdown yet
 
You and Ben better leave me alone.
 
sounds like a threat, hmm? :P
 
ah drat, we're even again @JasonC
 
No. I'll reward you if you leave me alone. Do you find presents threatening? Do you kick puppies, too? Jeez.
 
also, it's suddenly hailing here.
 
user259867
12:40 AM
The supreme powers disapprove your nomination.
 
@Undo yay
Why is uni so low?
 
@JasonC Where's my vegetarian course, hmm?
 
Anonymous
Do moths or wasps count? Butterflies were harder to find than I expected.
 
!scores
 
1. Martijn Pieters (40/40): 8408
2. meagar (40/40): 5509
3. Jon Clements (40/40): 4534
4. Matt (40/40): 4051
5. Second Rikudo (40/40): 3917
6. deceze (39/40): 3060
7. Raghav Sood (38/40): 2296
8. Paresh Mayani (38/40): 2187
9. Jeremy Banks (39/40): 2046
10. Jason C (36/40): 1904
11. Undo (30/40): 1902
12. Ed Cottrell (33/40): 1859
13. slugster (37/40): 1699
14. Qantas 94 Heavy (27/40): 1290
15. Andy (29/40): 1025
16. Sergey K. (34/40): 934
17. vcsjones (39/40): 817
18. rekire (37/40): 603
19. Thomas Owens (33/40): 586
 
12:48 AM
How is Shree ahead of Amit?
 
Anonymous
@hichris123 What about flowers?
 
Morning all
 
Anonymous
@hichris123 This is probably a moth (center of frame), but I'm going to call it a butterfly for the sake of this exercise.
 
Anonymous
user image
4
 
1:00 AM
we're tied again
 
@JeremyBanks Yeah, looks like a moth, but nice job!
@AstroCB Amit withdrew.
 
@hichris123 Ah.
 
user259867
Hmm. Doesn't look like spam: mentions three products.
 
user259867
Maybe the problem is with the question.
 
1:04 AM
Did I win the election yet?
 
!!/so2015
 
@yellowantphil Yay for the 2015 Stack Overflow Moderator Election! Election voting begins in 2 days, 18 hours, 49 minutes and 23 seconds.
 
@pizza Looks like a spam candiadate for me, there is no mention of how the software can solve the problem
 
@SmokeDetector meh, most are NAA's
 
user259867
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Q: Can we PLEASE get a definitive answer on what to do with low-quality software recommendation answers?

fixer1234There are numerous Meta posts on software recommendation answers, and the advice on posting them seems to be universal. How to handle low quality ones that have been posted gets murkier by the day. From How to handle low-quality software recommendation answers posted one month ago: Two moderat...

 
1:26 AM
If you're going to -1 me at least accompany it with an answer please — dks209 52 mins ago
Completely logical.
 
and already gone.
 
Anonymous
@jadarnel27 Indeterminate.
 
All closed
 
I'M FLAG BANNED AGAIN!!!
GOD DAMN IT
 
1:37 AM
Whuh?
How come?
 
1:48 AM
Every part of your answer is incorrect. — bjb568 13 secs ago
Do parents not physics at all?
 
NONONONO! This would just piss off all the JS developers that don't want jQuery questions. If you want to answer questions about jQuery, add the jQuery tag, it only takes a second. If we scale this up, most questions about frameworks would have their respective languages tags, just because, when such knowledge isn't actually necessary. Also, all questions tagged with javascript are assumed to want a javascript answer. If you are wondering how bind something to a selector using .bind() API, a JS developer can't help you, since they may not know anything about jQuery nor the API. — Braiam 6 secs ago
 
"may not know anything about jQuery" is a bit of a stretch...
 
I knew jQuery before JS...
so, no, isn't that much
 
@Braiam DD will have broad languages (e.g. javascript covers jQuery, vanilla front-end, node, actionscript) and more specific tags (jquery>events>bubbling)
 
user259867
@Braiam Non sequitur? You knew jQ before JS => some JS developers don't know anything about jQ?
 
1:54 AM
keeps everybody happy, if you don't have a clue about the syntax, you can't answer. But you can be particularly interested in a tag subtree.
remind me later to go thru email and clear the stack
o_o so many mailz
 
Anonymous
Taxonomies...
 
