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Unihedro

17:08

Maybe an extension I'm using adds it.

Conspicuous Compiler

pb == Privacy Badger maybe?

Mooseman

bug lifehacks.stackexchange.com/a/6587/15

cybermonkey

is my edit justified?

stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/7686284

It gets rid of noise, and the question only asks for VB.NET code so I've removed the C# code (someone added the VB.NET code 5 hours ago, but didn't remove the C# version). Also fixed SPAG.

@SmokeDetector fp

SmokeDetector

@cybermonkey Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

Moshe

Who here hasn't voted for moderator?

SmokeDetector

17:23

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected, repeating words in answer: How do I check the domain name for a Mac? by michael libby on superuser.com

cybermonkey

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@cybermonkey Blacklisted user.

cybermonkey

^go nuke Smokey's find.

user259867

> The feeling when you are seconds from launching a major new feature and important bits of your infrastructure fail. -- Oded Coster at 7:34 AM - 14 Apr 2015 via Twitter

user259867

Intriguing.

Mooseman

17:25

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/23316250/1234256

user259867

> Unexpected yak shave fun this morning, @GABeech and @Nick_Craver wading around in someone else's ruby! -- Shane Madden at 10:20 AM - 14 Apr 2015 via Twitter

user259867

Even more intriguing.

cybermonkey

flagged: stackoverflow.com/questions/23316250/…

Anonymous

@meagar Ohhh, you're at 500px in Toronto? I totally went to their office for a hackathon two years ago.

Anonymous

The only one I've ever attended, actually.

Anonymous

17:37

It seemed like a nice place.

Moshe

I'm in NY and I miss so many hackathons locally. It's insane actually.

meagar

@JeremyBanks It is

But we've moved offices since then

rene

nice roof

meagar

It's a pretty nice office

Provided you like open spaces

It can be a little loud

Moshe

500px is the photography company, right?

Photo hobbyist here. xD

meagar

17:42

Nice!

Yeah, we're a photography-sharing/marketplace site

Moshe

Do all the people there shoot too?

meagar

Nope :p

Moshe

Oh well.

meagar

The vast majority though

Moshe

hehe

meagar

17:43

We have bi-weekly photo contests internally

Moshe

That's awesome.

meagar

But at the end of the day, we hire developers, not photographers

Moshe

of course

So I've got a nature snapshot I'm proud of.

bummi

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/17390301/1699210

Moshe

@meagar I submitted this to CUNY's monthly contest:

Took it with an iPod touch. The bird was sick or something so it didn't fly away.

meagar

17:47

Nice

Pretty good shot from an ipod

Anonymous

@meagar Nice! Reminds me of the Mozilla Toronto offices, but maybe a bit more slick.

Moshe

@meagar That's why I thought it was so cool.

I stopped posting my stuff to Facebook a year ago, and I'm itching to start something again.

Does 500px have an easy way to do a public facing gallery?

Not looking to sell, just post with captions.

meagar

@Moshe You get a public profile

500px.com/meagar

Moshe

Ah, sweet.

meagar

With a paid account you also get a portfolio, something like evgenytchebotarev.com

bummi

17:51

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/643427/1699210 rec

Moshe

That guy has one photo, and it looks like a loading spinner. :p

meagar

Wait, really?

Loads for me

Moshe

Took a while, but it loaded.

meagar

Ehhhh

Moshe

I like the paid portfolio only for the CSS.

Well, without looking too closely.

meagar

17:53

There are a bunch of different portfolio themes, and they're fully customizable

Moshe

What I mean to say is that it's a step up, for sure.

@meagar Oh?

meagar

random examples: jmatz.500px.com gpapapostolou.com

Unihedro

I'm tired so I'm going to sleep, stay safe!

3

Moshe

@meagar That's fantastic.

@Unihedro night

Love that theme!

Unihedro

Thanks for the star ^^

ProgramFOX

17:57

Night!

bummi

Night!

Unihedro

Night!

cybermonkey

Can I have approve votes here? The two who rejected didn't seem to read the edit reason: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/7686284

Conspicuous Compiler

@cybermonkey Honestly, I don't think it's an issue to provide more than what the question asker wants, or to answer likely questions that would bring later Googlers to the page.

Value of an answer is primarily with people who come by it later, not in helping out the original asker.

cybermonkey

@ConspicuousCompiler But the answer didn't provide more than what the OP wanted. The answer provided code in a different language, something that's already frowned upon.