@pizza the opposite is equally valid
 
@Braiam citation-needed
 
I know a little JavaScript and know nothing about jQuery
 
@JanDvorak ^
 
1:56 AM
@JanDvorak is citation
 
user259867
"a JS developer" !== "know a little JavaScript"
 
they are separated skillsets anyways
 
user259867
@SmokeDetector fp
 
@pizza Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.
 
I was halfway good at JavaScript around 1998. I didn’t keep my skills up to date
 
1:57 AM
@JeremyBanks Man, that's what happened last time, too.
 
Anonymous
@Braiam Ideally they should not be.
 
user259867
I read the podcast chat transcript, haven't found anything that looked like content. Did the podcast have any?
 
Apart from mirroring the spaceX stream?
 
Anonymous
@pizza It had fragments of a useful conversation about hiring women in tech. I didn't catch much else.
 
user259867
@JanDvorak I did follow your link to YouTube from there. It seems that was the best part.
 
2:02 AM
@bjb568 O_o
 
@Unihedro Yes indeed. This is how a future moderator should be talking avery day.
It helps weed out the chaff.
 
@JanDvorak Of course, duh. I'd had voted for bjb if they made into the primary.
 
> Are you going to leave? Or do you want me to make you leave?
 
I might have voted for bjb for the comedy value
 
!scores
 
2:05 AM
so much badass
 
.
!scores
 
Anonymous
@yellowantphil I'm not funny enough, eh?
 
@JeremyBanks you’re a plausible candidate. Not as funny as voting for bjb
 
Anonymous
Fair enough.
 
2:12 AM
different website than the last one.
 
What are they selling this time?
 
@JanDvorak white magic
 
!scores
!xkcd status
So unreliable.
 
very xkcd
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website: Administrator in Windows 10 by Helen on superuser.com
 
user259867
2:18 AM
@SmokeDetector tpu
 
@pizza Blacklisted user.
 
@tchrist A few declined flags recently
 
stackexchange.com won't load for me
huh, curling it works
 
@bjb568 traceroute?
 
2:24 AM
I think it's just my ISP being weird.
Loads now.
 
@Andy is Zephyr dead?
 
I've confused myself. If something is moving it has an amount of energy proportional to its mass times its speed, but moving relative to what?
 
relative to the observer
 
oh, so it's all relative and everything is happy
ok
 
relative to any inertial frame
an observer riding a merry-go-round would complicate things
 
2:35 AM
yeah, the observer can't move… oh wait
 
An energy definitely is definable in non-inertial frames
 
and shouldn’t you square the speed?
 
user259867
@yellowantphil Two inertial frames would give different values of energy, though.
 
!xkcd bond
 
@pizza indeed
 
2:35 AM
darn that xkcd bot
 
user259867
 
3:11 AM
@pizza Gone
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: Have the Jehovah's Witnesses predicted the end of the world? by Garrett on christianity.stackexchange.com
 
@SmokeDetector ignore
 
@James Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.
 
@Undo Wow, still tied.
 
user259867
3:27 AM
1
A: Some parting thoughts... and apologies for the drama

Shog9 Makes it hard to be communicative when I am actually being preventing from responding. You asked to discuss this in public, so I obliged. Once that began, neither one of us could put the genie back in the bottle - going back and replying privately after I'd posted publicly didn't really acco...

 
user259867
> Over the past few months, two moderators here on Server Fault have each individually handled more flags than all of the user-moderators combined. There is no other site on Stack Exchange of comparable size where this is the case.
 
user259867
I think that at some points during 2014 Arthur Fischer handled more than half of all flags on Mathematics ... obviously don't have the data.
 
user259867
... actually I do.
 
Is this the point where we throw our hands in the air, start waving them around while shrieking 'DRAMMMAAAA' in a high pitched voice?
 
user259867
3:32 AM
No, the drama is mostly over. I was wondering about the comparison of moderation of SE sites.
 
user259867
Well, in case of Math it was a super-active mod compared to other mods. I see that on SF it's mods vs other users.
 
@pizza that answer is accurate... for flags handled by moderators. But community-handled flags aren't clearly indicated in the moderator tools.
Community is by far the biggest flag handler on Mathematics
And SO. And SU. And AU
 
And a pretty good chunk of smaller sites too
 
3:36 AM
urgh, how do we signal that a question belongs on CodeReview
 
I doubt that needs to be moved to Code Review @James.
 
@James are you sure it belongs there?
 
user259867
@James belongs on X !== off-topic on Y.
 
It's working code, that the user wants feedback on
 
The answer to your question is, flag->other->"please migrate to codereview.stackexchange.com"
But don't do that unless you're 100% certain.
Mods aren't likely to migrate borderline stuff.
 
3:38 AM
I'm very certain. There is no clear problem statement, from what I read the user is certain the code works, they just want feedback to improve it
 
then now you know what to do
 
Thanks Shog
 
!!/so2015
 
@yellowantphil Yay for the 2015 Stack Overflow Moderator Election! Election voting begins in 2 days, 16 hours, 14 minutes and 36 seconds.
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title: 천안오피 면목오피 강남오피 〖밤의전쟁〗 건대오피 by fgjhjh on english.stackexchange.com
 
It's so boring now that the votes have settled down.
 
user259867
3:48 AM
@SmokeDetector tpu it's impressive that you learned Korean
 
@pizza Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.
 
@JasonC you're in the least boring spot on the list
 
@Shog Hey can you give every user 1 extra vote then send out a notification so we can see some more action again?
 
and throw bjb in there
CHAOS!!!
 
It's just a tweak to a config file somewhere, right?
 
user259867
3:50 AM
Actually, the second part is not a bad idea... just remind the voters again, in case they have missed the first notification.
 
Are you implying that the first part is a bad idea? Because it seems totally reasonable to me.
 
user259867
The number of voters is always ridiculously low. Then again, by itself is not a problem.
 
user259867
I do imply that.
 
When you send out this notification, can you accidentally hide @Undo's vote buttons for a few hours?
 
what this election needs is more bjb. don't deny it
 
3:52 AM
everything needs more BJB
2
 
In soviet Russia, the grammar needs more BJB
 
It's kind of interesting to see one person go down the list. People barely spend 5 seconds "evaluating" each candidate.
 
if (name == "Martijn") vote(true); else vote(random());
 
@pizza I'm guessing that Smokey picked up the Unicode characters
 
user259867
@James No, it turns out it has specific Korean characters in his blacklist.
 
user259867
3:58 AM
Raising an alarm over Unicode would be quite excessive; there's plenty of that in the titles on Math, for example (as a result of copy-pasting formulas).
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected, repeating characters in body: Dealing with intense negative emotions by saadboyyy on buddhism.stackexchange.com
 
user259867
@SmokeDetector ignore AAAAAAAHHHHH!
 
@pizza Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.
 
@pizza Site ignored; alerts about it will no longer be read.
 
4:14 AM
@pizza so how to define energy?
Only relative energy to POR exists?
 
POR = point of reference?
 
user259867
@bjb568 Kinetic energy is defined in terms of a chosen reference frame; it's the energy required to bring the object to rest in that frame. It's relative by definition.
 
@bjb568 the stuff that makes up gatorade
 
user259867
To put it simpler: zero kinetic energy = being at rest, but the latter is obviously relative to observer.
 
4:19 AM
Night!
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: How to Gives my skin’s cells a novel property? by ishabalton on drupal.stackexchange.com
 
@pizza kewl
 
Night bjb
 
user259867
blacklist candidate notfornoobs.com
 
||s/novel property/proper novelty/
 
4:20 AM
@JanDvorak [ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: How to Gives my skin’s cells a proper novelty? by ishabalton on drupal.stackexchange.com (source)
 
Based on a few things I see in the star board, it seems as if @bjb568 has become sort of a meme. (Quick! Somebody add it to the "Memes of Meta" post!)
 
bjb is entertaining...
 
user259867
Most starred messages containing: bjb; bjb568
 
user259867
The most-starred one is mine, though it benefited from being pinned.
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: 서면오피𐌡거창오피ᖇ송도오피【밤의전쟁】 by abam1972 on english.stackexchange.com
 
4:30 AM
@SmokeDetector Ooh bad request - 400
 
That question appears epic.
 
user259867
Same here. Deleted the Korean part, same thing.
 