Conspicuous Compiler

18:03

It provided the answer in the language OP wanted and an additional one.

cybermonkey

@ConspicuousCompiler My point is that the question is VB.NET, not C#.

Conspicuous Compiler

I follow you, cybermonkey. I think I just see the edit differently.

cybermonkey

@ConspicuousCompiler The OP wanted VB.NET. The edit five hours ago added the VB.NET code. In my opinion it is not acceptable to edit answers to provide an answer for every programming language available.

Jason C

@xkcdBot It's really interesting to see them sorted that way vs votes.

cybermonkey

This is exactly why I don't do more on Stack Overflow.

Conspicuous Compiler

18:08

I don't mean to be discouraging cybermonkey. I appreciate you making the effort to clean things up.

ProgramFOX

abusive answer philosophy.stackexchange.com/a/23014/10419

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: just installed archbang 32bit on an old (2005) computer and works fine but cant install repositories by Brian Croll on unix.stackexchange.com

Conspicuous Compiler

@SmokeDetector fp

Oh, I need to reply to the post. My bad.

@SmokeDetector fp

Undo

18:36

reject-plz stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/7686797 copied-from code.google.com/p/jintellitype

Dustin

Anyone else really excited that the close votes queue is slowly but steadily getting down to zero? Wouldn't have thought it was possible a year ago.

rene

It is only going down due to the filters applied and the new close vote age-ing regime...

Dustin

Really? That's disappointing.

Here I thought my work meant something

bjb568

R17 is talking about drugs now o_o

rene

@Dustin feel free to join the close vote event here that starts at 20:00 UTC where we clear some tags from the CVQ

bjb568

18:42

I'll join.

rene

Great!

Dustin

Wish I could, but I have to work then. I'll bookmark that chat room though

rene

OK, you're not restricted to the event times but we love people that want to focus at the tags that we publish on the starboard

And that can be asked from Closey

bjb568

@Unihedro (ne) i.imgur.com/ivu7txP.gif

Dustin

Cool, I haven't really done anything active on SO for about a year but I'm trying to get involved again.

rene

18:46

Give it a try and we will see how it goes ;)

user259867

What part of SE is written in Ruby?

user259867

88

Q: Is stackoverflow.com written in Ruby on Rails?

Possible Duplicate: Which tools and technologies build the Stack Exchange Network? I know this is kind of off-topic, but just curious.

rene

@pizza maybe the monitoring or the deployment scripts? Or maybe Nick has a hobby?

user259867

That's how slippery slopes work. First, "be nice". Then "People helped". Next thing you know, you're coding in Ruby instead of C#.

Undo

18:55

@SmokeDetector fp

SmokeDetector

@Undo Registered answer as false positive.

user259867

@rene Doesn't sound like a hobby

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: Relationship between hazard function and survival function in the presence of censoring by Gorg on stats.stackexchange.com

rene

@pizza The marketer told us it is an awesome tool...

I see an avatar active that should be a sleep

Anonymous

Maybe they're working on nicer Stack Exchange / Discourse integration.

user259867

19:10

The Meta profiles got a new big splashy banner.

user259867

Like yours, for example

rene

@JeremyBanks based on this I expect they are debugging gitlab/ldap integration ... which we have done at our shop as well (but not involved in a way to be helpful)

user259867

Punctuation at the end of these long sentences wouldn't be out of place.

user259867

I suppose this banner means the imminent rollout of the profile across the network... or rather, across the LESS/CSS redesigned sites.

rene

19:15

The next user who opens a punctuation bug...

Anonymous

Neat!

rene

@pizza Yeah, but I assume MSE is still first so if we see issues better raise them

user259867

Hm, does this mean I should report the punctuation issue as a bug?

bjb568

@rene Hm… color contrast?

rene

I like blue on blue, what about it?

user259867

19:19

Reported: New Profile banner lacks punctuation at the end of sentences. I decided against creating punctuation tag.

Second Rikudo

@pizza Jeff will hit you with a large S and put you in a comma.

3

user259867

Jeff would never come up with this kind of sugary slogans in the first place.

rene

The floating head arrived at your question, it was nice knowing you...

user259867

My rep on Math is 33339. Someone downvote three of my posts, plz.

user259867

Or failing that, I'll downvote six answers.

rene

19:30

I can provide answers for that

user259867

Luckily there's an abundant supply of those.

Mooseman

0

A: 2015 Moderator Election Q&A - Questionnaire

tl;dr I'll do my best to be a great, community-serving moderator. A question is asked and receives some very good answers. The asker then flags this question and asks for it to be deleted because having it up will cause them trouble at work or school. Do you delete the question? If ...

^^ DONE :D

user259867

We’ll be recording a new SE podcast at 4PM est. Special guest @rla4! Watch live: http://original.livestream.com/stackexchange Chat live: http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/512/se-podcast

Tweeted by StackExchange on April 14, 2015 at 7:17 PM

bjb568

that took a while

will flame comment if find mistake.

Mooseman

@bjb568 :p

Undo

19:43

@JasonC is about to overtake me :)

Jason C

@Undo So, it has come to this.

That gap has been suspensefully hovering between 5 and 10 for like an hour now, lol.

Undo

lol

Jason C

Ed slowed down; prediction fail. I also fell asleep, I wonder how close my 2 hour guess was for Jeremy.

bjb568

@moose comments added

Mooseman

/me debates whether he is thankful for or irritated by @bjb568

bjb568

19:46

:p

user259867

Live podcast during SO election... candidates should think of questions that will plant subliminal hints in the podcast.

bjb568

:p

ᔕᖺᘎᕊ

@pizza How about grammar? Are they related?

Mooseman

in SE Podcast on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 10 mins ago, by Mooseman

Can #Mooseman2015 sponsor today's webcast?

Not subliminal, not why not?

user259867

@ᔕᖺᘎᕊ In the sense that both relate to presentation of posts... but I'd rather have them distinct.

user259867

19:54

Related: Is there one term for grammar, punctuation and spelling?

ᔕᖺᘎᕊ

@pizza fair enough :)

AstroCB

!scores

xkcdBot

1. Martijn Pieters (40/40): 8144
2. meagar (40/40): 5304
3. Jon Clements (40/40): 4365
4. Matt (40/40): 3911
5. Second Rikudo (40/40): 3777
6. deceze (39/40): 2948
7. Raghav Sood (38/40): 2195
8. Paresh Mayani (38/40): 2098
9. Jeremy Banks (39/40): 1931
10. Undo (30/40): 1834
11. Jason C (36/40): 1833
12. Ed Cottrell (33/40): 1788
13. slugster (37/40): 1602
14. Qantas 94 Heavy (27/40): 1219
15. Andy (29/40): 993
16. Sergey K. (34/40): 900
17. vcsjones (39/40): 776
18. rekire (37/40): 578
19. Thomas Owens (33/40): 553

Jan Dvorak

The podcast is now live: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/512/se-podcast

hichris123

Podcast!

Shadow Wizard

20:09

Weblog!

hichris123

Can we please have these announced a few days before hand?

user259867

Graphic Design mod election is over.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: Deny anonymous downloads in AWS S3 by Chad Smith on serverfault.com

user259867

And luckily I have better things to do this time than watching a b0rken podcast.

Jan Dvorak

watching a slightly less borken stream? spacex.com/webcast

SmokeDetector

20:18

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: Bollywood movie No Smoking (2007 film) explanation by Rippy on movies.stackexchange.com

cybermonkey

cv-pls: stackoverflow.com/questions/29636635/… (duplicate)

@SmokeDetector fpu

SmokeDetector

@cybermonkey Registered question as false positive, whitelisted user and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

cybermonkey

@SmokeDetector fpu

SmokeDetector

@cybermonkey Registered answer as false positive and whitelisted user.

Bart

@JanDvorak noooo, don't stop that stream before the landing ... argh

Anonymous

20:48

@hichris123 Partially but not exactly related:

Anonymous

7

Q: Allowing subscription to all scheduled events for a chat room

I'd like to be able to subscribe to notifications of all scheduled events for a chat room. For example, I'd like notification of all events in the SE Podcast Live Chat room without needed to re-register each week or each time it's rescheduled. Listing such users are "registered" would be mislead...

feature-request chat

hichris123

@JeremyBanks Already upvoted. ;P

Anonymous

:P

Mooseman

21:03

I just cast the binding reopen vote on a deleted question. Is that a bug? It remained deleted.

Question: meta.stackoverflow.com/posts/290099/revisions

hichris123

16

Q: Why can I vote to reopen a deleted question?

I've seen How to uninstall completely remove Oracle 11g client?. Voting to undelete will not work because it was deleted by a moderator, but I managed to vote for reopening for some reason. I doubt this is intentional, perhaps not as important, but still.

bug deleted-questions vote-to-reopen

Anonymous

@Mooseman We can vote to re-open it, but no to un-delete it. How about that.

bjb568

hichris123

We should have Happy Hour back.