@pizza interesting.. maybe some sort of mod daily limits should be introduced? Like at least 5 times higher than average user though
 
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title, bad keyword in title: 서면오피𐌡거창오피ᖇ송도오피【밤의전쟁】|BAM|WAR. .COM by abam1972 on english.stackexchange.com
 
4:31 AM
Oh, that's a different question.
 
user259867
 
Should we ping an employee?
 
!ping Shog
Awh no bots are working
 
4:32 AM
Uh Yeah, lets ping somebody.
 
user259867
I can't open any of these... tried FF and Chrome.
 
why the HTTP 400?
 
Hey uh @Shog9, you might want to check out the newest english questions
 
I think it's a unicode bug
 
user259867
Opera on Android works. Nope, doesn't either
 
4:34 AM
@Shog9 reports as inappropriate
 
such ugly words from our demigod?
 
user259867
Nov 12 '14 at 3:54, by Shog9
If there's one thing I hate, it's Unicode
3
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Email in body: Filter the diffrent specific string with awk by Karn on unix.stackexchange.com
 
user259867
@SmokeDetector ignore but needs formatting
 
4:36 AM
@pizza Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.
 
maybe somebody should file a bug report: “Korean spam causes HTTP 400”
 
All posts so far seem to have been cleaned
 
one more popped up and got deleted before I could flag it
 
@JanDvorak With our Lord and Savior, @Shog9, anything is possible.
 
I didn't even get to see it
 
4:38 AM
Basically there was some Korean spam filling up most of the front page
and some managed to screw up Shog9's anti-Unicode universe
 
@SantaClaus uh oh, you pinged him while he's busy unspamming
 
@yellowantphil Until the antishog returns from the underworld, it'll be okay.
 
enough blasphemy, you heathens!
spam does appear gone though
 
@Shog9 did you see the HTTP 400 errors?
 
@yellowantphil yes, reported
> dear devs: unicode makes everything suck. Please end it.
 
4:41 AM
you make cat face cry 🐱
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website: Diapers I did lack with wit by q2 amna6 on superuser.com
 
user259867
@SmokeDetector tpu but +1 for the title
 
@pizza Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.
 
What an adorable title, though
 
I was starting to wonder if I was the only person who roomba'd things
 
4:47 AM
I like roombaing closed questions with 1 upvote on answers, they're typically the worst ones
 
I did that a ton until I wondered if I should stop
 
HAMMERTIME!
 
I can never tell if Caprica is a bot or not
 
> I am a bot. Occasionally run by a person, but often just a bot. Don't abuse me and I won't abuse you.
 
it's that "occasionally" that keeps me on my toes
 
user259867
4:48 AM
@SmokeDetector tpu luckily no HTTP 400
 
@pizza Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.
 
outta flags on english.se
 
@Qantas94Heavy ruh roh
 
@SmokeDetector gone
 
4:50 AM
not gone
 
@SmokeDetector tpu
 
@Qantas94Heavy Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.
 
What's with all the korean spam
 
Anonymous
ES6 class syntax has landed in Chrome!!
 
4:51 AM
@SmokeDetector gone
 
Anonymous
Nevermind these magical panes of glass we have in our pockets
 
@JeremyBanks cool. What about arrow functions?
 
Anonymous
this is the true sign that we're living in the future.
 
Anonymous
@JanDvorak Doesn't look like it, yet.
 
Anonymous
And fetch(), already!
 
Anonymous
4:52 AM
fetch('/').then(alert)
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Hunting Down The Best Skin Care Products by Flynn Jack on drupal.stackexchange.com
 
@SmokeDetector tpu
 
@James Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.
 
drupal spam at -3
 
user259867
 
user259867
A mod would be able to go profile -> destroy...
 
user259867
 
Man these spammers are even better than babaji
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: The Book of Enoch by Janet on christianity.stackexchange.com
 
user259867
4:58 AM
@SmokeDetector gone
 
Anonymous
I guess I picked a bad time to jump in without context and start rambling excitedly. Heh.
 
user259867
@JeremyBanks Will ES6 save us from HTTP 400? I'm afraid not.
 

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