Mooseman

@JeremyBanks How useful xD

@Unihedro winbeta.org/news/windows-10-enable-early-version-dark-mode

Mooseman

21:33

^^ :'(

hichris123

WE'RE BACK!

Bart

Did you all miss us?

Second Rikudo

@hichris123 Back from where?

Anonymous

SE Podcast

youtube.com/watch?v=GBtTPyvrHNY

Second Rikudo

I see

Looks like the battle for #10 is as tense as ever

AstroCB

21:39

!scores

No?

Second Rikudo

!!scores

AstroCB

!xkcd status

xkcdBot

AstroCB

!scores

xkcdBot

1. Martijn Pieters (40/40): 8282
2. meagar (40/40): 5406
3. Jon Clements (40/40): 4455
4. Matt (40/40): 3980
5. Second Rikudo (40/40): 3856
6. deceze (39/40): 3007
7. Raghav Sood (38/40): 2254
8. Paresh Mayani (38/40): 2146
9. Jeremy Banks (39/40): 1991
10. Undo (30/40): 1876
11. Jason C (36/40): 1873
12. Ed Cottrell (33/40): 1824
13. slugster (37/40): 1650
14. Qantas 94 Heavy (27/40): 1258
15. Andy (29/40): 1009
16. Sergey K. (34/40): 925
17. vcsjones (39/40): 802
18. rekire (37/40): 599
19. Thomas Owens (33/40): 566

Undo

21:40

lol @JasonC is two votes away

... okay, three

hichris123

More unicode coming to you on Windows in M44. :D

cc @bjb568

Mooseman

@xkcdBot I need 1700 socks.

Second Rikudo

@Undo he passed you for a brief moment

Undo

grabs popcorn It's on, @JasonC

AstroCB

!comp 1700 * 150

bjb568

21:42

255000

Bart

@Undo quick, do something. Rescue Timmy from a well or something

AstroCB

!comp 1700 * 149

bjb568

253300

AstroCB

@Mooseman That's quite a bit of rep to gain.

Second Rikudo

I can pretty much reverse this whole situation if I change my upvote on @Undo to a downvote :D

Undo

21:42

I think my next campaign tactic will be to make a sockpuppet with Jason's username and avatar, get 50 rep or whatever it needs, then go to C# and ask for votes >:D

Jason C

@Undo Haha, I know right. I kind of want to add a sound effect everytime somebody crosses the cutoff.

Undo

Oooh, I have a live upvote on Jason's nom too >:D

Jason C

Oh yeah I got one on yours as well. It seems we're at a stalemate.

Mooseman

Maybe I could convince @Shog9 to invert the list and use the bottom 10

Bart

@Mooseman congrats bjb

Jason C

21:44

I just need to find that one magic word I can edit into my nomination post to get a public appeal edge.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: INSERT INTO таблицу поле данные если поле пустое by fosa on ru.stackoverflow.com

bjb568

@hichris123 yay

Bart

@JasonC waffles

hichris123

@bjb568 Here's what will now render correctly on Windows (some already did, but most didn't): gist.github.com/hichris1234/76e53b56179106bf272e

bjb568

gr8

Mooseman

21:51

@hichris123 Weird... Many of the squares render when dragged to the address bar. Chrome 41/Windows.

bjb568

PSA for parents: When you interrupt your child watching a tinny podcast to lecture for an hour about "priorities" and then complain that we're late for some college fair that probably isn't that interesting for me anyway, it's not helpful.

Mooseman

@bjb568 Cya!

!scores

xkcdBot

1. Martijn Pieters (40/40): 8295
2. meagar (40/40): 5420
3. Jon Clements (40/40): 4463
4. Matt (40/40): 3986
5. Second Rikudo (40/40): 3861
6. deceze (39/40): 3013
7. Raghav Sood (38/40): 2259
8. Paresh Mayani (38/40): 2149
9. Jeremy Banks (39/40): 2002
10. Undo (30/40): 1882
11. Jason C (36/40): 1877
12. Ed Cottrell (33/40): 1826
13. slugster (37/40): 1658
14. Qantas 94 Heavy (27/40): 1264
15. Andy (29/40): 1012
16. Sergey K. (34/40): 929
17. vcsjones (39/40): 804
18. rekire (37/40): 602
19. Thomas Owens (33/40): 575

Bart

PSA for @bjb568. Don't PSA your parents.

6

bjb568

@Mooseman … 20m wait for mom to come

hichris123

21:53

@Mooseman yeah... maybe the Omnibox uses Segoe UI? shrug

(these characters all render correctly with Segoe UI Symbol)

Mooseman

@hichris123 The <title> also renders correctly :o

bjb568

wat

Jason C

@Bart All right then. Waits for the votes to come rolling in.

bjb568

these people are ux-perts?

-webkit-overflow-scrolling: touch;

Jason C

The voting activity has really tapered off.

Bart

21:58

@JasonC :D

bjb568

yup

Undo

oooh I'm pulling ahead

hichris123

Quick, more upvotes for @JasonC!

I mean er... what was I saying?

Jason C

@Undo Are the waffles backfiring?

Undo

Maybe.

You should try replacing your nomination with a giant picture of a unicorn

Jason C

22:00

15 hours ago, by Jason C

I am really tempted to change my nomination post to a code dump, an incomplete stack trace, and "URGENT NEED HELP" in bold at the top.

Undo

Sounds like a wonderful way to get votes, O fellow candidate.

Now watch Ed just trot up and bump both of us out while we're fighting for tenth :P

Jason C

Hehe

I should modify the monitor to make it look like Martijn is slowly dropping and @Jeremy is rising to the top.

bjb568

Should I have devdoodle generate a random passphrase rather than having users set their own passwords?

Anonymous

:P

AstroCB

@bjb568 No.

bjb568

22:11

Why?

Undo

because that would be weird.

AstroCB

@bjb568 Because users don't like being forced into things.

bjb568

…

Undo

also, because you would be sending me a password in plaintext

bjb568

@Undo thru HTTPS

and only once

never saved

I could do it clientside too.

AstroCB

22:12

@bjb568 How are you planning on registering that passphrase to the user, then?

bjb568

Yeah, just use it as a substitute for user entering the password in a textbox.

rlemon

I have to deal with auto generated passwords, but I force the client to change it first log in. I also snail mail them some paperwork with the password on it

bjb568

u wot mail?

rlemon

snail mail

physical mail.

bjb568

u WOT MAIL?

rlemon

22:13

||urban snail mail

Caprica Six

@rlemon snail mail Using the regular postal service as opposed to e-mail; suggesting that the service is as slow as a snail.

Second Rikudo

@bjb568 I've seen sites that do that

Andy

Don't engage him @rlemon. He doesn't believe in anything other than his way

Conspicuous Compiler

@riemon Fizzy Cal? That a new protocol from UCB?

Second Rikudo

It's a tough balance to hit

In my eyes, most sites today don't even need to implement a login logic

Just use OpenID or some other service and be done with it.

bjb568

22:15

Meh

rlemon

my problem is accounts are tied to hardware and not users (unfortunate as that is) so I have to generate the account before the product is shipped.

bjb568

Maybe suggest a password?

Undo

c'mon @bjb

Second Rikudo

@bjb568 Shoulder surfing

Andy

@bjb568 WTF?

bjb568

22:15

@Undo What?

rlemon

suggest everyone set their password to "correct horse battery staple"

bjb568

It's like lastpass' generate random password thing.

Undo

@bjb568 someone flagged something, and I've got an idea of who it was.

Apologies if it wasn't you :)

Second Rikudo

@bjb568 The main difference is that LastPass remembers those passwords for you

Andy

Let the user pick their password (or use a third party system). If you are concerned about the strength of a password, find the top X most common passwords and prevent users from picking those

Second Rikudo

22:16

B7Zb0rzgoi!@M!%C

Good luck remembering that

rlemon

@Undo pure guess, andy was flagged?

I miss seeing flags :(

bjb568

@SecondRikudo It would remember it if it was injected into a password field.

rlemon

hahah for what?

being here?

lol

Second Rikudo

@rlemon My bad, the message contained your name

Undo

no, wasn't you.

@rlemon Go get yourself some repz.

Second Rikudo

22:17

Yeah, 'twas Andy

@bjb568 Injected by whom?

bjb568

By JS.

rlemon

I will have to participate in meta more

Second Rikudo

You're implying that someone persistently knows the password in recoverable form, which is a big no-no.

Undo

meta rep is easy compared to SO rep

rlemon

so rep is easy

answer a few hundred questions... sit on it for a bit

watch the rep trickle in

Undo

22:18

no. Not easy :P

SO rep is hard

rlemon

then you're playing the game wrong

sub to jquery and just copy paste the docs all day

rep cap errday

Undo

huh, good idea

:P

Second Rikudo

0

Q: Jquery round number to 1 decimal place

I'm not a javascript programmer, but need to make a change in a script to round the answer from the script below to one decimal place. I've tried various solutions I've found here, but I am clearly doing something wrong as none have worked for me. Script is below, any help is greatly appreciated!...

javascript jquery decimal truncation number-rounding

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: NGINX CORS ISSUE by ritesh on stackoverflow.com

Anonymous

FWIW @bjb568, I do like sites that email me a random password on registration.

Anonymous

22:28

Ensures that the password is recorded somewhere I won't lose, and prevents me from lazily reusing them.

Anonymous

Does rely on your emails being secure, though, which isn't guaranteed.

Jan Dvorak

it also ensures that any man in the middle will see your password

is there even such a thing as SMTPS?

Anonymous

@JanDvorak Most large email servers use encryption in transit these days, so the only middle men are often the service providers. (Not a guarantee, though.)

Jason C

@JeremyBanks I've been finding that reordering lists, bullet points, and paragraphs without changing content seems to be having an effect, although it's hard to correlate, especially now that voter activity has died down.

Second Rikudo

@JeremyBanks That's hardly true.

Very few mail services today use end-to-end encryption.

GMail is just starting to have it

Anonymous

22:31

I didn't say end-to-end; I meant between email servers.

Second Rikudo

@JeremyBanks And an attacker only needs to control/compromise one node on the way...

Anonymous

http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/saferemail/
53% of messages received by gmail users were encrypted in transit.

Anonymous

@SecondRikudo What kind-of node do you mean? My understand of email is very poor, so I could easily be wrong, but my understanding is that these days there should be no intermediate email servers that aren't managed by the sender's service or the receiver's service.

Second Rikudo

@JeremyBanks My understanding is even poorer. But IIRC there are intermediate servers.

Conspicuous Compiler

Wouldn't any servers be visible in the SMTP headers, so we could do a quick emperical check by just viewing the source of messages in our own inboxes right now?

Second Rikudo

22:34

@ConspicuousCompiler Not in 1:30AM we don't

rlemon

my understanding of email and passwords is don't effing do it. ever... better safe than sorry when there are many alternatives to such a system.

I as well don't know much about email besides what I would need to know to set up a basic server... but why throw caution to the wind.

Anonymous

@rlemon Let's distinguish between emailing passwords and storing passwords in email. I acknowledge security concerns with emailing passwords (despite encouraging it above), but I think that storing my passwords in gmail by emailing them to myself is as safe as can be, since it's never in transit and my gmail account controls access to all of my other accounts anyway.

rlemon

@JeremyBanks I personally don't like them stored anywhere. everyone's a crook ;)

Jan Dvorak

@JeremyBanks I take it you're only using HTTPS to access your gmail account?

Anonymous

@ConspicuousCompiler Checked an email I have from UPS. I see only gmail servers, UPS servers, and private IP addresses that are presumably internal to one of their networks. Not sure if that's representative, but it's something.

Conspicuous Compiler

22:40

@JanDvorak You can only grab it via HTTPS now. support.google.com/mail/answer/74765?hl=en

Anonymous

I enabled HTTPS-only for all of my logged-in Google activity as soon as I had the options.

Anonymous

And I use two-factor auth (a physical security key).

Anonymous

@rlemon That is the safest approach. Most of my passwords aren't visible to Google. They do have a backup copy of my password database, but it's encrypted with the longest passphrase I've ever used.

rlemon

best place to keep them? a piece of paper in a fire proof safe

imo

if, of course, you have trouble remembering them

Anonymous

If you don't have trouble remembering some of your passwords, you're either insanely gifted or practicing poor security.

rlemon

22:44

pass phrases that matter, I can remember all four of them

:P

I use google to authenticate almost everything

Undo

All of mine are Horse-battery-staple1, easy to remember

Anonymous

I know that some of my reused passwords are in database leaks floating around on the internet, and that kicked my ass to properly start using different passwords for each service (where Google logins are not an option.)

rlemon

I'm lucky enough to only use (day to day) services that I can use google to auth. (or github)

Undo

I use 1Password, couldn't be happier with it

Anonymous

@Undo I also use it, and am very happy. But I would be happier if Chrome for iOS had extension support so I could use 1Password directly from it, rather than having to switch between apps, or use Safari.

Undo

22:47

I don't use mobile Chrome :)

but yeah they should have extension support

Anonymous

Perhaps Apple's extension API isn't flexible enough to allow arbitrary (non-UIKit, non-WebView) password fields to be supported. Plausibly for security reasons. Hope not, though.

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